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Mark:I will deal with the "chemical spillage" report later..but you're basically wide of the mark in your observation.Regarding the Farmers Market..I have no idea what is charged in other parts of the country for "farm" produce...and so in answer to to your three questions ..my answers are I don't know, I don't know, and I don't know. Regarding your questions 1 and 2 why don't you write to the the Brentford Area Committee Secretary...c/o the Civic centre and they should be able to help. But maybe someone else on this Forum will have the answer.Could you tell me which stalls in your opinion were overpriced..and perhaps give examples?Is it possible that you could also type your messages in small letters..and NOT IN CAPITALS..BECAUSE ITS AS THOUGH YOU ARE SHOUTING AT ME/US...ok?  In all my 12 months on this Forum, I've never received such a bucket of slush throw over me ..and hopefully you will calm down a bit..and speak to us nicely. You have your views....fine. So, just lodge them with us pleasantly  not as if you were my Dad shouting and pointing his finger at bosses at a trades union meeting!I've explained before that better quality goods are worth paying more for in my view..maybe not yours. The Scotch eggs 95p maybe twice the price of M&S but they are three times as good. The "Bristol" Pork pie may have cost 50% more that a Melton Mowbrey at Somerfields...but it was three times better. The apples taste like apples..the pear juice I have yet to try..but at £1.20 a bottle I will get more pleasure and benefit from it than Pepsi-cola at 65pNot all the traders come from a great distance..isn't there a hot soup chap from Brentford? Maybe there were only a dozen stalls...but they seem to have quite a range of stock between them to keep Brentford happy..well maybe not in your case.I saw no wellington boots..nor did I see yobs...I just saw a pleasant and happy bunch of people doing their own thing.All above the law..no noise ..no shouting..no pickets..and no barracking. It was peaceful at Brentford Library too...except the beer cans near the Memorial verges.xxxxxNow regarding the Chemical Spillage report. I was travelling near the hospital last saturday..and I was diverted by Police because there had been a major incident. I was subsequently told by the house I called at...that news had just appeared on their Teletext of a spillage...On returning home..I usually report on matters on this and other Forums.  I did apologize for the subsequent error..and I believe..convey words of sadness.You seem to have blown the matter up .....if I could say..unnecessarily. Indeed you seem to be quite upset that I should participate in this Forum. If you are a newcomer on this Forum..perhaps you are without knowledge about what has gone on before.

Jim Lawes ● 7356d

The lay-out of the market becomes more familiar with each visit.Apparently not quite so many visitors this month..but traders looked happy to me as they packed up for the day.The chap selling MEAT (steaks and chops)near the entrance said that February's market had been really good for him..as he sold me 2 packs of fillet steak for £10. Have them by Wednesday he said...or freeze them for up to six months.Another bag of apples for £1 was an early purchase..and then I rushed down to get those Scotch eggs. Thankfully there were six left at 95p each..He said that they sold very well but most popular on his stall were the pork and game pies. How about the venison I asked. Thats popular too the man from Hicks Gate Farm, Bristol said.Someone mentioned the apple juice stall. Heck, they've travelled all the way up from Kent and via snow laded tracks. Chap said that the bottles of Cox (medium) apple juice were the most popular of all the apple juice varieties. Having maverick tendencies I bough a bottle of pear juice!I saw lots of cheeses around, pieces of fish on grilling sticks, chutneys ,olives, Hot soup, jams,cakes, beetroots and cabbages, leeks ...but no green wellingtons!!I noted that some eggs were being sold without the Farm rubber stamp markings..to indicate source and date of production...as required by EU law! Poor chap at Osterley Farm has had to stop selling his own eggs..because of the cost of the stamping machine and the process...and he sold off all his livestock. The Osterley Farmers stall now has to import their eggs from Ickenham!So, good news..the market will be back next month. Matt as usual looking after the market site. It certainly is a Community asset.

Jim Lawes ● 7356d

Yes I watched that programme and was deeply disturbed by it particularly as I have two grandchildren and Adele who is 5 eats nothing but rubbish.  I have tried everything to get her to taste food and just like the children on the programme she either pulls faces and spits it out or wont try it in the first place AND her father is a chef!  I have several theories on this problem.  I am a child of the 50s and although I can't remember everything we had for school dinners I know that I eat practically all of them.  The only foods I can remember not liking was anything containing suet i.e. steamed puddings (sweet and savoury) and I disliked most of the puddings i.e. semolina, rice pudding, tapioca, custard etc.  Otherwise I eat everything including all vegetables.  Added to this, my mother always cooked a proper meal every evening which may have been anything from stew to steak, stuffed hearts to toad in the hole she was also an accomplished baker and people went mad for her pastries (although not me I have never been a pastry lover)and cakes.  In any event food in those days was always real food there was very little in the way of frozen foods (no one had a fridge) there were no supermarkets (I was about 10 when Waitrose came to Chiswick) and my father would not countenance tinned or packet food of any description.  There were no fast food outlets that I can think of except for Wimpy Bars which appeared somewhere in the late 50s I think.  Therefore everything was cooked from reasonably fresh produce and from scratch.Nowadays, supermarkets rule as do fast food outlets.  Everyone has a fridge and stocks it up with junk.  A lot of people nowadays can't cook even the most basic things and tend to rely on processed and precooked foods to feed their children.  Hence a lot of the comments about the food at the farmers market  being expensive.  On top of that it seems that schools are providing similar rubbish for the children.  It's therefore not surprising they turn their noses up at good food.  That said in the case of my grandchildren they do have access to good food and still wont try it so I don't know what the answer is. 

Bernadette Paul ● 7358d

Hi everyone,This is my first post here as I just moved to the area at the beginning of November. I'm on the 'other' side of the GWR so I suppose that and my recent move makes me 'NEW BRENTFORD'. Ah well.Just a point I'd like to make re the market. I've been to it Nov, Dec and Feb and will be going on saturday as well. I have found that some of the produce is a little more expensive but have treated myself to a couple of things from the costlier stalls (and thoroughly enjoyed what I bought-some very nice cheese, quince jelly and a little bit of venison). Last month, however, my wife and I spent around £60 on meat from the stall just as you go in on the right. We also purchased around £5 worth of veg. This coupled with some other vegetables and spices, etc we bought elsewhere (at around £10) has made our dinner for the last month. We also still have several things left over.Having moved down here from Scotland, where we had several farms nearby with their own shops, I can assure everyone that compared to the prices up north, this market is very reasonable. The costlier items I have found to be of a superior quality which is understandably reflected in the price. As they say, you get what you pay for.And before anyone queries how I know the difference in quality, can I just say, I trained as a chef for two years.This doesn't make me an expert, I know, but I do know good quality food when I taste it.Also, being Scottish and miserly, I don't like spending cash if I can help it.So if anybody wants to buy me a drink after the market, I'll be sure to not buy you one back (only joking).Thanks for listening to me rabbit on.

Jamie Yardley ● 7360d

MarkBrentford has had a Market from aprox 1903, but do you really want to return Brentford to this state,The decline of large industries made more land available. A plan of 1959 for comprehensive rebuilding on the waterworks site came to nothing, but land was appropriated from 1966 by Hounslow L.B. for tower blocks containing 528 flats. In 1978 the north side of Green Dragon Lane had been cleared and Brentford dock replaced by a housing estate of the G.L.C., where the building of flats was far advanced. Although the closure of the gasworks had stimulated plans to make use of the waterfront, the long narrow strip between road and river was still vacant. Brentford was called depressed and depressing in 1975. Much remained to be done in western and southern New Brentford and at Kew bridge in 1978, when the town had ceased to be a centre of industry or trade and was inhabited mainly by council tenants, who worked elsewhere and often shopped in Ealing or Chiswick.The scene in 1978 was of decaying slums and empty sites, juxtaposed with the select Butts and new municipal housing. Near Brentford bridge little weatherboarded houses awaited clearance; to the south the Ham was a wasteland beside car-repair workshops and the redundant St. Lawrence's church. There was little activity along the banks of the Brent or most of the Thames waterfront. The alleys, no longer lined with cottages and sometimes overgrown, led to wharfs that were often deserted, the few exceptions including DRG's new warehousing in Ferry Lane and the Thames & General Lighterage Co.'s barge repair yards. High walls and factories lined the southern side of High Street. On the northern side older properties survived west of Market Place, while chiefly modern building stretched as far east as North Road. Beyond, Mrs. Trimmer's school and the former St. George's church, the gasholders, and the waterworks buildings were all undisturbed, as were the shabby Kew Bridge Road and the disused Brentford Market.You can read the full History of Brentford's Growth Click Here for Article Believe me I'm one of the first people who wants to save what's left of Brentford, but a small Farmers Market can only help build a community spirit between old and new residents, so we speak with one voice instead of remaining divided as it is at the moment.

Paul Allen ● 7362d

I haven't been to the farmers market in Brentford, but I would not be ashamed of my lovely pink spotted Hawkshead wellies (special offer £10 a pair by mail order).It is nice to have a choice of different places to shop and markets offer the broadest opportunity for that don't you think?  With shopping centres stuffed full of the same shops so that each town looks the same, markets are really missed in the community.I have been (jolly hockey sticks!) shopping in Guildford at their market and found some very reasonably priced goods and unusual ones which you just don't see in the 'cloned' shops.Home made food always goes down very well, everywhere, and a lot of the produce, genuinely home grown, does taste much better.  Remember Jim, the conversations we had about the shop at Osterley?  I bought carrots which tasted so lovely, everyone was remarking on them - now how often do you hear teens say oh what lovely tasting carrots...? never in our case, with the supermarket food!I loved the craft fairs in Ealing, in that square which was called the Bentalls centre.  Gave a chance to browse and buy and often to meet the person who had made the crafts too.In December we visited Nottingham and the German fair in the town square.  Spent ages and I nearly wrote a thread about it, having 'bought presents back' for forum people, which included some diabetic (traditional German cake, whatsitcalled?) stollen, for Jim.  Some hand made silver earrings (long dangly ones) for Ann in Ireland.  I can't remember what I bought back for Gerry, but there was a beautiful beaded handbag for Vanessa which would have been useful for swinging around and clobbering some of the mutters she comes across.  Next time, I will bring one back for Corinna, too.  I confess I bought a deamcatcher for me.  The rest of you had German sausages barbecued on a real street brazier (eat your hearts, out down under) and people really milled around and chatted.I did make a little faux pas, and t'was very embarrassed.  The girl in front, at the crepe stall, was ordering and watching her crepe made up and after the nuttella on they poured - smarties!  "ugh!" - which came out of my mouth rather loudly - who said that?  I tried to turn round to see .....  she took it in good spirit and we then had a conversation about sugar kicks.Must say I am glad the Brentford Troll only pops up on rare occasions.  There is always a spoilsport around … ?    ;-)

Sarah Felstead ● 7363d

"THATS FINE BUT PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF BRENTFORD. IF PEOPLE READ THE HISTORY OF BRENTFORD IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A "WORKING MANS" PLACE."Now Brentford covers a large area...it goes almost to Boston Manor station..and west almost to Gillette Corner(Syon Hill..if you like the historical)..so..what areas do you want kept as a "working man's place"Heck, even Brick Lane E1 is on the up..and these guys want Distillery Walk to become a Conservation area!There is no doubt that the tide is turning,..and the Brentford is being tidied up. Most of us work..but I think I know what you mean.  But Brentford is liken to stagnant porridge ..in parts...and things will be slow.Magnificient historical places in Brentford,like Syon Park, Brentford Station ;0),Kew Steam Museum, grand house in the Butts area and Boston Manor Road, the terrific new Glaxo HQ on the Great West Road, the Canalside walks, the Piano Museum plot, Ferry Lane, and some of the fascinating streets north of the Great West Road..and many many roads are being given a facelift...which your ancestors would no doubt be appreciative of. Even the lampposts in Boston Manor Road are tasteful in dark Brown(?) instead of the normal Council sky blue.  I mean did you allow changes like that? But you're quite right..you are under pressure from outsiders (not me) with great expectations.  But I fear that your hardcore element will scare them away.Explain; How can a Farmers Market cause offence?Do you prefer to buy food at a car-boot sale?

Jim Lawes ● 7363d

Richard and Mark...Well that's two of you in agreement...so there must be mileage in your arguement.Richard says.."THE MARKET IS OVER PRICED AND FULL OF "NEW BRENTFORD" PEOPLE"You must compare like with like. YOU may prefer to buy scotch eggs at Somerfields or M&S with dried out and shrunked eggs...with a rubbery exterior...at say 50p each.(Or 3 for 2 at £1!!)I prefer to buy something properly made,fresh and delicious at 75p.  Whether I wear a Barbour jacket in doing so..(which I don't)..or with my old age person's winter fuel allowance..is up to me.Provided the Market is genuinely selling quality produce...Brentfordians should be savvy enough ..with all the information that is available these days...to judge whether they are being ripped off.On a scale of 1-10, the quality of food sold in Supermarkets ..generally speaking... scores only two points.  In generations gone by..it would have be the norm to buy food, vegetables and fruits from stalls in the outdoors. The Farmers Market stalls are competing with each other too...so any stallholder failing in sales may have to wonder why.I believe the the term NEW BRENTFORD relates to the Syon estate to the west of Brentford Bridge. Are you slurring them? The Brentford area north of the Great West Road on some maps..is also referred to as New Brentford. Are you knocking them too?"PUT SOME SPUDS IN A WOODEN BARREL STILL COVERED IN MUD AND CHARGE DOUBLE THE PRICE THAT THEY WOULD COST IN A SUPERMARKET !!! THE "NEW BRENTFORD" IDIOTS WOULD EVEN THINK THEY TASTE BETTER !!!"I presume you are therefore OLD BRENTFORD?Now, could you help us Old Brentfordians get the Carnival organised? We could have all kinds of floats and stalls....and Coca Cola.. which costs only 3 pence a glass  to produce..we could flog off to those old Brentfordians at £1.50..and with their demin jeans, jackets, earrings and graffiti marker pens... they wouldn't bat an eyelid. Lets do it!!

Jim Lawes ● 7363d