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Enfield Road CPZ

If like me you have been ripped off for £185 by LBH for a parking permit to park in your own street is it not time we had a vote on getting rid of this scheme. Here is what we get for our money:Enforcement two hours a dayLess spaces to park in due to lime bike bays Less spaces due to electric vehicle bays (empty most of time )When this scheme was introduced at the third time of asking it was passed by 1 vote had it not been canvased in the holiday season I doubt it would have been introduced

Robert Ayres ● 157d9 Comments

Was that a typo in your original post i.e. £185.00?

Anne England ● 154d

And for anyone who wants to know the law (unlike Cllr Lambert it seems), here is what the judgement in the Barbet case said:DecisionThe Court held that the increase in charges for residents' parking permits and visitor vouchers in Controlled Parking Zones ("CPZ") in the Borough was unlawful because its purpose was to generate a surplus, beyond the monies needed to operate the parking scheme, to fund other transport expenditure, such as road repair and concessionary fares. The Defendant was not entitled to exercise its powers under section 45 for the purpose of raising a surplus to use for any transport functions, provided that they come within the scope of section 122 RTRA 1984. The RTRA 1984 is not a fiscal measure and does not authorise the authority to use its powers to charge local residents for parking in order to raise surplus revenue for other transport purposes funded by the General Fund.

Simon Hayes ● 154d

The judgement made it very clear that CPZ charges aren’t there to raise revenue for other transport spending. Are you too dim to understand the legal decision? Just because you think it’s okay, doesn’t mean it is legal. Is your personal judgement that impaired? Councils get away with fleecing residents on Avery flimsy pretext.The case was in 2013, not 13 years ago. It’s still relevant. Your link to the 1984 Act (40 years ago!) is also relevant because the Barnet case established a precedent that clarified the law as set out in the Act. If the costs of other transport matters are high then you should find other methods of funding them.If you think it’s wasting your time to try and get a bit of education then why do you bother pretending to be a socialist and man of the people?

Simon Hayes ● 154d

Not sure why you waste your time seeking out judgments against Barnet 13 years ago which in any case are irrelevant.See https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/27/section/55As has been reported umpteen times any surplus on parking schemes (in LBH at least, but I believe everywhere) is used to contribute to subsidies to providing disabled parking and other disabled transport matters, and paying the costs of the Freedom Pass.These costs greatly exceed the surplus on CPZ or other parking charges.You have successfully wasted some of my time, which I'm sure you see as an achievement. If you want more data I suggest you raise a FOI request which will waste the time of officers and cost the taxpayer more.

Guy Lambert ● 154d

Here’s a link to the judgement in the case of Attfield v LB Barnet: https://www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5a8ff7b060d03e7f57eb13ee/ampA conscientious local councillor might stand up for the legal rights of the residents they are elected to represent. What usually happens is they roll over and do what the party bosses want.I suggest Lambert and others read this judgement and think about what they are doing a bit more carefully.

Simon Hayes ● 154d

Well, that’s one opinion of the performance of local authorities!Parking schemes aren’t supposed to generate enormous profits for councils, euphemistically called a surplus. There’s case law on this from 2013, with schemes supposedly only supposed to cover the costs of running them.Of course all councils routinely ignore this. Instead we get punitive parking charges based on emissions. Far too easy a target.Perhaps Guy Lambert could provide the figures for Hounslow’s parking surplus for the past few years.

Simon Hayes ● 154d

Rubbish

Guy Lambert ● 154d

The big problem now is CPZs were intended to relieve Residents of parking by commuters and long term parking by non residents ie Air crew and holidaymakers etc.But now Councils are eying up new ways of hiking up costs, extending hours and days and dividing residents by creating categories to make £££££s out of residents in the name of Climate Emergency but more to do with overdensification.

Raymond Havelock ● 155d

I live in Enfield Road and renewed my permit in June.  I think it cost somewhere in the region of £85.I was initially against the CPZ but parking became such a nightmare that I changed my mind and voted for it. I am glad we have got it.  Please don't let's get rid of it.

Alison Robins ● 156d