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Phil, Councillor MacGregor is your Conservative Executive colleague. Is that better?You asked how many Executive decisions were referred to Council during my leadership. The answer is that the system in operation between 1999 and 2002 was deliberately established to ensure maximum involvement of all members. Major Executive proposals were referred to Committee of Council on which you sat. Looking through the old agendas would indicate the number of referrals, but I would guess there were dozens.You may remember receiving detailed budget papers in October that provided all the information on which the subsequent March decisions were based. Also, during this period major contractual decisions such as the Key Site 1 development agreement were made by panels involving members of opposition parties and Area Committees were briefed in detail on such projects.I recognise that the new Executive arrangements, which I did support at the time as the lesser evil relative to an Executive Mayor or Borough Manager (the other 2 options) do restrict what Council can DECIDE. However, you will note I asked you whether you would support referring the matter to Council for CONSIDERATION. The Executive would still make the final decision. However, by consulting the Council all members would be able to offer their views rather than the minority of members represented by the 2 groups on the Executive.As I said at the last Council meeting we now meet more often but still discuss little business of consequnece to local residents. The Executive, if it was living up to its claim to favour more open government, would be referring more business for CONSIDERATION by Council before making the policy DECISIONS. The fact it is not doing so suggests that to date this is an empty slogan.I will respond to some of the issues raised about the consultants after tomorrow's Scrutiny Panel. All I have to say is that I have no evidence of underhand behaviour. However, the fact that, as a Councillor, I was only provided with details weeks after the event means that the decisions were taken in conditions of secrecy. I understand the paperwork I have is not to be made available to the public, so it will remain secret to them. As I have said elsewhere the new Executive has demonstrated to date that it relishes the "secrecy of the confessional" approach inherited from the Ellar years.

John Connelly ● 6715d

GarethThe reason I didn't respond to Ruth's original posting was because was in effect an imputation without any substance.  If Ruth has any evidence, even circumstantial evidence, that Knox D'Arcy has any connections with the Conservative Party or the ICG, or that it has donated towards our funds (if only!) or assisted us in any way, then she should share them with us.  If there is no such evidence, then the implication should not have been made.The issue from which Ruth was trying to deflect attention was, of course, Labour cronyism.  John attempted to mitigate this by suggesting that the cronyism was as natural to the Conservative Party as it is to Labour, but I can only act on the evidence of my own eyes and I have to say that thus far I have witnessed no such thing.That the New Labour ethos centres upon cronyism and a general policy of "jobs for the boys (and girls)" cannot seriously be contested.  Indeed it will be noted that even Ruth hasn't tried to contest it.  It is a matter of historical record that the ICG was formed, not with the pursuance of an ideological objective in mind, but as a counter to Labour cronyism on our estates in Isleworth.  It was the continuation of this cronyism which sustained the ICG beyond its first election campaign in 1994 and which led to the election of an ICG councillor in 1998, of three ICG councillors in 2002 and of six councillors, with a resultant change of administration at Hounslow for the first time in 35 years, in 2006.Have any lessons been learned from the rather severe consequences which Labour has suffered as a result of its policy?  Anybody who was present during the recent Hounslow Homes Review would have to conclude that they haven't.  A grotesquely disproportionate amount of time was spent arguing about the problems on one particular estate which have come about as a direct result of Labour cronyism and control-freakery, and what to most normal people would appear to be a self-evidently reasonable aspiration - that all our tenants should have a fair and equal right to participate in the management of their estates irrespective of political affiliation or opinion - provoked an hysterical and orchestrated response of such ridiculous proportions that it even led to an attempt to bring down the administration which involved, amongst other things, a question to the Prime Minister in the House of Commons!With regard to Knox d'Arcy, this company was taken on to undertake the first phase of the review following an interview process which was conducted by members of both political groups which are represented on the Executive, as well as by officers of the council who were employed under Ruth's administration.  There was nothing remotely secretive or underhand about the process.  When the time comes to decide who will be taken on for the second phase the correct process will, once again, be followed.  I am sorry that Ruth's approval was not sought before we embarked upon the project, but in the fullness of time she will come to understand that that is one of the prices to be paid by her party for being booted out of office by the electorate.Whilst I can understand some of the concerns which have been expressed, the continual reduction in our settlement from the government has left us with very little option.  The alternative, to put it bluntly, would be to cut frontline services and to increase Council Tax above the rate of inflation, not just this year but every year.  This has been New Labour's way, possibly because so many of its members are employed by the local authority.  It is not ours.  Our priority is, and always will be, to protect those whom we were elected to serve.The Conservative manifesto at the last local election pledged to try to curtail increases in Council Tax.  Ours promised to make savings by cutting waste and trimming unnecessary bureaucracy in preference to targeting the most vulnerable.  The current review flows naturally from both. Gareth raised the question of "natural wastage", and I am advised that last year this amounted to 302 persons - fairly much the number of posts which it is envisaged will be trimmed as a result of the project over a two-year period.  That should give us some sense of perspective.  It is my sincere hope that this process can be organised in such a way as to minimise the need for compulsory redundancies and it is of course entirely possible that they could be avoided completely, but in the final analysis the council exists to serve its residents and not the other way around.I believe that a restructuring of the local authority, conducted thoroughly whilst at the same time sympathetically, is the right thing to do for our long-suffering residents.  It is perhaps significant that few of them seem to be amongst the ranks of the objectors.

Phil Andrews ● 6716d

As a Hounslow employee, when it was announced that consultants had been brought in to look at the council structure, I thought – well, let’s see how thorough they are and what they come up with. Let's face it, most of us within local government can think of areas where cuts might be made without adversely affecting services.What a complete con and let down this "consultation" has been. In my section of our department, a longish list of names was circulated stating that these were the employees that the consultants were possibly going to interview as part of their investigation. Time passed and, what do you know, not one of the people identified has been approached. On checking with colleagues in other departments, exactly the same picture emerged - no-one, either within or outside the civic centre could identify anyone who had actually been interviewed by the “consultants.”While we were still waiting to be approached, the “results” of the consultation were revealed by the Chief Executive to staff by e-mail just before Christmas – there was a necessity to make some 3-400 members of staff redundant over the next few years. No focus on which staff – ie which sections were felt to be overstaffed or unproductive – just 3-400 random members of staff. The Chief Exec went on to say that there would be a process by which staff could apply for voluntary redundancy which he would publish shortly (no sign yet!).Rumour has it, however, that not only is the council keen on “losing” 3-400 staff, it is trying to do it on the cheap. As far as I am aware, custom and practice with council redundancies is that staff usually receive a lump sum redundancy payment of 1 week’s pay per year of service, rising somewhat after 10 years service. One of my colleagues was thinking seriously of taking up the offer of voluntary redundancy – after 30+ years service, with a disabled wife to look after, he felt that this was a good opportunity for him. Under the council’s apparent plans, he would only get the bare minimum redundancy payment of £290 per year of service – a pittance of about £9k. As you can imagine, he has changed his mind about taking voluntary redundancy and will now stay.So – we have a firm of consultants (who rumour has it have never done any kind of local government management consultation before) being paid £75K for doing very little and coming up with a random figure of 300-400 jobs to lose (totally unfocussed on the actual necessity/productivity of those jobs).Rumour in the CC also has it that the figure of £75K was actually very cheap (hard to imagine, I know) and that it was set artificially low, because the company concerned wants the contract for the big management restructure to follow.I really hope that these rumours are not true, and particularly that the council is not trying to “stiff” its employees by getting rid of them on the cheap.Maybe the consultants did interview lots of employees – just seems a bit strange that no-one can find anyone who has been approached.Whether £75K is “cheap” or not – it seems like money for old rope – if I get made redundant, I think I’ll set up as a management consultant!!Anyone interested can, I believe attend the Scrutiny Panel next Friday, where the proposals will be discussed.

Frank Sykes ● 6720d

On the contrary John it is you who has missed, or ignored, the point.  The posting by yourself to which I was responding read as follows:"I think Phil means he is opposed to Labour nepotism, cronyism and patronage. If he thinks Tory practices are any different then he must be naive."Ruth made a similar point in her own posting.  The subject under discussion therefore was cronyism, etc. and the relative propensities of the Labour and Conservative parties towards practising it.As I have previously explained ad nauseum, most recently on this very thread, Community Group councillors were elected not on the back of some complex ideology-based political programme but with a simple mandate to empower the communities which they represent by putting an end to the culture of "matesmanship" which has led to the disenfranchisement from many aspects of public life of the majority who are not members or unquestioning followers of the Labour Party.Having had six councillors elected and effectively holding the balance of power, the Community Group was left with three options:1. Enter into a coalition with the Labour Group;2. Enter into a coalition with the Conservative Group; or3. Decline to enter into a coalition with either.I would be interested to know John what you would have done under the same circumstances, however from the three options given we were in fact left with very little choice whatsoever because:1. An alliance with Labour was not possible (a) because its whole culture and ethos was that which we had been mandated to change, and (b) because the Labour Group still chooses to perpetuate the myth that the ICG is a fascist organisation and hence would not ally itself with us even if we wished it to.2. An alliance could however be negotiated with the Conservatives because they were happy to embrace our programme for empowering the community, and were satisfied that the earlier reservations which they had once shared with Labour about the nature of the ICG had proved conclusively to be unfounded.  3. Not to have entered into coalition with either would have led to the local authority being left with no political leadership at all but rather with a chaotic administration led by officers which in practise could have provided little policy direction whatsoever.You will see therefore that the choice was not a difficult one to make.This having been said, I do not wish it to be concluded that the Community Group is unhappy with the coalition of which we are a part, or with our partners, or that we are reluctant participants.  If, as you suggest John, the Conservatives were ever to reveal themselves to be of the same mentality as that which we have spent the twelve years of our existence fighting then that is something we would have to deal with, but I can only say that to date they have been totally upfront and honourable in their dealings with us.  We discuss any issues between us in an open and honest fashion and agree upon a joint position.  Thus far it has worked well.You may of course consider the very thought of sharing an Executive with members of the Conservative Party anathema.  If so, I would be interested to learn just how long you have held such a view.

Phil Andrews ● 6736d