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Alan Smith witnessed a splendid example of a dust cloud being produced at the end of the street by some Thames Water workers on his visit.  Alan had parked his (newly washed) car right beside where they were now working but had he lived in the house he would have arrived home to find the car covered and no worker in sight, like the subsiding driveways from lorries going into them, a mystery.Alan moved his car and told the workers to use water.  I have never seen any water being used with a grinder and that is the trick to keep the dust down, obvious really if they aren’t using a proper block cutter.  We circled the block and came back to find they had abandoned the idea of the water and the cloud was pouring down the street, into any open windows and covering everyone else’s cars.  Alan took the company details to contact them directly – but this does not solve the problem as this is the way of working.Hoping to capture a typical example yesterday I had a short chat with the workmen and said I wanted to take some photos of the dust clouds.  I was then aware that they stopped using the grinders and got on with other things.The dust is obvious from this shot and covers the surrounding pavement and road surface.The grinder. An addition to the scene - a white bottle.And it now takes 2 workers to do the job(!)The bottle is a water bottle which is pumped by the second worker to dampen the dust.  When I asked them about it (the other group of workers had also rigged one up by now) I was told that they have difficulty using it as they break very easily.Who is in charge of working practises?

Sarah Felstead ● 6589d

Amongst the growing list of cross departmental issues discussed with visitors are the intervention levels.  The damage to the pavements is such that it is often very difficult to see the most severely damaged areas – and often you have to walk across them (as a pedestrian will do prior to taking a fall) in order to check them out properly.I wonder if there has been an H&S risk assessment of ‘how and when one trips’?  I bet it indicates that men with larger feet and or larger shoes fare better on the current intervention levels whereas the ladies  …  …  don’t!The slab, where we think the lady who died following her injuries fell, has been viewed by all the visitors and the girls (in their sensible shoes) appeared of the same mind, they could easily fall in the same spot.If this slab were in the middle of a busy high street it would meet the criteria for urgent intervention, on a side street where the lady was walking to post a letter near to her home, it survives to attack another pedestrian.  It looks like this slab was poorly laid in the first place (maybe utility) who added infill to bridge a gap, and then the infill fell away.  Where my Mother in law fell the area had also been mended with infill - which had fallen out.  Maybe intervention levels were originally intended to allow for some natural movement of pavement and not a ridge left because the slab was not properly laid or mended?  Wonder what the legal take would be on this?The next wonder I have is how a hazard is marked to ensure that it is actually resolved before an accident.  Some of the visitors were told by residents that the Council comes out on a tour (the residents association do this regularly) and on this tour they mark up areas – which are then left!  Our visitors saw some examples of these when walking around, faded white lines circling a dangerous area.The following two areas were marked up at the same timeThe first area has been filled in – but the area around the drain was ignored and is still there.This whole area was ‘identified’ as a hazard risk by four small white lines on each corner – or maybe the idea of marking the area out is not to show a potential hazard has been identified?  This was seriously dangerous and was left for nigh on 2 weeks – it was mended just a couple of days before Mary Macleod’s visit.This isn’t very clear that there is a hazard – especially in the dark or if you have failing eyesight.  This gap meets immediate intervention and closure of the area.Mother in laws pavement area was marked out with this after her fallAnd this is another marking – which at least warns a pedestrian something is a hazard.Doesn’t appear to be a standard marking nor is it clear who the marking is for – workers who can easily miss the job as they nip past in their truck or pedestrians, who might come a cropper?

Sarah Felstead ● 6589d

Every one of our visitors saw for themselves pavement damage and every one of them had no doubt as to the probable cause.  Oh alright, so they didn’t ‘witness’ it happening – but on a common-sense-odds-are basis they were all able to hazard a sensible guess and make the very important link – once you understand why it is happening there is a chance to stop it happening  again?  Isn’t that important?Did the Council lay them like that in the first place?Well, it does happen that the work on the pavement (by Council workers or utility companies) is poorly done - one of my neighbours watching some Council paving slab people at work said it looked like they were making 2 jobs out of one.Last summer on their tour I showed David Palmer and Satbir Gill some examples of very badly laid ‘new’ slabs.  Satbir was straight on his mobile in front of David and me calling somebody to replace them immediately because they were so dangerous – failing all intervention levels - and that was in the newly laid state.I have explained numerous times how I have seen some slabs laid - I used pieces of paper to demonstrate this to Alan Smith on his recent visit and I can easily get the lego out of the loft to make up more permanent examples.So, here we are *I am saying that this is happening*I can tell you to pop out and ‘adopt’ some building site or roadwork for yourselves and you can see it happening *I can freely take and show photographs and *on tours I can show actual examplesThe best example of all unfortunately is the number of falls and injuries to the public, particularly women who have smaller feet.  A health and safety assessment of this situation would be interesting.Why is it still happening and what measures are being taken to stop it from happening?One argument Vanessa offered on the other thread was that the Council had to rely on people witnessing the events or damage and had to be prepared to go to court.  I have said that my intention with the photographs was to show how it was happening, not to get the poor * caught on my camera, into trouble.  I have been taking examples of typical types of work and ways of working – and if I have enough of a type, I walk past the next ‘photo’ without taking it.The point is this is happening – so what is being done to tackle it from within?The following are interesting if you follow the notion that the ‘ones you catch’ can be taken to court.  I prefer ‘if you know it is going on, take measures to tackle it first’ or a stitch in time save 9.I spoke about Hounslow Council man in a van (BD53 UZO) opposite the lorry on the pavement then showed you the following day when the lorry was on another pavement.The following day this is how the lorry was parked:The small cracks showing in the slabs are generally how new cracks show up.Or another view of the difficulties in parking a lorry Another Hounslow Council man with a van has shown upIt is difficult working out where to park, sometimesAnd the parking available around the corner – you can see the lorry’s cab over the wall

Sarah Felstead ● 6590d

Working practices allow free use of the pavements by vehicles as an extension of the road surface.  Sometimes vehicles are tucked onto the pavement in order to clear the road for other cars.  Any pedestrians just have to take pot luck when venturing around them.  Sometimes the abundance of crossovers gives free and easy access to the pavement (no bumping tyres on the kerb) and the loss of the trees can allow free movement along the pavement for some distance.Any resultant damage is then the duty of the pavement people to investigate and classify as either unsightly or to mark it up and indicate the degree of urgency for the work from the public purse (allocating an ‘intervention level’ assessment).  Unless an official sees the pavement actually being damaged or has a witness to say the same, it appears that nothing can be done – and the ‘mystery’ as to why the pavements are so badly damaged is left hanging in the air and the pavement purse picks up the tab.Now I have some good news, and some bad news.One of my elderly neighbours when given the opportunity to speak to some of our visitors told them of the lack of dropped kerbstones for access onto and off the pavements when she goes shopping.  She described the difficulties and said how hard it must be for people pushing prams and buggies around.  She is frail and has to plan a trip to the shops with careful consideration and takes a wheelie shopping basket to drop her shopping into which also gives her some support.  With arthritis the bumping of the trolley up and down the high kerbs means her hands, arms and elbows can be very painful by the time she reaches home.  She can also experience severe pain in her upper arms and shoulders just from a walk without the trolley as she has to bend double to check out where she places her feet on the unstable pavements.  She asked some visitors if the kerbs could be dropped and then she wrote to the Civic centre with a copy to Cllr Reid and was sent a very nice reply to say that it was now on a work schedule.  The good news is they have been out and marked up the drops and have (very quickly) arrived to start work.The bad news is tucked inside the photographs.  Plenty of space on the road whilst the excavations for the dropped kerbs go on – it is amazing the amount of work that goes in to doing this.The pavements are neatly and clearly closed off and protective areas signed up for pedestrians – this is busy a walk to school route and a busy vehicle cut through to the A4 in the rush hour.I took these photographs to show the type of working going on – not to get the workers into trouble, just as I have explained before.  As Jorgen said on the earlier pavement thread, they are just doing their job, and I don’t doubt that.  The two guys are Polish (learning English) and probably work either as they are told, or as best as they can just as with other types of building work going on.  They appear to be working very hard (no protective head gear when using those diabolical grinders though, there was a huge cloud of cement or granite dust as I approached but they had stopped by the time I got there).So, who issues the working directives, meaningfully?Yesterday I came past and the same lorry was high up on another pavement opposite, well clear of the road surface and opposite was a Hounslow Council white van – with official sat inside on his mobile.  He was directly opposite the lorry on the pavement – and yes, I have his vehicle number.After taking the photos today I walked along a bit further and another white van pulled off the road driving onto and along the pavement in front of me – right across the paving slabs.  The person stayed there for a minute or so, then pulled off and drove a bit further along and pulled off the road onto a crossover and after getting a green recycling box from the rear of the van, took it across the road to a house before driving off again.Again, the issue is – this is what goes on – so, is this right?  Or is something due for a change?

Sarah Felstead ● 6603d