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A possible solution is to re-open Church Street as a low-emission (ULEV) through road, with 20mph speed restrictions and no access to HGVs. An increasing number of narrow London roads are already being redefined in this way (see link below). By allowing only low/zero emission vehicles to use the road the issue of local pollution would be resolved and it would alleviate traffic on Twickenham Road (by a small percentage at first but this would increase as e-vehicle usage increases). This would also ensure the road is fully open for access by all emergency services (enabling police vehicles to patrol the whole road and fire engines efficient access in the event of another fire in Church Street). Installing cameras to ensure this is adhered to and erecting a handrail outside the side entrance/exit to London Apprentice would reduce the risk of accidents further and ensure that only ‘green’ vehicles and emergency ones could use the road without incurring fines.What effect this would have on any business that replaces the garden centre is anyone’s guess but going by the consultation carried out by Paul Mew Associates (October 2016 available online) on the impact the road closure had on Wyevale it’s quite clear that shutting Church Street did have a detrimental effect on the garden centre’s trade. Keeping it closed could deter a similar business from replacing it. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/londons-first-ultralow-emissions-streets-everything-you-need-to-know-as-petrol-and-diesel-cars-are-a3923856.html

Rob Kemp ● 2136d

"Whatever people's opinions of the Church Street closure, the above statement is quite frankly ridiculous, given how the area was already experiencing congestion and associated delays long before the Church Street closure."No it wasn't Adam  - you are quite wrong. Look at the time of my post. I was on the 267 bus and have been at approx the same time every day for nine weeks because I was on a special project. Thank heavens the project is finished now so I won't have to use the 267 along Twickenham Road.  Never, before Church Street Closure, was the road practically grid locked between 3 and 4pm on a Thursday. As I said before, my wife is a teacher (not rush hour traffic)) and has used the road in both directions since 1998. It is 100% certain it was never really bad before Church Street closure.Also as I have repeatedly stated, hundreds of people are now avoiding Twickenham Road so the knock on effect on St Margarets Road, Worton Road, St Johns Rd, Linkfield, Worple etc has become a nightmare. All because of Church Street. Surrounding roads have become rat runs because of Church Street. Talk to locals; talk to the Traders in South Street to see what they think. Personally I believe the northbound backlog from ASDA up to St Johns Road was caused by the mini roundabout at South Street / Twickenham Road.(since it was changed from being a traffic light)  However, this is worse now since Church Street closure because all vehicles arriving from St Margarets Road have to use South Street instead of the direct route up Church Street. When they arrive at the Twickenham Mini roundabout they have right of way over Twickenham Road traffic which causes huge problems northbound  at Gumley House School.To further compound the problem, northbound traffic approaching Van Gough House gets jammed up past Isleworth library because two lanes filter to one lane at  Gumley House School since the white elephant cycle lane was introduced. So even when the light is green for northbound traffic it can't get across Worton Road junction purely because of the volume of traffic backed up because of the additional traffic through South Street.Not rocket science...Very simplistic stuff and easy to alleviate the problem with a little thought. An intelligent answer to ease the backlog down past the library would be to have a left only lane as you approach Worton. This would allow those who want to turn to proceed without having to wait and wait and wait for the traffic in front of Gumley House to move. I suggested it to the Council when the mini roundabout was first introduced but it was rejected without reason. It would seem that this Administration thrives on intentionally creating chaos for vehicles with some weird third world idea that we will all be on bicycles within the next year or two.

Steve Taylor ● 2640d

Guy,Thank you for posting the link to the Hounslow Council Air Quality Annual Status Report providing an overview of air quality during 2016.As far as I can tell the legal safety threshold for NO2 of 40μ ɡ∕m³ continued to be exceed at Busch Corner (HS67) and continuous monitoring sites experienced an increase of 5.5%, on average, in NO2 annual mean values in 2016 over 2015.Table L. Delivery of Air Quality Action Plan Measure – Measure 3 refers to Road layout improvements at Twickenham Road junction with South Street completed in 2014. The report states - Pre and post enhanced air quality monitoring was commissioned to analyse the impact. Whilst the overall traffic flow seems to have improved, however peak -time congestion still remains and there have been only marginal reductions in NO2 annual mean concentration level.The report goes on to say that enhanced air quality monitoring at this site is being continued in order to assess the impact of road closure at Church Road nearby. Presumably, the report covering measurements for 2017 is due for publication shortly. The Church street closure may not be the proximate cause of pollution, it is a longer term trend as seen below. However, the legal annual limit for NO2 = 40µg/m3 and Busch Corner (only curb side measurement) - 1st month of closure - reading was 97.96µg/m3.2015 (year)74.22014 (year)74.22013 (year) 64.72012 (year)66.52011 (year)63.52010 (year)61.82009 (year) 49.4https://hounslow.app.box.com/s/wyxe2w3gymsiz3xy36pr4knkanm5…Sam Hearn has given some constructive input on environmental issues that Libdems can engage with including:Re-joining the London Air Quality Network;Measures to tackle engine idling near schools, hospitals and health centres;Supporting electric vehicles;  boiler replacement schemes;tree planting.I realise that the council cannot solve the pollution problem on its own and needs to work with TFL, GLA and neighbouring boroughs to address the issue. What councillors can do, however, is to put tribal loyalties aside (at least after the elections) and work together for the benefit of the community in developing measures to deal with these problems.

Joseph Gerald Bourke ● 2663d

I appreciate the theory behind road closures is that some car users will turn to other forms of transport, and I also know that this strategy does sometimes work.  But it is dependent upon various other conditions also being in place, which I understand were absent in respect of the Church Street closure.  Hence my view that it was badly handled, rushed through for all the wrong reasons and conducted in a manner which left local people feeling that their opinions and ideas counted for nothing.  Surely it would have been better to have had no local consultation at all than to have one and then act in defiance of its findings?The mishandling of the process and the inevitable resultant backlash also led to a predictable spat in which all vehicle users would be cast by some as villains, which itself generates more unnecessary bad feeling.  If I may offer a personal anecdote - a couple of weeks ago I needed to travel from my home beside the hospital to Busch Corner, and from there back to my mother's home in Chestnut Grove (in the opposite direction just past Redlees Park).  It would never have entered my head - pre or post-closure - to have made this journey by car, but I am presently on crutches.  I walked (or hobbled) to Busch Corner with a view to catching the 267 back to my mother's.  But this would now have meant sitting on the bus for up to an hour, and so I was forced to walk to my mother's from Busch Corner, and then home again from there - a round trip of about two miles, which on crutches is not fun.  And yet in the eyes, or at least the propaganda, of the pro-closure lobby I would be depicted as lazy or selfish.  This is the mindset which has been brought into our community by the hasty actions of one councillor, supported instinctively by colleagues in a knee-jerk act of political solidarity.There is a real, and difficult, job of work to be done towards alleviating traffic problems in Isleworth and addressing the Church Street issue was always going to be an integral part of that process.  But when a holistic and inclusive approach was called for what we got in its place was confrontation and the needless and counter-productive flaunting of power by local representatives who still lack the maturity to wield it wisely and to resist the temptation to cock a snook at the hoi polloi.

Phil Andrews ● 2664d

Adam,That is indeed a very cynical view of your neighbours and the needs of people struggling to get to work or get their kids to school.I have linked in the original post to the ChiswickW4 article outlining the approach of all parties contesting the local elections to measures aimed at reducing air pollution around schools.Like most prospective councillors, I have no particular expertise in urban planning and traffic management, but I have been involved with a number of campaigns where air pollution has been a critical issue and read reams of reports on the topic over many years.  Perhaps, more importantly, I am cognisant of the need for both expert advice and wide community consultation to develop a broadly acceptable strategy for tackling these kind of problems. Apathy and cynicism are the enemy of progress, Adam. If I find myself slipping into this way of thinking, I sometimes find it useful think back to the words of Theodore Roosevelt, the 26th President of the United States, “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”

Joseph Gerald Bourke ● 2665d

Vanessa, puts the issue very well when she says “There are a great many problems that bugger up the traffic on Twickenham Rd…I do think that Hounslow have to do a lot more work and talk and LISTEN to more local people than they have so far." We can all understand why the residents of Church Street would want to rid themselves of through traffic in the Riverside area of Isleworth.  The problem is of course that closing a public highway in one area simply shifts the problem to an adjoining area as does so many of the CPZ schemes. For the Council to do so in the face of overwhelming opposition by residents living in the adjoining areas; and without having developed a comprehensive traffic plan to mitigate the impact of the closure is both a flouting of democratic principles and a dereliction of civic duty.Regardless of the benefits that closure may bring to the enjoyment of the Riverside area, what cannot be ignored is the increased health risks from air pollution to school children and residents along the Twickenham Road. Ignoring this danger (to borrow a term from the Grenfell residents) is a clear example of institutional indifference.The problem of dangerous levels of air pollution is not unique to Isleworth. According to the Department of Transport, Hounslow has the most congested roads in the country. Our colleagues in Chiswick and across the borough are wrestling with similar problems http://www.chiswickw4.com/default.asp?section=info&page=conschools148airqualitya.htmWe will need to work across the borough, with our Libdem colleagues in Richmond and Twickenham, with TFL and the GLA, and perhaps most importantly, as Vanessa points out, listen to and use the knowledge and expertise of local people, to tackle these issues. Institutional indifference within Hounslow Council is unacceptable to Hounslow Liberal Democrats and I trust will prove to be unacceptable to voters across the borough on May 3rd.

Joseph Gerald Bourke ● 2666d

Agree with you on many points Steve.I haven't gone back to check but I recall that the 267 bus monitoring post closure indicated that journeys along Twickenham Road were taking on average 3 minutes longer than previously, I stress 'on average'.But I would point that when I commuted everyday for 7 years from Brentford to either Teddington or Chersey, most of the time by car, I always had Google Maps running on my phone and it virtually never advised me that the quickest way of getting home was via Twickenham Road, or by St. Margarets Road, it always sent me via Kew Road.  And I know from the times I ignored that just how slow traffic was then in both directions along Twickenham Road. The point being that Twickenham Road was heavily congested back then, there's many times pre 2015 I got the A316 roundabout and there was northbound Twickenham Road traffic already queuing right back to the roundabout.And yep, it does only get worse when more residential units are built, and generally surveys confirm that traffic flows have got slower everywhere with the passage of time.  So, one mindset (which I lean towards without being completely in agreement with it) is to restrict parking as much as possible in new developments, and make it as undesirable as possible to use the private car for short journeys that could be done by other forms of transport.I don't think it actually works, because humans are a selfish lot, but what's the alternative ?.The difference between me and many posters is that I don't use the Church Street matter as an example of a Council ignoring the wishes of the majority - I don't subscribe to the theory that Councillors are duty bound to the wishes of their constituents (I'd never be a Councillor for precisely that reason), and I think it's very easy to just say "oh 72% of respondents wanted x", which reminds me of these adverts you see for beauty treatments when they make similar claims and then in small print it confirms that only about 100 people were asked !.Anyone asked "do you agree to this road closing which will increase journey times ?" they are going to say no. Yet the same people, who drive little Timmy to school everyday instead of getting off their backsides, then complain about congestion and pollution.When I worked at Hounslow if I'd have done a survey of "do you think the Council should take action against breaches of planning control ?", the vast majority in the west of the Borough would have said no, and the vast majority in the East would have said yes.  Doesn't make either opinion right or any more or less correct that the other.Ultimately I'm not massively for or massively against the closure of Church Street, I can see both arguments, whereas I think other posters see it very much as a one way street (now there's an idea !).

Adam Beamish ● 2700d

"I just don't personally think the difference is as great as others do."Adam, with respect you need to look at the whole picture and perhaps not just what you see occasionally, and often off peak,  from the 267.  iPhones and, I think, Androids provide up to date on time info of traffic jams. If you consider a 'northbound' run from the A316 up Twickenham Road - what happens? Firstly by the time people reach Mogden Lane they will turn off to try avoid further delays. Some continue and get stuck near the Shell garage. They either U-turn and go back to Mogden Lane or cut through Dawes Ave or Cleveland / Brantwood to try get through to South Street where again they have to join Twickenham Road. Those who don't u-turn will patiently try to get to Worton Road  where the troubles really start because cars can't get across the traffic lights due to the traffic jams. Many will turn off at Worton Road. The road was recently re tarred but it is already in a state of disrepair due to the high volume of extra traffic it has had to handle since the Church Street closure.OK - so the very brave will stay on Twickenham Road a bit longer and then they too will cut down St Johns Road or Linkfield Road. Anything to get off Twickenham Road!! They will then rejoin the London Road and either carry on towards Brentford or head up to the A4 using a variety of alternative routes through residential areas. The above all causing traffic chaos and environmental problems as diesel fumes are now wider spread to residential areas. Hence my assertion that, whilst you may not personally witness a huge difference on Twickenham Road, at the times you happen to be on the bus, you can be assured that the traffic problems in the whole area have become a lot worse since the closure of Church Street and will become even worse when all the additional flats near Town Wharf are finished. I would concede that the single lane traffic between Worton Road and South Street (after implementation of the largely unused cycle lane) hasn't made it any better as there is always a hold up and severe chaos at Gumley House School. It would probably ease the backlog past the Library / gym if the left lane had an arrow to allow traffic only wanting to go up Worton Road. The same system as they have in front of TK Maxx for cars wanting to take a left down Mogden Lane. Currently people wanting to drive down Worton Road are stuck because both lanes in front of the congregational church opposite Van Gogh House allow drivers to go straight which is a disaster for those wanting to turn left into Worton Road when those going straight are log-jammed and not moving. This has a knock-on effect for the rest of Twickenham Road. Another contributor mentioned that West Middx ambulances are now using the London Road rather than the A4 to Gillettes Corner.  I can attest to that. During rush hour there is a backlog from Twickenham Road up to Gillets corner and traffic can't get across the London Road traffic lights. This is directly the result of Church Street closure because everyone (except the few in Church Street) is now forced to stay on Twickenham Road even if they are heading to St Margarets or Richmond. You are lucky if more than one car at a time gets across the London Road into Twickenham Road next to the Green School because the traffic is totally backed up.   

Steve Taylor ● 2700d

Adam raises the point from another perspective.The hard reality is we have authorities at too many levels who are happy to foster population growth without factoring in fully the requirements to accommodate it.It is being concentrated in urban conurbations but by far, in London & the South East.To a degree that we have almost reached a 24/7 culture creeping out towards the outer suburbs.If just 20% of road traffic migrated to rail and bus, they would not be able to cope.The small freight rail infrastructure has been removed and now largely built upon, leaving only long distance and heavy haulage facilities.There is no space for quad tracking, passing loops or sidings.Interestingly, quite a lot of european countries won't allow developments on disused infrastructure sites in case of future needs. So temporary uses are found.  Something that used to be done here along railway land in particular.So Roads are the only option left for goods and services.Far too many have to commute long distances by necessity, not by choice. Simply because the costs and jobs and living needs do not mesh otherwise.The damage to long term quality of life is already evident but the current insane policies of cramming families into inadequate new housing is a ticking time bomb. Nothing seems to have been learned from the social experiments of the past 50 years, most of which have failed.It is simple stuff. If infrastructure cannot be accommodated without major damage then nor can overdensification.TfL have revealed a 6% drop in traffic in West London. Hard to see where that is but with 7% cuts coming in bus services- even though passenger use has recently shot up, and a claimed drop in Tube revenue with looming cuts to tube services as well, one wonders what is going to happen next.In my view it has to be quality New Towns that are well connected by all forms of transport and attractive enough to be highly desirable.It can be done.  One only has to look at the enduring and highly sought after areas of what is known as Metro-Land to the North-West. Much of which is nearly 100 years old.

Raymond Havelock ● 2705d