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ICG to contest in General Election

THE COMMUNITY Group has announced that it will be contesting Brentford & Isleworth constituency in the General Election if, as expected, it takes place this year. In the light of recent revelations about the sitting MP Ann Keen, as well as the deplorable tactic adopted by her campaign team of shamelessly trying to take the credit for the work of others in our community, the ICG would be failing in its duty if it did not do something positive towards seeking her removal, and her replacement by a local MP who will reintroduce decent ethical values into local politics as well as empowering local people and helping them to become more involved in the decision-making process. Naturally the first part of this process will be to choose a candidate. To this end we will be holding a Selection Meeting this Friday, 11th February 2005 at Isleworth Public Hall. All ICG members are encouraged to attend and to take part in this very important event which will decide who will represent the organised community in the big battle ahead. Whilst we acknowledge that only in exceptional cases do independents win parliamentary elections and will not be making any rash predictions, be assured that whoever we select to be our candidate will not be in this contest to make up the numbers. We are fighting to win. Any member of the ICG who is over 21 years of age and registered to vote in the UK may put himself or herself forward for nomination. Anybody wishing to do so should contact us on 020 8891 6359 or at icg@isleworth.org not later than noon on Thursday, February 10th. Please do everything you can to help us to achieve what would be a truly historic victory over the politicians at the polls.

Paul Fisher ● 7666d50 Comments

'Smaller classes give a closer unit and more manageable chances for children to form relationships properly with teachers as they learn,which is an important part of the teaching process'...evidence please.    Not sure what 'relationships'need to be formed between teachers and kids,except for one to educate and inform in a sensitive and firm way,and the other to listen,enquire and behave. Teachers have been put in an invidious position,having all their disciplinary powers taken away or undermined.They have to teach some kids in their classes who would have been removed 30 years ago so that the others could get on with their education. I am not in any way expecting teachers to 'change the ills of society'.I do think that the regimes inside schools could be changed so that the could,broadly speaking,send out the message 'Poor behaviour and ill-discpline may be the norm for you outside school hours,but it will not be the norm inside school.If you do not conform to this ,there are serious consequences for you 'or words to that effect.In this way,possibly,giving some kids some boundaries that mean something and not going too soft on them,may well help their parents to carry that on at home. I wouldn't feel like this if the liberalisation and informalisation of education had worked,ie:produced better educated and behaved children(it hasn't and there is plenty of evidence) who had a solid foundation of knowledge from which to start an adult life in the workplace.    Wouldn't want to agree with you on everything, eh?

Keith Iddon ● 7664d

SarahYou have used the word "party" four times.  Usually our opponents do that in an attempt to wind us up, because we do not consider ourselves to be a political party even if government legislation has effectively compelled us to register as one.We see ourselves as a vehicle through which the everyday public can make itself heard without having to subscribe to a particular political discipline.  Anybody who has a commitment to the well-being and enhancement of our community life can join, there are no restrictions as there are with political parties.  For instance, were you a paid-up member of the Labour or Conservative party you could still join the ICG.  You would of course be thrown out of your party if they found out, but what I am saying is it wouldn't be an issue with us.As councillors we speak for the community at the council, not for the council or a particular political party in the community.  As such when a constituent approaches me with an issue I don't have to assess whether or not it conforms to The Official Party Line before I can take it up.An independent MP elected on a community ticket would do the same.  He/she would never be a member of the Cabinet nor of the Shadow Cabinet and, like any MP in opposition, would not be in a position to influence government policy.  However, like any opposition MP he/she would have a vote and, unlike any opposition MP, would be free to use it as considered fit.  The community MP would likewise be free to speak out publicly on any issue and, being something of a novelty, would probably be in a better position to bring publicity to a particular issue than would yer average common or garden backbancher.In short, in a community MP the community would have one of its own, whom it could be confident it could trust because there is clearly no ulterior motive or party political agenda to be purused.  The solitary community MP would never be able to progress any higher on the political ladder, and so voters would be reassured that there is no question of him or her simply using them to further a political career.  What you see is, self-evidently, what you get.Of course the selected candidate would have views of his/her own on major national or international issues just like anybody else, but he/she will never be in a position to use parliament as a vehicle for pursuing them against the wishes of his/her constituents.  Doubtless the politicians will try during the campaign to steer us into a detailed discussion of these major issues which we will never be in a position to influence, in an attempt to portray us as just another political party.  But I believe we are far more than that, and that this will become apparent to more and more people during the course of the campaign.This is why I believe you should vote for our candidate.  If you wish to be that candidate then you qualify in your capacity as a member of the community, just as a member of (say) the Labour Party would qualify to stand for that party by being a member of that party.  The Labour candidate is there for the Labour Party, the community candidate is there for the community.  We do, of course, have a close-off point for nominations, which the committee has decided is noon this Thursday.  We need to prepare ballot papers and the agenda for the selection meeting.  So, if you fancy it....This, then, is why I believe you should vote for your community candidate at the forthcoming general election.  There are a number of reasons I could give as to why I think you should not vote for our opponents, but in the spirit of your posting I will try to keep this positive.

Phil Andrews ● 7665d

DanLike everybody else you are entitled to your opinion but I suspect you will be hopelessly wide of the mark by suggesting that the Greens or even the Lib Dems would pick up the bulk of disillusioned Labour voters ahead of the ICG.Different considerations do of course come into play when people make their decisions as to who to vote for in a general election as opposed to the locals.  However the locals do give us some indication of the respective strengths and weaknesses of the various groups and parties concerned.At the locals in 2002 the Lib Dems contested eight out of the ten seats in the constituency and came third in all of them, except for Isleworth and Hounslow South where they came fourth.  The Greens fielded only one or two candidates and they came nowhere.  The ICG, by contrast, won three seats in Isleworth by a large majority, came a very close second in Syon and beat the Lib Dems in our first ever foray into Hounslow South.  A few months later there was a by-election in Hounslow South where we pushed the Conservatives into third place in what had been their own seat, and only narrowly failed to win the seat due to a smart Labour campaign.In the run-up to that by-election one David Giles of W4, like your good self, was making predictions.  His confident proclamation that the ICG would finish a poor fourth behind the Liberal Democrats earned him the nickname Nostradamus, and he has declined to engage us in debate ever since.Be warned Dan, your credibility is at stake. ;-)

Phil Andrews ● 7665d

Only agree, with some?  … Keith, I am slipping!  Puhleese!It occurs that if we were expecting the schools and teachers to pick up and change the ills of society, including parental support, that surely we have to change the way the schools operate?  Change their opening times, make them the hub-ub of the community, teenage clubs even? and GIVE THEM THE SUPPORT SERVICES required to run this new style operation?  Smaller classes gives a closer unit and more manageable chances for children to form relationships properly with their teachers as they learn, which is an important part of the Teaching process?I personally find it very difficult to believe that we are passing up on the opportunity of using the Brunel site for continuing education in the West of London?  I understand that there are covenants attached to the land for education based use, before any other use.  It appears we are allowing the developers to make considerable profit, yet there is an opportunity to shake the West’s education up and make it into a 6th form college, and free up valuable space within all the other schools, which is going to be needed anyway, because of the influx of people with all the other high density housing?  The local people don't want more housing on the site, and Brunel University knew that they were taking on a restricted use property, when they expanded into it in the first place?What would the people of French France make of it, do you think?The other thing is the teenagers relationship with the Police.  Where do they formulate their ideas and relationships with the Police nowadays?  A large number of the children around here come from backgrounds where there is no respect for, nor understanding of how the Police operate?    Some people come from societies where there is a total fear of the Police?  So do you re-enforce positive impressions and relationships to support our police service too?  Attaching them to schools in a non threatening way  to mix with the kids and parents through them, might be one way.

Sarah Felstead ● 7665d

The national press and media have been suggesting that a General Election is to be held on 5th May. One wonders what might happen..and what will be the main issues that the Electorate will focus on. Will the Iraqi War involvement have more "weight" than say immigration. Will the usual topics of the NHS or Education dominate the headlines? Will it be the ongoing Crime and personal safety issues? Will it be our relationship with Europe? or Poverty in the third world.  Notably industrial relations hardly hits the headlines these days.  Or will it just be personal battle between Tony Blair, Michael Howard and Charles Kennedy.Possibly the Labour Government will continue to hold office...and maybe with a reduced majority.  But what of the local scene?Labour have currently a substantial majority in this constituency of Chiswick, Brentford, Isleworth (and parts of Hounslow??) and there would need to be a major local swing for Labour to lose its Westminster seat...but that's not an impossibility.The entry of the Community Group into the battle..if that what its going to be..raises interesting points. Are they no-hopers?  What are they hoping to achieve? The fact that at the last Local Election they won three seats on the Council..(removing three Labour Councillors??) suggests that those voters who voted against Labour then..will now feel that they they can do so again in the General Election.  Many Isleworth people in these three wards were previously,perhaps, traditionally Labour supporters..but they gave their votes to Community for some good reason.Although I have never met Mrs Keen, nor have followed her activities too closely..one has noted in the media and on these Forums that a large number of Chiswickians, Brentfordians,Isleworthians and others are not happy with the Lady.  It is not questions of policy that seem to upset many....but the lack of seeming friendliness,liaison-ness, I'll keep in touch with you all-ness. No blog website like other Labour MP's elsewhere  I've even heard of Labour Councillors ..wondering.So maybe, traditional Labour voters in Chiswick,Brentford and Isleworth are unhappy too..and rather than give their vote to the Conservatives..they may go "neutral"..vote for the  Community Group...thus reducing the local Labour vote...and cause a disturbance. (maybe letting in the Conservative Candidate..or Lib Dem).These are just my pencilled unenlightened scrogglings.. what do you think?

Jim Lawes ● 7665d

So why would somebody want to get involved in Politics anyway?  It occurs to me that it is a very strange venture.Is it something you go into with the view that it is a fast track to fame, glory and the biggest stamp budget you can draw zeros, behind?On the news today, a group of MPs are ballyhooing about being able to quiz The Prince of Wales’s people about his expenses.  I don’t need to know how much his nail clippers are, but it appears that somebody is making political gain out of being given access to this sort of questioning, if they weren’t it would probably be done more discreetly?Would somebody explain whether this same group are then moving on to MP’s expenses?  (or are we supposed to have forgotten about that?)  If so, can we, US, the public, pose questions or help them set up the questionnaire, so that they sort out what facts are really relevant?Bloody nuisance these  voters who want to know what is going on?  Maybe we want to know because it occurs to us that you are not exactly modernising and moving UK PLC on!In the headlines it appears that immigration is suddenly important.  Not because it is, and has been, an important issue, but because unless somebody says the things that people want to hear, they are likely to stay at home and not even bother to vote this year?Why bother coming out to vote and take a part in a democratic (?) ... con?It appears to be all about promises and not action!The Conservatives spent so long apologising for their existence that I can’t remember what they did, when they were in Government.  I keep being told of all the negative things, but I find all this process very strange.I remember sitting in meetings with highly-labour-political-types, and hearing them all mocking the Conservatives.  (It was a regular occurrence, like the belittling of Ann Keen at every opportunity these days.)  There was a similar little speech-type comment followed by a ‘we’re in the know’ type-giggle around the room on a regular basis.After the change to Labour and Labour were proposing similar ideas, they sort of grunted and shuffled their papers around and asked if anyone had a spare pen,  because theirs had run out.All very peculiar to a person such as moi.Education rears it head, not in response to desperate cries from Parents and Teachers appealing for help, but because it will be a threat to votes if somebody doesn’t include it.Bloody hell! What a waste of time and peoples lives – you know, the children who have had to go through it because their parents can’t afford to move them into private schools.  A short cut might be to see what the private schools offer and translate some of that backwards (class sizes, choice of subjects and choice of type of school being highly significant here) – or is that why so many MP’s have their children in the ‘other’ sector for education ? They are really on fact finding missions to feed their findings back into the state sector?  In which case is their Children’s education on the expense budget, too?What a load of cobblers.

Sarah Felstead ● 7665d