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Horse Play in Isleworth?

There has been much comment on various threads about the leasing of a public amenity in Northcote Avenue, Isleworth, to a private individual for the grazing of horses without, it would appear, any kind of prior consultation with erstwhile users or local residents.Following on from said comment I decided to take a look for myself at what little documented evidence there is available around this decision.The document which refers can be viewed at http://democraticservices.hounslow.gov.uk/documents/s109338/CO%20Grazing%20licence%20Northcote%20Ave.pdfAccording to this "Chief Officer Delegated Approval" - signed by Hounslow's Director of Regeneration, Economic Development and Environment - the grazing licence was agreed "with the permission from Leisure Services, who manage the land and Lead Ward Member Cllr Sampson".I have a few questions arising from this:1. Unless the rules have changed since I was a Hounslow councillor (up until May 2010), only the relevant Cabinet (former Executive) portfolio holder may take a Single Member Decision.  Such a decision cannot be taken by a simple ward member, only members of the Cabinet have the right and such decisions must only be taken by each respective councillor within the orbit of his/her area of Cabinet responsibility.  Councillor Sampson's portfolio, as listed on the Council's website, is "Communities and Economic Development".  The relevant portfolio area for this issue would presumably be "Public Health and Leisure", which is held by Councillor Sachin Gupta.  Why then has this decision been signed off by Cllr Sampson as opposed to Cllr Gupta?2. Again when I was a councillor, there was no such thing as a "Lead Ward Member".  All three ward members had equal status.  When and by what means was the office of "Lead Ward Member" created and where has this decision been publicised?  Who appoints/elects a "Lead Ward Member"?3. Lead Ward Member or no, we have established that the appropriate portfolio holder was Cllr Gupta and not Cllr Sampson.  Why then did the Director of Regeneration, Economic Development and Environment solicit, or at least accept, the signature of the wrong Lead Member on the document?  Was Cllr Gupta consulted about this process and if so why was he not asked to sign the document?4. Why has the Leader of the Council not intervened to correct any of the errors above?  Should we assume from his silence that he is happy with the handling of this matter, including the apparent undermining by a senior officer of Cllr Gupta?5. Ditto Councillor Ruth Cadbury, the prospective parliamentary candidate.  Has she taken an interest in this development and the ever increasing concern that it is provoking amongst the surrounding community, from which she presumably aspires to attract votes?5. Why was there no public consultation prior to the decision when it impacts upon the residents of an entire estate and a few more people besides?  Bearing in mind that the Council is presently employing Community Engagement Officers on substantial salaries, is it reasonable that very highly paid senior officers could "forget" to consult dwellers on an entire estate before removing from them a much used amenity?  Was this omission not spotted by ward members, lead or lesser, at the time?6. In her early posts Vanessa Smith, who has been following this matter throughout, seems to be of the view that senior officers have been running this show over the heads of elected members, and implies that this is the impression given to her by elected members themselves.  And yet one of the ward councillors is named on the document as having authorised the approval given to a private resident to use the site for grazing.  This would appear contradictory, so what is the truth on this please?7. Was the applicant to whom the grazing licence has been granted known to any of the councillors or officers prior to this decision?  Does he/she have any connection to the estate?  If so, would it be reasonable to me to assume that this fact was declared prior to the decision having been signed off?That's enough to be getting on with, hopefully somebody in authority on this Council may be able to shed some light on this for me.  Many thanks.

Phil Andrews ● 3836d332 Comments

Simon, this is how it is -In libel, unlike slander or malicious falsehood, the onus is on the Defendant (you) to establish their case, not the Plaintiff (Councillor Sampson). In other words it would not be for her to prove that what you had said was false, but for you to prove that it was true.  In that sense she has you at a disadvantage.Notwithstanding this Councillor Sampson would be crazy to sue you for libel.  No disrespect intended, but unless you have a secret stash hidden away somewhere you are not worth suing.  Libel is for the wealthy, and Councillor Sampson would almost certainly end up tens of thousands out of pocket even if she won (she might even have to ask Mr Ayoby for a loan!).  The only ones to benefit financially would be the lawyers.  The Borough Solicitor will have told her this, which is why she went for the easy option of sending you a solicitor's letter.  As a councillor this would have cost her nothing.It's a difficult situation because you are not dealing with people like you and me.  The mindset is fundamentally different.  I don't share Paul's optimism that Mr Ayoby would tell the truth in a situation like this, although I think a half-decent defence lawyer would expose him within minutes.  Councillor Sampson though would be a much tougher nut to crack.Much as I dislike bullying, I think that if this threat was causing you worry you were right to ask the editor of this site to remove it.  It's really much of a muchness as everybody who was ever going to read it will already have done so, and most people who take an interest in these things will be aware by now of the events which took place in any case.

Phil Andrews ● 3771d

“Councillors have agreed to appoint masterplanners in May to start public consultation on long-term improvements to the park. The aim is to ask existing and potential park users what facilities they would like to see”As usual,  Isleworth Councillors are totally out of touch with what is going on in their wards.They should be well aware that Redlees Park users have been regularly expressing their disgust with the stench of raw sewage in the park. Parents have had to abandon outings / picnics / parties  in the park due to the disgusting stench which pervades. Councillors have been copied in all the email complaints to LBH and Thames Water.  Councillors should be aware that our wannabe MP, Ruth Cadbury,  proposed and voted for expansion of  Mogden without ensuring that Thames Water covered the  6 open football pitch size tanks which are situated adjacent to Redlees Park. Councillors are aware that they (the Council) have refused to force Thames Water to place any  odour monitors anywhere near the open tanks because they are aware that the odour levels are so high that they would be forced to take legal action under EPA 1990 which is the statutory duty of the Council.   Councillors are aware that the open tanks are the biggest in Europe and they are filled with sewage regularly.  People shouldn’t forget that  when you smell  raw sewage, those same molecules are entering your system and you are actually ‘tasting’ the odour.  An odour can only be detected in liquid form. We breathe in airborne molecules that travel to and combine with receptors in nasal cells. The cilia, hairlike receptors that extend from cells inside the nose, are covered with a thin, clear mucus that dissolves odour molecules not already in vapour form. When the mucus becomes too thick, it can no longer dissolve the molecules.Which responsible parent or guardian  would want to take their children to a  park next to an open sewage works and who could actually eat a meal there? Its time local Councillors woke up and smelled the  s#*@e  instead of running around with half-cocked stupid ideas

Steve Taylor ● 3790d

Given the rumpus over having to save £2000 according to councillors, which has necessitated (we're told) having to lease our small open space out for grazing, like me you may be puzzled by the following. Why on earth a 'temporary cafe' is being suggested when there is a perfectly good café in the Leisure Campus which isn't exactly overrun seems  short-sighted to say the least. We can only hope these 'masterplanners' (is that some sort of cobblers for consultants?) actually listen to people but don't get too excited yet, the council's track record on that is p*sspoor at best. So where is the money coming from for this and why have we had to lose a local amenity if there's money available? Redlees revamp gets green lightMon, 23 March 2015A two-phase plan to revamp Redlees Park in Isleworth will get underway next month, the council has announced.Councillors have agreed to appoint masterplanners in May to start public consultation on long-term improvements to the park. The aim is to ask existing and potential park users what facilities they would like to see on the popular six hectare site and how these can be delivered most effectively for the community. It will also address the long-standing concerns, such as the car park congestion and the deteriorating condition of the tennis courts, five-a-side pitch and other facilities.In the shorter-term, the council has agreed to boost use of the park by introducing a temporary café and a natural play area for children by the summer. The play area, which is likely to feature balancing logs, den buildings and climbing poles, will replace the old version which was closed recently due to broken equipment. The council also aims to deliver a major event in the autumn to encourage local people to enjoy the park more.A to Z of Services »

Vanessa Smith ● 3791d

Phil          I totally understand mate, i know how these things work. I told the Gentleman yesterday that IVYTAG doesn't need Hounslow Council, we didn't need them before when we set it up.And as a Resident they cant ignore my emails for Residents or Estate Issues like they did before when i wasn't a Resident.Today i put a poster up in the Blocks and Notice boards on the estate about the unconstitional EGM and whats happening and why its happening and whom is behind it as i feel the residents have the right to know.Just now the Chair of the URAI who was accompanied by a Hounslow Council Caretaker placed a EGM poster in the Board outside my Block with the full help of the caretaker (good to see he has the Caretakers taking time out of their work which we pay them to do, to put posters up for the URA..I didn't know that was in their Job Description) He has seen the Poster i put up but has left it but he will go running to the Council now to get them all removed which means the Council will be trying to silence us for telling residents the truth. Its also Great to see his EGM posters in every block locked in the notice boards, the only people with keys to those boards are the Caretakers...A resident told me today that he was approached by the chair saying he should come to the EGM to support him and that he has the full support of the Local Councillors (the resident is a labour supporter so its why he said this to him) He told the resident that they had to remove certain people who are not there for the residents and that has stopped them doing their work...Funny really as i am the most active resident on this Estate.

Simon Anderson ● 3794d

Had a Good meeting yesterday with the Communities and Participation team. They told us the old rules of Hounslow Home about only 1 group allowed on the Estate has gone and there is no reason why there can't be 2 groups helping residents as long as we don't find each other.We stated that if IVYTAG stays as a second group we want the same recognition as the URAI.We made a list of things we wanted which i don't want to go into but will benefit the Residents.It was a great meeting and i am very hopeful things will sort out weather its getting rid of the current Chair and dissolve IVYTAG and then have a proper run URA or have the 2 Groups on the Estate with the Same recognition.As to Labour's involvement in all this, we have had some very reliable information that On Monday 16th there was a Evening dinner and Exhibition at the local Mosque it was attended By the Local Councillors and Mrs Cadbury. The other person there was the current chair of the URAI who was standing with Mrs Cadbury. After the event we were told by a couple attendees that night that Mr Ayoby is canvassing for votes for Mrs Cadbury.We have also been told he is doing the same with Somalian residents on Ivybridge Estate.It seems so odd all this, after a massive big fall out with the Local labour group, the fact he always told me he would never support the labour party because of the IRAQ war where he said members of his family were killed and his family land was taken from them.So is the Local Labour group supporting him with the URAI and his Plans to take it over and run it on their behalf?

Simon Anderson ● 3794d

I agree with that.  And it's worth repeating that this is not about whether any or indeed all of a residents' association's members are Labour supporters or members.  It is about whether they are there as servants of their communities, or of their party.A little anecdote if I may be permitted. During the Hounslow Central by-election in 2000, in which the ICG was running a candidate, my path crossed frequently with that of Bob Whatley, who was the Labour candidate in that contest.  He is an affable guy and we invariably suspended activities for five or ten minutes for a brief chat.During one of those chats he related to me how the Council never got any trouble from RAs in Hounslow Central "because we (the Labour Party) control them all".This is the rub of it.  He could have pointed out that every officer of every association in the ward happened to be a paid-up member of the Labour Party and, though it would have been an extraordinary coincidence, the fact in itself would not have been relevant.  What was relevant was the fact that the presence of Labour Party members in key positions within these associations amounted in his view to "control" being exercised by the party over those groups.In other words those people holding those positions did so not in their capacity as active residents, but as party members.  Or to put it another way, not to serve their respective associations in their dealings with the local authority, but to serve the Labour-led local authority on those associations.It is a simple enough point, which politicos sometimes deliberately confuse in order to cloud the water.  What it means is that whilst in an ideal world Labour members should be as welcome as anybody else to serve on a residents' or tenants' association, in practice they must always be viewed as potential fifth columnists because the party to which they belong would appear to require them to infiltrate and control.

Phil Andrews ● 3795d

There is a pattern on Ivybridge where the chair of the Residents associations are concerned.NITA - Chair Sally Clayton, was a member of the Labour group and best mates with Ann Keen MP. Refused any supporter of the ICG as members of NITA.Kissed the Butt of the Labour group and the council. Was rewarded with a MBENITA - Chair Tina Howe, Labour supporter. Was best friends with her and her husband. Spent every day with them and had dinner up there flat on many occasions and Roast every Sunday became 1 of the family. But stabbed me in the back to remain as Chair in 2003.Since then she became a Hounslow Homes Board member, got a move to another estate to bigger property, withing weeks on that Estate she pushed out the chair and became chair of the Resident Association there and now a Labour Councillor.URAI Chair since July 2014 Mr Ayoby. He and i had been friends 12yrs he helped me Financially and personally over the years. I looked up at him as the Father i never had. When he suggested we become Chair and VC last year i was very happy to run the URAI with him. But he too stabbed me in the back. He is a Labour Member who helped The Local Labour group with their campaign in 2010.It seems power goes to these peoples heads, they seem to think they are bigger than the Residents Group. The only time the Residents Group on Ivybridge was run correctly and fairly was when Tony Smith was Chair.He refused to kiss Hounslow Homes or the Local Labour Party's Butts.When the URAI elected Paul Fisher onto the committee as an Associated member, Cllr Sampson contacted members of the URAI inc the Chair and VC to have him off the committee saying he can not be a member as they are turning the URAI into a Political Group.This was untrue because Mr Fisher was not a Councillor at the time and when he announced he was standing in 2014 he resigned.But those Members of the URAI refused to do as she wanted them to do.If you think about it Mr Ayoby, Mrs Howe and Mrs Clayton (and another Lady who chaired Action For Ivybridge, Before NITA Mrs Woodall was a Dedicated Member of Labour party) all have in common "The Labour party"Its about time the Residents group is run by residents who will not allow Politicians to dictate or the council and run the URAI for the Residents not for their mates or to get Rewards.

Simon Anderson ● 3796d

Yes and no, imho.There is obviously no point in residents remaining with the URA and trying to rescue that as the rules will be made up, ignored or changed at will by those within whose gift it is to do these things.  This was always an inevitability and the only question remaining to be asked is why it took them so long.  One must assume that uncertainty over the outcome of last year's local elections was the reason, and now that a substantial majority has been recorded there will be no limit to the havoc that will be unleashed upon what remains of the tenants' movement in this borough, and in Isleworth in particular where they still seem to believe they have scores to settle. I would also agree that for an independent group to pine for recognition from the very same people who have created the crisis in the first place and to wail about the unfairness of it all would appear desperate if not a tad pathetic.I do not however believe that tenants should just pack up and let them get away with it.  Tenants' and residents' associations may not play the same pivotal role in our communities as they once did but they are often the beneficiaries of funding from various sources including the Council itself, and in any event the driving factor for those responsible will often simply be that for as long as they control these groups the residents themselves will not be able to, and potentially contentious housing or tenancy issues will never be raised.The rebirth of Ivytag was sad and a retrograde step but regrettably inevitable in the current circumstances.  Residents need to recognise this and to work with Simon and others to help them to build it, to keep it active and in the news, and to embarrass the Council's association by contrast at every opportunity.

Phil Andrews ● 3797d

Some may have noticed the point I frequently make, that in the absence of any remedial action the whole local Labour Party has to be considered culpable for these events.I can understand them being reluctant to take all of Mr. Ayoby's allegations at face value due to the nature of the man, although whether a man of his age and disposition would subject himself to a cross-examination in a court of law on the strength of a fabricated claim is doubtful.  This should at the very least have set the alarm bells ringing.But with the apparent tie-in between a councillor and the owner of these horses coupled with the denial of any involvement in the decision which was then proven to be untrue, the UKIP business, allegations of firebombings which those closest will have known to have been so much nonsense, unsubstantiated accusations of bribery made in writing against a local charity which subsequently had to be withdrawn - one might have thought that at the very least some kind of interest would have been taken, and it is reasonable to ask what kind of people it is who themselves consider such things to be deserving of a blind eye being turned.Then there are the other ward councillors who seem to consider this to be reasonable behaviour by a fellow elected member and who continue to provide cover and excuses.Like I say, the distribution of Cabinet posts this coming May will tell us a lot about the Leader of the Council himself and his own priorities.  Personally I see no indication that this two-bob gangsterism on the part of one his subalterns will not once again find itself rewarded.

Phil Andrews ● 3798d

Good grief.  What a sorry state politics in Isleworth would appear to have descended to and the real tragedy of this story is that there is not one person involved in it that I could reasonably trust to tell me the time, so goodness only knows where the truth of it all lies.What I can say is that the allegations of vandalism to cars and false claims of affairs etc. are consistent with my own experiences and some of these issues are ongoing and still to be resolved.One must ask to what extent the steadfast refusal of the local Labour leadership to become involved and to take action renders it complicit in this type of activity.  I am certainly of the view that the Leader of the Council will be better appraised of the nature of his party in Isleworth than he likes to let on, and from that one can draw one's own conclusions.Whatever the truth or otherwise of Mr. Ayoby's allegations, one inescapable fact is that somebody involved in this apparent rapprochement between himself and Isleworth councillors would seem to be possessed of a very forgiving nature to put it mildly.  Speaking personally I could not do business with somebody who had borrowed money from me and then denied all knowledge of it, neither could I become involved with a person who had accused me of stealing from me when I hadn't.At least one of them therefore has demonstrably no moral compass whatsoever.  Of course that is for them and their own consciences, but it is surely a tragedy for all of us that our local politics would appear to be being dragged through the gutter in this fashion?

Phil Andrews ● 3799d

Leader of the Council Members Services Your contact: Local ward Councillors:Councillor Mayne: Ed.Mayne@hounslow.gov.uk Councillor Sampson: Sue.Sampson@hounslow.gov.uk Councillor Green Linda.Green@hounslow.gov.uk Civic CentreLampton RoadHounslow TW3 4DNOur ref: Northcote AvenueDate:  4th March 2015 Dear ResidentNorthcote Avenue Open SpaceThe council recently sought your opinion on the granting of a grazing licence for 2 horses on the open space known as Northcote Avenue Open Space (or Pit Park). We have listened to your feedback and seriously considered your concerns. As a result of this consultation and review, the annual licence will not be renewed unless a working group led by the ward councillors comes to a different conclusion. The horses will however be allowed to continue to graze until October 2015, which is when the initial licence period runs out. As with all licences, if there is evidence that the tenant is in breach of their licence they will be given one month’s notice to vacate and the licence will be terminated.I would like to thank you for your contribution to the consultation and also take this opportunity to apologise for any inconvenience and unhappiness that the granting of this licence has caused. I have asked that local Councillors now work with you to shape the use of the site after October 2015, taking into consideration the pressures on our budgets, and would welcome your engagement in this process.  If you do have any questions regarding the information in this letter please do not hesitate to contact your local Councillors and they will respond to your query as soon as possible.Yours sincerely, Cllr Steve CurranLeader of the CouncilResponse to people who contacted the council and which has just been stuck on the gate - naturally. One has to ask why the local councillors would break the habit of a lifetime and start responding to people let alone working WITH people.So to translate: We cocked up big time, we know you've got the hump - but tough - we get to call the shots because we're arrogant, up ourselves a*seholes. And this working party may just ignore everything that's gone on anyway, so there!

Vanessa Smith ● 3799d

We had a meeting with the Leader of the council yesterday (30mins)We discussed the main 2 issues concerning this estate.On the URAI and IVYTAG - He said the Council and Councilors can not get involved with the on going Feud, he stated they cannot be Referees and wont take sides.He stated that they can only recognize groups that have a constitution.He is setting up a Mediation (which we agreed on) between both groups to see if we can come together.I find this funny, because the Council recognize the URAI even though they have no constitution, even though the Chair of the URAI can remove members and replace with his friends, even though the Chair can hold Open meetings without inviting the residents, A Chair that allows non members to join the URAI without being elected (because they are his friends) at a AGM or Open meeting. As to the RFU Parking:He stated that the Bridgelink Center has no rights to sub let council land and take the money nor has the Residents Group.He stated that we cant do it as we don't have 3rd Party Insurance.He said in principle he has nothing against us doing it if we had the write documents etc etc.I said to him, that it was funny that a Week after his Councillor said she was getting it stopped it was stopped.I then mentioned that she also said that she was not happy that the Local Allotments were doing it.He said he didn't know nothing about the allotments doing it but if they are then it must be because the owners have gotten together and decided to do it.I thought this was funny because Doesn't the council own the Allotments and you rent a plot from the Council?I asked him what about those that park in the Center car park every day, he said as long as they are visitors to the center that's fine.I told him there are non Visitors and People parking in there on Rugby Matches.He said that another estate has an issue with non residents constantly parking on their estate preventing residents from parking on it so they want a Full CPZ.He said that he was going to look at doing this on our Estate too.I told him that was not fair on residents, he said he has to pay for parking.I said the Car parks are not part of Highways so you cant get a ticket anyway.He said if 50% of residents want the CPZ then the Car parks will be added in to the CPZ.I then mentioned the Underground car park.He looked shocked i knew.He said if the RFU want to pay to have it done up and rent it out then he will look at this because it will be money for our estate.I said we herd that before when the council sold land to Notting hill and the money did not go to Ivybridge as promised, it was Paul Fisher when he was Councillor tracked that money and brought it back to us.We said what about the issues it will cause residents, he asked like what so we told him, he said that it would be properly run.Lastly he said to us 3 times that he doesn't lie, he likes to be truthful.

Simon Anderson ● 3808d

From a newspaper up north:Estate feud finally ends12:32pm Sunday 5th August 2007By Chris BriddonIvybridge estate residents have united to end a 20-year quarrel More than two decades of feuding between rival groups came to an end end last Thursday evening as members of the official tenants' association NITA (New Ivybridge Tenants' Association) and the independent residents' group Ivytag (Ivybridge Tenants' Action Group) agreed to work together.At a packed meeting at the estate's Bridgelink Centre chaired by Coun Phil Andrews, Lead Member for Housing and Community Safety both groups were dissolved simultaneously to make way for a brand new venture, to be known as the United Residents' Association for Ivybridge (URA).Residents voted overwhelmingly to bury the hatchet and launch the the new group which will enjoy the support of members of both former groups.A total of 30 residents, including several youngsters keen to launch their own youth group, signed up for the new committee. URA will be chaired by former NITA chairman Tina Howe, with Al Ayoby former deputy chairman of Ivytag as vice chaiman , Ron Robinson secretary and Mohammed Jarche treasurer..Speaking after the meeting, Councillor Andrew said: "This is a truly wonderful achievement by the people of Ivybridge and one which I am immensely proud to have helped bring about in the face of resistance and often indescribable hostility from political elements and other members of the old guard' who once enjoyed such a stranglehold over the local housing movement."The success of this project serves to demonstrate that anything can be achieved when there is a will to unite rather than to divide, to create rather than to destroy."It vindicates the work of all of us who have striven to ensure that party politics do not dominate our community life, and who have insisted that everybody is treated equally and given a fair crack of the whip whatever their views or affiliations."He added: "I have immense confidence in those who have been entrusted with running the new group to deliver a first-class service to the community of which they are part."Back© Copyright 2001-2015 Newsquest Media Group

Simon Anderson ● 3815d

Phil, what is happening is The Chair of the URA whom has been running the URA wrongly, refuses to sign the constitution which means the URA bank account funds can not be touched, Doctoring minutes, attacking other members who oppose him and lying in Minutes is now calling for a meeting tonight to put a motion for a EGM. The only problem is with this is he has taken 3 ELECTED members of the committee (inc the ONLY rep from Kirkstone Lodge) and replaced them with his friends and placed friends of his on empty seats since some people resigned last year. These people all live in the 1 block and was NEVER elected on to the URA at a AGM or open meeting (this was explained to him in October by Hounslow Homes Estate Manager Godfrey Hamilton) but he has gone ahead to do it so he has the majority vote to get the remaining 4 residents who he doesn't like of the committee (inc me who has done ALL the work on this estate since last years AGM) He does what he want, he seems to think that he is the URA and owns it. I have also been informed that he has made up with a local Councillor who he was at war with for a few years recently inc taking them to court over allegations that they stole money from him, and this Councillor is supporting him to get the Ethnic Community Votes but not sure if this is true its just a Rumor. He has state on a document he sent me yesterday that the 3 local Councillors sent their Apologies that they could not make the URA's unconstitutional open meeting in November but he told us at that meeting he invited them but got no reply from them as like Tony when he was Chair. As to the Car Park, i totally agree but according to the Bridgelink more reasons were given but they have forgot what and i have sent the Guy from the Council who said these things an email yesterday asking for the reasons. I also want to know why The Isleworth Allotments had theirs Stopped but a year later was able to do it again, with the anger of the Local Councillor who verbally attacked me as they told me they didn't agree they were doing it either.

Simon Anderson ● 3816d

We are all very well aware that Hounslow Council's "insurance" justification for shutting off a vital income stream for the residents' association and the Bridge Link Centre on Ivybridge is bogus, but it is worth trying to examine why it is doing this.To recap, Simon was confronted by two angry councillors a week or so ago who told him that they "run things now" and that any such project should have had their permission.  Nothing, if I call Simon's account correctly, was mentioned about insurance.Now, a few days later, lo and behold, the Council Leader announces that the match day parking must stop due allegedly to the necessary insurance arrangements not being in place.It seems to me that on this occasion the poodle is taking the owner for a walk.I would like it to be explained to me whether other, non-rugby users of the Bridge Link Centre car park are insured when they park their cars, and if so why then does that insurance not cover rugby supporters doing the same?Conversely, if all users of the car park (including councillors attending their surgeries, whom it seems make the long drive from the Worple estate on the opposite side of the road) are doing so at their own risk and it is acceptable for them to do so, why is it that rugby supporters cannot leave their cars there on the same terms?It appears to me from this, and from other news emanating from Ivybridge, that our old friends are in the process of making one of their traditional power grabs on the estate and that this incident is merely a symptom of that strategy.  But maybe I am wrong, in which case one of the people involved may wish to make a rare appearance on this public forum to enlighten us?

Phil Andrews ● 3816d

We residents are being dictated to, today i have been given papers for our Residents Association that we have a NON Constitutional Meeting tomorrow night to place a motion for a EGM to be called in 28 days by the incumbent chair. He held a secret meeting with his "Friends" and kept 7 off us in the dark. He has changed the members list. at last years AGM it was voted that membership would go down to 11 from 16 but he refused to allow that. In October (in front of Hounslow Homes) he read out the members list, several of his "Friends" stood down so he replaced them with more "Friends" we objected and Hounslow Homes supported us when we said you can only become a member at a AGM or open meeting. He has gone ahead with placing New members on without it being voted on at a AGM or open meeting and he has removed 3 residents who joined at the AGM off as members and replaced them as Friends. He has done this to get a EGM to get The Treasurer, His wife, me and 2 other member off who oppose his actions. This guy was thrown off the URA several years ago for the same thing. But i have been told today by a resident that Mr Ayoby has shook hands with a Local Councillor who he was at war with and took to court and this person is backing him to get the URA in return he gets the Muslim Community to vote for them in 3years time. This is total BS, the Resident Association should be open to any member of the estate to join and it should not be up to 1 resident or a Politician who can be on the committee and who cant. This estate is being controlled by certain people.

Simon Anderson ● 3817d

The following is lengthy, but it is well worth reading.  It was the response formulated by the Heston Residents' Association to Hounslow's Citizen Engagement Consultation in September 2014 and is probably the closest thing we have to a definitive summary of the growing democratic deficit which exists in Hounslow:Council policy over the last four years shows a constant erosion of community involvement in local government. It suggests that Senior Council Officers do not want borough residents to be involved in the way they are governed, and this conflicts with the Government’s concept of “Localism”.It also conflicts with the Council’s Corporate Governance Statement, its Constitution, the Local Government Act 2000, and the introduction to the Forward Plan.The changes made to the planning procedures mean that Members have very little, if any, influence over planning decisions. Call-in procedures only allow a decision to be referred to the Planning Committee. There is very little real influence over the actual decisions made.The changes to the complaints procedure to make all referrals to a Stage 3 Members Panel discretionary, has removed Members influence over the complaints procedure.Members’ influence over issues concerned with roads, pavements and street cleanliness is now very limited because these services have been outsourced. The service delivery is managed by the contents of the outsourcing contract.If Members have no influence over planning, the complaints procedure, roads, pavements and street cleaning – why exactly would borough residents want to talk to their ward Councillors?  What issues could Members tackle on behalf of borough residents?Members have acquiesced in a process that has greatly reduced community engagement and has significantly reduced their own relevance.  The generally accepted meaning of the term "community engagement" is the active involvement ofcitizens in the process of local authority decision-making.Every Councillor and every Senior Officer within the London Borough of Hounslow will say that they are fully committed to transparency and “community engagement”.In May 2012 the Council carried out a consultation on improving community engagement in Area Committees. A report was produced, the deputy Chair of each of the five Area Forums was appointed as the “community engagement champion” – with an extra responsibility allowance of £2,500 p.a. for each of the five deputy Chairs, and a council officer was appointed to attend each area forum to facilitate community engagement – at further cost to the council tax payer.  Notwithstanding this expenditure, nothing has been done to improve community engagement but over the last four years, several actions have been taken by the Council to reduce transparency within the Council and to reduce public involvement in the Council’s decision-making processes.The Council’s Corporate Governance is based on six core principles which include:“taking informed and transparent decisions which are subject to effective scrutiny”, and “engaging with local people and other stakeholders to ensure robust public accountability”.  The Council’s Constitution states that its purpose is:“to enable the Council to provide clear leadership to the community in partnership with citizens, businesses and other organisations”; “to support the active involvement of citizens in the process of local authority decision-making”;“to ensure that those responsible for decision-making are clearly identifiable to local people and that they explain the reasons for decisions”. The Constitution also states that Councillors “will actively encourage community participation and citizen involvement in decision-making”.The Council’s Overview and Scrutiny Committee exists to ensure that the Council’s decision making is open, transparent and accountable. It now ignores that responsibility.Recently the Council’s complaints procedure was changed by Council Officers to re-define it as “discretionary”, thus allowing Council Officers to decide not to respond to a complaint.  This change took place without any public consultation or announcements. The changes did not go through the Council’s Cabinet or Borough Council.  Even if there is sufficient wriggle room in Council procedures to allow changes to be made in this way, it should not be so done because it lacks transparency.Like MPs expenses, claims might be “within the rules”, but they lack integrity.  Both the changes to the complaints procedure and the MP’s expense claims reflect an inappropriate culture.  The Council’s culture should be based on transparency and public service. The Audit Commission was responsible for scrutinising the way that Local Authorities carried out their responsibilities.  Its work was “outsourced” to private companies in 2011.  The 2011 Localism Act assumed that local communities would play a leading role in holding their local authority to account using the Freedom of Information Act. In this post-Audit Commission world we have a “consumer democracy” which places more and more reliance on local people to hold local government to account. For members of the public who want to hold their local authority to account, the starting point is the complaints procedure. It is becoming increasingly more difficult to progress a complaint, at a time when it is increasingly more important for the public to be able tohold its local authority to account.A complaint to the Council is initially reviewed as a “stage 1 complaint” by the officer who took the original action or decision.  If the complaint is not resolved, it is reviewed at stage 2 by the Officer’s head of department.  There is no unbiased review of an Officer’s decision or action until it reaches Stage 3 of the procedure where it is reviewed by a panel of 3 Councillors. By making all stages of the procedure “discretionary”, the complaints procedure becomes unfit for purpose because officers can refuse to allow the complaint to go to a stage 3 independent review. In practice, complaints are often reviewed by those involved in the original decision or action. This directly conflicts with the requirements of the Council’s Constitution to “ensure that no one will review or scrutinise a decision in which they were directly involved”.The Council is supposed to comply with its own procedures, and those procedures should have democratic legitimacy.  The introduction of the “discretionary” nature of the complaints procedure by Council Officers without reference to the public or their elected representatives has nodemocratic legitimacy, and that is incompatible with any democratic system of local government.Un-elected officers have changed council procedures in a way that prevents democratic oversight of their actions and decisions. It is essential that the public is able to understand the rules by which it is governed. It is not acceptable that un-elected Council Officers are able to change those rules by the simple expedient of making a few amendments to the Council’s website.This issue has significantly more serious consequences for those of us involved in the running of a residents' association because we cannot offer advice and support to our members if the rules can be changed at the whim of a Council Officer. Thus the absence of "the rule of law" can be seen as a threat to the existence of every residents' association.The Council’s standard strategy for dealing with negative comments and complaints from a borough resident is to isolate and ignore the individual. They are usually told that nobody else has that problem. This same strategy is used for comments and complaints from an individualresidents’ association. This led to a number of residents associations (currently 22) working together to identify common issues and a common approach to resolving issues.  The group is commonly referred to as “G15+”.  The group met with the Chief Executive and other Senior Officers to review and develop solutions to our common issues.  However when it became apparent to Senior Council Officers that G15+ members would not be satisfied with “tea and sympathy” but were looking for delivery of solutions, the Council decided to stop meeting with the group.  The G15+ issues remain largely unresolved.The Council’s Statement of Community Involvement (SCI) defines when and how the public is involved in Council decisions. In essence it is a contract between the Council and borough residents. Until 1 July 2012 the SCI was a statutory document that the Council was obliged tocomply with in its procedures.In May 2011 the Council changed its Constitution in a way that prevented the Council from complying with the statutory obligations contained in its SCI. The Council simply ignored its legal obligations in respect of Community Involvement. In agreeing to this change Councillors gave away the public right to effective participation in planning decisions.In May 2012 the Council decided to change the SCI to bring it into conformance with the amended Constitution. This required the Council to consult with the public on its proposed changes. Many submissions were made to request changes to the SCI to restore the public’s right to participate in planning decisions. All submissions requesting the restoration of public involvement in planningdecisions were ruled inadmissible. In its response to the public consultation, the Council advised that anything that required changes to the Council’s constitution would not be accepted because “no changes could be made to the constitution”.  The consultation ignored the public voice.  Elected representatives again failed to protect the democratic rights of borough residents. The revised SCI – the “contract” between the Council and borough residents - is thus a document with no democratic legitimacy. It is now a charter to exclude public participation from planningdecisions.  It would be more appropriate to consider the document as a “Statement of Community Exclusion”. The revised SCI introduced changes to the planning procedures, with all planning decisions based on a system of delegated authority. Officers now take subjective decisions on planning applications behind closed doors and with no effective accountability.The 1990 Town and Country Planning Act requires an objective assessment of every planning application against the Council’s planning policies.  Planning Officers, however, consider all planning policy to be “guidelines only” that they can ignore if they so wish.  The public are entitled to question whether planning decisions are now taken for political or administrative convenience.Officers determine applications under the General Permitted Development Order (GPDO) in ways that conflict with the statutory requirements of the GPDO. Planning Officers effectively overrule statute law. They often take planning decisions which conflict with Technical Guidance provided bythe Department for Communities and Local Government and planning appeal decisions taken by HM Planning Inspectorate.Planning decisions in the borough are now inconsistent and unaccountable. The result is that many areas within the borough are becoming over-developed slums.  If the public disagrees with a planning decision they have 5 days from the date on which the Council places notice of the intended decision on its web site to persuade a Councillor to “call-in” the planning application for review by the Planning Committee. It is difficult for a borough resident to invoke the call-in procedure unless they have an existing relationship with a Member because Members do not have sufficient time to independently establish whether there is a valid case for call-in. They have to rely on the opinion of the person wanting the application to be called in. This system therefore discriminates against anyone who wishes to have a planning application called in but does not have an existing relationship with a Member.A serious problem for the public when trying to request a call-in is that some Councillors generally ignore all correspondence from borough residents. So public involvement in planning decisions often falls at the first hurdle.Council Officers, with very few exceptions, rarely respond to issues raised by the public. They normally re-interpret input from the public to issues that they are willing to address, and ignore any questions that they consider to be “challenging”.In response to concerns or complaints, the starting point of most officers in their response is that it is not their job. If the complainant establishes that it is their job, they then explain why, even if it is their job, nothing can be done about it. If the complainant persists with the issue, the Officers use their “isolate and ignore policy”.If the complainant still persists with their complaint then the “vexatious complainant” procedure is invoked.  This allows Council Officers to ignore all correspondence from that person – and there is no right of appeal against the procedure.Freedom of Information requests are usually ignored. The policy within the Council seems to be that no response is sent to an FOI request until a complaint is made about the failure to provide a response within the 20 days allowed under the FOI Act.The Area Forum has become less relevant to the public for a number of reasons:• Agenda content is usually dominated by items of little or no interest to the public such as small grant applications. The main issue of importance to the public is still planning applications.  Members rarely discuss planning applications, and the public have no opportunity to participate in any planning discussions at the Area Forum.• Other issues of significant interest to the public such as the Rogue Landlords project, wheeled bin collections, street cleanliness etc. get very little attention within the Area Forum:• Attendance by Members and Officers is very poor.• It is often difficult to hear what is being said, and sometimes it is difficult to understand what is being said. Members show very poor discipline in terms of using the microphone and making comments in a clear way.• Where borough residents raise issues in the public forum there is generally no response on the night and no follow-up action taken.• The public consultation in May 2012 on how to improve community engagement in Area Committees has been completely ignored.

Phil Andrews ● 3820d

The results of the consultation are in - the majority of people who commented said 'No' to horses in the park. Great you might think, but not with this lot. Now they claim they can't terminate the lease unless the horse owner acts irresponsibly? There has been one nasty incident that culminated in a neighbour being bitten by one of the horses when he tried to help when a dog got into the park, that has just been brushed aside. The fact that councillors Curran and Mayne are also saying the decision was wrong, and that local councillors have claimed they were mislead by officers are also not of any consequence, in spite of a councillor being named on a delegated authority notice and then denying it! So a lease was given that actually shouldn't have been because the information given by officers was untrue, councillors were fed a load of nonsense but they won't pull the plug even though the terms of the lease allow for it. If the will was there this could be done - the fact that Cllr. Curran has decreed the horse must stay for a year is highly suspect, possibly if the council did give notice they would have to pay off the lessee, that is probably why there is such a reluctance to proceed. That's without taking into account the costs of re-instating the ground, so much for the claim from officers that they could save £2000 p.a. So residents get the mucky end of the stick for a bunch of incompetents who even now refuse to put their mistake right. Well, we haven't finished yet, this is absolutely not acceptable, but at least we know where we figure in the great scheme of things - somewhere behind the horses rear end!

Vanessa Smith ● 3822d

Steve, there was only 1 Cllr who was confronting the drivers whilst the other 2 looked on, this person was the one who was also taking the photos etc etc... What i want to say is if it was the ICG who were the local Councillors not only would they support this scheme they would most probably put it up on there local website and in their Leaflets because they would do anything to help local Community Groups every way they can not to try and take it away from us.This is about 1 local Cllr not liking the URA because of who is on the Committee, its about 1 Local Cllr not liking the 2 Residents who are doing this Scheme. I asked this Cllr on Saturday why the Local Councillors did not come o the URA meetings, and that i was told the URA (before i came back to the estate) stopped them attending. They told me that was not true but that they decided not to attend the meetings because the Committee co opted Paul Fisher onto the Committee and made the URA political. From what i was told by Ex Members of the URA this Cllr wanted them to throw Paul of the committee and they refused and the Local Cllrs have not worked with the URA, also just after that the URA was told they could no longer get the Funding from the Council. Paul was not a politician at the time and when he announced he was standing in last years Local Elections he handed in his resignation straight away. The URA had 2 other local Residents on the committee (still do) who announced they were standing last year but did not resign from the URA but Paul had the decency to do so because he cared about the URA. But since i joined and helped take over the URA last July the Local Councillors have not attended any of our meetings.

Simon Anderson ● 3826d

The root of the problem Tim is that Hounslow Council, institutionally, does not understand WHY it should consult residents - about anything, at any time, ever.  This seems to be a thing that affects councillors and officers equally, and it is sometimes difficult to see which of them is leading the other in their efforts to disregard public opinion to the very best of their ability.Indeed one sometimes forms the impression that they consider it a weakness and a slight on their authority to do something which the people who elected them (or employ them) actually want them to do.They hear buzz words like "localism" emanating from their national leaders and seem then to spend their time working out ways in which they can incorporate them into their lexicon without having to do anything practical towards embracing them as a part of their actual political method.I can't find the actual reference but I definitely recall Ruth Cadbury writing something on her blog in 2010 to the effect that she and her party would learn from the mistakes of the past so as to ensure that nothing like 2006 ever happens to them again.  In the excitement that has followed the more recent elections of last May she and they would appear to have forgotten these very wise words and have become crazed with power once again, probably even more so than previously.It's a bit like giving matches to small children, certain of them have just not developed enough emotionally for them to be really trusted with power.  Judged by his recent antics I would say Steve Curran is probably the worst example of such a councillor. Certain of the people he is promoting and using in his quest to remain at the top of the greasy pole increasingly conduct themselves in a way which borders on illegality.  It will all end in tears, believe me.

Phil Andrews ● 3826d

Hi Vanessa, I am the only person on the URA who has been working with them and i also do 99% of the URA work. I go on Estate Inspections with the council, i have had many things fixed on the estate. I am working with Tesco and Asda regarding the Trolleys. I ave been working with the RFU and Houseline Building contractors who are on the estate and did me a commendation letter for my work with them. I work with the Bridgelink center.. basically i work with everyone because i think its important. As i said since becoming the Vice Chair of the URA i have copied all 3 local Councillors (and the MP) into important emails. When we had the issues with the URA i asked them for their help but they couldn't get involved so i approached Cllr Curran who is helping us.I do believe this is more to do with the fact there are Residents on the URA who have their History with the Local Councillors, and the fact that the Councillors don't like the ex Chair and myself. But like i said to them yesterday we had our differences and that's history and all i want to do is work together with them and get their support and help with issues on the estate. Like you i vote Labour in the Generals i have only ever not voted them that was in 2010 because i did not agree with our MP so i voted Libs thinking they keep the Tories out. This year i will be FULLY supporting Ruth to win and i want a Labour Government.. It should not be about if you like the person or not that should be put aside and we should be able to work together for the good of the Estate.

Simon Anderson ● 3827d

Phil, this was me that it happened too. Last November i approached the Bridgelink to use the Car Park on Match days so we could make some money allowing Fans to park there and the monies would go back in to the estate by it being split between the United Residents Association and The Bridgelink center (both of whom need money to keep going and both represent the estate). The Center Directors agreed. I then posted on TW8 that we were starting to do this. I then informed Hounslow Homes, and i emailed the RFU and Highways to inform them on match days we would be doing this and could they notify the Wardens and the Police and they replied back and was happy we were doing it and said they would not interfere. All emails i sent and replies i got back i sent to all 3 Local Councillors and the lead member of the council so they all knew. The Ex Chair of the URA and myself were the ones who did the scheme. We made sure all drivers were aware they were parking at their own risk by posters being placed all over the car park. We also issued them with a Receipt and 1 of my Resident Association contact Cards. When we gave half the cash to the Bridgelink i got them to sign for it, and i wrote out receipts for the money for the URA so we did it all properly. Yesterday was our 3rd one and was a success like the last 2. But yesterday i was met with hostile confrontation by 2 off our local Councillors who stated the council was not informed and that we had no rights to do this because it was Councils land.I told them that we were doing it for the Center and the URA and showed them the receipt book. But i was told that this was going to be stopped after this one. Those that were parking was spoken to by 1 of the Councillors where they were told we should not be doing it and telling them they could be ticketed. They took photos of the Cars, Notice Boards, Cones and off me. I felt so embarrassed as all i was doing was trying to raise funds for 2 great organizations. I informed the Councillor that since becoming VC of the URA i have done everything to work with them and the Lead member of the council and we should not be fighting each other but working together for the great of this estate which i am very passionate about as i am of the URA. They did compliment me for all the work i do on this estate and keeping the URA going and i held out my hand and shook theirs and we agreed to have a meeting. I was also informed the RFU is going to pay for the Underground Car park on the estate which i believe has not been used for YEARS to be done up and they will be using it for parking during the Rugby world cup and the money is coming back to the estate which will be good. As i said i hope the council don't stop us doing this and will support us because all i want is us all to work together.

Simon Anderson ● 3827d

Park site unveiled as site for new Brentford primary school       07:25, 11 February 2015  By Robert Cumber   Floreat Brentford would lease part of Brent Lea Recreation Ground from the council, under plans announced this week, with the income used to improve the remainder of the site   A new primary school would take over nearly half of a park in Brentford under proposals announced on Tuesday (February 10).Floreat Brentford would lease part of Brent Lea Recreation Ground from the council, with the money used to make improvements to the remainder of the public site.The recreation ground, just off London Road and beside Syon Park, was this week revealed by the council as the preferred option for the new free school's permanent home.The two-form entry free school is due to open at a temporary site, which has yet to be announced, this September, before moving to its permanent grounds in September 2017.Local residents will be able to have their say on the school's planning application. The council said they will also be invited to suggest what new leisure facilities they would like on the remaining land should the new building get the go-ahead.Councillor Tom Bruce, Hounslow Council's education chief, said: "We've been working for some time to avert a shortage of primary school spaces in parts of the borough, so I'm delighted to welcome Floreat Primary School to the borough."As well as offering a high quality educational option for parents in the area, it will also allow us to improve the facilities at Brent Lea Recreation Ground."Floreat Education's application to open a two-form entry primary school was approved last September by the Government and admissions opened last month. As a free school, it will enjoy independence from local authority control.

Vanessa Smith ● 3830d

Well, folks the verdict is in - apparently the Leader of the council who represents Syon, has decreed that the horses stay for a year of the lease, in this he has completely overruled the three Isleworth ward councillors, ain't democracy wonderful? It is fair to say that I had an ill-tempered exchange with Cllr. Mayne who, to his credit 'phoned me to inform me of this decree handed down from on high. There is no answer and from what I gather no attempt to investigate to find out who knew what and when and who did what and when, no officers are to be disciplined for their ill-advised interventions either. So, it's let's all cover this up and you lot can sod-off and by the time the year has elapsed here comes the fait accompli.Now councillors want to set up a working party with residents - yes, us those pesky upstarts who they have lied to and refused to communicate with, that has to be some sort of joke, who would believe anything they told us now?They do admit that what has happened is very wrong but hey! so what we're still not going to put it right. The whole rotten bunch of them are a disgrace to politics, a disgrace to the borough and a disgrace to the party they are supposed to represent. Why three members elected in Isleworth could not tell their Leader what they wanted to see happen and expect to get his support for that - I haven't a clue, it has to be a dictatorship at Planet Lampton. Well, this isn't going away and the fight will go on to ensure that someone is answerable for what they have done.

Vanessa Smith ● 3831d

27 parks saving £1.6m over four years equates to nearly £15k per park per year.We are told that the Pit Park costs a grand total of £2k per year to maintain, and given the state of it even that figure is highly questionable.  If senior officers think it is in Feltham one wonders just how much supervision there has been of those whose job it apparently is to maintain it.This plot of land is not suitable for housing as the water table is too high, and as such it would have little saleable value.  I don't know how much the owner of the horses is being charged for the use of the Pit Park but I would guess that in the greater scheme of things it would not be a great deal - certainly not enough to make any significant contribution towards the upkeep of Redlees Park.Which brings us once again to why this land has been taken away from local residents without any reference to them, and why it would appear to be such an insurmountable proposition to restore the situation to its status quo pending the proper consultation that should have happened in the first place.We have had tales from councillors about what has happened, who was responsible for it happening and what is going to happen now, which are all flatly contradicted by information emanating from Mr. Walsh.  Unable to get their stories to tally, it would appear from the correspondence published by Vanessa that councillors have given up even trying to get their accounts to match, and have instead abrogated their responsibilities entirely to the chief officer and have effectively made themselves incommunicado on the subject to their own constituents.The Leader of the Council presides over this fiasco, and by his silence associates himself with it.  This is, demonstrably, the state of play as I write.

Phil Andrews ● 3831d

The problem I have, and I suspect others too, is that after all the tangled tales, varying versions from various people, both officers and members, contradictions, silences, buck passing, lies and general fobbing-off, you begin to get slightly paranoid. Someone who clearly hadn't the first idea about the area, the circumstances or the full story suddenly popped up just after Mr. Walsh's dismissive post last Friday evening. Coincidence or deliberate? When you then find out that this person works for a council leisure contractor you tend, rightly or wrongly, to suspect ulterior motives. I agree that by and large council employees shouldn't post, the honourable exception was Chris Calvi-Freeman.Although Mr. Walsh's unfortunate comments have woken up some local councillors who had been telling some of us a quite different story, there now seems to be a difference of opinion as to whether Mr. Walsh was a)authorised to post his view and b)if his post reflected the understanding of some local members as to this matter. Cynically I just wonder if they just got their various stories blown out of the water with this unfortunate intervention. Either way we still await some credible answers and some action on rectifying an appalling and unforgiveable situation after months of trying to find our way through what has become a web of intrigue.  Enthusiasm may be all fine and well, actually knowing what the hell you're going on about is a distinct advantage, engage brain before opening mouth.

Vanessa Smith ● 3831d

It tells us rather a lot about the way in which Hounslow Council operates, that officers can presume to lecture residents about the best way to manage a piece of ground in Isleworth when they think it (the ground, or maybe Isleworth itself) is in Feltham.It is for this reason that we elect local councillors - people who live in the area or at least who have a close affinity with it and are thereby possessed of a better understanding of the needs and wishes of the local people  (I have my own issues about such people serving a political party which often brings them into conflict with the very people they were elected to represent, but that is a discussion for another day).Whilst the general expertise of officers in their respective fields must be respected, elected members need to provide the local guidance and, if needs be, the authority to makes things happen in a way that best serves the interests of the people whom they were elected to represent (and councillors need reminding that they are in fact elected to represent their constituents rather than the organisation they happen to be a part of, however important and special their association with such may make them feel - or in certain cases their own personal mates or associates).All of this is really to state the obvious, but it is because this has patently not happened in this instance that things have gone awry.  And it is because elected members feel secure in the fact that they are sitting on large majorities and in any event do not have to go to the polls again for nearly three and a half years that they can afford to sit back, pat each other's backs and cover their rears, and scoff at the predicament in which residents find themselves.The only person within this group who really should be concerned is the parliamentary candidate, but evidently she isn't.

Phil Andrews ● 3834d

I've been following this discussion with interest this evening but I'm afraid the direction it has taken has only added to my confusion.Wendy, is Vanessa correct in saying that you are an employee of Fusion Lifestyle, the private company which is contracted to manage the London Borough of Hounslow's leisure portfolio?If so I would respectfully suggest that your intervention in this discussion in such a clearly partisan way is outrageous to the point of surreality, but more than that it is enlightening in the sense of providing us with a clear demonstration of the present Council leadership's approach to officer impartiality as well as removing any lingering flicker of doubt as to who is actually running the show at Lampton Road these days.Additionally, you appear utterly oblivious to your duty to consult, or to the role in which citizens are entitled to expect to be able to play in a democratic society.  Your earlier reference to this being about "controlling people" really couldn't have personified the prevailing mindset any better.As I am beginning to understand it the pros and cons of horse grazing are becoming ever more peripheral to this discussion.  The general public are entitled to expect honesty and openness from both elected members and paid officers (including contractors) of the local authority to which they pay their Council Tax.  Instead it seems increasingly the case that their valid concerns are being met with an overwhelming conspiracy of silence interspersed with obfuscation embracing officers at all levels as well as ward councillors and other elected members all the way up to and including the Council Leader in an attempt to face down residents and wear them out.In all my time of working as an activist within the community, including twelve years as an elected member, I don't think I have ever witnessed such a widespread and all-embracing display of collective and wilful deception.Did the "Lead Ward Member" authorise the delegated decision or not?  Vanessa tells us that in a conversation with her she claimed not to have done.  If this is the case Mr Walsh has fabricated her consent and should be summarily dismissed from the local authority's employment for a clear act of gross misconduct.  I would be interested to know whether the member in question will be pressing for such action to be taken, or if not why not?

Phil Andrews ● 3835d

From Brendon WalshDirector of Regeneration, Economic Development and EnvironmentHounslow CouncilIn response to the various points raised in your posting, delegated authority was granted to me by council to make decisions about the granting of licences.                                    We looked carefully at other areas of land in the immediate vicinity and, whilst we recognise that this space is popular with some residents, we concluded that there are other areas of open land that are better able to provide amenity space such as nearby Redlees Park, and that our limited resources are better invested in these spaces; The annual cost of maintaining open land at Northcote Avenue is £2,000 per annum.The council will no longer be able to maintain all land to the current standard because of the significant reduction in budget from central Government. This has been widely reported in the press, but within Hounslow the level of saving we are having to make is £59million over the next four years. I am sure that you will appreciate that this puts us in a position where difficult and unpopular decisions are now having to be made.The decision to allow the space to be grazed by horses allows the council to generate an income stream which can ensure investment in other local and better quality pieces of land such as Redlees Park.We will keep this parcel of land under review for the next 12 months.I am sorry that this decision has caused some unhappiness and will be willing to talk through the circumstances which we now face if local people feel this is worthwhile.Brendon Walsh

Corporate Communications ● 3835d

The Leader of the council - Cllr. Curran did confirm to me that it should be the Lead Member with cabinet responsibility who should indeed sign a Chief Officer Delegated Authority. He said he would expect that Lead Member to do this in consultation with local ward councillors, from what I have been able to glean, from the outset the Lead member has been airbrushed out of the whole matter. The question is, exactly what was Cllr. Sampson's role in this? Her name is on the delegated authority, although she has denied to me that she sanctioned this?I doubt Cllr. Curran could have been more offensive with the tone of his e-mail had he really tried, it was obvious from the wording that he considered the whole matter to be a small irritant and we should all get over it.So far we have come up against a web of buck passing, blame, bully-boy tactics and lies. The council have - if you will pardon the pun, driven a coach and horses through their own 'local plan' which designates this area as 'open space', neither do they seem to have had due regard to their own 'Strategic Property' decision making process.This requires all strategic property matters that require "CLT, Cabinet, Single Member or Borough Council decisions to be made in compliance with the approved Property Strategy and taken through SLAB (Strategic Land and Buildings group) to consider proposals before the report is taken forward and any formal decisions are made. All reports will be regularly monitored for compliance."Is there a point to any of these grandiose policies when deals can be struck without a by your leave? There are still questions to be answered, why for instance when this grazing lease can be terminated by a month's notice from either party has this not been done? Why have councillors maintained this situation, even though it has been admitted they got it wrong and have asked Cllr. Dennison to investigate to ensure that nothing like it happens again?There has to be reasons for this reluctance, any consultation they manufacture now will be tainted and unfair unless it can be done with the situation returning to the status quo, namely the park being returned to an open space. Then people need to be asked to decide how best this open space can be utilised for as many local people as possible to derive some benefit from it.The officer's disgraceful and wholly incorrect reasons given to a local resident and copied to Mary Macleod M.P. used his own authority's neglect of the area to justify Hounslow's actions in this - I quote "In this instance this piece of land due to its nature (with restricted access and no active management or advertisement as a park"). It should also be noted that there is an access road that runs alongside the park, plenty big enough for a decent sized vehicle to drive its length, so wrong again. Isn't