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Proposals to Refurbish Brentford Towers

I am really glad the LBH have decide to refurbish the Brentford Towers (article on front page) instead of pulling them down as was rumoured a few years ago. They look in a sorry state at the moment and look rather scruffy against the new high rise that have been built next to them.It seems that LBH are embarking on quite an extensive refit, by cladding the outside of the building, replacing the windows, boilers, enclosing balconies and removing hidden asbestos and hopefully creating 17 more flats.My one concern is with the Lease Holders within the tower blocks, they are surly going to have to contribute a share for their flat within the overall upgrade of the building.I hope they don't end up large bills similar to the projects in Sutton and Reading, and are given time to pay, if they have to pay anything at-all, hopefully not.From front pageTwo public engagement events have already happened. The remaining ones take place at the Ground floor meeting room in Cornish House.On Wednesday 17 May, 3-7pm: Residents from 1-88 Boulton House & 1-88 Wicksteed HouseSaturday 20 May, 10am-12pm: Invited residents from neighbouring properties and any residents who are unable to make previous sessions Monday 22 May, 3-7pm: Invited residents from neighbouring properties and any residents who are unable to make previous sessions For more details please email Sukhi Randhawa and comments or queries to Affordable.housing@hounslow.gov.ukThe consultation ends on Monday 5 June 2017

Bernard Allen ● 3013d29 Comments

You can see the letter here:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2pkHFqX8vbLQm1MVmlBSjFmLTg/viewI am a resident of one of the towers, and that is a scan of the letter as received.I'd also note:1. That during the consultation I spoke to a representative of the architects involved and was told plainly that an important factor in the the cladding was that Kew Gardens had been denied their World Heritage status due tot he appearance of the Brentford Towers... i.e. that appearance is one of the most (if not the most) important factors.2. The consultation feedback form had questions about "visual improvements and remodelling" having a positive difference to the environment and estate. Note, there was not a single question about whether it would make residents sleep more soundly knowing that the chances they would wake in the morning were much improved.3. In a Twitter exchange with the councillor https://twitter.com/buro9/status/875100051609145344 the existing concrete is referred to as "cladding", but no definition of "cladding" as I understand it would imply that the removal of it exposes the reinforced steel structure, but yet that is what you see in the Brentford TW8 sharing of the letter I received: http://www.brentfordtw8.com/default.asp?section=info&page=towers001.htm&cn=cmVwbHk%3D4. Whilst we do have fire alarms and I test them every month, I doubt others do5. The internal services riser in each quarter of the building, that supplies services to the kitchens and bathrooms, is insufficiently shielded from the kitchen (definitely the case in the 1 bedroom flats, may also be the case in the 2 bedroom flats). It is essentially a thin piece of plywood/plasterboard and not a fire resistant thick piece of MDF or equivalent, and it is not adequately sealed around the piping (in the case of my flat).6. The sealing of the fire doors on communal landings seems insufficient... the doors now close (as a result of a review a couple of years ago), but they do not seal adequately.Even beyond real and present risk, I think people massively underestimate the anxiety this all causes.Every time we hear a siren (and we're next to the A4 and M4, we hear sirens frequently) we wake up terrified that something is happening.This has been the case since the fire in Fraser House in Oct/Nov last year.Residents, and I am one, literally cannot sleep in peace.When I attended a tenants meeting, it was plain to me that the majority of residents have long lost hope, and feel detached and isolated from the decisions that affect them. The constant beating of threats in communications, i.e. letters that say you must do this "and we'd like to remind you non-compliance is a breach of the tenancy agreement and can result in eviction procedures" or the sign in the lift that appeared a few days ago "if you get stuck in a lift do not call emergency services as you may be liable to an almost £300 fine"... this stuff all demoralises, weakens will, kills community spirit.People are frightened, to stay, to sleep, to say anything. And through a process of little communication and it's all been harsh or spin, weakened disenfranchised.Grenfell is horrific, but people are trapped. No-one lives in the Brentford Towers by choice. And every person who lives here has a story of how they got here, and every person carries the marks of those experiences. All these communications, all these processes, should recognise that the people here need help and support, not to be told things. And the people here are scared for the future, they need real reassurance that translates into real action.Give us a sprinkler system at the very least.

David Kitchen ● 2984d

Indeed.It is much too early to be certain about the cause of the fire, but what is already clear is that residents of the blocks had frequently expressed their concerns over safety and that those concerns had been ignored. Our experience in Hounslow teaches us that neither of the main parties has much to brag about when it comes to engaging with residents. The attitude of the prevailing Labour Group towards any manifestation of organised resident activity has ranged from indifference to rabid hostility (witness the reaction to the ICG when it was active). Whenever residents have refused to be discouraged in their efforts to organise the policy of the Labour council has invariably been to try to take ownership of the process, where possible by filling the groups with party members who can be trusted to represent the party in the community rather than the other way around, and by insisting upon controlling the agenda from the centre. When we went into coalition with the Conservatives and tried to bring the engagement agenda to the fore our priorities were regarded as eccentric and quirky, with the view taken that they would be tolerated and indulged just so long as they didn't cost anyone any money.If anything constructive is to come from this tragedy it should be that politicians, both local and national, of all political shades, should reconsider their atavistic "we know best" mentality in their dealings with those ordinary everyday people that it is their privilege to have been elected to represent.

Phil Andrews ● 2984d

Ian, I can see where your coming from as well . But my mate brought his flat a long time ago so I don't know what he paid for it.  I think he's pulling his hair out, first LBH were going to pull the towers down, then they they decided not to, now there is the major works. My opinion, it's been down to lack of communication with the residents, because at the beginning of the year they didn't know what work was going ahead.I don't think you will get a mortgage now that LBH has said they are starting work this year.The prices you are quoting are for very desirable new builds, as just lately the conversions have dropped in price you can pick them up from £200,000 to 250,000 further out to the Heathrow area . Also in the middle of Hounslow the office block conversions are dropping in price    You can pick up a few bargains over in the Heston area as LBH has a lot of properties suffering with Concrete cancer, so they are being advertised as cash buyers only. There is a two bed flat going for £159,950 on the Redwood Estate.Until the major works was announced the Brentford towers were holding there own at £275,000 for two bed room flat, which is not to bad for a local authority high rise flatI am getting off the point, I can only guess what some resident are feeling, to have a bill the size that other boroughs are charging is quite worrying, some people will not be able to refinance that amount if they already have a mortgage. OK some will say that what you get for buying an ex Local Authority flat as it was cheaper than other flats in the area, then on the other hand you cant have a go at a hard working person who just wants to put a roof over his families head and that's all he can afford..Anyway we wont know until the work is finished, but as you said Ian it will cost a fortune to scaffold a 22 floor tower block, and the cladding doesn't come cheap either

Bernard Allen ● 3010d

Example of Bills paid by leaseholders in other Boroughs (23 February, 2017) Leaseholder fears ‘record breaking’ bills of £60,000+ for major works at Peckham EstateMathew Barber, who signed a mortgage for his flat in Ambleside Point in 1998, said he and other leaseholders were waiting for the bills to be issued.In his meetings with council officers, having asked them whether it could £50,000 or more, he was told the total would be “in the upper bracket”.But the authority told the News on Tuesday it did not yet have the full costs.“I’ve been doing research into other cases of councils charging leaseholders, and I’m wondering if this could be the biggest charge ever made. We know this could be record breaking,” Mat said.“We haven’t yet been told what the cost will be, but I’m starting to worry could it be up to £100,000?“It’s all I think about now. This could mean me refinancing the rest of my entire life.”Rest of articlehttps://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/leaseholder-fears-record-breaking-bills-60000-major-works-peckham-estate/Uproar in Oxford as 50 council leaseholders face bills of £50,000 each February 8, 2016 On January 4 2016, approximately fifty Oxford leaseholders were each presented by Oxford City Council a one-off service charge bill of around £50,000.The council claims it is reasonable and fair for leaseholders to pay for a major £20 million regeneration project for the five high-rise towers located on the outskirts of Oxford.Shell-shocked Oxford leaseholders responded by forming the new Oxford Towerblock Leaseholder Association to fight the council on the proposed costs.The issue has been reported in the Oxford Mail hereThe scheme, which launched eight years ago initially as a simple refurbishment project costing £4.7 million, has mushroomed into a £20 million major building works programme. The leaseholders claim that since a refused freedom of information request in 2008, Oxford City council has consistently refused to disclose proposed costs to leaseholders.Rest of article http://www.leaseholdknowledge.com/uproar-in-oxford-as-50-council-leaseholders-face-bills-of-50000-each This is why I am worried for the work in Brentford

Bernard Allen ● 3010d