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Last night's Boroughwide Police Meeting was held in Chiswick..

Hounslow is such a wide Borough from end to end...from Feltham to Chiswick..that full attendance by all interested (or semi-interested) parties at these Consulative Group meetings is not easy to achieve.The meetings are normally held at the Civic Centre where the facilities are excellent..as might be expected. So the venture to hold the meeting this Monday evening at the Catholic Hall in Chiswick was an effort to attract Chiswickian involvement. An opportunity for perhaps Chiswick's locals to let off some steam at question time..and to hear and see some key Police players at work.Do you remember the run up to the recent General Election and observations made by many of the electorate that Mr and Mrs Keen..our MP's ..."never turn up at certain Civic Committee Meetings" ?  Well, these are the Meeting involved! Its more a case that they can attend if they want to....(they occasionally send apologies..as they did this time)  but I've heard that they might tend to dominate the scene and not enable other attendees to participate or give greater input. But I'm sure questions could be asked of them. Eric Perkins gave a very informative 20 minute talk about the Neighbourhood Watch Schemes ..which flourish in some areas..and died a death in others.  I'll report on another thread.Inspector Baxter spoke about the "Stop and Search" procedure and the related time consuming form-filling..and analysis thereafter by the back-room boys.  Yes they are looking at the possibility of a hand-held PC facility to speed things up.The turn-out on this warm evening was good. There must have been nearly 50 people in the Hall when the meeting commenced..20 on the top table and wings ..whilst there were some 25 in the public seating. The Chairman of the meeting Mohammad Chaudhry had called for a minutes silence at the commencement of business and we all stood and bowed to acknowledge the events of what is now seemingly called 7/7. It was done very respectfully...the gathering from all backgrounds.I've described in detail several times before the extensive list of participants.... Residents Groups, Citizens Advise Bureau, a Local School Headmaster,the Borough's Police Chief and Chiswick and Brentford Station Inspectors and more,Crime Prevention Panel, Neighbourhood Watch etc.It seems that the four Labour Councillors who up till recently were the ones nominated  the Council have been sidestepped. Now they have representatives ..five in total..from three political groups.  So there were some new faces tonight..including Cllr Morgan Watts (Lib Dem)(and he was on the ball) Cllr Macgregor (Conservative..active also ) and apparently Cllr Edwards (Labour) who was absent!A whole host of detailed reports of what is happening in each Police Sector seems to have limited distribution..but is on the Civic centre website if you are interested. The writings of Chief Superintendent Dr Ali Dizaei.the Borough Commander deserves wider readership..the Reports from each of the sectors too....Brentford and then Chiswick.more to follow!!

Jim Lawes ● 7229d13 Comments

"Just to paint the broader picture of the realities here in Brentford:"Nigel and Sarah...thanks for your detailed reports on the reality of "crims" and the seemingly untouchable wayward low life pests. How infuriating.  Hopefully your messages will be read by some of the key people who should be taking note of what you say.I'm about to fill in the on line questionnaire about the Brentford Plan. During the past hour I have been trying to formulate in my mind the kind of housing and the kind of people that would "fit the bill" for future Brentford. The idea of building "social housing" south of the High Street to be occupied potentially troublesome crims..doesn't appeal to me in the least. Keep that area adjoining the River Thames for those that will look after it and not those that will create "no go" areas. Brentford deserves to be rewarded with a splendid riverside environment not a crime black spot.For example..the brand new area at the top of Windmill Lane..near the Southall Iron Bridge..the Ealing Hospital ..and is called Osterley Heights...seems to be mostly occupied by pockets of undesirable people. I've experienced some unpleasant pests there. The traders there and the Doctors surgery have to suffer. What a shame!Imagine a new estate south of Brentford High Street being filled by such "difficult people" who then rapidly create a crime zone, or heaven forbid a no-go area. Just hopeless.It must be difficult for our Authorities to have to "provide" for some of these troublesome types.The current problem areas in Brentford and Isleworth..are more likely to be certain areas of the Syon(Trees)Estate, the Ivybridge Estate, the Haverfields Estate (South Ealing Road), Enfield Raod area(?) and a small area in the centre of Old Isleworth. One never hears of the Northumberland Estate, the Woodlands Estate, or the nicer areas of Boston Manor, or lower Northfields being troublesome.  So I'm not too sympathic to any plans that risk the possiblity of more crime in Brentford especially near the River. Thus, IMHO, keep the social housing within the new Great West road developements..and save the Brentford Riverside for the good life.Good life? Yes, down at Ridgeways Boat Yard..with Nigel and the Canal Community, enjoying the fresh air..and the waterways and the colourful boats..Sarah..you should pop down there. Nigel keep up the good work and see you soonest.

Jim Lawes ● 7218d

Just to paint the broader picture of the realities here in Brentford:Sunday night we were enjoying a quiet drink, accompanied by the yelling and screaming typical of a gang unconcerned with discovery. I was taking as little notice as possible, until the little crim the other side of the fence suggested I investigated, as from his vantage point he could see a gang of youths trying to kill someone who’d jumped into the canal to escape his attackers, who were still audibly baying for his blood.I went up to the moorings by the Ham, calling 999 as I went, seeing only the intended victim trying to clamber up the bank on Syon Park’s side. Other boaters had obviously rung also, and a police pair were soon on the scene, faced with having to take the long way around to Syon Park in the effort to meet up with the 8 strong gang.I have no idea whether they caught anyone, it’s doubtful, yet that was only one of three such gang attacks that night in the centre of Brentford, as the sirens attested to. The depressing thing is, the intended victim himself had been pleading with the local boaters not to call the Police!At least the one incident had been reported, and not by myself alone, but how will that little evening’s entertainment figure in the supposedly dropping crime statistics?Sarah is of course quite right, there is an evident dearth of finger-painting sessions, inner-child relationship seminars, and all such useful distractions from the joys of expending youthful energy in exciting, murderous pursuits.

Nigel Moore ● 7221d

I have read your postings with interest Jim.  We used to have an active neighbourhood watch in this area but when there were cuts in the local Police it appeared to break down, at their end.  I am pleased that it is being brought back but I somehow think that it will need some close selling at public level, it won't be enough just to put up signs and say its back in operation!I do think there is a bit of a gap in what is being done for teens in the area... or maybe there are things being done but the public are not being told enough about them.  I read a comment on W4 ‘Kids Activities in Chiswick over summer’ “… Hounslow does not seem to cater for teenage children at all. I know 15 year old boys are pretty self-sufficient, but they could still do with something structured sometimes.”You will have been aware that last year and this year I have posted many comments about the summer scheme run for teens in the Borough.  Last year the publicity came a bit too late for people to plan the events into some of their holiday arrangements, and many of the courses had vacant places.  It is something I thought should have been widely publicised and by now been expanding to cope with demand.  In actual fact I do not even know if they are running the scheme this year!  I had a wander around the CIP web pages on Hounslow’s web site the other day and could not find one jot of a suggestion that they were.It would be nice seeing these schemes expanded with true community support for the teens and maybe positive involvement with the Police and other public services.  From my point of view having made use of the scheme over several years (and yes, I have passed this on to the people running the scheme each year…) it got the boys out into a college environment which helped them consider and experience other education options for the future.  They were doing skill based courses which act as an interest and possibly a taster for developing their interests in other areas outside the fixed subject inside the curriculum.What about weekend courses being available for teens in the same vein as evening classes for adults?  There are plenty of college facilities within the Borough, idle at weekends.Middle son (when he was about 15) booked himself on a first aid course through Hounslow’s summer scheme, which I think was held at Isleworth Public Hall, and within a few months had used the skills twice.  It didn’t make him into a have a go hero, but when a motor cyclist was hit by a car in front of him when he was at a bus stop, he knew things he shouldn’t do, such as touch his helmet and how to talk to the injured man to stop him going into shock whilst he waited for the trained emergency services to arrive.  A few weeks later he came cross a lady having an acute asthma attack in her car, and again he knew initial steps to take to calm her down as a friend called an ambulance.  Last year they didn’t run this course as a part of the options.I recently saw a front page item about youths on Syon Estate and ASBOs restricting groups of youngsters congregating on the parade of shops there.  I rang the Police number to ask whether the night time groups disturbing people were worse at this time of year?  I wanted to know if they realised the number of children, mid teens, who are forced to fend for themselves in the run up to exams because the schools say they are giving them revision time and sending them home for weeks? ... and whether they are in any way connected.  In year 11, the GCSE year, the school did not run until the end of the term, but finished on the 13th May….. What are these kids truly up to left to their own devices to revise?  If they are off, and away from school, does it not encourage more truanting by younger children who want to join in too?I wrote to my sons school a couple of years ago about it suggesting that would be nice to run taster classes after the exams and before the end of term to allow the children to sample the subjects available at AS level to see which they really are suited to taking, and maybe again widen their options.  I think that setting this age group out on the streets this early is a recipe for disruption and may loose some kids from actually continuing into the sixth form.  The PC who took my call said that he did think that there was an increase in disruptive behaviour at around this time.  This may not be the reason, but if there was just one reason it would be easily solved, so perhaps we should be analysing the mix of reasons, and adapting solutions to them, to help the Police, community and most importantly the next generation, themselves.There appears to be very little the kids are allowed to do these days without being in trouble, especially boys.  I did think it would make a good book to ask people what they got up to as kids as a number of their parents grew up with bomb sites around them and so much freedom.For several years from the age of about 8/9 I was living in a new town which was being built all around us.  The builders went home and left everything as it was, ready for the next day, and we all had the freedom of exploring the houses and sites under construction. Nobody thought ill of our motives and nobody worried about us – I am not at all happy with heights now, but I used to climb up 3 story ladders and run along the scaffolding going in and out of the top floors being built, playing tag and hide and seek and making camps.In contrast I have a neighbour who comes out to tell my son and his friend that they should not be playing outside in the street.  Son and his friend had been sitting on a front wall talking and then they were tapping a soft football between them – not even having a football game – and the ball had not gone anywhere near his driveway.  The whole time they were talking outside, neighbours children were watching them and making reports back to their Father, so as soon as they started tapping the ball around, out he came.  He has told many of the children around here the same thing.We are very lucky not to have groups of idle teens hanging around – but where do they go and what is there to occupy them which is positive?I was very interested in the questionnaires that the Lib dems were sending out to teens to talk to them directly, in the run up to the elections.  I wonder what happened with the information?

Sarah Felstead ● 7227d

I’ve been to borough meetings, and to the last I&B monitoring meeting where we were to have had a presentation by Lt Hannigan, but had a Lt Baxter instead.As I’ve pointed out at these meetings, there is a serious problem in terms of calling on people to do their bit in monitoring and reporting to the Police. When the trouble is low-level crime and nuisance, which is the most prevalent, public, and disturbing, who wants to get involved?When the problems are caused by near neighbours and their broods, everyone will know who’s complained, while nothing will effectively be done, even if incidents get taken all the way to the courts with “successful” conclusions.Criminal damage for example, results in fines etc that do not get paid, - and even if they were paid, the criminal is still next door laughing and/or ready for the next round of torment, knowing nothing at this scale will result in custodial sentences, and free to make life sufficiently unpleasant that no-one wishes to be known to complain.ASBO’s and the like are expensive, and only get resorted to when sufficient numbers of people do complain. When no protection is in place for informants, when those that do report and co-operate with the police are subjected to daily harassment, what encouragement is there?At Ridgeways last year we were the victims of two cases of criminal damage, and the saga was prolonged for over 5 months, bizarrely because British Waterways supported the criminal! Throughout that time, bail conditions demanding that no contact be made with CP witnesses were violated daily. When it involved myself I reported them instantly, but even though Police did come out on several occasions, no statement was ever taken, and no arrests were ever made, even when this had involved rocks thrown at my boat and threats made. Observing all this, is it any surprise that those closest who were also witnesses, tried to back-pedal from involvement?The problem is not just with Police response, it lies with the CPS and the Courts, and this inter-locking system breeds despair amongst them. For example on one occasion when I was expostulating with the local Police over inaction on my reports of bail violations, it was explained to me just how pointless it would be to make an arrest, - no matter how often they’d arrest the perpetrator, “some fairy magistrate” would simply rebuke them and send them back to sin no more! I protested that at least it would build up the record and provide some inconvenience for the crim at least, but had only a shrug in return, which under the circumstances I can understand.One witness in our case was so worn down with daily interference that she felt she could not face the man in court, nor did she wish her original statement read out. The CPS allowed a second statement to be used, omitting all reference to the objectionable nature of the criminal’s behaviour. The CPS were keen for us to take civil action over matters they couldn’t deal with, knowing that at best they would achieve a fine, but have since claimed that they cannot even release material read out in open court for us to use, which I understood to be in the public domain. Under efficient hounding by one very irate lady, they have now gone so far as to write to British Waterways asking for their permission to release a copy of their letter to the court. Without such permission we are supposedly not entitled to it!The court responded to a solicitor’s letter for all such material as was our right to have, but he only received a computer print-out of the results of the trial, containing less information than we’d received already.We were promised by the Police that all records of the 6 months of harassment would be made available, but it seems that once the criminal has been tried and convicted, that’s the end of the story! Of course for the neighbours, it’s the beginning of another round, almost hoping for a further outbreak of sufficiently serious trouble to justify another arrest.But the same problem persists,- who’s going to complain and testify? In our series of trouble there was a charge of assault, but no investigation into possible witnesses were made, and there was no volunteering. Of course later, when because of this absence of supporting evidence the assault charge was dismissed, the two men who had seen it all boasted of how thoroughly the case would have been made had they testified. Yet when they were asked for statements to be used in a civil action, they retracted everything they’d said and refused to be involved!So how will this series of incidents go down in the statistics? A tidily resolved arrest and conviction for a crime that won’t be repeated? There will certainly be no further public support by those suffering the most from proximity to this boastful and obnoxious creep, - they’ve seen the results from the last time.Until such seemingly insurmountable obstacles are by-passed, it is a waste of time to call on the public for assistance, and the statistics will show a gratifying decline in numbers of petty crime reported. This is one of the reasons why there exists the disparity between general apprehension of crime and anti-social behaviour, and the numbers of incidents actually reported.Commander Dizaei’s aspirations, and his appreciation of the importance of public quality of life, are commendable, but has anyone any ideas as to how under the circumstances, he can expect to resolve the issues?

Nigel Moore ● 7228d

At last night's Police meeting in Chiswick, there was a presentation given for 20 minutes by Eric Perkins about the current plans to revive the Schemes..that 20 years ago were regarded as the bees knees..to deal with local crime and allay fears. There used to be 300 "schemes in the Hounslow Borough.. today there are about 80..but this is increasing.  Those Neighbourhood Watch Scheme posters on some local lamp-posts have certainly seen better days in some areas... but a revival is in the pipeline.The whole organisations now comes under a Borough wide umbrella..(Mr David Hardman et al?)....and its all to do with reducing crime..and allaying fears..and suspicions.(It was never like this in the 50 or 60's I'm sure...decision makers today may be too young to realise how crime seems to us oldies..to have actually risen dramatically!!)In the 1970/80's, as  I recall,  groups of residents were organised by a leader...and they compared notes and watched from behind curtains ;0) to observe and report on any suspicious behavior.  Members were encouraged to phone the Police Station direct ..however petty the suspicion. 30 minutes phone delays had been mentioned again at tonights meeting...followed by a 45 minutes by the chap sitting behind me! That won't help this project!  Basically a "scheme" could be small covering say just a cul-de-sac..with 10 members.  Most Schemes were larger...having 100 members and more. Advice is given to all.Eric Perkins lives in Chiswick..and is delving into all the old "schemes" to find out which ones are active. He does a 20 hour week based at Chiswick police station. Obviously current crime awareness exercises and schemes can be tied in with the new Safer Neighbourhood Schemes with those  dedicated Police Officers etc. The ringmaster scheme should be encouraged more too..and a text messaging scheme has been muted.Hammersmith and Fulham have NIL POINTS  no Neighbourhood Watch schemes..whilst Harrow and Ealing have 300 each.So..get those net curtains out of the drawer..if you want to join!!

Jim Lawes ● 7229d

It was good to see new and enthusiastic faces both on the Police Consultative Group Committee tonight and amongst members of the audience.The committee seems to have had a shake up..with five new Councillors now involved with these police matters...having been "approved by the CIVIC CENTRE fortress".!Instead of the OLD four members solely from the Labour Party ..with Chiswick's Cllr Oulds (Con) oddly being kept on the touchline...we now have a better balance. Previously I'd seen some of these OLD Labour members..rush into the Meeting Venue..sign the attendance registar..and rush off out elsewhere. So those Civic Centre attendance records of Councillors at Meeting could be absolute "swaddle"...but who am I to complain! But there's something a little dishonest about that tactic..which the participants think is perhaps "normal practice and acceptable"Chiswick should be pleased to see Cllr Gerald McGregor(Homefields) involved on Police matters..and he is probably an instigator..or a supporter of the plan to expand the current Chiswick Stakeholder Group Police meeting. This is a separate liaison group..Chiswick only..or part or Chiswick more correctly.Instead of this "closed shop" of Chiswick retailers (Town Centre)and a few others meeting the Police on a regular basis..at the back of Woolworths or somewhere..it is planned to involve the whole of Chiswick...and so "membership will need to increase and suitable representation from across the whole Chiswick Sector" sought.Back to tonights meeting. A very capable sounding Lib-Dem Cllr from Hanworth was also there tonight..Andrew Morgan Watts...and also Cllr Lal (Labour..Heston East). In addition Cllr Michael Carman (Labour,Hounslow South).I'm puzzled about the fifth Member though. Cllr Patrick Edwards.does not have the best of attendance records in the region..however many Committees he is on. He laments at Police performance as he exclamed on the Brentford forum recently. He also appeared to repeat Charles Clarke Home Secretary's utterings to the Police Federation Conference, that they,the Police, should improve their performances and that should not not have a monopoly on dealing with crime!! Cllr Edwards has also queried the usefulness of this Hounslow Community Police Consultative Group..so it was disappointing that he was unable to attend tonight's meeting..as perhaps there could have been some fireworks!Amongst the audience..several of whom I spoke to..were some keen and new enthusiasts for learning and getting involved with "whats going on"  Lets hope they didn't suffer too much tonight at Chiswick'S Catholic Hall in Dukes Avenue which reeked of the aftermath of the weekend functions.. stale beer and licensed scrogglings!

Jim Lawes ● 7229d

Chief Superintendent Dr Ali Dizaei..the Hounslow Borough's Police chief spoke tonight of the new dimension in his responsibilities in the wake of last Thursday's London Bombs (7/7).In addition to providing manpower to help the extra teams of Police needed in London ("all hands to the wheel"), Dr Ali also had to re-assure Hounslow's diverse ethnic community that help was at hand to allay their increased fears about any kind of backlash."I was pleased with the TV broadcast ...and the chosen words used...by Brian Paddock"  (a Police Chief at Scotland Yard). " Mr paddock had said that these people were CRIMINALS, CRIMINALS, CRIMINALS...not Islamic criminals"Those words had helped the local police a great deal.A lady from Gordon Road,W4 ..in the audience.. expressed her thanks and appreciation for the work of the Police and support services at this time. There were further praises from members of the Group.Dr Ali reported that he had spoken to a colleague who was working 100 foot below ground at the site of the Underground disaster. The colleague said...down here at the scene is "what hell would look like"Since joining the Borough's Police Team.. Dr Ali has been aware of a public perception that crime was rife in the area..and there was a "fear of crime" . "I wish to let you know that an independent survey has revealed that:94% of residents fell safe during the day//and60% felt safe at nightat night81% of people have not been a victim of crime..and that these figures do not suggest to me that this is a crime ridden area"    Some 30 persistent offenders are seemingly the cause of much grief in our large area. It was interesting to hear that photos of these people are displayed in the Custody Suites at the Police Stations.  To have these mugs shots displayed OUTSIDE Police Stations would require Metropolitan Police approval said Inspector Baxter..and he would like that to happen!Some 66 pages of Reports and statistics and charts accompanied the Agenda for this meeting...and all I call say is that if you are interested to studying these expansive and detailed matters..call Kay Duffy at the Civic Centre..or email her at ...    kay.duffy@Hounslow.gov.ukFinally...a report by Inspector Ged Boyer "The Safer Chiswick Plan" includes the paragraph "The fear of crime can often be exaggerated by reports in the media..so the local press and ChiswickW4.com community website will be monitoredby the Senior Inspector who will reply as appropriate"!That's goodo isn't it?  We know that the Police read these Forums..but in the past have rarely replied. Maybe now..to dispel bad stories and encourage good news..the police will perhaps contribute increasingly to these Websites. The words of Dr Ali will always be a good read.

Jim Lawes ● 7229d