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Transport issues  - Guy Lambert

Hi Guy Lambert,You said you were keen to discuss the transport in the area, so here is my view, and I am sure others will contribute.The good, the bad and the uglyThe good: Many may disagree with me here,  but I think rail link for those of us who want to commute to Central London is , if not good, but adequate. Of course, longer trains are needed because  the service is overcrowded, and we'd  all like trains to move faster, but in comparison to everything else we have in Brentford / Syon / Isleworth, rail is probably the better one of the lot. I read that there are plans for additional rail links (15-year plan), so this could work well for those who live or commute for work into the area.Bus services towards Hounslow (237 and 235) are quite good too.The bad: We don't have a tube station, and probably won't have in the future,  but a frequent bus service from Brentford High Street to Osterley tube would help a lot (H91 service is less than adequate and doesn't connect town centre). There is a bus service to Hounslow East station, but it takes too long due to road congestion. The ugly: Now, the "ugly" is so ugly, that I want to scream at the computer while I am typing it. I am taking about the bus services towards West Mid hospital and Twickenham.If you look at the stretch of the road between Morrisons in Brentford and Isleworth War memorial, there are 6 primary, 3 secondary schools and a major teaching hospital with A&E and maternity units that just doubled in size. There is just ONE bus route that takes you from Brentford to Twickenham, and frequency of service is frankly appalling.I spent countless mornings at a bus stop on London road with my 2 young kids just to watch buses whizz by without stopping because they are FULL. I am talking about 8 o'clock in the morning, well before the start of the school day. We then had to walk 1.5 miles, often in cold rain, and by the time we reached school gates kids were cold, wet and not set for learning. It is pretty much the same on the way back at 3.30 pm. On those occasions we did manage to get on a bus, my kids were pushed about, smacked in the head with rucksacks and I was verbally assaulted by the feral girls from Gumley school. This happens pretty  much every weekday. And just to mention - those buses are now stuck in a car park called Twickenham road, adding up to 40 minutes to a journey that used to take less than 15.This is now. Let's remember that you are about to open a new secondary school at Busch corner, adding 1000+ journeys every weekday to the public transport network that is already bursting at the seams. Someone mentioned 2 more schools at or near Gillette's - true? How about 18,000 jobs planned for Golden Mile? How are those people meant to get to and from work?There is a big push from your colleagues at Hounslow council to get people out of cars and onto bikes and public transport. May I ask, what did they do to improve public transport first? They are about to spend £60,000 of our money on leaflets advertising how we should all start cycling. Don't you think it's a bit disingenuous, when your party's mayoral candidate Sadiq Khan told the press only today that he won't let his OWN two daughters cycle in London because it isn't safe?For the record, I walk whenever I can, but sometimes it is too far for the little kids, or too cold, or they are too tired after a full day at school. You leave us with no options. I can see a big trouble coming your way.In the spirit of "citizen engagement" may I suggest that you and your colleagues start talking to the real people and listen to the problems we face day in and day out.I am not saying that council is solely responsible for this mess, but you need to talk with TFL and try and sort out transport infrastructure problems before approving thousands of new developments in the area.And then there is a death trap called Busch corner junction. People have been complaining about safety for months, but no one had a decency even to acknowledge the issue. Councillors, including yourself, seem to be spending a lot of their time talking about dog mess, potholes and other non-issues, but nobody wants to see the elephant in the room.Please let me know if you wish to discuss this personally.

Marina Thomas ● 3467d15 Comments

To take a completely different approach, and speaking from an entirely personal viewpoint (which in this respect is rather at odds with my professional job), isn't it about time it was recognised that the continuing growth of the capital is no longer sustainable ?.Public transport in the capital is already saturated at rush hour.  I have various options available for my daily commute, but be it by bus, tube or train, all involve being squashed up in a sardine can during my journey.  Trains from 7am onwards are already standing room only by Kew Bridge, full by the time I get to Putney, and over-capacity once the crowds at Wandsworth Town have tried to fit on.  The tubes are no different, on Tuesday night I switched from a crowded Richmond bound train to the Piccadilly line, which was just as bad, and because buses are usually so crowded I walked home from South Ealing in the rain.If I bike into work it's quicker, but it isn't that pleasant, in part because of pollution and vehicular traffic, but also because there's so many other cyclists, a sizeable chunk of whom couldn't give a damn about the highway code, red lights etc.Everyday I walk for least 45 minutes as part of my commute simply to have a degree of personal space, although the pavements are crowded and I find it bizarre how commuters jog/run part of their way to work by diving in and out of pedestrians whilst inhaling pollution...no doubt because their work/commute means they can't find the time to go to the gym/go for a run at other times of the day.Having lived in London for 17.5 years now, and knowing that the population is only increasing (through both natural growth and through in-migration into the city) and recognising that even at its current pace development and infrastructure simply cannot keep up with the demand/need, to me the only solution is to stop encouraging growth within the capital and to start directing housing and the necessary infrastructure/jobs etc. to sustain it to elsewhere in the country.Equally, I'm also bemused (having only recently been exposed to quite how soul destroying) the daily commute into central London is, why so many people actually want to stay here, but each to their own I suppose (I give myself 5 years more in London, but quite probably less than 2).

Adam Beamish ● 3466d

Even as a keen cyclist, it's not really a safe practicable means in such a dense area with poor roadspace, not helped by the appalling road surfaces in so many ideal cycling routes and on main roads. Even the A4 Cycleways are peppered with poor surfaces, never swept and have no adequate traffic signals for cyclists to dovetail with in a safe way.The best thing about Brentford is that bus reliability permitting, there are several good rail and tube connections. 4 tube stations within 10 mins and 5 BR stations all within 10-15 mins.Problem will be Crosrail and the emphasis on it. Latest projections show that 98% of trains eastbound will be full before Hayesand at Capacity by Southall.And that for a single fare has been collected.The real benefit is for those out in the home counties and a revision of services may be needed to have trains starting mid route. Otherwise GLA rate payers may well be more than a little niffed.The best thing in Brentford was the semi fast trains from Brentford. 2 trains an hour and just 16 mins into Waterloo.  Even one an hour would be a bonus .West London is losing out badly to East London on the Transport front. Even Stratford is now in zone 2. Why Richmond, Boston Manor and Brentford are still in zone 4 beggars belief.267 is hated by Fulwell drivers not least because of the dreadful collective behaviour by a certain girls school- nothing new it's been like that for at least. 30 years. But it needs bolstering and capacity on the 237 needs increasing. The 65 is now choc a block with luggage between Ealing and the new Brentford hotels, The 235 should be extended to Ealing Bond Street to relieve the now all day overloading.

Raymond Havelock ● 3466d

Hi Guy,I agree about the trains, other than capacity issues and occasional blips, overall it is satisfactory. Pedestrian  access to Syon Lane was recently improved, and new traffic lights are making it a lot safer for everyone, so job well done here.  Fingers crossed, TFL takes over suburban rail services, so it may get better. I saw it happen when Silverlink was taken over by TFL - they turned around a very poor service in a matter of months. New rail links are, of course, very welcome.Regarding the “bad” and the “ugly”. Recent controversial road closure turned the area between Brentford Lock / Homebase and South street into a giant car park. If you visit it during morning and evening rush hours, you will see frustration, impatience, illegal behavior and road rage. It adds up to an hour to people’s commute and restricts hospital access for patients and emergency services. There is plenty of photos and videos to prove this. Traffic report commissioned by the council prior to closure stated Twickenham road was operating at 100% capacity before extra car were re-routed there. I am not going to campaign for re-opening on this thread, this is a separate conversation, but rather how to mitigate the consequences.If you hope to get people on to their bikes, this is not going to happen. The roads are dangerous and not wide enough for bike users. A cyclist was injured on Twickenham road on the 2nd of Feb and emergency services attended the incident.  Cyclists are now using pavements because roads are just too scary, thus endangering the pedestrians and children. If you are  hoping to get those of us who can out of our cars and onto the public transport, you need to make it easy and more attractive, and not ‘just about bearable’. I’ve run some routes through TFL journey planner, and for me to get from where I live to any of the tube stations you mentioned will take between 27 and 41 minutes. I assume that congestion is not taken into account there. This is not good enough. With Brentford High street regeneration easy access to Tube network is vital if you want to attract professionals into the area and avoid future gridlocks, as road infrastructure is barely coping with current levels of traffic. A bus service connecting town centre with Osterley tube along fast moving A4 would also help those who work at the airport, and make it easier for visitors to get to Syon House and Park.As for Busch Corner junction (I live not too far from it so walk there on a daily basis), its is a real death trap. Due to recent increase in congestion drivers are taking illegal right and left turns on to London road from Spur road to avoid jams. This often happens while the pedestrian lights are green, so only a matter of time before someone is seriously hurt or worse.  I saw the consultation about E8 etc and responded, but this will only help the stretch between Morrisons and West Mid. In my opinion, 267 frequency needs to be drastically improved between 8-9am towards Twickenham, and during evening rush hour (3.30 pm onwards) towards Chiswick. Otherwise parents will not give up driving their kids to school. The new boy’s school at Busch corner will be, I believe, the first CofE school for boys in the borough, so a lot of them won’t live locally.

Marina Thomas ● 3467d

Marina - a couple of observations and a couple of questions.The Good (your classification!)I used to use the train service to commute to Waterloo and I thought it was pretty good. I could nearly always get a seat at Brentford. I haven't been commuting for the last couple of years so don't know how that's evolving. Yes, there are hopes for rail links along existing freight lines to join Brentford (etc) to Crossrail, HS2(etc) at Old Oak Common and Willesden Junction. Plus for a line from the GWR towards Southall to link up with westbound services.The Bad: True we are unlikely to get a tube station, But in addition to those you mention, several buses go from Brentford to Boston Manor, South Ealing, Northfields etc. Pretty good service from where I live (near Morrisons) not sure where you live.The Ugly: There are various proposals to improve services on buses westbound from Brentford which have just been  consulted upon (see https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/e8-110-h28). I think they would help with the Brentford/Isleworth bit but I don't think they would help for trips to Twickenham. Are you aware of these, and do you think they will help, particularly the full buses problem? I have written to TfL about the other 'full buses' problems I'm aware of, namely the 65 Northbound (they are increasing frequency later this year) and 267 Eastbound (awaiting their comments)Councillors do talk to 'real people' -they write to us a lot and we often meet them, and they come to our surgeries. Plus we live here and go out sometimes!Busch Corner, as you will appreciate, is off my patch but I have seen comments about safety recently and I'd be pleased to have someone explain to me exactly what the issues are and when they arise - all day or just certain times? - (and whether there have been actual accidents, or just 'accidents waiting to happen' - not that I'd  minimise the latter as an issue)I'd be more than happy to meet you, plus anyone else with concerns about transport (or anything else in Brentford)

Guy Lambert ● 3467d