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Thanks for your insights on this topic Guy.  So, in short, there was an approach that was successful and was abandoned.  Cost was not an issue as you say it was nearly paying for itself. I wonder what the official story is? I agree about FMS and HH, in my experience they both work well with clearances happening within 24 hours. An issue with FMS is that is works best if residents use it.  On my street (Whitestile Road) I am pretty obsessive about reporting and there are a few others.  So, litter and fly tipping is kept to a minimum.  Maybe Hayes does not have many civic minded residents.  The obvious problem with this is that the system is not sustainable if it relies on a few unpaid individuals.  I have mentioned on various occasions to you and others whether it would be feasible to have council and HH employees who visit the street regularly to report issues (parking wardens, street cleaners etc).On the subject of statistics, it occurs to me that if Hayes is not dealing with flytipping effectively, then they may not be recording incidents as well as Hounslow.  Without seeing the data definitions and processes involved I suspect cross borough comparisons may not be reliable.I wonder if what is going on is the well known effect of targets distorting services provision. Your example of fining people for trivial offences would back this up. (I remember cases like this in my time in the NHS e.g. reducing trolley waits by taking off the wheels and classifying them as beds)This is all so tiresome, we've all got better things to do.

Andy Herrick ● 69d

I took a look this morning and there is only a single bag on that site (or next to it) which I have reported via FixMyStreet. It will be collected today. or perhaps early tomorrow.When I was on cabinet we introduced a new service which successfully reduced flytipping - dramatically in the areas where we piloted the service. The pilot had 5 people working in it - educating, enforcing against landlords who tell tenants to dump rubbish, fining people who continue to offend. The service was (not quite but nearly) paying for itself by fines.I had a commitment put into the 2022 manifesto to extend this to hotspots across the borough. This was not honoured despite flytipping reducing by 22% in 2022/3 and for this and other reasons I resigned from the Cabinet and later was expelled from the Labour Party for asking for better behaviours. Flytipping is now increasing again.Now the service has only 2 people but the council have started fining people via an external contractor £1000 for putting cardboard on the top or next to overflowing cardboard recycling bins. This is not flytipping (whatever they say) and will have zero effect on the flytipping scourge.By the way, one of the reasons our flytipping numbers are high is that we have an excellent clearing service via FixMySTreet and Hounslow Highways (another private contractor). Their contract requires them to remove within 24 hours of being notified and whilst I was lead member they hit that 24 hour commitment every time, partly because if they didn't they got heavy fines! This means we have high reporting (I myself reported 2 this morning).I went to Hayes (in Hillingdon) last week and found there was flytipping everywhere, often clearly left for weeks or months. Yet the statistics say Hounslow has 3 times as much flytipping. Looking more closely, we had 14000 'car boot or less' incidents compared to only 656 in Hillingdon. But 'Transit van loads' were 4971 in Hilligdon compared with 414 in Hounslow. We have different problems. I was datermined to tackle flytipping (which is very tricky, but we had a good approach) and the council seems to have given that up and just chases headlines.

Guy Lambert ● 70d