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Fullers Pub in Kew Bridge Development

Fullers are building a pub facing the river in front of very expensive apartments. There must be very sensible, responsibleand balance people buying apartments in the development.Businesses will be successful in such a positive environment.

Satvir Sidhu ● 4250d66 Comments

Have you ever visited Brentford, Trudie?

Guy Lambert ● 4232d

Assuming that Kew/Richmond would want to be linked to the concrete towers of Brentford.

Trudie Fuller ● 4233d

"Ferry Quays to Kew Gardens"That was one I was thinking of - there's such a glaring gap between Kew Bridge and the lock that surely something could be provided to link Richmond and Brentford/Isleworth.Oddly enough the thing that gets in the way there is Kew Gardens itself.

Thomas Barry ● 4238d

Ferry Quays to Kew Gardens

David Lawson ● 4238d

"So, if you were given enough money for, say, three or four new pedestrian/cycle bridges in west London, where would you put them?"Personally I'd favour a cable car linking the bandstand in Duke's Meadows to the middle of the nature reserve in Barnes.

Guy Lambert ● 4238d

Not sure we need three or four (I don't personally think need/demand justifies it and I don't like too many bridges over a river away from central London), just one perhaps from Church Street, Isleworth (just before the cars can park facing the river) to the opposite bank ?.

Adam Beamish ● 4238d

"As to whether the pub will do well, few pubs overlooking moving water do poorly"This is true, and why developments like the City Barge and this are good, as they'll grow the whole market, rather than just take share off each other; there's clearly huge demand for riverside drinking and dining.On which note, one problem with riverside pubs is that you can generally only get to them from half the catchment area, as the other side of the river is cut off, unless there's a close enough bridge.  The problem in Brentford and Chiswick is that there's really only one bridge at Kew, and more than a few hundred yards either side of it there's a real severance.So, if you were given enough money for, say, three or four new pedestrian/cycle bridges in west London, where would you put them?

Thomas Barry ● 4238d

For what it's worth, I think this quite a witty name.My guess is that a fair proportion of the dwellings here will have been bought by buy-to-let investors, possibly overseas resident, who could not care less about there being a pub down by the riverside.Those who are buying in their own interest will have to have judged whether the noise etc wafting up on a summer's evening will be to the detriment of their enjoyment of the view, location etc. Clearly most will have bought with their eyes open.As to whether the pub will do well, few pubs overlooking moving water do poorly. The public have a way of finding their way to them. It's not as if you won't be able to see the 'Ait from the bridge. Whether it does well as a gastro-pub depends on the quality of the food, pricing levels, responsiveness to customer trends etc.

Daniel Antony Filson ● 4238d

is an excellent well-established well-run Fuller's Pub right on the river.It is definitely not in Surrey.Brentfordians welcome.

David Giles ● 4240d

I'd say their grasp of geography is matched by their skill in naming.

Guy Lambert ● 4241d

Thanks for the tip off Thomas ..about the Pub's name which, as you indicated, was published on one of Ian Wylie's twittersphere mediums.The "One over the Ait" name seems to have been announced some 2 years ago on the excellent Brentford Dock Residents website.. and again by the Fullers' website.The thread's discussion on the subject was way behind..but however we may be a first with a picture!

Jim Lawes ● 4241d

"(public relations twaddle!)"Not Brentford any more, Jim.  North Kew, innit?

Thomas Barry ● 4241d

Located in Surrey?Richmond?(public relations twaddle!)However that island nearby... the Brentford Ait is located within the Surrey boundary.Perhaps it will the nicknamed the 8.

Jim Lawes ● 4241d

Doesn't really trip off the tongue does it?

Vanessa Smith ● 4241d

It's apparently called the 'One Over The Ait', they were advertising for staff under that name a few weeks ago to prepare for opening in September 2014:http://twicsy.com/i/jeuJqf(via Ian Wylie)

Thomas Barry ● 4241d

It'll probably be some trendy 'right on' name like The Rat and Pillock. How about the King Edward V11 after the bridge????

Vanessa Smith ● 4241d

Don't often agree with David but I like that name or how about "The Layton". Certainly don't want any reference to Kew.

Neil Chippendale ● 4242d

With respect David, it's a bit of a mouthful that suggested name... but who knows.It might become the Kew Boathouse...and many will recall that pub, jazz club and dance venue on the other side of the Thames ..next to the old Kew Fayre!A better picture here of the old Waggon and Horse... and do you remember "The Plough" that was next door on the east side.Yes Kew Boathouse.. it rings well!

Jim Lawes ● 4242d

In reply to Jim Lawes:The Waggon and Horses, a Fuller's pub, stood for many years at 26 Kew Bridge Road.There is a picture on this link: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/23/2359/Waggon_and_Horses/BrentfordHowever, now that the days of wagons and horses are over, and gastro pubs are all the rage, the new pub will probably have a more contemporary name. I would like to propose the Bazalgette in honour of Sir Joseph Bazalgette, the chief engineer of London's Metropolitan Board of Works,  who was responsible for the creation of a sewer network for London which, together with the railways, enabled London to support the greatest population of any city on earth in the late nineteenth-century. Sir Joseph's work is commemorated in the London Museum of Water and Steam across the road.And if that does not appeal, the Bazalgette could be a reference to Sir Joseph Bazalgette's great-great- grandson, Sir Peter Bazalgette, the television producer responsible for such popular programmes as Big Brother, Changing Rooms, Ground Force and Ready, Steady Cook. Sir Peter is currently Chair of Arts Council England.

David Giles ● 4242d

I think this debacle over sarcastic etc etc has arisen because Satvir Sidhu's written English is not that good - my foreign linguistic skills are totally lacking so I'm NOT being racist but just factual - and I feel this misunderstanding has arisen because it is a misreading of the written word.  SS is obviously very keen to encourage more people into the Brentford restaurant and to the planned riverside pub but has expressed this keenness in a somewhat clumsy manner.  I intend him no harm or hurt.

Trudie Fuller ● 4247d

Well spotted Guy!!Now here is an illustration on the Internet of the planned Fullers Riverside Gastro Pub at the Kew Bridge development.I wonder what it will be called? "The Horseferry" after the name of the Boathouse that used to be there on the shoreline.Or something more Brentford?

Jim Lawes ● 4247d

Would it be a 'self portrait' otherwise?

Keith Iddon ● 4247d

Did you paint that self-portrait yourself, Jim?

Guy Lambert ● 4247d

"Well, Satvir, unfortunately there are some very nice and polite people on this forum. Vanessa is one of them. She used to have certain relation with the powers of Brentford at the end of the day. ... there are reasons for Brentford to be what it is..."God almighty! Another post that just doesn't make any sense, what's all this rubbish about "Certain relation with the powers of Brentford"???, Absolute piffle, please people can we write in proper sentences not in obtuse riddles.

Vanessa Smith ● 4247d

You didn't recognise him? Here's an enlarged version.

Jim Lawes ● 4247d

Celebrities at Poppadoms, Ferry Lane, Brentford?I seem to recall Mrs Ann Keen spending an evening there raising funds for the local Labour Party with the help of celebrity jester John Prescott.

Jim Lawes ● 4247d

Hi Satvir  - I don't know of any 'club'. This is just a public forum where people comment or try to help each other or update on news in the area. I don't know Adam or Keith or Trudie or anyone else who has contributed from a bar of soap. I merely made the observation that your reply to Trudie seemed a tad sarcastic. If I was wrong I apologise but I believe you concede that your sarcasm was intentional because you interpreted her post as sarcastic? Perhaps it was - but I really didn't read it that way.

Steve Taylor ● 4247d

'Some sort of club members...'...explain please. It's the first I've heard of any 'club'.What, exactly, will your 'friend' be checking for Satvir?

Keith Iddon ● 4247d

I have noticed the sarcastically in her both massages but I suppose you have not noticed it because she is your buddy.As matter fact most people written here are some sort of same club members or round table buddies or if I further analyse most peoples remarks, I can't help thinking to be more deep rooted than what it seems....  towards me. I will get it checked by a friend.

Satvir Sidhu ● 4247d

All very interesting Satvir but not sure why you feel driven to be so sarcastic with Trudie?

Steve Taylor ● 4247d

May be you should go and check the photographs on the walls of Pappdums.May be you don't know about Sky studios exist in Brentford, which brings a flow of industry related people to the area!You wouldn't know either that " New Tricks" drama was partly filmed in Pappadums and the apartment above in 2004/2005!!!Several other film shootings have taken place in Ferry Quays deveopment in past 10 years.You wouldn't know that ITV 4 is shooting 24 at the moment in the empty Gillete building and many more has been shot there in the last few years.Couple of famous stars live in Kew and Richmond, who visited Pappadums in the past.End of the day they are all humanbeings need to eat and drink to survive, while working in the area.

Satvir Sidhu ● 4247d

Golly Film Stars and in Brentford of all places - who'd have thought!  Can you name them?  Wonder if they'll be at the new Fullers pub rubbing shoulders with the footie fans on match days?

Trudie Fuller ● 4248d

"Fullers are building a pub facing the river in front of very expensive apartments. There must be very sensible, responsibleand balance people buying apartments in the development.Businesses will be successful in such a positive environment."What  exactly are you trying to say here?  Do you mean that everyone buying a flat in this development has done so because of the pub?  You also say they are  "sensible, responsible, balanced and wealthy people".  How do you know?

Trudie Fuller ● 4248d

There was nothing backhanded to my remarks about Kew Bridge development.I went to see a apartment there and I was told about the pub. Hence my remarks that people are happy to buy knowing. I expect they told every buyer. Your remarks about the Papadums are not correct. Yes we bought 2 units in 2003 and converted them into one with the permission of the original freeholder without any hassle. There were no objections from anyone at all. It had inhanced the sales of flats for the freeholder. But we sold it in 2005. It was set up as a destination restaurant, where filmstars and other restaurant owners came to dine. It has changed hands again recently. Thats the only restaurant still doing reasonably well in the area. It will do well under the new management  compare to the previous owner. Ken Nothing to hide about it.

Satvir Sidhu ● 4248d

Which rather goes back to my initial comment about how it isn't like the residents/occupiers of the new development had any say in the provision of the pub, given that it was part of the planning application.The acid test, as such, in terms of the relationship between residents and the pub will come once the development is completed and the residential units fully occupied and the pub is open, but as Satvir rightly says no resident who moves in should complain about the existence of the pub if they've done their homework before purchasing/moving in.To be honest I initially thought Satvir's opening post was meant in a sarcastic manner, querying who would spend hundreds of thousands on a new property next to a pub, hence why I said I didn't really understand his post.

Adam Beamish ● 4248d

For what it is worth my take is that Satvir was backhandedly complementing the Kew Bridge development residents for agreeing to a pub in their midstOn the other hand residents in Ferry Quays objected when Pappadums, had to obtain  retrospective planning permission to knock 4 units into one to create their restaurant. Satvir should  declare an interest in the ownership of the latter

Ken Collins ● 4248d

"I have to admit that unfortunately I couldn't quite understand the original Satvir's post either :("Me neither!

Steve Taylor ● 4248d

Me either.I've heard of starting a fight in an empty pub but starting one in a pub that's not even open yet must be some kind of record!

Guy Lambert ● 4248d

I have to admit that unfortunately I couldn't quite understand the original Satvir's post either :( .

Alex Shpinkov ● 4248d

Well, Satvir, unfortunately there are some very nice and polite people on this forum. Vanessa is one of them. She used to have certain relation with the powers of Brentford at the end of the day. ... there are reasons for Brentford to be what it is...

Alex Shpinkov ● 4248d

My balance to life ?! - I could ask you the very same question  , all I did on this thread was say that I didn't understand your initial point, I wasn't critical, rude or in any way unreasonable.In response you've accused me of in some way "attacking" you, gone on about how I've got some kind of problem, it is remarkable and completely bizarre, particularly as you've posted before and been completely 'normal'.Anyhow we'll leave it there, no point trying to reason with you.

Adam Beamish ● 4248d

Adam I am very surprised at what you are writing if you are someone experienced and knowledgable about the area's planningapplications.I didn't come back to you to dictate what you should wirte and shouldn't wirte on this froum.It is a public forum. You read if you like and don't read if you don't like or leave it alone if it is not any interest to you.There was no personal attack on to you or anyone else.Your latest write up is tasteless and damn rude and personal attack for particularly non controversial subject.Where is your balance approach to life gone??? You are just attacking with words without any reason.I don't feel that i need to ackonwledge that i was unreasonable in bringing an awareness about a pub in a development!

Satvir Sidhu ● 4248d

Firstly i will never be a mate with any idiot.What do you think, you are my school teacher, who is going to teach me what i write on a public forum. You can't dictate people, if you don't like then don't read and specially if you can't understand.. My massage made lot more sense than your rage massage on the forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I did not offend anybody or swore at anyone. Those were my views and were not directed at any operson.

Satvir Sidhu ● 4248d

Satvir,The type of beer being served in the pub wasn't/isn't exactly relevant to the point you were making though is it ?.At least three posters on this relatively short thread have said, in perfectly polite language, in a reasonable manner and not in a critical way, that they didn't understand your original post.Your responses have been odd, bizarre, poorly written and outright rude, which is even more stranger bearing in mind this isn't a particularly controversial thread/subject and there's considerable agreement between the posters - hence my continued bemusement at your repeated use of the phrase "what's your problem ?".To me, any reasonable individual in your shoes would review this thread and think "actually I'm being unreasonable and I should take back what I said", in the same way that on another thread earlier today I acknowledged that had I known the full circumstances which led to the initial post I wouldn't have responded in the unreasonably critical way I did.  It's a shame you haven't done the same.

Adam Beamish ● 4248d

Wonder why Satvir singled out Vanessa? . . .  Big mistake . . Huge! ;-)

Sarah Felstead ● 4248d

No Mate - you're an idiot - try writing what you mean to say instead of gobbledegook and then getting bolshie when people say they don't know what you're on about! You are exceptionally rude and clearly have a problem with the written word.

Vanessa Smith ● 4248d

I wonder what is your problem Vanessa? You are just blindlywriting statements?What do you mean by " all sorts" !!You can see how many people have taken interest in right way about the new pub opening nearby and typ  beer etc.Your remarks are meaningless or you are trying to add fuel to non existance fire.Ha ha ha..........................

Satvir Sidhu ● 4248d

It's good a new pub is opening and it's a Fullers, as I'm a very very very very small shareholder. I loved London Pride when I could drink beer.

Neil Chippendale ● 4249d

The developers had planned having a Pub there from the very beginning..and Fullers were mentioned at a launch presentation I attended.The detached Marketing Suite was to demolished and the Pub erected..together with a public piazza. Brentford FC fans and visiting teams will have a ball!

Jim Lawes ● 4249d

I am not a great fan of that style of beer and preferred Young's before it was ruined by Charles Wells. Don't mind a pint of Chiswick bitter but Fuller's pubs are always expensive. Twickenham Brewery or Windsor and Eton have a far better range if you are talking local(ish) brewers imo.

Keith Iddon ● 4249d

I also like to have variety and choice but if I haven't got it a pint of Pride certainly does the trick for me.

Steve Taylor ● 4249d

I prefer greater variety and choice.

Keith Iddon ● 4249d

Well,  I love London Pride

Steve Taylor ● 4249d

For what it's worth - like Adam I really couldn't work out what the original post was about apart from there's a new pub, not sure why Satvir is so sniffy, hey ho! it takes all sorts.

Vanessa Smith ● 4249d

Satvir, you seem to have some kind of 'problem' with me judging by the content of parts of your responses on this thread, we're just having a normal discussion, why the hostility ?

Adam Beamish ● 4249d

I think there are more than enough Fuller's pubs in Brentford as it is, at least one of which would appear to be dying on its arse.

Keith Iddon ● 4249d

It is at the river bank behind the blocks of the Sainsbury, which is facing the main road. Fullers have gone far the river view setting.Yes extactly like Ferry Quays, Can't depend on much passing/ footfall trade but attract people for convenience with good food and service, as you rightly mentioned about Pappadums survival.I don't really care what you think Adam. You have your opinion and i have mine from experience.It would be great though if a walking bridge is built over the river to connect to Kew Green side of the river walkways!!!

Satvir Sidhu ● 4249d

"the vast majority of trade will be from passers by, due to the prominent location of the pub."Not sure precisely where it will be but if as I suspect it will be hidden away on the river side of the development, away from roads, I think it will find it difficult to attract passing trade - because very little passes. Seems likely to be similar to Ferry Quays, where only Pappadums has had any longevity (though we hope for the best with Galata Pera)If we ever get the Brentford riverside more connected a la Strand on the Green there will be better prospects all round

Guy Lambert ● 4249d

Regardless of any confusion/lack of understanding, going back to my original response, I don't think this demonstrates that people are buying with an open mind.After all the pub is going to be delivered as part of the approved scheme as proposed by the developers, rather than because any future occupiers have specifically asked for it.  There's always going to be some people who are willing to compromise, some others who aren't, some people who might think living near a pub is a positive, others who think of it as a negative.  And, as you say, others who will move in and then start complaining about the existence of the pub.Additionally I doubt the success of the pub will be in any way dependent upon its patronage by occupiers of the development, and the vast majority of trade will be from passers by, due to the prominent location of the pub.

Adam Beamish ● 4249d

I thought my post was clear enough for anyone's understanding as follows:- Firstly it was about bringing awareness to everyone secondly it was that people are buying there with open mind and thirdly it was about the business itself that it will be successful because people moving in the development looking at it as positive addition for entertainment. I am glad you now understand it.

Satvir Sidhu ● 4249d

Really pleased to see that Fullers will be opening a new pub on the site.  Great to be able to support a local brewery and successful local business.

Paul Scullion ● 4249d

Of course you didn't attack anyone, Adam. The OP was not at all clear about what point he was supposed to be making.

Susan Kelly ● 4249d

Sorry ? - "decided to attack" ?! - now I'm completely lost as to why anyone would interpret my post in that way, it certainly wasn't intended in that way and nor reading it word for word is it is any way critical/aggressive or such like.Believe me if I want to make such a post I'll be entirely direct about it (e.g. my criticism of the guy on the other thread about construction workers drinking at lunchtime).I merely said that I didn't understand what was the point you were making in your post, hoping that you'd clarify for the benefit of anyone reading the thread.  Now you have done I would completely agree with you, but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised if some purchasers don't do their homework.

Adam Beamish ● 4249d

Shame it will be a Fuller's outlet imo.

Keith Iddon ● 4250d

Exactly my point, which you didn't understand and decided to attack in your massage. I don't know what is your problem?I have no complaints about it for from it. I don't understand the mentality of other people who start to complain after choosing where to buy about the existing businesses in the vacinity or under their flats.People are buying in the development knowing that there is a pub facilty being built for their enjoyment.

Satvir Sidhu ● 4250d

I don't understand the supposed 'link' between the provision of the pub as part of the development and the purchasers of the apartments within the development.The provision of the pub was a key part of the planning approval as a mixed use scheme and reflected the previous public houses that stood on the site.Whether or not someone would want to buy an apartment close to a public house is a matter of individual judgement, in the same way a potential purchaser would need to consider the impact of the proximity of the key road junction at the bottom of Kew Bridge.I don't really get your point I'm afraid.

Adam Beamish ● 4250d

Where exactly?

Anthony Waller ● 4250d