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Breach of civil liberties?

Ealing and Hounslow are being rather cagey about the use of cameras in residential streets.These are not cameras to deal with crime hotspots or illegal fly tipping.These are cameras that have a capability of recognition of people and their property.In Ealing, parking registration - even for stop and shop is coupled by use of data being compiled and then the owner of that data being tracked by cameras recording their movements.With no opt out for the T&Cs of this. Everyone who disclosed bank details or any other personal details is agreeing to be a component of Data gathering.  To a third party/ The Local council, who?Ealing won't say, but use a slippery get out clause about your data is deleted after use.  But it is vague as to what that actually means and if it is then one would be re-registering each time.Ealing are also utilising School Streets cameras out of enforcement hours for this and again, will not respond to any enquiries. There is nothing to protect being part of a data ingress by criminal activity - as has happened with TfL, several London Boroughs and even M&S.In Brentford, a series of spy cameras have virtually ghettoised the Griffin Park area.The notice is too vague.What rights to residents have about their image or their car being recorded?Who and exactly what is the purpose ?Try enquiring and then enquiring again? The responses are very minimal and evasive.Not obliged to divulge commercial interests or partners. So who asked permission of the commercial partners of LBH ? That is the Council Tax paying residents and citizens of this Borough.Even if this is the most innocent of things, residents should have the right to see exactly what footage is being recorded and fully know the context of why it is being recorded.Once its done, there are copies, back ups and all, whatever the disclaimer might be.So does anyone else really know what this is all about?

Raymond Havelock ● 9d6 Comments

They want to stick an LTN in there, doubtless supported by the resident MP. How dare anyone use a road to get from A to B.Of course, Kermit Lambert will be all over this with his pseudo Green credentials.He also keeps shouting about his new party not being reliant on millionaires for support. Tell us about Dale Vince then, Guy.

Simon Hayes ● 5d

That's partly my point, it's the selling on of information and to whom and for what purpose.It has to be with full consent and that extends to the property of individuals.These cameras are capable of extreme high resolution yet we have no idea of what.As for surveys Cameras or counters cannot ascertain the reason for a journey, the occupants, the tools or work equipment .  And this is where so many schemes fail. All assumption but very little if any substance. AI is only as good as the data and assumption is not good data.Old style road census methods produced a very clear picture and led to the right  improvements.

Raymond Havelock ● 5d

Wires on the road just counted passing vehicles, while, according to their website, the Tracsis cameras are gathering far more data about vehicle movements and journeys. It now makes sense that the company was prepared to provide traffic cameras free of charge to ‘police’ the Grove Park LTN in Chiswick when they can probably sell lots of other information they’re collecting at the same time.

Peter Evans ● 6d

Yes. It is in the blog, and in the numerous emails I sent to people who enquired.The message from an officer was badly worded. He meant it was not about checking permits.I will repeat, it is a traffic survey, and a modern way of doing what used to be done trailing wires across the road.

Guy Lambert ● 6d

I read your blog after posting. But spent 3 days trying to find out and clearly learned more than you know.  Which is disappointing. After all, you are a ward councillor and have far more direct access than ordinary mortals in the district.The notice in itself is vague as cowboy clamper notices and the 3 months data held?  How secure is it and to whom is it distributed to?If they are not permitted why have these been live for 4 days?Do you know anymore than I or anyone else locally what has exactly been gathered and exactly why?Have you seen a clear written detailed explanation in  full, of the intent of the 'survey'With your access as an elected voting member of the Council surely you can actually answer much deeper than you clearly actually know.So do what I have done, and investigate and then please explain in your Blog exactly is "misleading". Misleading is dismissing concerns.

Raymond Havelock ● 8d

If you bothered to read my blog you would understand, rather than spreading misleading allegations.

Guy Lambert ● 8d