A young woman on the BBC this morning when they were discussing L.B. Ealing putting in more of these 'low traffic neighbourhoods' - made the point - that when she got a taxi home, the driver was unable to drop her off outside her house due to the restrictions, leaving her to walk through an empty street. LTNs must be pretty daunting for people walking down them after dark? Similarly pedestrianised high streets. Where there is no through traffic or buses there is little activity. It's all very well the LTN zealots banging on and on about the supposed virtues of these schemes but the drawbacks that have so recently been highlighted seem to be being overlooked. If women's safety is compromised on main roads, fairly well lit and peopled, what will be the consequences of LTNs?
Vanessa Smith ● 33d21 Comments
You may think that but have a chat to your taxi driver next time you use one. They will tell you their caution is a result of the number of PCNs they have accumulated in recent months at a time when their income has already been severely curtailed.
Mark Evans ● 13d
'The Knowledge should mean being able to get somewhere without totally relying on a satnav.'Do you seriously expect taxi drivers to know every single back street in London and be up to date with recent restrictions?I'm sure people assure drivers they could help them navigate to their doorstep but the drivers are clearly concerned about getting back to the main road without incurring a fine. Don't you think this is likely to be because they have been racking up fines in similar circumstances and have learnt to be ultra cautious?
Mark Evans ● 16d
The Knowledge should mean being able to get somewhere without totally relying on a satnav. I'm surprised at residents who live in an LTN being unable to tell the driver where any barrier is so that it can be avoided.Both men and women are at risk!
Philippa Bond ● 16d
it's not can't it's won't.Primarily for the risk of a fine that wipes out a few days earrings and the added mileage.But there is also a culture of couldn't care less towards women from some drivers. When you are tired and cold and just want to get home. The last thing you need is added impediments to what should be a simple safe process.
Raymond Havelock ● 16d
Taxi drivers regularly refuse to take my to her home in South Ealing. They now will only drop her at Durham Road or off Popes lane.The drivers are saying it is too far to get out of the estate and the sings are confusing and don't want to get a fine. If you take a look its quite reasonable to see that their point is valid but not being dropped to your door is not acceptable when coming home form work after dark or in lousy weather.She has logged this 9 times as a complaint to TfL and so far been given a pathetic and patronising leaflet on safety for women and a suggestion to cycle or walk instead of using a taxi or driving.Completely sidestepping her complaints.
Raymond Havelock ● 16d
Philippa, you are veering into victim blaming here. What bandwagon exactly are you accusing people of jumping on? The Knowledge does not teach you where LTN restrictions are and there have been reports of black cab drivers being reluctant to enter LTNs. Mark Eccleston who appeared in the BBC report and then was quoted in the Forbes article supporting the view that any suggestion that women were having problems getting home at night by cabs in LTNs must be bogus. He similarly question the good faith of a woman who posted a picture of an ambulance stuck at an LTN barrier on the Ealing forum and on social media. A significant number of similar cases came to light and then it emerged that Ealing Council had not consulted the Fire Brigade on the installation of barriers.It is very hard to debate with people who will always insist that anybody who provides evidence that contradicts their beliefs must be lying.
Mark Evans ● 17d
There are some preparations in life it is wise to make. Knowing where you live and how to get to it in more ways than one is one of them. This is another bandwagon being jumped on. Taxi drivers should have learnt the Knowledge. If you live in an LTN it is hardly rocket science to tell a driver not to approach somewhere from a particular road but to go via another.
Philippa Bond ● 17d
Not accusing anyone of lying. There are no roads that I'm aware of in Hounslow (or Ealing) where taxis can't access, other than places like I live where no cars have been allowed unless the concierge opens the barrier for many years, or the Haverfield estate where many front doors are accessed from pedestrian alleys.Taxis may have to make a short detour to get to the door, at worst. Obviously, I don't know every street in London but the general tenor of the article, applied to LYNs that I know about, is nonsense. If you read the article you will see that the evidence is that LTNs are safer for walkers (of either gender) - see this, which was linked in the Forbes article: https://www.transportxtra.com/publications/local-transport-today/news/68304/study-links-fall-in-streetcrime-%20and-low-traffic-neighbourhoods
Guy Lambert ● 17d
Did you read the article? I found the tone extraordinary. It questions the veracity of the report because of an alleged lack of rigorous fact checking by the reporter with the suggestion that the woman who gave the account may have been lying. Can I just remind you that this is the 21st century and if a woman raises concerns about her personal safety our first response should be to believe her. Instead you seem willing to go along with these attempts to brand her as dishonest because her testimony conflicts with your dogma.What she actually said is entirely credible because I have separately heard a number of people known personally to me say they have had issues with being dropped off by taxi drivers in areas with LTNs. The report in Forbes was written by Carlton Reid a freelance reporter who is also the author of a book entitled "Roads Were Not Built for Cars". If you really believe the BBC's item was 'cobblers' that means you are accusing the woman who was interviewed of lying. Was that your intention or did you just not read the article in Forbes properly?
Jeremy Parkinson ● 17d
The story appears to be what is technically known as 'cobblers'https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2021/03/18/bbc-accused-of-airing-incendiary-claim-that-women-put-in-danger-by-low-traffic-neighborhoods/?sh=7b3336212818
Guy Lambert ● 17d
No sure what all that has to do with the safety of women in LTNs Phillipa?Why are LTNs enforced at night time if there is any chance they increase the risk for women walking in residential streets?
Jeremy Parkinson ● 18d
Less motor traffic and definitely more speed cameras. The 20 mph that means MAXIMUM signs we have everywhere are being ignored by the small and dangerous minority who seem to be incapable of controlling themselves. I can understand that the Evil Kneivel road signs were not generally found as much as No Entry signs but once caught you would think that people would soon learn to rethink their route.Pedestrians need more space to walk when we are all supposed to be socially distancing and pavements are narrow and cyclists of all ages need to be able to cycle with less pressure from motor vehicles driven by those who think they have a divine right to overtake everything anyhow.It is the big global tech companies that need to be brought into line so that they work for us and not against us. Time to give more credit to those who have learned and know The Knowledge perhaps.
Philippa Bond ● 28d
I agree with everything you say, Vanessa.I don't see this as much as a gender issue as we could all do with safer accessible streets,better lighting etc.
Keith Iddon ● 31d
Quite right Graham. 'House prices go up and residents love them'! How bloody selfish can you get? Never mind that the traffic goes down someone else's street.If these things are so popular why have they been so controversial then? These ridiculous schemes have just been imposed on people by those who know nothing about the neighbourhoods and care even less.
Vanessa Smith ● 31d
That is clearly NOT the prevalent view Nick - most people I know, myself included, who have these changes imposed on them are strongly opposed to them. But I'd be happy if a transparent survey was carried out in the areas affected and the majority view was upheld - unfortunately this hasn't happened and so residents' views were never taken into account prior to making these changes to the streets we live in.
Graham Thorpe ● 31d
Clutching at straws there Vanessa.The fact is, beyond the squeals of the luddites, when low traffic neighbourhoods are put into place, residents and communities love them. They get wide support. House prices go up. Low traffic neighbourhoods are nice places to live - surprise!Councillors who oppose LTNs - lose votes at elections.We need LTNs in Brentford now!!!
Nick Alesoch ● 31d
It's not just women who are being placed at greater risk. Teens gets are being targeted by thugs on bikes and are using the LTNs as perfect escape routes.Blacked out number plates on mopeds and riding with no lights and following people.Yet it is being dismissed in the same way as the constant ability for Cat converter thieves to always evade the Police.Crime is Crime whatever it's nature and victims likewise.Helping it along by ill conceived and naive promoting is almost a crime in it's implications.
Raymond Havelock ● 33d
there are so many unintended, or maybe intended, consequences to these ill thought out and rushed-through changes. the solution for women is clear - they should be curfewed in their homes in the hours of darkness for their own safety, unless they are accompanied by a male family member
Graham Thorpe ● 33d