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Hounslow Homes-'varied by notice' (illegally changed)-housing agreements

Has Hounslow Homes 'varied by notice' (illegally changed) your housing contract It is illegal to change the details of the Housing agreement between a landlord and a succour tenant with out the consent of the tenant this is the point of the term 'agreement'.Despite this many of you will have been sent a letter back in 2000 informing you that your housing agreement has been varied by virtue of the notice the council has sent you. Varied means changed and is a peace of double talk trying to disguise that fact. Do not allow Hounslow Homes to bully or encourage you to sign any new agreement if you are happy with the agreement you already have its changes are not there to benefit you. The only people that stand to benefit from these changes are Hounslow homes, be warned people who use gobble-gook or double speak to hide the truth are crooks in my experience and I can't see how it differs in this instance. 

Philip Walsh ● 6973d29 Comments

Thanks Alan,to be honest it may not have been him who made the posting and if it was he may have had a half shandy too many as the posting was submitted at 23.59pm!!He may even have been aiming the tirade at you or Janet rather then Philip who started the thread.I dont think we will lose any sleep over this and life is too short for us to get to wound up about it.I am sure there is an explanation of some kind and if you receive any news and post it,then thats case closed for me!!

Paul Fisher ● 6962d

I have not yet had a response from JWW. If i do i will let you all know.

Alan Sheerins ● 6962d

Apologies Philip..about the diversion seen on this thread.But that's what happens many times..(just ask Mr E Hughes!)The nature of JWW's posting created a natural branch..away from the main topic. But it's attached to the main topic as we're endeavouring to find out who JWW really is...There's no harm in topics evolving like this...but agreed "getting back to the main topic" is often requested.The ABC topic currently on the W4 Forum is a fine example of threads evolving and  diverting into other subjcts.Are you able to report on any progress or help you've received in response to your enquiry?

Jim Lawes ● 6963d

As I said on the last postings thank you to all the helpful responses. However, I do not care who John the loon is, who he does or does not work for or is or is not affiliated to. I don't even care if he is who he claimed to be, his response has shown him to be of no importance.I do care that the politically minded seem have hijacked the topic for infighting and political point scoring something that seems to be a reoccurring theme on to many threads.Please if you have a contribution that is to do with the original subject I would be pleased to read your responses, but if all you wish to do is demonise political opponents or blow your own political trumpets, then I am really not interested, please start a new thread if you wish to discuss local politics and maybe I will join in

Philip Walsh ● 6963d

We don't know whether JWW is involved in this campaign..but the style of this News Story beggers belief.  If I was a member of the local Labour Party..I would be embarrassed about having anything to do with it.

Jim Lawes ● 6963d

...typical Labour party - getting the ladies to say sorry!..couldn't resist Corinna  ;-)

Sarah Felstead ● 6963d

Sorry....any more!!

Corinna Smart ● 6963d

Jim Lawes ● 6964d

CorinnaThis John Wyman-White chap's name appeared at the foot of this Labour Party circular produced before the recent elcctions.It was perhaps only distributed to a restricted list of potential or wavering  "Labour Party" residents...who perhaps didn't have the nouse to pull it apart.It could be that the person who posted on the thread above was an imposter.The Lbour Party letter deserved a competent response and discussion on this board..but dim handling by a Forum contributor meant that the opportunity was lost.  Barbara Reid (the Conservative Councillor) wrote a fab letter to the local press about the STARS awarded...but that lapsed too.Regarding the writing styles of Alan..I generally see nothing untoward. Just occasionally he types "i" instead of "I" but so what. We all miss keys in the night!! or day!!JWW's response was still disgraceful..and he should at least be yellow carded...if he's the real JWW...linked to that letter.

Jim Lawes ● 6964d

It seems like others on here that I may have misunderstood who JWW was having a pop at...re reading the thread...both Alan and Janet managed "typo's" as they were giving advice I think he was having at pop at them and not the original poster.Still not sure if it really was JWW but if it was....Alan will try to get to the bottom of this but if it was JWW he was having a pop at his own side!! JWW does not work for BILP.

Corinna Smart ● 6964d

Thanks to all that have replied on this thread Exept for John who ever he is, I have taken note of the email adddreses in case I need them but as things stand, The  Disarbility network in Brentford is looking into it for me. They have someone who deals with housing and the at risk/ vulnerable/ disabled. Unfortunately I have a deep distrust of politicians, especially the blue and reds, as they pretend to be green.

Philip Walsh ● 6965d

Did you receive a response from Mr Wyman-White Alan?

Paul Fisher ● 6965d

Speaking personally I would much prefer to debate with somebody whose writing style is less than perfect but who is decent and sincere, than with somebody who publishes defamatory leaflets using the Queen's English with intent to incite fear and unrest in a community in which he doesn't even live.Have I spelt that correctly?

Phil Andrews ● 6967d

Whilst I cant answer for Alan, if I find out that was John....and I really cant believe he would ever write in that appalling manner...I will unreservably disassociate myself from that post!!Alan and Janet are Housing experts...and I'd follow their advice and get legal advice.

Corinna Smart ● 6968d

Thank you Alan,will you be confirming on here if it was him or not?

Paul Fisher ● 6968d

Dear AllI have left a message for John-Wyman White, i doubt if the posting was from John. So please do not make any assumptions.

Alan Sheerins ● 6968d

I had assumed you was talking about Allen’s spelling of ‘seriuos’ but just in case it was me you were talking to please feel free to correct both my spelling and grammar, if you can., but please note gobbly is not a real word and I knew that already.

Philip Walsh ● 6968d

Philip,have you contacted your local Cllr on these issues as they may be able to help?I am on now on the Hounslow Homes Board and could also possibly help and if so you can contact me at paul,fisher@hounslow.gov.uk or perhaps Cllr Phil Andrews  at phil.andrews@hounslow.gov.uk as he is on the Council Executive with responsibility as Lead member for ALMO strategy and development Tenant and Leaseholder participation.Its also a shame when Alan and Janet who posted offering advice in a genuine attempt to help are now associated with Mr Wyman-White

Paul Fisher ● 6968d

John,Thank you for your worthless input, but as a man of poor education (My schooling ended at 15 and I left with out qualifications) I will take advice from whom I see fit.I am not a religious man but many people are still offended by those that use 'The Lords name in vain' as a man of Politics which you apparently are, you should know and respect that.I can't help wondering if your political affiliation has more than a little to do with your response, it was after all a Labour council that entered into the arrangement with H/homes and there are many views on 'why' and for who’s benefit.Oh and yes I do use spell check.

Philip Walsh ● 6968d

Hear hear Paul If that was the gentleman's maiden posting on this Forum ..then it was disgraceful..and not worthy of his position.  Yes I recognise his name from the recent Labour Party literature.We have many posters who fail to properly spell certain words..or whose lingo is difficult to follow.  As Alan suggested ..Philip Walsh may be in need of help. The following was not a compassionate way to speak to him. John Wyman-White did a deservice to the members of the Labour Party that I know.Fancy saying this ..as your opener on this Forum!""For Christ's sake, can't you at least try to learn to spell the odd word correctly, or communicate in a language that vaguely resembles English?Attempting to offer any sort of legal advice whilst writing like a child of 10 doesn't engender a great deal of confidence in the rest of us who have to read this nonsense.Leave this Forum alone and write to the Daily Star in future. You are no help to anyone.""

Jim Lawes ● 6968d

If you are the same John Wyman-White who was Agent for the Labour Brentford and Isleworth Group during the recent elections then with those manners and attitude no wonder your Party is in such decline?

Paul Fisher ● 6968d

We r rly knot bovvered what u tink, innit!!!!!!!!

Ian Roberts ● 6968d

For Christ's sake, can't you at least try to learn to spell the odd word correctly, or communicate in a language that vaguely resembles English?Attempting to offer any sort of legal advice whilst writing like a child of 10 doesn't engender a great deal of confidence in the rest of us who have to read this nonsense.Leave this Forum alone and write to the Daily Star in future. You are no help to anyone.

John Wyman-White ● 6968d

Hounslow Homes can't take away or end any secure tenancy they have to apply to the courts for possession - your brother should certianly seek advice.

Janet Tindall ● 6968d

PhilipThis sounds very seriuos is your brother getting the right help and advice?

Alan Sheerins ● 6969d

So the East Area Housing Forum met regularly with Hounslow Federation of Tenants & Residents Associations and proper consultation was carried out. If a person is not a member of a Tennant and residents association then that association is not able to claim to represent you and therefore consultation with you has not taken place. It is irrelevant which type of change is made, you do not have to agree to it no matter how miss misguided other tenants may view them. How much explanation of these changes was made to the actual tenants, how many realise what these changes may mean, when/if the council decide they don’t need the property they have lived in for years but would in the councils opinion be better housed in somewhere smaller and decide to re house them, whether they want to go or not. This is how my brother understands it and would seems to be the case for all those mugged into allowing the local 'pet' tenancy groups who do not represent everyone, to make decisions for them, whether they personally agree or not. The current policy and the inclusion of anti social behaviour clauses are nothing but the council’s way of stealing the homes of some of the areas more vulnerable persons. My brother being one, who having been abused and treated like a person of little or no importance by H/homes workers during a refit of his home, lost his rag and found himself arrested. The council are now trying to use these anti social behaviour clauses in the agreement he has not signed to try and steal the flat they were already trying to get him to leave. Apparently the Human rights act does not apply to H/homes. It states that nobody has the right to hand out secondary or additional punishment over and above that handed out by a competent legal authority i.e. The Court and they have decided on the fitting level of punishment. H/homes are breaking the law by trying to impose extra punishment. It is also apparent that the kind of threatening letter my brother received should never have been sent to someone housed as a vulnerable person back in 1982 and who has not been a troublesome resident.

Philip Walsh ● 6969d

Your'e right in what you say Alan H/Homes although H/Homes doesn'thave any tenants itself because by opting to take the ALMO route rather than a stock transfer the tenants remain Hounslow Council's tenants. As council tenants they are secure tenants and do not need to sign new tenancy agreements to consent to the chages as long as proper consultation is carried out (this is in accordance with the 1985 Housing Act). At the time of the variation that you are talking about I was chair of the East Area Housing Forum and met regularly with Hounslow Federation of Tenents & Residents Associations and proper consultation was carried out.

Janet Tindall ● 6969d

As far as i am aware there are ways of changing tenancy agreements without consent, this depends on the type of agreement and what is to be changed. Did you get professional legal advice on this?

Alan Sheerins ● 6970d

The original agreement with your credit card company probably stated that they reserve the right to change the agreement without notice - normal leases don't have this.

Diccon Adams ● 6970d

What are the nature of the changes that Hounslow Homes wants? And if it is illegal to change the terms of an agreement without consent how come my credit card company is always doing do?

Mike Hardacre ● 6970d