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I've been trying to work out what ignited the flames of the current upsets..and I believe the recent outbreak may have been started by this thread.Whilst for a long time there have some frustrations on the Forum in getting explanations from certain prominent political activists...like Alan Sherrins (HM Magazine),Mr and Mrs Keen (re expenses)or Vanessa Smith (re a Court case)...the Forum has been going through a bit of a boring patch ..in my view..in that the FRONT PAGE has been dominated by long-winded threads (which few participate in), and too many threads about Fund raising for Charities. I have supported these charities as well but feel that the members should not keep starting up too many new threads...as admirable their efforts are. Whilst Sarah has been a prominent message poster on many subjects over the past year or so, and I enjoy her friendship, I've noticed that sometimes her style of writing is sometimes a little casual and easy to misinterpret. Sometimes there are misunderstandings...not just here but on  other local Forums too. The flippant style sometimes reads odd..not head on. Well thats my view.  The message posted by Sarah at the beginning of this Topic about "poor children of Isleworth" could ..in my view..have been better written and thus not have had the retalitory responses from Paul and Andrew.  Thus the dry firewood ignited, quickly attended to by Phil..but not before other Forum watchers had seen the the wild uprising...against Sarah.  That when it began to go crazy.Personally I feel that we all have a responsibilty to make this Forum as interesting as possible..to respect this wonderful facility..and to protect its popularity and wellbeing. We should be grateful to Neighbourhood Net for these websites.So..I propose less repetitive threats, better lingo, use spellcheckers where you can, and be civil and polite. I'll face the music!

Jim Lawes ● 7130d

Dan Much of what I have just said to Paul I would apply also to your good self.When a Labour politician in a position of some power posted something onto this forum which was absolutely shocking and outrageous, as one did a few months back concerning her conduct in a much-publicised court case, you insisted that we stop even mentioning it because you wanted to see her back on the forum, subjecting us to more abuse.  Why then, with such a partisan attitude, do you expect me to share your indignation over George Burrell's activities?  My view is that George is being silly and that his actions serve no constructive purpose but I do not believe that they are worthy of censure by the ICG leadership and I stand by that.  Feel free to judge me on that Dan, although I have the feeling that you will have already judged me long before this episode.The fact that you blame me for the actions of a fellow committee member who has as much authority in the ICG as I do, when I have always tried to be respectful (if sometimes assertive) towards other users, rather tells me where you are coming from.The ICG has expelled members whose actions have brought the group into disrepute and I have always been outspoken when the need to do so has arisen.  I don't know what my colleagues feel, but I do not consider this to be in the same category and, whilst I sincerely apologise if it offends you Dan, in the the light of some of your more recent postings I do not consider your judgement on this matter to be entirely objective.

Phil Andrews ● 7132d

Paul/DanI must say I don't recall the ICG ever demanding a statement from the Labour Party when David Ewes was doing his thing on these forums, and if we did we certainly never received one.From my recollection most of the invective was coming from people who had no connection with the ICG, and whom I didn't know and had never met.  Some of it was actually coming from his Labour Party colleagues.  I would be happy to be corrected on this, but that is honestly how I remember events.Indeed I recall an exchange of personal correspondence between myself and David during this time in which I expressed the view that much of the abuse which he was receiving, including from certain of his own colleagues, was way over the top.I strongly disagree that a statement from the ICG is called for.  George Burrell is his own person, is over the age of consent and does not need the ICG's permission to post on this forum. If he is barred then, as Justin rightly says, his log-in should be removed.  That is an issue between George Burrell and the moderators.  Why they have failed to do this is beyond me.If George were to post comments on this forum which were racist, gratuitously offensive or otherwise incompatible with his membership of the ICG then I would urge action, but as I see it he is at worst being a nuisance by having a bit of a game with the moderators who will not tell either him or other users why they are excluding him from the forum.George's way is not mine.  I wouldn't have handled this situation in the way in which he has.  But if he believes that he has been excluded for using a relatively innocuous term such as "dipstick" to describe the Prime Minister (who I'm sure has been called worse and probably doesn't read this forum anyway) then I can understand why he might be feeling a bit miffed.  It has been suggested that this is not the true reason for his exclusion but, in the absence of any comment of any kind from the mods, we surely have no option but to take his word for it?Different ICG members have different personalities, like members of any organisation.  I have been called far worse things than "dipstick" by contributors to this forum whose absence you (Dan) were rueing recently on another thread!  I believe that if we venture to involve ourselves in political discussion then we must accept to some extent that others will criticise us.  I have been accused of being disrespectful towards other posters myself.  All I can say is that I try not to be, and where I have failed I apologise.I have no intention of telling George what he can and cannot do and whilst, as I say, he has not handled this how I would have done I believe the moderators have made a bad situation much worse.  I hope that those who have tolerated and even enjoyed the abuse directed by others against myself and some of my colleagues do not now intend to use George's actions as a stick with which to beat the ICG.

Phil Andrews ● 7132d

GeorgeI really believe it is within the gift of any residents' association to invite or not invite councillors to their meetings as they see fit, and I certainly have no desire to force myself upon NITA or any other such group.  It is after all the sign of a well-run organisation that it can operate successfully without interference by councillors, MPs or any other outside influences.My problem where NITA is concerned (and I have told this to individual members in conversation) is that it clearly adjusts its level of co-operation with elected members according to which party or group those elected members happen to represent, which has the effect of alienating large numbers of residents when the association's brief should be to serve them all equally.When Isleworth South (as was) had three Labour councillors, they received the full co-operation of the NITA committee.  When I was elected the policy was only to work with the other two councillors.  Now there are three non-Labour councillors in Isleworth ward there is no contact whatsoever between us and the NITA committee - a situation which I regret but which is entirely of NITA's choosing, not of ours.I have been informed by individuals who are on the NITA committee that this situation has been and is being actively encouraged by Hounslow Homes, and that the association believes its own relationship with that organisation would suffer if it was to change.  If Hounslow Homes is behind it then the Labour Party is behind it, which makes a mockery of Alan's offer to Simon to try to bring the various parties closer together.  Some users of this forum may be aware that a few weeks after I was first elected the Director of Housing at the London Borough of Hounslow, Chris Langstaff (now Managing Director of Hounslow Homes), wrote to me to inform me that I could not expect the same level of co-operation from himself and his department as other elected members, despite the fact that political impartiality in the conduct of his work is a condition of his terms of employment.  Mr. Langstaff has never rescinded this policy despite having been asked for clarification on a number of occasions, and two Chief Executives have allowed it to continue unchallenged.It is my view that Hounslow Homes' activities on Ivybridge are a reflection of Mr. Langstaff's own personal policy towards community councillors, and that the purpose of them is to make it more difficult for us to operate in the role which we were elected to perform.The problem is exacerbated, but not caused, by the presence of Labour Party members on the NITA committee whose loyalty to their party would by definition take precedence over any commitment which they may have to their community.  One of these party members is Chris Boucher, who is also a Labour prospective candidate for Isleworth and a Tenant Board Member for Hounslow Homes (hopefully users will appreciate from this just how incestuous this whole set-up has become).As I stated earlier I would be happy if Alan was able to bring the various parties to the table and thrash out some means of working together for the common good, but the facts outlined above will hopefully go some way towards explaining why I suspect this is not his motive.  My gut feeling is that he will instead be looking for ways in which to try to drive a wedge between Ivytag and the elected members so as to weaken both and thereby to strengthen the hand of Labour/Hounslow Homes on the estate, but I would be happy to be proved wrong.  We will know next week.

Phil Andrews ● 7135d

JimChris Boucher is one of New Labour's prospective candidates in Isleworth ward.His letter followed a stage-managed photo shoot with another prospective candidate and Dave Wetzel of TfL, formerly a Labour leader of Hounslow Council.  They were photographed presenting a "petition" calling for improvements to the 267 bus operation which had almost certainly been decided upon before the petition was devised.A group of residents had previously monitored the 267 service a few years back and had achieved some modest improvements to the service, although it remained largley unsatisfactory.  This is the campaign which Mr. Boucher and the Labour Party were deriding.The item to which you refer was followed up by a solicited letter from a Labour supporter, which praised Chris and his colleague for having sorted out the problem of the 267s and included at least one now-obligatory reference to Ann Keen.  Ironically, since that letter appeared the service has been worse than ever!The whole thing is part of Alan's new strategy of "tracking" every existing community initiative in Isleworth and creating a parallel New Labour campaign, which is sometimes able to call upon the assistance of Labour contacts in other organisations, such as TfL and Hounslow Homes (see the thread entitled "An interesting encounter").The aim of each is either to demonstrate to members of the public that they are helpless and need the Labour Party to do everything for them as they have the "right contacts" or, as in the case of the recent Mogden leaflet, to try to associate the names of the Labour candidates with successful residents' initiatives in which they have in reality played no part. It is of course a thoroughly dishonest and cynical strategy, but in the light of recent events such as the HM Magazine co-delivery revelations, the Brentford County Court saga and Ann Keen's "No comment!" general election campaign, would you really expect anything different from these people?

Phil Andrews ● 7136d

PhilIf you remember IVYTAG sent NITA and Hounslow Homes letter's saying we would like it if we all could work together, if you remember several months ago we had a meeting with HH,yourself and the vice chair of IVYTAG and myself which NITA was invited to so we could sit down talk and hopefully get all groups working side by side for the best interest of Ivybridge.NITA did not turn up nor sent a apologize but told Hounslow Homes to tell us they don't want nothing to do with IVYTAG.Anyway we asked HH if IVYTAG and HH could work together but a few weeks later we received a email from HH saying they wont work with us and they would only work with NITA.So as far as its us that don't want to work with them well as you say its the other way around.HH is so desperate that when we placed posters in all the blocks on Ivybridge advertising our new website HH ordered the caretakers to take them down.When I asked for a explanation I was told the following;The boards are always full-NOT TRUE!The boards are for HH use only-NOT TRUEPosters cant be placed inside blocks on the entrance door's-NOT TRUE as they do it and allow others to do it.But surly the residents have a right to know about all groups on Ivybridge and the boards were paid for from there rent so really shouldn't it be up to the residents who use them?IVYTAG has tried to work with HH and NITA but they refuse.Which is a shame as IVYTAG would Love to be able to support Nita's campaigns and for them to support ours.Simon

Simon Anderson ● 7138d

AlanYes IVYTAG is a monitoring group but to call NITA a resident group is totally wrong I mean they was not democratically elected by the residents!IVYTAG have recd loads of complaints this year regarding this park leading to my interview on the BBC news and the interviews in the paper as you are very aware of.the dog mess in this park is terrible and Hounslow Homes nor NITA are doing anything about it, also Hounslow Homes have removed the swings so the youth on Ivybridge have less to do except hang in blocks up to no good or traveling to another estate causing problems.We have asked NITA for support but we get knocked back a great resident group hey??I actually had a talk with Chris last week and he totally agrees with what I said about the park and agreed dogs are using this park still so hats off to him for agreeing, but come on Alan you all have read about my campaigning on this issue but have anyone on this list you posted contacted me to help "NO"Alan you have supported me this year with my charity events and I thank you for that, please for the Kids on Ivybridge talk to you fellow members of the Labor party to support my campaign to sort this park out...ThanksPS you say if we ask for help from Labour can you explain to me why Ann emailled me asking what support I needed for my Charity Jump, When I emailled her back thanking her for her email and told her what help I needed she never replied back, nor did she reply when I emailled her twice after that asking why offer then ignor me? Thanks

Simon Anderson ● 7139d