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The total lack of communication between authorities is a worry.  I have been to two recent Environment Agency seminars now, several months apart, and the knowledge and expertise relating to flooding is enormously impressive.But - at the first meeting I raised the problems here in Brentford, asking how we can have confidence in any future schemes, when the current ones are inoperative for years due to nil maintenance. I also asked for contact details of people who could monitor and enforce the necessary compliance, and details of the supposedly satisfactory recent survey of the existing flood defences (which had to be a stitch-up).Response was promised, but nothing happened. Two months later following the next glowing lecture, I repeated my requests – no response at all so far. When major water authorities can fail so signally to communicate between themselves, any measures dependant on that cooperation must fail. When the prime flood measures authority lets monitoring and enforcement slide, there's no hope of effectiveness.A classic example just in – my old friends British Waterways have flooded out a town up north. They can't be blamed for the procedural response to an anticipated situation, but they certainly can be blamed for failing to check with the other authorities as to whether their drains etc were going to cope with what they did. A little communication could have obviated the calamity, and hopefully have illuminated the need to get maintenance carried out urgently.In the event, this was an unnecessarily drastic way of pointing out the need to unblock a drain.http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1033750_fifty_radcliffe_homes_floodedOur own blocked flap-valves here are a different problem of course – they won't build up flooding of themselves, being frozen open rather than closed. The principle applies though, and the whole western half of the area south of the High Street has remained without flood defences for years. When it is realised that the situation continues despite the full knowledge of Hounslow Council, Thames Water AND the Environment Agency, what confidence can we have that ANY flood defence measures will be effective?Most pertinently for the immediate future -what confidence can we have that the Environment Agency have addressed these issues properly in the new proposals for the Town Centre? They obviously have NOT researched the situation here themselves, and will have relied on developer's research. We are told that such research is privileged private property, and cannot be subject to disclosure. I know for a fact that nothing has been done in that regard around here (other than checking AOD's and chatting with British Waterways), so perhaps that's academic.My suggestions that the Agency at least share with the Council such of their massive database as is their own to share, has been met with silence so far.The question remaining then, is whether the Environment Agency has been rendered as toothless as many other protective agencies.

Nigel Moore ● 6391d

Persistence pays!Having sent the latest photos off to Hounslow’s drain people, I got a puzzled email back – ‘Can you tell us the date of those photos? Because we have been assured by Thames Water that they went through ALL the flap valves along this section, cleaning, greasing and replacing as needed more than a month ago.’On being assured that they’d been taken 2 days previously, I got a phone call and was passed to Mr Knight, who told me he’d been liaising with TW and was given the above assurances. I invited him down yesterday, and showed him exactly where the problem was. Apparently some flap-valves are in soakaways reached via manholes, though plans don’t necessarily show them:He quickly determined where the manhole concerned was, and rang the Hounslow drain team:He scarcely had time to tell me that since responsibility had been taken out of their hands by TW since about ’99, they had continual problems with maintenance being paid for by us through the Council, but not carried out – before the team arrived:A cursory examination of the manhole revealed that it had never been opened in years! So up it came, the chaps on the job knowing every detail of the system from years of experience when the Council had the job.And yep! There the flap-valve was, stuck open with inches of muddy rust having grown over the mechanism from 8 years of neglect:River levels were too high with the rain at the time, but Mr Knight promised me that they would not bother with TW, they would come down themselves and put it right so soon as the levels permitted. Now that’s conscientiousness – concern that the job be done, regardless of the fact that the official responsibility lay elsewhere.So 3 cheers Hounslow Council – but that still leaves us with a situation wherein we ratepayers are having to pay both Thames Water rates AND Council rates that go to paying Thames Water, for contractual maintenance that isn’t carried out by the people being paid to do it!

Nigel Moore ● 6729d

Hey! TW8 Forum scores! Quick work by councillors, and I received the email below this morning:.........................................The sewers and flap valves in question are all part of the public surface water sewerage system and therefore the responsibility of Thames Water.I will get Tissa to pass on the email and attachments to TW with a request to ensure that essential maintenance is carried out.RegardsFred Robinson-----Original Message-----From: Suresh Kamath Sent: 09 October 2006 09:23To: Fred Robinson; Tissa LiyanageSubject: FW: Emailing: Flood warning BrentfordImportance: HighIs there anything we can/ should be doing?Fred - can you respond to Cllr Hibbsregardssuresh -----Original Message-----From: gh [mailto:gh014i7838@blueyonder.co.uk]Sent: 08 October 2006 09:35To: Suresh KamathCc: peter.thomson@hounslow.gov.uk; markbowen44@tesco.net; GeraldMcGregor; reid1966@yahoo.co.uk; 'Nigel Moore'Subject: FW: Emailing: Flood warning BrentfordImportance: High-----Original Message-----From: Nigel Moore [mailto:nigelmoore@mynow.co.uk] Sent: 07 October 2006 23:06To: Genevieve HibbsCc: Maggie Urquhart; Jon Hardy ICG; Caroline Andrews; Shirley FisherSubject: Emailing: Flood warning BrentfordNot sure who in the Council should be alerted to my recent postings on theTW8 Forum. You may remember my sending such photos before. At no time in the past fewyears has anything been done to ensure that the flap valves on the roaddrainage are clear and operating. Every time the tide rises higher than thedrainhole, - up comes the water. Other than slowing down the flow, thismakes a mockery of the very existence of the extensive flood wallstructures. I would imagine that the EA should be quizzed over this, but I feel it mightbe more beneficial for the Council to raise it with them rather than myself- would show that they're on the ball, even though they're not! Nigel========================================================================

Nigel Moore ● 6866d