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PhilI now can go to sleep well happy that you have said this!I commend you for doing so and think you have hit the nail on the head and realized what I have been saying all Evening on here which you have just stated.I only hope that this brings this to a close and I have personally also asked George to stay off here for the time,  And I think your suggestion is very fair that whilst he stays of you will act on his behalf to sort out all this terrible mess out between George and the Moderators and they see fit to give George a chance and put it in writing (for you aswell) to George what is allowed and not allowed on here and then if he does something wrong and gets booted off again he will only have himself to blame which you and I can tell him so.Also I hope the Moderators will also if they decide to Give George another Chance that if certain people come on here to try and wind George up again the Mod's will ban them for coming back on.I will certainly try to stop George coming on here whilst you and the Mod's talk But like I said whilst he is not on here can the Mod's please delete posts made from this point attacking George to try to get him back on deliberately just to keep him banned I think this is fair!As one of your Supporters Phil Thanks for your statement and between us we might be able to sort this terrible and nasty joke that has made George Retaliate back out for good..I will deffinatly keep my promise that untill you have spoken to the mod's of this site to get a fair decission i will try and keep George away from Tw8.Nite Nite Everyone

Simon Anderson ● 7131d

George posted the following:"It might interest you to know that I'm no longer a member  of the ICG I've resigned from the committee as well as the party Dan. I've done this so as not to give the little Napoleons such as yourself(the other two or three you know only to well)the amunition to attack Phil Andrews and any other members of the ICG."Daniel what you know about me could be written on the head of a pin with a jackhammer. But one thing I hope you and the mods have learned is that I won't go quietly into the night. I would like to thank my friend Simon for sticking up for me and refusing my resignation from Ivytag. I would only have hoped that others had the Gonads to do the same. I must confess to you Daniel that it is very hurtful when you find the Icon of a party that you trusted and believed in turns out to have feet of clay."BTW Daniel it was only a game and I must confess I've been more than a little abrasive towards you and others on this forum and for this I apoligise."Whether you forgive me or not is completely immaterial if your goal along with the others was to drive a wedge between me and Cll.Andrews believe me you have achieved your goal in fact you have scored a hatrick."Irrespective of the fact that he has had a pop at me, completely unjustified and rather cheeky in my view, I don't see anything in such a post which deserves to be censored.  George is indeed a very warm and caring human being, although I'd be the first to admit that this does not come across very well in his postings.Although I stand by my view that he has not handled this situation well, it needs to be stressed that George has been the victim of quite a vicious "wind-up" operation which sadly he has rather walked into.Having been singled out by the moderators to sign and return a letter explaining that he understood the code of conduct, he asked why (didn't we all?) and has not received the courtesy of a reply.  He became upset by this and began to post on this forum in defiance of the moderators.  He posted in his usual, rather abrasive way.  Those who do not know George as some of us do (he is actually a retired, disabled man who has recently undergone traumatic surgery for a very serious condition), perhaps understandably, have formed a view of him from his postings which do not befit the real man.Responding to requests from certain posters, and having had a frank private discussion with George, I asked him on this forum to desist.  He did so.  No sooner had he gone than certain people on this forum - one of whom clearly has quite malicious intent, one only ever seems to post about George, and the other two probably do not even exist - rushed onto the forum with indecent haste to provoke him by attacking him in his self-imposed absence.  George, in my view, should have sensed the trap and walked clear of it.  Sadly he didn't, which made my task of exposing these spiteful characters a lot more difficult.George has been accused of being racist towards the Irish.  When I pointed out that he is Irish this became the "southern Irish".  When asked for evidence his accuser retorted to the effect that "the posting has been deleted and I didn't keep a copy".  Nobody else seems to have seen it, and I strongly suspect that it is a figment of his accuser's imagination.  I certainly have never heard George making racist comments towards southern Irish people, and as someone whose ancestors hail from that part of the world I would probalby have noticed if he had. George has tendered his resignation from the ICG committee and from the organisation itself.  Well, I've thought long and hard about this this evening and I have asked him to reconsider.  He has in my view been guilty of an error of judgement, but it is also my opinion that are far ruder people on this forum whom his detractors have actively praised and encouraged.  If George is thrown to the wolves whose head will they ask for next?  One of them has already suggested banning Paul Fisher, Simon Anderson, Andrew Sibley, Sarah Felstead, Jim Lawes, Justin Harris and myself as well as George (actually I always considered Justin to be fairly critical of the ICG and is certainly not a member, but maybe "Alan Barry" knows something I don't?).  I think Simon is largely right.  There is a game plan at work here.There is a solution to this for those who are prepared to listen.  George should desist from posting on the forum whilst he clears up the matter of the "Code of Conduct" with the moderators.  As his councillor I will happily do this on his behalf.  If (I should say "when") those who have called for him to leave try to incite him to return, I and others will draw attention to their activities.  George should not rise to the bait.  The game plan ends here.In the meantime, if Jim's idea of organising another TW8 get-together comes to fruition, can I make a bold suggestion and ask that George be invited?  I believe most of the decent contributors here will see him in a different light once they have met him in the flesh.  As for the wind-up merchants...well, they can buy their own drinks.

Phil Andrews ● 7131d

DanFirstly the ICG is not my party I am not a member of the ICG how many more times do I have to say it!I know more then anyone what George is like and I never said I agreed with his comments, I said that if you all stopped posting remarks about him he will stop!As to Phil he has his own reasons for not agreeing with George...thats all I got to say on that one.Yes George is a friend of mine and he helps me so much take the politic thing out off him he a nice guy who will go out off his way to help anyone.This year a neighbor of his had to go to Scotland for a funeral he gave this family his car so they could go to Scotland and back.Also when my daughter was ill he was there for me like last Sunday I was just going out the door to take my 3 children home he rang and said wait for him so he would drive the kids home as it was raining, like I said if you get to know him away from this thread he has a heart of gold.I am not going to tell him to stop its not my place to he is a grown man and he would not listen to me.As I said before I am thick when it comes to politics but everyone knows who run this site and I have to say I love this site and lots of people that use it as they have supported my charity work and cared so much about my little girl who as you know has leukemia.But it upsets me when I read I should be banned from this site and for what??  Being friend's with someone you don't like thats not fair you have never met me and I never met you and I wouldn't judge you, and if you were friends with someone  didn't like I wouldn't Blame you for it.But demanding people like Phil to STOP George for the sake of the ICG is bullying as Georges action have nothing to do with The ICG and in particular Phil.If the Mod's came on here and explained in full why he was banned everyone would be satisfied.

Simon Anderson ● 7131d

Hi All,I have just got in after spending the day doing interviews at the Local Hospital and selling Poppy's outside Tesco and read all these Comments!Now I ain't political in anyway but even I have worked a Few things out and I class myself Thick on Politics!Firstly why is people telling Phil Andrews to stop George coming on here? Just because George is a member Of the ICG and Phil is the main man of the ICG whats George coming on here to do with Phil or the ICG?Also Phil should be supporting George not others who have gone out there way to wind George up to make him come back on here if you didn't come on here saying things about him when he had promised to stay off he wouldn't of come back on.I also don't get Phil why you seem to be worried about what these individuals say to you about George or are you more worried that if you stand up for him you will get banned from here?What happened to freedom of Speech?I ain't saying I agree with what George is doing but if you didn't discuss him no more he would not come on here but I think you are getting enjoyment out off it as you know George will bite and if he does you have something to attack the ICG and Phil with.Yes George has come on here and said some stuff but haven't we all done this before on Here? He has not been racist or offensive he has just made some catty remarks.Isn't this what all politicians do in Parliament slate each other??I do however feel George is being made the scape goat to start to Quieten the ICG on here as Getting rid of George is a big Bonus for another political group on here!On another note I was placed on A ban wish list and I don't understand why? I have never attacked anyone on here or broke the Terms and conditions most of the time I keep out of these type of conversations.But we all cant agree on everything as it wouldn't make a good discussion panel.So I say if you top having a pop at George he will stop having a pop at you and certain individual should stop thinking of those who don't vote for him and who attack him every day and concert rate on backing up those who do like George!!

Simon Anderson ● 7131d

It is deeply depressing that your response to most debates is to try and frame anybody who has a different opinion to you in a political context. You don't recall me calling for Cllr. Hughes to be sacked but deliberately ignore that at the time I took great pleasure in telling him how ridiculous he was. However, his behaviour was nowhere near as egregious as that of your colleague's even though I accept we should expect better from a Councillor.I don't express the opinion that action should be taken by the ICG out of concern for its good reputation just to make you aware that the behaviour is annoying me and others and if you were concerned for your group's reputation you would act. Are you saying there is nothing in the ICG constitution that obliges its members not to bring the organisation into disrepute. You said earlier that you expelled members for having racist views. Whether or not your colleague's rather unpleasant comments about the (Southern) Irish amounted to racism is for you and others to decide but you clearly do have, within the organisation, the sanction to deal with his generally anti-social behaviour.This forum would be a much less interesting part of the web if you were not a participant. I raised the issue of a boycott because it would have been the only rational response if you believed George Burrell was telling the truth about the reasons for his expulsion. This doesn't appear to be your view so I'm pleased you will be still with us.You have made your position clear - you feel your colleague has acted in a cretinous, unacceptable fashion and yet you feel that this is not inconsistent with his continued membership of your group or indeed requiring any official censure. You have the makings of a Prime Minister!

Dan Evans ● 7131d

The Irish vote?  George Burrell is Irish!It occurs to me Dan than in your eagerness to exploit this situation for all it is worth you are jeopardising the image of impartiality and reasonableness which you have taken such pains to cultivate in the past.From Paul's earlier comment it would appear that George hasn't been banned, but has been asked to declare that he has read and accepts a written Code of Conduct.  For whatever reason he has taken this personally and declined to do it.  I might have backed him at this point had he asked me to do so, indeed if all he has done to deserve being singled out is to call the PM a "dipstick" then I certainly would have backed him.  I cannot back him now in the light of his ridiculous actions of the last two days.I have already told you that I do not have the authority to "sack" George (from what - ICG membership?) but you choose to ignore this because it doesn't conform to your prejudiced view of how you would like to think the ICG is run.  Even if I had this authority I do not think his silly behaviour warrants such a drastic response.  I note with interest that when Councillor Hughes was doing exactly the same thing on this forum and on W4 you didn't call for him to be "sacked".  Odd that.George has done his little thing and may continue to do so for a short while until he finds something else to occupy him.  I have made my feelings known to him but I do not intend to conduct business according to the agenda of somebody who does not have any goodwill towards either myself or the organisation of which I am a member.  Come on Dan, as though you are concerned about the ICG's good name!Dan, I fear there isn't going to be a lot of mileage left in this.  Maybe the solution is that suggested by Alan Barry (whom I notice you've also not criticised), that of banning everybody who isn't of a particular political viewpoint?  Your smirking suggestion that I too should "boycott" the forum (you wish!) would certainly imply that this is the direction in which you would like to see things heading.I believe I have made my position on George's behaviour crystal clear. If it suits you to persist with the claim that I haven't then this is something I'll have to learn to live with.  I'll not let it ruin my life.

Phil Andrews ● 7131d

DanCan I deal?  What is it you are asking of me precisely - a kneecapping?  Confiscation of his PC?  Execution by lethal injection?You seem to share the New Labour misconception that I wield absolute power in the ICG and can banish people unilaterally just by clicking my fingers or uttering some magic word.  Whether you like it or not, this is not how it actually is.For the record I think that George's actions today have been cretinous.  He has made a complete dick of himself and has given ammunition to those who will use his actions as a stick with which to beat the ICG.  Those who have suggested that I have encouraged him are either stupid or are being mischievous.  My ICG colleagues and I stand to gain far more from him desisting than anybody else on this forum.However, hidden away amongst his various manic outbursts today is a valid point.  That being, that if he is to stay away from the forum others should refrain from attacking him in his absence.  To do otherwise is the height of cowardice, and suggests to me that despite all their protestations certain people really are getting their jollies from his behaviour, knowing that whatever we do it will reflect badly on the ICG.I suspect it is no coincidence that yesterday saw a record number of visits and postings, and they were by no means all from George Burrell.George, go away - and the rest of you leave him alone when he has gone.  This strikes me as being a sensible solution, and is surely a small price to pay for those who really do want to see normality restored to the forum?

Phil Andrews ● 7131d