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NeilI obtained this statement from planning a few weeks ago. I think it was published here but I can's see it.The Ballymore scheme has planning permission. The proposal is due to be built out in phases, some of which have been approved in detail, some of which have been approved in outline and require further details to be submitted to the Council for detailed approval (Reserved Matters). In relation to the Block G car park, the applicant has planning permission, in outline, for a car park for up to 606 spaces. The need for all of these spaces doesn't technically arise until a certain quantum of development has been built out and occupied on the site. In order to safeguard the vitality of Brentford High Street for shoppers and visitors, the same outline permission required that a minimum of 150 spaces were provided on the site at all times during construction, to ensure ongoing availability of car parking within the High Street. This obligation is secured as part of the s106 agreement for the development. The Planning Committee report for the original permission noted that up to 227 temporary parking spaces would be provided during construction. This same report noted that the applicant agreed to bring forward the delivery of the lower levels of the multi-storey car parking (Block G) at the same time as the implementation of Phase 1 of the scheme, ensuring that the residential development within that phase is provided with appropriate car parking and to ensure effects on parking demand in the surrounding area are reduced.The Council are currently considering two applications at the site - the reserved matters application for the permanent car park (Block G car park) (00607/BA/P4), and an application for the temporary car park (00607/BA/P3) to meet the S106 obligation for car parking spaces retained on site. In this case, the temporary car park is going to be housed in the same place as the permanent car park as approved in the outline scheme in line with the details presented in the original planning report.The temporary car park application was submitted with a higher number of car parking spaces than was originally suggested in the outline scheme (with potentially over 500 spaces provided). This raised objection from Council officers, and the GLA as has been widely reported.  The applicant and Council have been working together to secure a reduction in the number of units for this temporary car park element to 150 spaces to minimise traffic movements, which the applicant has now agreed to. In parallel, the applicant has also submitted the reserved matters for the final car park (508 spaces). The 508 spaces now proposed is  lower than the maximum permittted 606 spaces, with the reduction the result of more detailed design work that accounts for utlities, plant and residential space. This application is also under consideration by officers, but importantly it does have outline planning consent. Any approval for either of these applications would limit the number of spaces to either 150 for the temporary car park or 508 for the permanent car park, which would be within the maximum parameters from the original planning permission.The construction of the permitted permanent car park at this time maximises efficiencies of the site and is more sustainable than providing a temporary car park to later be demolished so, in theory, is supported by the Council, subject to suitable sanctions being imposed that the permitted car parking level is adhered to. It is also consistent with the originally planned construction and phased delivery of the scheme.I would like to confirm that we are closely monitoring work on site and the construction that is ongoing at the site. We are aware the applicant is building out a structure to be utilised initially for temporary car parking, which is envisaged to be subsumed within the permanent car park for which they do have outline consent. The applications for the details of the permanent car park are in and being assessed. They are broadly in line with the outline scheme and this reduces the benefit that could be afforded to issuing any stop notice. Further questions have been raised about the cobbled road into the site and their protection during construction. These cobbles have been relayed following works to the road approximately 10 years ago. The developer has confirmed that these are to be retained throughout construction and in the final scheme and that any damage will be made good. They are shown to be retained on the approved drawings.We continue to work with the developers to assist the development to come forward in line with the existing planning consent, and  ensure that any permissions granted meet the requirements of the original outline scheme. I hope you find this information useful. It is somewhat in planning-ese but I think comprehensible!

Guy Lambert ● 2210d

The editor has now posted a statement from the planning department which I asked for.A lot of what is being said here and other local sites is misleading so I asked the head of planning to provide an explanation of what’s really happening and what the issues are from an LBH and GLA point of view.You can see the full statement on the main page.To summarise:• Ballymore have outline planning permission to build a car park with 606 spaces. (from 2015)• They also have outline planning (from 2015) for a temporary car park of 150 spaces. This was required by the council (S106 agreement) to provide support for the High Street during construction.• They have requested that this temp car park be provided within the permanent structure and this is encouraged by the council as a more sustainable approach than building a temp car park then demolishing it. We are also keen to provide parking ASAP as the shortage of parking in the town is an issue for retailers.• Council officers have stipulated, as have the GLA, that, whilst there is no objection to building out the structure of the permanent car park, use of it must be restricted to 150 spaces until more are justified for residential parking as development progresses. Ballymore have agreed to this.• There are two planning applications ‘in the system’ – one to do with providing the 150 temp spaces in the permanent car park, the other dealing with reserved matters (design primarily) of the permanent structure. This has the additional effect of reducing the number of parking spaces from the originally approved 606 to 508. Various people have seen this proposal – Mel Collins and I had a private session on it – and it’s fair to say there is some resistance to the design. However, as I understand it they will not be completing the building at this stage, just the basic structure, which will be clad temporarily with an awning whilst the design is being finalised, also to fit in with their plans to provide the residential and retail elements (and open up additional parking capacity) of this block later. In any event, that proposal will come to Planning Committee in due course and a number of us have made comments asking for the design to be modified – in particular to make it greener.• Also worth adding – access to the car park during the time it is ‘temporary’ will be via Dock Road. When it’s complete access will be from the other end, adjacent to Heidelberg. They have lifted and saved some of the cobbles from Dock Road to allow provision of a ramp to the temporary access. These will be relayed  (and where necessary restored) in due course.There is no cause to stop development. On the contrary we are eager for it (and the rest of the development) to proceed. The quantum of this development is well within the original permissions.

Guy Lambert ● 2234d

This from the Brentford TV Facebook page.At the heart of the discussion was a City Hall/GLA report, published 10 June, which states: ‘The proposed 508 car parking spaces are wholly unacceptable as they are likely to attract more car trips to Brentford High Street, which is already congested, and will worsen air quality. The proposed five-year time limit would not mitigate the impacts of the proposal to make it acceptable on the basis outlined in NPPF and NPPG. The number of parking spaces proposed must be reduced to no higher than the s106 requirement of 150 spaces for the granted outline consent’.The GLA also states the scheme does not comply with the London Plan and draft, and as such recommends the Council resolves to refuse permission, and then goes on to say it must be referred back to the GLA for decision if the Council resolves to grant permission.Martin Case, of Brentford Voice, told Steve Curran and the forum: "Ballymore are continuing to construct a building without planning permission, and it is clear that the chances of planning permission being given for a 508 space car park are slim. What are the council going to do about this? Can the council please serve a Temporary Stop Notice to stop the unauthorised building works immediately? This would give a period of time for the council to decide whether to serve an enforcement notice to cease unauthorised works, and it would outline the steps to be taken to remedy the harm. It would also give Ballymore the opportunity to re-think their proposals, in the light of the very clear GLA report opposing the works that they have started without obtaining planning permission first."

Neil Chippendale ● 2249d

Every building is not above 20m in Brentford Town Centre, nor are all the new development's proposed buildings more than 20m. Stop misquoting facts that are clearly obtainable in the documents supporting the planning application, or local policy plans. Also, please don't be condescending with regards to meanings of words. I asked a genuine question, in hopes of an enlightened response and some dialogue. Anyone who has reviewed the councils Urban Context and Character Study can see from the building heights infographic that the majority or buildings in Brentford Town Centre are sub 20m, so in the context of the town centre,  4 or 5 new tall buildings is well within a "limited number". Context and Character is inherently subjective anyway, so throwing in "limited number" to the text I don't think really helps quantify an exact number of buildings.Taking a single point from a section called "Context and Character", and arguing it is being violated, seems somewhat ironic. But, if you're arguing against the height of the building, I would have thought a more pertinent approach would be to argue it isn't in line with the councils view of tall buildings (which Ballymore themselves make reference to in proposal/supporting docs). That's why I questioned the tall buildings point of the local plan, which seemed to have been ignored in the preceding "discussion" on this thread.It may however be a misguided argument, as council explicitly states they're in support of tall buildings for regeneration, which as mentioned Ballymore addressed in their proposals and subsequent supporting documents, and furthermore addressed how their proposals fulfilled the variety of other requirements in the Culture & Character sections of the local plan.Also, 20m isn't a "designated maximum height". They define a tall building as ‘any building or structure which is over 20m in height and/or which is significantly taller than the surrounding townscape and/ or which recognisably changes the skyline’. One can understand that in the context of Brentford Town Centre and area regeneration plans, these proposed buildings, "tall" or otherwise, are suitably located, as was highlighted in the above-mentioned urban study.Just a resident looking to join in the conversation on the local regeneration is all.

Adam Turner ● 2305d

"Supporting a limited number of tall buildings in Brentford town centre"Yes, that is in the Local Plan and any one who reads it will tell you that it's a statement that includes "limited number".  This obviously doesn't mean more than half the buildings because then the correct word would have been "majority".  It clearly doesn't mean more than a quarter of buildings either as the correct word then would have been "minority".  Limited number, as anyone who understands our language and has seen the size of the designated 'town center', means two or perhaps three buildings.  So what are we going to end up with?, well every single building above the otherwise designated 20m maximum height.  EVERY SINGLE BUILDING!I don't think the councilors are to blame for this, and I truly consider them to be genuine and honest people who are simply out maneuvered by LBH career types.To draw attention to the type of person I blame for this I think you need look no further than the recently departed LBH director for development and the environment.  Starting with a caveat to ensure he can't sue me, the following is personal opinion which may or may not be true.  Apparently, he cycled to Cannes in the south of France on LBH paid time, spent a few days flogging Brentford to the world's developers as an area where you can build whatever you damn well feel like, then ditched his bike and came home on an LBH paid for airline ticket.  Hotel = LBH paid for, meals and dining no doubt courtesy of developers and I'm not surprised he couldn't be bothered to cycle back after such a fun time.What happened to this ex-director? Paid more than the Prime Minister for his time with LBH, given a £300k golden goodbye (£300k !! of our council tax money) and then walked into a consultancy with the company building the new football stadium development.  Looking at that development, I see it's so far in excess of height and mass limits as to be truly laughable and has ZERO affordable housing because it's tagged as an enabling development to 'enable' the new football stadium, and presumably to enable the whole development to be stupidly profitable to the developers.Private Eye Rotten Borough again.  LBH is rotted to the core because it's run as a fiefdom by people that call themselves Labour but are just in it for themselves.They have over a years worth of council tax in savings and yet jack up our bills and blame it on conservative cuts in funding.  Why not blame the rises where the blame exists?  LBH wants our council tax surplus so it can provide minimum legal public service, pay itself an astronomical wage bill, give itself gold plated pensions, and focus on it's core business of 'take care of number 1 'In my opinion, the councillors need to ditch the pretence that LBH is Labour, go on the attack and tear the whole rotted edifice apart.

Lorne Gifford ● 2311d

Here's the email I sent:planning.objections@hounslow.gov.ukRef:P/2019/1117TOWN AND COUNTRY PLANNING ACT 1990PLANNING (LISTED BUILDING AND CONSERVATION AREAS) ACT 1990Site: LAND SOUTH OF BRENTFORD HIGH STREET BRENTFORD  Proposal: Application for the approval of reserved matters (access, scale, appearance, layout and landscaping) for Plot G within development site known as Brentford Waterside, submitted pursuant to the Outline Planning Permission ref. 00607/BA/P2. The proposals comprise the construction of a ground plus 8 storey building comprising 30 residential units, 220 (GEA) of flexible retail (A1-A3) floorspace, 173 sqm leisure floorspace (D1), 509 car multi-storey car parking, cycle storage, at grade car parking, servicing, plant areas, landscaping, new public realm and other associated works.Dear Sir / MadamThe above proposal fails on many issues for which planning permission can be rejected.  Notably it fails to meet the requirements of the Local Plan:‘The Local Plan requires proposals to respect and enhance the established character, be of an appropriate scale and type, work with and respect the wishes of local residents, contribute to the townscape character, have high quality design and appearance and contain 40% affordable housing.’The size, scale and design is at odds with the wider urban and historic character of the area and the height in particular fails to meet the requirement of the Local Plan, which states, 'there is some limited scope for 4 to 6 storey (up to 20m) buildings along main streets'.  I note that a ground floor with 8 stories on top adds up to 9 and therefore is NOT 4 to 6 stories. I draw your attention to Page 1 of the Local Plan, The Foreword by Councillor Steve Curran:‘The Plan will be used to guide development, investment and improvements in the borough, and to assess future planning applications.’Please confirm your receipt of this email.With kind regards 

Lorne Gifford ● 2315d

I note you still didn't quote the supporting text to the policy which confirms the definition of "tall buildings" as being 20 metres or higher.And that was the only point I was making, by quoting the full policy together with the definition I've added above we've finally got to the point where you've tacitly acknowledged that the Local Plan doesn't prevent any buildings over 20 metres high, which you stated it did.That's the point I'm trying to make Lorne, and although you might not realise it I am trying to be helpful.  As I always say, if members of the public make statements that are factually untrue when submitting representations etc., then any half competent professional will seize on that and effectively discredit them.And I do that in working on behalf of the public and local authorities in opposing development proposals too - I've currently involved in opposing a residential scheme in Worcestershire where the developer has made various spurious claims about how he 'doubts' the LPA can demonstrate a 10% supply of housing supply from small to medium sites (which the NPPF now seeks), but I've enjoyed ripping this 'doubt' to shreds by pointing out that 22% of the residential site allocations within the District are on small to medium sites.  As for your query about Morrisons, I have always pointed out that the 75%/25% designation, which if memory serves me right dates back to the 2008 Area Action Plan, is something of a red herring - it would be totally contradictory to longstanding national and local policy about higher density residential development being in town centres if for every 3 square metres of retail floorspace the site could only be developed by way of 1 square metre of residential floorspace.But, and if you search hard enough you will find posts from me on that exact subject before, it really shouldn't have every been published or left as it was.As for your fondness for the former Director (who I only ever met once), the gamekeeper turned poacher role is part of this and most other businesses.  I spent 10 predominantly enjoyable years in the public sector, but I wouldn't go back no matter for any salary or bonus package.  I deal with local authorities everyday and I see the best and the worst of them, and, having been in the public sector for 10 years, I'm very quick to praise those Officers who are a credit to their profession and I genuinely have an admiration for the way they stick it out - I'm far too 'blunt' to put up with any crap from the public, fellow Officers or indeed clients, but that's the benefit of being a sole trader planning consultant, I can tell clients to take a hike.Indeed, as far as I'm concerned I owe the last 11 years of my planning career to my bluntness in standing up to the last Director of Planning at an LPA I every worked for - being suspended after standing up on a point of principle, receiving a 5 figure sum after an employment hearing, and from that day onwards both employers and clients have always been attracted to me because I'm the guy who dared to stand up to the powers that be regardless of the potential consequences for my career.Equally I feel 'sad' for those good Officers who get tarred with the "useless public sector" tag because of the incompetence, laziness or general indifference of too many of their colleagues, who wouldn't last a month in the private sector but still can hide amongst the public sector 'deadwood'.Classic example this week - a Parish Council has objected to an application of mine, being the proactive chap I am (officially this week I'm out of the office skiing, in reality I've sent in excess of 100 emails, had many work phone conversations and easily spent 1.5 working days sat doing work on my laptop) I immediately sound out the Case Officer as to whether this means it has to be referred to committee if he recommends approval - his response "no, it would only have to be referred if it included new commercial floorspace".He's had this application for 6 weeks and throughout the submission it spells out that the proposals include new commercial floorspace.  I point this out to him, at which point he says "I hadn't seen that on the plans, can you send me a copy, I point out that proposed floor plans have been uploaded by his own colleagues for weeks now, along with all the other documents which repeatedly refer to a new extension.So clearly the guy hasn't looked at the application at all, despite having it for 6 weeks - so be it, but if I then ask him a question you think he might bother to look at it before openly displaying his complete ignorance by providing me with a completely inaccurate response.That's why I'd never go back - I simply couldn't work with such people, and unfortunately I encounter it far too often.  But such people always seem to remain in their posts, probably because individual performance assessment in the public sector is non-existent.  Whereas for sole traders like myself performance monitoring is built in with the ability to generate increasing business.

Adam Beamish ● 2332d

Before I quote the whole of CC3, as most people will no unexpectedly fall asleep reading it, I’d just like to ask about the Morisons. The Local Plan states this specific site is suitable for mixed-use development with 75% of its floor space allocated to retail use. With your undoubted planning expertise, can you tell me how a Tesco metro with 7 or 8 stories of flats above it can possibly be counted as 75:25 Retail:residential?(a) Supporting tall buildings in Hounslow town centre;(b) Supporting a limited number of tall buildings in Feltham town centre;(c) Supporting a limited number of tall buildings in Brentford town centre. These should be carefully designed and sensitively placed so as not to have a significant adversely impact on the setting of, views from and between heritage assets including Royal Botanic Gardens Kew World Heritage Site, Syon Park and the Thames foreshore landscape. They should also respect and respond to the area’s special townscape and heritage value;(d) Supporting tall buildings along certain sections of the A4 Golden Mile frontage. Specific sites will be identified in the (Great West Corridor Plan) subject to the delivery of strategic public transport improvements. These should be carefully placed so as not to create a wall of tall buildings, ensuring they relate sensitively to surrounding residential areas and do not or substantially have a significant adverse impact on the setting of, or views from heritage assets including Gunnersbury Park, Royal Botanic Gardens Kew World Heritage Site, Syon Park and Osterley Park;(e) Preserving the predominantly 2 to 3 storey (less than 10m) building heights across the rest of the borough with some limited scope for 4 to 6 storey (up to 20m) buildings/ elements along main streets (for example London Road), to assist with way-finding and where the opportunity exists for higher density development;(f) Not seeking to replace existing tall buildings which are in inappropriate locations (assessed against the criteria of this policy) and not allowing them to be a justification for the provision of new ones;(g) Undertaking more detailed design analysis including a study to identify spatial sensitivities; and (h) Working with our partners, particularly Historic England and Royal Botanic Gardens Kew World Heritage Site;We will expect tall building development proposals to(i) Be sensitively located and be of a height and scale that is in proportion to its location and setting, and carefully relate and respond to the character of the surrounding area;(j) Be of the highest architectural design and standards; be attractive, robust and sustainable;(k) Be of a scale that reflects their relevance and hierarchical importance when located within a grouping/cluster of tall buildings;(l) Be designed to give full consideration to its form, massing and silhouette, including any cumulative impacts, and the potential impact of this on the immediate and wider context;(m) Relate heights to widths of spaces to achieve comfortable proportions, and provide a positive edge to the public realm and a human scale through the careful treatment of ground floors and lower levels;(n) Provide for a comfortable and pleasant microclimate which minimises wind vortices and overshadowing;(o) Provide for biodiversity within the building form and be sensitive to surrounding open spaces including waterways to ensure minimal impact;(p) Take opportunities to enhance the setting of surrounding heritage assets, the overall skyline and views;(q) Carefully consider the façade and overall detailing to ensure visual interest, vertical and horizontal rhythms, an indication of how the building is inhabited, internal thermal comfort and the visual break-up of the building visually at varying scales;(r) Use materials and finishes that are robust, durable and of the highest quality, with facades providing innate interest, variety and function;(s) Incorporate innovative approaches to providing high quality, usable, private and communal amenity space where residential uses are proposed; and(t) Comply with the requirements of the Public Safety Zone.

Lorne Gifford ● 2332d