Great post from Alison below.Like her, in my 30 years of negotiating this junction I have never seen an accident.....and the traffic flowed!!The original sequencing of lights needs reinstating ASAP.We all need to email Guy, TFL and LBH.Guy.Lambert@hounslow.gov.uk,Cabinet Member for Environment, Highways and Operational Servicestraffic@firstname.lastname@example.org
Nick Jenkins ● 168d80 Comments
For those who don't know, the latest I heard is that Duke's of London are going to move into the top two floors of the car park and that they will also open a rooftop bar. I believe the cobbler and perhaps a few of the other businesses are going with them. Who knows, that car park may be a happening place - hard to visualise but we'll find out soon enough.
Anne England ● 87d
Family member was telling me about the bus drivers on the A4 pulling in to a dedicated bus stop and leaving either their front end or back end out in the slow lane of the carriageway. This means the cars in the queue behind, can’t get past without going out into the middle lane. As the gap ahead of the bus gets longer, the cars from the middle lane all dive in and fill up the spaces. Yesterday, exactly the same thing happened to me! Travelling towards Chiswick the dedicated bus stand in the middle of the roadworks was blocked by the rear of the H91. I could not overtake so sat watching the cars pull in ahead in the gap while I had to wait for the driver to load. The actual dedicated bus stop was completely empty and there was a long space either side, so I suppose he just had difficulty parking the bus.
Sarah Felstead ● 87d
Have to agree with much of what you say on that , I have no idea why they dont use that monstrosity of a car park they built? We all remember the discussions on here a few years back when it was being built ! LBH were very evasive about it all. Funny thing is it was mentioned at the Brentford voice meeting last night on the future of the Town centre.
David Cook ● 88d
Ballymore own Brentford, as everyone knows. How else to get retrospective planning for an ugly and intrusive car park? The contractors also get to park in Morrisons car park all day, making it difficult for shoppers to access it at the moment.
Simon Hayes ● 88d
Not just Brentford High Street,last week there were several Ballymore Delivery Lorries parked on Double Yellow lines at the end of Augustus Close delivering to the Church area and none were issued with Parking tickets! This caused a lot of problems for Brentford Dock residents. Ballymore are supposed to be caring constructors but I have not seen much evidence of that since the works commenced.The Traffic into Brentford was just as bad this morning! Queues back to the Twickenham Road again, although it only seemed to be around the Brentford area where traffic was gridlocked.
David Cook ● 88d
Ballymore’s illegally and dangerously parked lorries have become a feature of Brentford High Street.But oddly, they are never issued with parking tickets.Why?
David Marshall ● 88d
I believe there were two things (at least) contributing to problems yesterday. One is one (that I didn't see yesterday but have seen it a few times recently) to do with large lorries gaining access to Ballymore and former Heidelberg sites. A couple of days ago there was a lorry trying to enter Dock Road and having to have several tries because the lorry was too long to comfortably enter.Near Kew Bridge there is an ongoing (I hope not for long) hole in the road and associated temporary lights, which I understand is about improving the flood drain - a long standing problem around Kew Bridge.
Guy Lambert ● 88d
I cycled from Isleworth to Gunnersbury at 10:45 this morning and the queue was back to Busch Corner. The flow appeared to be moving freely beyond the Beehive. The only obstruction I could see was a large articulated lorry parked in the westbound lane by the Ballymore development. Whether this had been manoeuvring to get onsite, I don't know.
Tim Henderson ● 88d
It was also really bad in the Richmond/Sheen area. Looking at the AA map of London traffic early this morning you could see that most of Richmond was gridlocked. Colleagues coming from the Kingston area through Richmond to East Sheen were massively late. Nobody could explain the hold-up save to say there seem to be roadworks popping up everywhere.
Alison Robins ● 88d
That explains the gridlock, it would make the queue around 2 miles long. The majority of vehicles were SUVs or Fulham tractors with a good smattering of business vehicles, vans and lorries. The Jam affected Twickenham road because vehicles could not turn right because of the box junction and vehicles backed up to it.The Jam was the worse I have witnessed in a while, but hey I was on my bike and didn't affect me apart from the pollution. I only saw 4 other cyclists while cycling back from Isleworth.Its quite obvious the majority of road users are vehicles and with all the over development coming to Brentford it will only get worse as I don't see any improvements being made to the roads.
David Cook ● 88d
The gridlock into Brentford from Isleworth is entirely due to the temporary lights in place for the cycleway works. No other reason.Much of the traffic in the queue was made up of vans, lorries and other trade vehicles, as well as buses. The utopian claptrap from the LCC parroted ad nauseam by Lambert just doesn’t recognise why active travel won’t work for businesses. All it’s doing is driving up costs, making access difficult for trades and deliveries and damaging the London economy.
Simon Hayes ● 88d
Well Guy, you mentioned I was talking utter nonsense when I mentioned the fact about the gridlock this morning. Alison has also pointed this out to the forum and you are now agreeing.
David Cook ● 89d
Sorry, no information. I was originally told it would only be closed at night. Then they would change their plans to get it opened ASAP. They have done the opposite and my last communication on this matter said I fear it will be closed for the rest of the year. They say it will be finished by November but they previously said it would be finished by May. I will keep trying, as will Ruth Cadbury but at least we get a response from TfL. The A4/M4 is National Highways who make TfL look brilliant communicators by comparison.
Guy Lambert ● 89d
What facts have I supposedly got wrong?I quite agree the High St/London Road was jammed this morning - I was cycling home from W Middlesex - but I have no idea why.
Guy Lambert ● 89d
Traffic this morning Richmond/Brentford/Isleworth has been utterly horrendous. Many of my colleagues late for work and "service users" late for their appointments. Guy, do you have any update as to when the Windmill Road Junction with the A4 will be open again? This will take some of the pressure off Nightmare Roundabout - I'm only using it at the moment because I can't go across Windmill Road and I'm sure there are lots of others in the same position.
Alison Robins ● 89d
I'm afraid TfL are adamant that the current ridiculous change cannot be modified because of the law.I keep banging on about it as does Ruth Cadbury and the LBH traffic team (and people on TfL who are concerned about buses).There is a lot of misinformation being put around by the far more powerful car lobby which suggests roads are less safe with cycle lanes, that cycles are a menace to pedestrians etc. There is zero evidence for that.Tanya is right that the plan is for 80% of all journeys in London being by 'active travel' which means walking, public transport or cycles by 2041. This sounds ambitious but I can't see how much is currently 'active'
Guy Lambert ● 89d
Sorry Guy you have your facts wrong again! I cycled past at least a mile of traffic from Isleworth into Brentford this morning at just after 8am.
David Cook ● 89d
Utter nonsense. Unless you're referring to the BBC (where Jeremy Vine works) or a couple of universities where members work and the NHS where some doctors and nurses work!
Guy Lambert ● 89d
Never mind the gridlock at the A4, there is complete and utter gridlock into Brentford this morning from Isleworth with the Queue reaching beyond the Twickenham Road! Why is it the majority have to suffer because of the minority?
David Cook ● 89d
…sitting in the jam today my car was filled with the acrid stench from the generator the workers are using. How do they do TFL work with omissions which would take a car off the road for destruction by way of polluting the air? Do these generators have to go through a certification process which checks their emissions? Obviously not.
Sarah Felstead ● 89d
If the response for TfL remains unchallenged, hundreds of similar roundabouts will need changing as in my earlier post. It has taken me 45 minutes this evening to travel home along the GWR from near Osterley station to this roundabout. Not ok for pollution. Not ok for encouraging public transport. Maybe we need to ask for a list of all the roundabouts that are about to be completely paralysed. We could send it to the Mayor to have a think about.
Tanya Baker ● 90d
If interested, I submitted a FOI request to TfL for the rationale/regulations behind the changes to the roundabout - this is their response: https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-1679-2324Guy, hopefully this provides the info you needed to help fight the change. This roundabout is the tip of the iceberg of repetitive, endless roadworks and poorly considered road changes that do not support proclaimed aims.The mayor’s plan apparently is for 80% of journeys to be made by walking, cycling and public transport and to help clear London’s air and improve health.The most vulnerable road users are pedestrians (especially children, the elderly and disabled persons), cyclists and motorcyclists. I’m 100% behind pedestrians being safer, making cycling safer, reducing pollution and having a great public transport network. Pretty sure everyone would agree.However, all the road changes/roadworks (including the cycle lanes) over the past 5/6 years either oppose those aims or make roads more dangerous for at least one group of the most vulnerable road users. Yet it seems impossible to determine who is ultimately responsible for these failings and hold them to account; is it TfL? LBH? National Highways? The Mayor?Let’s take the endless roadworks. Is there no-one with oversight/monitoring/evaluating on a local level to make sure roadworks are coordinated, planned (where possible) and completed with minimal impact in a sensible timeframe? If not, there clearly should be - the Mayor should probably add this to his aims. It seems that Thames Water, TfL, Highways, LBH etc can do whatever work they feel like with no prior notice for as long as they want. Repeatedly. Works also take an embarrassing length of time. It took a year to redo the paving on Kew Bridge. Twice. How long is a reasonable amount of time to replace a bit of road to create a cycle path between Chiswick Roundabout and the Steam Museum? It took 3-4 weeks just to replace these silly roundabout traffic lights. That’s not acceptable. If it wasn’t so harmful it would be comical. All the while there is pollution from compressors, long idling traffic jams everywhere and buses held up. This haphazard approach blatantly opposes the Mayor’s pollution aim as well as the aim to encourage public transport. So - who is accountable and what is being done to improve this going forward? Then, let’s look at the road changes in Chiswick High Road, Kew/Brentford to support cycling. Cycling should absolutely be safer, however cyclists have been prioritised above all other vulnerable road users and public transport. Trip hazards aplenty with a mixture of kerbs sometimes there and sometimes not for elderly, disabled and people with pushchairs to navigate. Bollards everywhere reducing lines of sight. Roads that slalom into oncoming traffic. Bus lanes - gone, although I note the plan to reinstate. The changes don’t even go far enough to keep cyclists safe. The lanes vary in width, cut across different sides of the road and are often really good for part of a journey but end suddenly at junctions. Is there honestly anyone who can look at Chiswick High Road and deem it a success? Do these road changes support the Mayor’s aim? Not really. It is better for cyclists but not as good as it could be, it is more dangerous for pedestrians, more polluting with idling traffic and doesn’t support using public transport.It is hard to get on board behind strategies like ULEZ when government/councils/others are happily paralysing the roads with poor decisions, choking fumes and no consequences.
Tanya Baker ● 90d
Thanks NickI did get a response in the end which listed 6 accidents with serious injury over 20 years. Of course, serious covers everything from a broken finger to anything short of death. I have now had an explanation from TfL of what the regulations are that are allegedly offended by the previous version of the Ealing Road junction arrangements."This junction is categorised as a ‘signal controlled roundabout’. According to the standards set out by the Department for Transport in ‘LTN 1/09’ (2009) the previous road layout was non-compliant. The nature of this non-compliance is better explained in another design manual ‘CD -116’ (2004).• CD-116 sets out that direct signal-controlled roundabouts must have traffic signal control on one or more of the approaches and at the corresponding point on the ‘circulatory carriageway’. At Ealing Road the corresponding stop line on the circulatory carriageway is missing (see section 2.7) SignalsAs you know, the previous signal infrastructure had reached the end of its serviceable lifespan and had to be replaced with new modern signal infrastructure. The specification for the new type of signals precludes the previous signal configuration from being retained. This is explained below:• Two conflicting green signals cannot be illuminated at the same time. At this junction the circulating traffic movement and the entry to the junction received green signals at the same time. This is known as a ‘green-green’ conflict. • This ‘green-green’ conflict contravenes the safety requirements set out by the British Standards Institute for traffic signal controllers ‘BS12675’• If this method of operation was put into the new TOPAS 2500 controller the site would simply switch off and register a ‘Class AA1 fault’ — which is classified as a Major Fault — meaning it cannot be turned back on until the fault (i.e. the ‘green-green’ conflict) is resolved. Hence, this junction would not be able to operate under signal control at all if the old method of operation was retained."I am still working on this as is Ruth Cadbury and my suggestion (borrowed from a resident) is to suggest we have a stop light for people looking to make right turns from Ealing Road onto the A4, allowing those going straight on up or down Ealing Road to continue without hindrance.TfL had a perfectly acceptable arrangement several years ago, which would have allowed Ealing Road users to continue straight over the centre of the roundabout. This was refused by the hierarchy at TfL at which point Tfl seem to have given up trying to find an acceptable solution.
Guy Lambert ● 96d
"Nick could you forward the accident data you have. I have lodged a FOI request covering 20 years but I have had no response other than an acknowledgement."Guy I used a website called : https://www.crashmap.co.uk/They use Dept of Transport data,You can put in the postcode and a certain amount of info is freely available.I also paid a little bit for more detailed info....but just read it, I didn't save it.
Nick Jenkins ● 96d
Theres also a person who regularly walks out into the road at the windmill road junction forcing vehicles to stop suddenly. Problem is this is causing people to get stuck in the yellow box as it's now a blind turn with all the signs and TfL are dishing out tickets even though it's not full junction.As it's completely closed this chap has been since seen at another junction and is doing it deliberately.I note there is not a single telephone or contact number for these roadworks which have compressors belching out in filtered diesel fumes all day long.
Raymond Havelock ● 109d
This was reported to 999 on Wednesday 16th August but he was still there a couple of days ago.There is enough for drivers to watch out for without checking to see whether a jay walker is still in the road, before they drive off. So many possible bad outcomes for him which will directly affect a driver and witnesses.Approaching a driver stuck in the traffic and popping up pretty close to the drivers window is pretty intimidating too.
Sarah Felstead ● 109d
At 0850 this morning, there was a small queue on Braemar Road trying to join northern traffic on Ealing Road. The traffic jam on Ealing Road went all the way down to the Albany Road bus stop. All caused by the traffic light sequencing at the roundabout and closure of Windmill Road. I've lived in Brenford for 22 years and the traffic jams have NEVER been so bad. We've also had 2 cats recently killed on Brook Road South, one at the junction with Clifden Road and one at the junction with Braemar Road. No surprise, very sadly, considering the speed at which cars/vans/delivery vehicles are now careering along from Windmill Road to Ealing Road to get north of the A4.
Cathy Jones ● 110d
When cycling is prioritized by Dunne and Lambert over all other forms of transport it does not take a great leap of faith to see that they would be more than content with chaos adversely affecting motorised transport despite weasel words to the contrary.
N V Brooks ● 114d
Nothing to do with the LCC apart from many of it's members being associated with other more extreme organisations.
Raymond Havelock ● 114d
I didn't realise that the London Cycling Campaign was a proscribed organisation.Whatit is to be a subversive!
David Burke ● 116d
Cllr Katherine Dunne is a member of the London Cycling Campaign. Says it all really as bikes are largely unaffected by the chaos.
N V Brooks ● 116d
Apparently the total closure of Windmill is due to waterworks - closed until this weekend.
Alison Robins ● 117d
Nick could you forward the accident data you have. I have lodged a FOI request covering 20 years but I have had no response other than an acknowledgement.TfL are still saying it's 'modern methods' but nobody is providing any evidence that it's a regulation.For NV, who raised the traffic lights at BMR I have asked about this and they say all is good. It is certainly not and I am following up with all the other problems.I work closely with Katherine but since this problem is mainly in my ward I'm leading on it. Katherine is part of the conversation as are the council officers but having me, the MP and the traffic team in contact should be enough.
Guy Lambert ● 117d
Under Katherine Dunne's online details it says:Deputy Leader of the Council and Portfolio holder for Climate, Environment and Transport
Anne England ● 117d
The people to emailGuy.Lambert@hounslow.gov.uk,Cabinet Member for Environment, Highways and Operational Servicestraffic@email@example.com@ruthcadbury.org.uk
Nick Jenkins ● 117d
Got caught out by Windmill Road closure this morning - is it connected to the M4 works or something separate? Then got stuck in the southbound jam over Kew Bridge - temp traffic lights by The Botanist. No evidence of any work going on. Didn't think it could get any worse but it has.
Alison Robins ● 117d
There are now roadworks on Windmill Road next to the new build on the corner of the A4. There is no access to the A4, nor can you turn left into Windmill Road from the eastbound A4.
Simon Hayes ● 118d
I completely agree. It really is crazy trying to get anywhere around here at the moment.To be able to leave Brentford in any direction usually takes at least 10mins longer sat in idling traffic. Why it's all happening at once is a question and,as has been said, why are those lights at S Ealing rd junction still so terrible. Number 65 bus is badly affected and I'm very sure people in Braemar rd, Clifton Rd, New Rd and Hamilton Rd have seen an increase in traffic with people avoiding the queue.Definitely need to take action
Jane Ansell ● 119d
Very good Post Tanya,I suggest you put it on the Ealing W5 and Chiswick sites too as it's affecting such a wide area.I have been searching and enquiring for weeks now and cannot find any thing or anyone in authority who can explain TfLs claim. There is nothing that makes the junction " Illegal". It is a roundabout with traffic signals and as we all know it has worked as well as can be expected given the limitations of it.There were roundabout signs and traffic signal signs in situ of all directions for decades But that signage for the junction has been missing for decades, it is seldom maintained ( along with most of the section of A4 under the flyover )It does not have a high accident record especially compared with the Boston Manor Junction, Lionel Road exit and Windmill Road. Usually bumps and scratches from poor use.Lack of signalling by road users is the biggest problems and clear signage.I think we all have a right to know who these decision makers actually are and for a public meeting for them to come and explain with the actual documents that they must be in possession of that declare it's 60 year illegality and actual data for the junction and not the collated and massaged data that TfL have already been rapped over the knuckles for using and misleading this City's taxpayers and citizens.Currently Roadworks are causing chaos and huge delays in far too many local areas and quite frankly just who is supposed to be co-ordinating and putting into place minimising the fallout of such? Heads really ought to roll.Theres not been a single leaflet drop from TfL about their direct project delays or updates of such delays, and certainly no apology or assurance.Nothing from UK Highways about the damage locally to just about anything transport relatedNothing from LBH, Thames water or any other utility company for their haphazard implementations.No active and effective overseeing of poor signage, traffic management and over the top H&S which is nowhere near the workforce at large. 1.On the A4. 2.Brentford High St at Ealing Road3. St Mary's Road/South Ealing Road4. Northfields Ave,5. Boston Manor Road nr Elthorne Park6. Countless residential roads7. Kew Bridge Road/ Brentford High St again.None of which have advance warnings to divert until it is too late.75 min waits for the 65 on a Sunday evening - Is that really acceptable?It is so badly managed that it can only be deliberate.Very telling that only one councillor has had the guts to speak up but the cabinet councillor for Transport and the officers in charge are rather silent.Could it be that it suits their particular agenda and career prospects?
Raymond Havelock ● 119d
Great post Tanya.I actually asked and received the accident stats for this roundabout/junction for the last 10+ years.To summarise, absolutely nothing out of the ordinary for such a busy junction. A few minor collisions, about once a year.As you said I believe there are other roundabouts with lights operating similarly. I went through the roundabout on the A316 next to Twickenham stadium the other day and I think it operated with "north/south" lights together going onto the roundabout.Ok its more of a nightmare atm with the roadworks....but common sense says the previous sequence needs to be put back asap.Lets all email Ruth Cadbury as well as Guy/TFL
Nick Jenkins ● 119d
Mr Lambert, can you confirm that TfL have openly refused to tell you which regulations were not met by the perfectly fine traffic lights at South Ealing/Ealing Road/A4 junction? If they are refusing then a FOI is needed. I’ll submit it if you need me to. It’s just a roundabout. A roundabout where no accidents happened. A roundabout that was helped out by some well-timed traffic lights and not helped out by poor road markings. A small number of drivers didn’t give way correctly but it was mostly ok. I’m no road expert, but I think we all agree that ‘put up a few roundabout/give way signs and repaint some lines’ should have been plan A. A department or individual instead made the decision to select this non-eventful roundabout, remove the traffic lights and put up temporary traffic lights for a ridiculous length of time that caused instant 4-way traffic chaos and a significant increase in pollution. Having then seen how unsuccessful it was they then s…l…o…w…l…y replaced the temporary ones with new permanent lights with the same timing as the temporary ones. All because it doesn’t meet regulations that cannot be shared. If that is the case then TfL have got a lot of work to do. Shepherds Bush Green needs closing immediately. Same with Parliament Square and thousands of other ‘roundabouts with some traffic lights’.This has to be actively challenged. I don’t know by whom or the processes, but having lived locally for 50 years I despair of the appalling road decisions made over the past 5/6 years. Brentford and Chiswick roads are a shambolic mess. Most of the changes seem to be totally unjustified, dangerous and possibly even illegal. Consultation findings from local residents/other interest parties are ignored. Same with expert views. And at the end of the latest fad of road changes, that always take an inordinate amount of time, it all looks worse, is more dangerous for one group of road users, there is more pollution and zero accountability. Rant over, and starting with the Ealing Road junction - Mr Lambert can you please advise on how we can challenge this more actively.
Tanya Baker ● 124d
If that quote is accurate it bears witness to how utterly useless Hounslow's councillors are. She is trying to 'play' both sides and failing dismally. Hounslow invited and spent local taxpayer's money facilitating Lime hire by providing bays. That is hardly 'failing to stop'. If she wanted to stop Lime (which she doesn't) it would be a simple matter to collect every dumped bike mand notify Lime that they would be stored for seven days before disposal. That,of course will never happen while LCC members set transport policy in Hounslow.
N V Brooks ● 144d
We understood from Cllr Lambert that the Windmill Road junction was to be kept open - it's not. And no sign of any work going on.It's a total nightmare. Please can Windmill Road be kept open. And if it can't, a credible explanation as to why not. Don't buy the "protection of workforce" argument, unless the workforce is invisible.
Alison Robins ● 144d
From Councillor Dunne at the Brentford Area forum yesterday evening: LIME BIKES 6: "WE CANNOT STOP LIME OPERATING IN THE BOROUGH," SAYS CLLR KATHERINE DUNNE. "We either have bays and some control or Lime operate at they please and bikes are left wherever people want to."(copied from Brentford Debate not Hate)
Anne England ● 144d
Latest not also forget that Councillor Dunne, "mastermind" behind the extension of the Lime scheme is also a member of the LCC.40,000 hires and, fromm Cllr. Lambert's own post 85% completed correctlyThis foes of course mean 6000 hires illegally completed with many of them dumped. Only four between Boston Manor Station and Half Acre this morning. Open your eyes Councillors.
N V Brooks ● 144d
What Lambert and his chums don’t realise is their arguments are already widely known. There’s a particularly bigoted cycling campaigner on the W4 forum by the name if Campbell who posts all the time about how TfL and councils are adopting the LCC agenda. Reducing kerbside road space, slowing traffic artificially, closing roads. All part of the playbook.Lambert’s recent ‘musings’ about car ownership were verbatim from the LCC.
Simon Hayes ● 144d
I am also a Brentford resident and actually live on the Great West Road between Windmill Road and the South Ealing Road roundabout so feel the congestion affects me as much if not more than anyone else on this forum. Firstly they have now blocked off the junction at Windmill Rd, despite Guy Lamberts hopes that this might be avoided, why? Secondly it is beyond me why they have to restrict such a long stretch of the A4, they are unlikely to be working on all the pillars at once so why net have a restriction that moves along as the work does, surely that would help. Living where I do, and have for the past 30 yrs, I've never known the traffic to be as congested on a daily basis as it is now. The planners at TFL must complete halfwits! I'm sure they probably use some form of software to predict traffic flow and congestion (if they don't then they should) and if they do, and it's any good, they must have known the effect these works would have on local traffic flow. I would agree with some of the comments on here regarding the theory that there is an agenda to restrict traffic flow and to make drivers lives as difficult as possible, if there isn't then they are totally incompetent, either way they need to go. As for the restrictions behind where I live in Challis, Enfield and Whitestile Rd's and Swyncombe Avenue all this does is make the problem worse and force traffic onto other roads. Last night after going to Tesco at Osterley to do the weekly shop it took me over half an hour to get home, first sitting in traffic on the A4 then on finding no space in the layby outside the house having to carry on up to the roundabout, turn left go up to Darwin Rd, through to Windmill and then into Eastbourne Rd. All at a cost of time, fuel and pollution, the logic, if there is any, is way beyond me!
Simon Foster ● 144d
I live in Brentford - I would think that that would give me a right to express my opinion and for my local representative to heed it, but apparently he thinks otherwise - he is happy to ignore our views and pursue his own agenda; and then make up fictitious "real people" to try to justify his position. Of course we want unhindered driving - why would anyone want to sit on more congested roads for no reason? We've all seen the results of the council's own consultation - the LTN proposals were overwhelmingly rejected - what evidence can Guy produce to contradict this (other than fabricated conversations)?We all know the council's and mayor's playbook - to continue closing roads and altering junctions to make our roads more congested, polluted and expensive to use; and then using the resulting chaos to introduce even more restrictions - all against the wishes of the majority, whose views they simply ignore. If we feel strongly about this, the only solution is to vote out the Labour party and replace these people with representatives who will actually represent us - it doesn't seem that much to ask.
Graham Thorpe ● 144d
The old adage about knowing when a politician lies is when he opens his mouth springs to mind.The idea that people want unhindered driving because they simply want to potter about in cars all day is simply ludicrous. Most traffic on the roads is there for a reason, not just going around for the sake of it. These policies are really hindering businesses, to the point that some won’t work in certain areas now.What Lambert (retired, elderly, plenty of time and money to enjoy) doesn’t understand or has forgotten or just doesn’t care how most people actually live their lives or earn a living. Always a problem when doctrine and dogma trump common sense.
Simon Hayes ● 147d
"The absolute opposite of the truth but fits your conspiracy theory.You're right that the 5 people who post here (mostly who don't live in Brentford or live at a secret address) don't like restrictions to unhindered driving.Us councillors talk to real people on the streets of Brentford. They are mainly happy with the restrictions."I think that quote sums it all up. " Restrictions on unhindered driving "And there is a mandate for that? No sign of policies to hinder peoples livelihoods, well being ability to move as and when?And mainly happy with restrictions? Well why not have a local referendum like proper democracies have?It's just an absolute shame that your biggest aid to all this is the majority of those who are disenfranchised with local authority management and election shams to the point of resigned apathy.But for politicians and their ilk of all parties this is like a big box of free Chocolates.
Raymond Havelock ● 147d
Says the man who drives his car when it suits him. You conveniently ignore the majority of residents who told you in consultation that they didn’t want the Whitestile LTN. Remind us of the number of positive responses please.I’m surprised you didn’t blame a motorist for your recent cycling accident.
Simon Hayes ● 149d
The absolute opposite of the truth but fits your conspiracy theory.You're right that the 5 people who post here (mostly who don't live in Brentford or live at a secret address) don't like restrictions to unhindered driving.Us councillors talk to real people on the streets of Brentford. They are mainly happy with the restrictions.
Guy Lambert ● 149d
I suspect that this is quite deliberate and intended to justify and create demand for LTNs that remain wholly unpopular.When you get emergency services frontlines told to 'Button it' over delays caused by Swyncombe avenue and the lengthy detours and what that entails for someone somewhere, you know that something very, very wrong is going on.The revelation the Mayor and TfL are hiring staff to bring it all vehicle road pricing using the cameras installed for the ULEZ ordered before any consultation took place and with the silent blessing on many councils also without mandate of their electorate, this gerrymandering comes as no surprise.But look how easy it is to con this society. We get what we deserve.
Raymond Havelock ● 149d
I don't see a lot on this regarding all the extra traffic down the Boston Manor Road and onto the Ealing road roundabout caused by the no entry into Swyncombe Avenue. Whilst I'm sure the vast majority of the 90 Hounslow residents in that road enjoy the closure I'm not so sure the hundreds of fellow residents along Boston Manor Road, Windmill Road and the A4 are quite so keen. I won't even mention what this has done to all the roads between Boston Manor Road and Northfields Ave.
Francis George Murphy ● 149d
The steel structure over Boston Manor Park is also suffering despite a lot of remedial works but again not interim maintenance.Highly likely that all the fallout area will have to be cordoned off within a few years.Needless to say all the alternatives which were planned as long ago as 1973 were dropped by John Prescott who was in charge when the time came to start to replacement process.In the meantime LBH need to get really serious with TfL over this debacle at Ealing Rd / South Ealing Road. It is costing everyone dear and whacking up pollution from idling everything - including humans fuming!
Raymond Havelock ● 153d
The Flyover is undoubtedly long past the time it was originally scheduled to last, like so many other things.
Susan Kelly ● 153d
Quite simply, the salts used over successive winters have leeched into the space between the reinforcing bars and the surrounding concrete causing the bars to corrode and expand pushing the concrete out. Every reinforcing power there now needs encapsulation, and there are tens of thousands of them, to prevent the concrete crumbling away completely.
N V Brooks ● 153d
That's nothing new. It's had concrete and rebar issues for nearly 30 years. Hence the nets to catch lumps of concrete, why one pillar has been replaced completely ( near Carville Hall Park North side) and the current works ensuing.It simply has not been properly maintained and monitored for the past 45 years so preventive and updating has been minimal until it becomes crucial.It's unlikely to fall down it remains very solid but it does need a lot of TLC.It was the Chiswick to Langley relief road which was not called the M4 and the first part ( the brick section over Gunnersbury Roundabout had a ramp off it until the flyover was completed. ( You can still see the line where the bricks were extended)
Raymond Havelock ● 154d
A posting on the Chiswickw4.com Forumcomplains that the Chiswick Flyover itself is beginning to crumble.The Flyover, over the old Chiswick Roundabout, was completed some 5 years before the M4 build was started.It really is so costly to rectify.Who did / what wrong?
Jim Lawes ● 154d
Thank you Guy. It's probably worth bearing in mind that there is a difference between "guidance/guidelines" and stuff which is enshrined in statute. I really would press TfL to be very precise about what it is they are relying on and don't be fobbed off - I'm sure you'd do that anyway. I'm only saying this because I had a barney with TfL a few years ago over a box junction (not round here) which was completely unlawful. They wouldn't admit it and wriggled like mad until we got to the Adjudicator when they caved in and said there had been an "administrative error". The awful thing was they had taken over £750K in penalty charges from this yellow box - which I bet they never refunded. The yellow box has now been replaced with "Keep Clear" painted on the road. I'm afraid they aren't to be trusted.
Alison Robins ● 156d
Good point about 'which regulations'.I will raise that and presumably our traffic people will be better placed to investigate (as I imagine they will know!)
Guy Lambert ● 156d
Just had another look at the letter we all received from National Highways earlier this week. What's making it worse is the fact that the Windmill Road junction will be closed so that anyone trying to get south of the river (and back) will be forced to use Nightmare Roundabout.Is there any chance of persuading NH to keep Windmill Road open - at least for part of the time??As Guy points out, having this amount of congestion (which will only get worse once NH starts work) is both dangerous for all road users and incredibly unpleasant for everyone.I wish TfL would specify the precise "regulations" upon which they seek to rely.Guy, please would you keep us posted on this thread of any developments - good or bad!
Alison Robins ● 156d
I am furious about both these matters and am working with LBH Traffic, Ruth Cadbury and various contacts in TfL to try and get Ealing roundabout sorted. At present they are saying they have to do that because of regulations but I'm pointing out that its not only appalling for traffic in all directions but it's also dangerous, not safe.As to National Highways I have no relation at all beyond a largely wrong letter I got yesterday, followed by a slightly less one today.Our traffic team have organised a meeting for Thursday but I have no confidence NP will even turn up, never change anything.
Guy Lambert ● 156d
I used to go to Waterman's several times a month, now almost never. There are other reasons for my absence, such as the new cinemas in Acton and Ealing, but the obstacle course to drive there is also a big factor.
Susan Kelly ● 157d
Repairs are about to resume on the A4 flyover until DECEMBER. (like earlier in the year). Windmill Rd crossing shut. A4 lane reduction etc.Guy these Ealing Rd lights need to change back immediately otherwise the whole area will become a car park.
Nick Jenkins ● 157d
Not an expert on traffic regulations, and I wasn't at the meeting but they say "The previous Method of Control (MoC) was not compliant with modern safety standards and posed a risk to all road users. It was therefore not an option to replace the equipment and restore the previous MoC. Restoring the previous MoC would leave the previous risk of collisions in place"As you will no doubt guess, I have written to TfL, the MP, Hounslow Traffic, The Commissioner for Walking and Cycling, again today. I have also written to colleagues in Ealing, as the problem affects their borough as well.
Guy Lambert ● 166d
Just spoken with another local resident on the much delayed 65.She told me that Brentford Voice have been on at TfL and the Highways for some considerable time over the neglect of safety on the A4 for some considerable time.So how dare they use such a crass excuse when so much has been neglected for nearly a quarter of a century of stewardship.I do hope Guy or his colleagues name names and take this right to the top.
Raymond Havelock ● 167d
Guy, do you know what the regulations are? I know from personal experience that Tfl don't always get the regulations right and can require some persuading that they've got them wrong!
Alison Robins ● 167d
I haven't been there this morning. TfL are adamant that this is a matter of regulations but all I can say is that I, Catherine Dunne, Ruth Cadbury and senior officers at LBH are raising this issue with TfL and with senior people at GLA.It's helpful to get feedback from people affected by this. I'm usually on a bike so little impact and in any case rarely at rush hours so do keep posting here or letting me know firstname.lastname@example.org
Guy Lambert ● 167d
Traffic is backed up 4 ways....changing the phasing when not allowing north/south to move at once, isn't going to help imho.Unless they build a flyover!...they need to go back to the original plan.
Nick Jenkins ● 167d
'There are junctions like that all over the country.'I have been driving for 50 years and it was the only roundabout I have ever come across where a green light didn't automatically give you right of way. That has changed. I can well believe that it was against the rules. Now they need to get the phasing right and maybe move the nearest bus stops a little further away.
Susan Kelly ● 168d
Simply confirms that TfL are working to an agenda and using anything to get their way.Which is nothing new for TfL- they have a long history of meddling and coming up with nonsense to justify.
Raymond Havelock ● 168d
Where did TfL get that one from? There are junctions like that all over the country albeit not with a Flyover pillar in the middle but effective it is a Roundabout with traffic lights.
Raymond Havelock ● 168d
Guy has come back to me. He fully agrees changes must be made. He on the case.The stumbling block he says....." TFL say also say that the existing system (which we are all well used to and lived happily enough with it, despite its unusual arrangements) is not legal under national regulations."
Nick Jenkins ● 168d
It’s policy to make driving in London slow, inconvenient and expensive, so don’t hold your breath that Lambert’s intervention will have any effect. They really aren’t interested in most people’s views, regardless of the effect their actions have on economic activity.As I’ve said before, the actual numbers of vehicles on the roads is relatively low, but creating deliberate obstacles to keep those vehicles moving creates the congestion and gridlock we are now seeing. It is designed to create a problem that they can then ‘solve’ by blocking off smaller roads. Change isn’t necessarily progress, and if you trust a politician who recently write a mind bogglingly silly blog about private cars on this very site then your faith is very much misplaced.
Simon Hayes ● 168d
I understand ( I think from a previous thread by Cllr. Lambert himself ) that there was a meeting with TfL and others on Friday, that he was unable to attend.Presumably someone attended in his place. If so who and what was the outcome? I'm sure he will respond as he usually does.But Ealing councillors also need to be lobbied as this is having a ripple effect all over South Ealing and Northfields.If they ( TfL/ Highways) have any sense they will look at the dire mess this caused when they tried it before in the 1980s and abandoned it within 14 days.
Raymond Havelock ● 168d