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Should there be a Referendum on the new EU Treaty ?

According to RTE News, Ireland will be holding a referendum on the new EU Treaty.See: http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0623/eu.htmlIreland has a written Constitution and each time there is a new EU constitutional treaty, Ireland holds a referendum.That seems to be pretty sensible and democratic to me.On one occasion, the Irish voted to reject a new EU treaty. So have the Danes, the French and the Dutch. The proposed new EU Constitution was rejected by both the French and the Dutch with the result that EU, under its present German Presidency, has had to replace it by a so-called Treaty which would not have to be subject to a referendum in certain countries such as the UK where it is likely to be rejected.Britain has never held a referendum on the various new EU treaties the British Government has entered into since the EEC was replaced by the EU. Instead successive British Governments has transferred powers to the EU without the consent of the British people and conferred new powers on the EU without the consent of the British people.The new EU Treaty agreed this week by outgoing lame duck Prime Minister Tony Blair is an EU Constitution in all but in name. Mr Blair will be leaving office before the British Parliament will have the opportunity to review or debate or vote on the Treaty so it will be the responsibility of his unelected successor, Gordon Brown, a Scottish MP, who is unelected by and unanswerable to the electorates of England, Wales and Northern Ireland, to persuade Parliament to ratify the new Treaty. That doesn't seem very fair or deomocratic to me.In view of the facts that 1.the provisions of the new Treaty were not mentioned in the Labour Party's Manifesto for the last General Election, 2.Mr Blair had promised a Referendum on any new EU Constitution, and3. Mr Blair fought the last General Election on the basis that he would serve a full term, but has reneged on that promise,and he has been replaced by Gordon Brown without an election inside or outside the Labour Party, and without the consent of the British electorate, and 4. The new Treaty fundamentally alters the legal and constitutional relationship between this country and the EU, and5. Creates new posts of EU President and Higher Representative for Foreign Affairs, and6. Creates a new legal identity for the EU whereby the EU and not the UK will represent the people of Britain internationally in many areas of international and internal EU matters, and 7. Removes the British veto in a number of key areassurely the new Treaty should be submitted for ratification by the entire electorate of the United Kingdom in the same way as the Irish will have the opportunity to ratify or reject it ? 

David Giles ● 6552d19 Comments

Yes indeed - the Devil is in the Detail. The Eurofanatics know that and that is why they like to bore us all with so much detail. I thought the Masstricht Treaty was just a bit of innoucuouis house-keeping - until I read it and saw what it actually meant.A summary of the main proposals that appeared in the original constitution - which was rejected by voters in France and the Netherlands - and which also appear in the outline of the amending treaty agreed at the EU summit- follows: Changes to EU institutions• Single legal personality for the European Union - this means that the European Union can enter into treaties and enact legislation without having to obtain the consent of the member states.• EU President - elected by the member governments to represent and preside over the EU. This will mean that in effect Her Majesty the Queen and the British Prime Minister will be subordinate to the EU President.• High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy - this is an EU Foreign Minister in all but name • EU Diplomatic Service - which means that many UK embassies and consultates may close with consequent effect on protection of British citizens and interests abroad• Majority voting in some areas of foreign policy• The end of one Commissioner per country - which will mean that some member states will no longer be represented in the all-important EU Commission• A European Public Proscutor with powers to prosecute throughout the EU.Social security and the economy• EU given more powers over social security, including defining the rights of non-EU nationals residing in a member state • New EU powers over employment policy - this may particulary affect the UK's more open and succesful employment market• New EU powers over public healthCharter of Fundamental Rights• Charter becomes legally enforceable. Britain would have an opt-out but critics fear it could be overturned in courts.Home Affairs• New EU powers to harmonise civil and criminal laws and legal procedures. This is a problem for the UK and Ireland because of the very different basis of our legal system, based on common law, rather than on the Covil Code systems of other countries. • EU to define criminal offences and set minimum sentences - this is a massive interference in the internal affairs of the member states.• Extra powers for Europol - the EU police force.• European Court of Justice given new powers over asylum and immigration - this is a massive interference in the internal affairs of the member states.• Extra powers for EuropolForeign and Defence Policy• Commitment to creation of a "common defence policy" - this could mean the end of an independent British defence policy and the British armed forces• "Structured co-operation" between core of member states with the most powerful military presence, such as Britain and FranceVetoes• End of vetoes on transport, energy, space, sport and science policiesThe Euro*A commitment to adopt the euro throughout the EU - this is a massive interference in the internal affairs of the member states and will mean that Britain will lose control of foreign exchange rates, monetary policy, inflation and interest rates.

David Giles ● 6549d

So far the Czech Republic has said it will hold a referendum, with Ireland "likely" to do so. The Netherlands is likely to hold a referendum too. Mr Blair believes Britain doesn't need one. This is because we now have "a conventional amending treaty", not a "constitutional treaty". As for the difference between the two, an anonymous Spanish diplomat commented, "If your name is Maria, you can call yourself Jane, but you will still do Maria's job." Karel De Gucht, Belgium's Minister of Foreign Affairs, accused the text of new treaty "of being as illegible as possible." Commission President Jose Barroso quipped he was happy his son's studying law, as under the new treaty "lawyers have a beautiful future.” Ex-lawyer Mr Blair seems to have a view somewhat at odds with many of his political peers on the Constitution-that-ain't: "At the end of the day, 90 percent of what was in the constitution is still there." - Bertie Ahern (Irish Taoiseach) -------"The fundamentals of the constitution have been maintained in large part."- Angela Merkel (German Chancellor) -------"A great part of the content of the European constitution is captured in the new treaties."- Jose Zapatero (Spanish Prime Minister) -------"All the symbolic elements are gone, and that which really matters – the core - is left."- Anders Fogh Rasmussen (Danish Prime Minister) -------"It appears that all the significant changes made in the constitutional treaty have been reintroduced in one form or another" - Michael Carpenter (legal adviser to the House of Commons European Scrutiny Committee) -------"Despite all the compromises, the substance of the draft EU constitution has been safeguarded."- Elmar Brok (Chairman of the EU Parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee) -------"The referendum which the Spanish approved the Constitution has been decisive, and 99% of its content has survived.”- Diego Lopez Garrido (Parliamentary spokesman for the Spanish Socialist Party) -------“The fundamentals of the Constitution have been maintained in large part… We have renounced everything that makes people think of a state, like the flag and the national anthem.” - Frank-Walter Steinmeier (German Foreign Minister) -------"The constitutional treaty which has already been ratified by Finland's Parliament".- Jari Luoto (Finland's State Secretary for EU Affairs)

Fraser Pearce ● 6549d