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Ferry Quays Vandal

Most Monday mornings between 4 and 5am a vandal paints either a while or yellow line along the pathway at Ferry Quays along the river where the Grand Union canal starts, east of Thames Lock. Sometimes he paints one in the early hours of Sunday morning and the other colour the next morning.Apparently some years ago, a boat owner who I am given to understand was mooring illegally alongside the canal bank before Ferry Quays was built was evicted and Ferry Quays was then built. When the development was finished he started vandalising the walkways by the painting of the lines.He was caught and the case took some years to come to court and again I am given to understand that the case was thrown out over something to do with No Mans Land.Since this victory he has returned to the scene of his crime and every week has painted his little white or yellow line.The cost to the residents to remove is £1,000 per time. He uses masonsry paint to ensure that the paint soaks into the conecrete.He may think his crime is against the devleopers but it is the residents who are paying. The £1.000 removal costs will ultimately come out of site charges made to owners.As a resident I am getting fed up of seeing this man's pathetic crime and I ask him through this forum to stop. He is not hurting the people that evicted him but he is spoiling my enjoyment of Ferry Quays.If anyone knows who this man is would they ask him to stop?If you know anymore of this story I would be very interested to know his side or it or yours.Thank you

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The history of ownership is not that obscure; the Land Registry however are amongst the last people able to be informative on the matter. They only have such records as people voluntarily give them and much land remains unregistered. Land in this vicinity only began to be registered in the 1960’s and later.British Waterways created nothing so far as the initial entry from the Thames is concerned, this was cut (by unknown parties) in the mid 18thC, to short-cut the first loop in the river Brent, at least 50 years before the Grand Junction Canal Company came on the scene.The GJCC under the powers of their Act purchased such lands as were needed to continue that work of straightening the wriggly river, speeding up access to their canal. These fragmentary portions are readily identified on maps. As to ownership of the remaining and original riverbed not purchased by the GJCC, my researches demonstrate that riparian rights applied to the river Brent, so that most of the river was in the ownership of the Manor (James Clitherow at the time), although whether that applied beyond the Manor bounds into Ealing is unknown (Ealing parish began just east of where the Thames Lock was subsequently built).If riparian rights did not exist in the easternmost (Ealing) section so far as the Thames, then ownership would have vested in the City of London as parcel of the Thames (being tidal waters). By agreement between the City of London and Queen Victoria after a major squabble over ownership, this became vested (in 1857) in a body called the Thames Conservators, the latter day successors of whom are the Port of London Authority.Early maps show that the first neat cut of the GJCC became eroded in time so that the whole river/canal became wider. Under authority of the Thames Conservators, owners of the northern banks were licensed to embank the river bed, so creating protected edges to their property with a little extra doubtless gained. That was the case with T. Rowe in 1882, who thus became the owners of the bank and all behind it.In the early 1960’s the Greater London Council instigated piling all along the Thames and tributaries, as a measure of flood control, and British Waterways were probably the ones given the task for the river Brent, giving rise to the steel piling we see today. Control over upkeep of these walls vests now in the Environment Agency, who hold the riparian owners responsible. (So when, for example, Heidelberg’s piled walls began bulging out under new building alongside, it was Heidelbergs who were held responsible for repairing them at huge cost).This area of land was subsequently purchased by the Council, with laudable ambitions to preserve and develop it for marine industry. Tragically these never came to fruition, so that the land was allowed to lie fallow for decades until the present developers came along with the alternative residential scheme. It was during this period that ‘The Vandal’ and others came and occupied parts. By law, uncontested real occupation of land for twelve years will result in extinguishment of original title. That still applies today in respect of unregistered land.Leaving argument to ‘The Vandal’ on whether the acts of ownership sufficed in law to extinguish the former unregistered title in favour of those occupying, things became messy when the Council negotiated to sell the property to Hither Green. It was only at the point when voluntary first registration was sought (and BW notified as supposed adjacent statutory body) that BW came in with objections, claiming to own the actual wall itself along with the riverbed. There is quite simply no conceivable basis for such an unsubstantiated claim, given the lie as it is, by the wealth of available evidence.However, rather than get involved in expensive legal battles to no real observable benefit, Hounslow and BW drew up an agreement that BW owned the wall, so that the land sold to Hither Green did not include it. This is a favourite method of BW for obtaining land, which has proved effective everywhere.It is heartening however, to see that the PLA have at last bestirred themselves in order to assert THEIR rights of ownership of the riverbed as against the BW claim, and the matter is going to the Land Registry Adjudicator for determination next year.Eileen is correct that, having dedicated the riverside edge as a public path while they were the previous owner of all this land, the Council are liable to maintain it for that purpose regardless of ownership. This was, by the way, a new public path that had not existed before - the towpath built by the GJCC ran along the south bank only.

Nigel Moore ● 6130d

Ally - thanks for the further insight.  However, we have to find out first who owns what.  Simply saying that someone owns it today because it has been 'abandoned' does not give him right of ownership.  If your father had had the wit to register his ownership due to it being abandoned then he would have every right to the bit of land. Therefore I think that ownership as it stands is:BW - the canal (its water, the river bottom and the walls for it)PLA - the Thames estuary bit - I imagine this means the water and banks - again giving people the right of access.  Having said that this is a new 'exit' for the River Brent and would have been created by British Waterways.  Therefore they could argue their 'ownership' of this piece of river bottom.??? - the towpath on the canal which gives the public right of access and enjoyment.  This could be BW and/or Council.  Certainly I think the Council are expected to maintain this as it is used by the public.There is a conservation order on the banks of the canal and river so that nothing can be built right on the water.  By this I mean right up to the water's edge thus depriving people of the right to walk.Somewhere back in the mists of time someone had ownership and we must first look to see who this is, then find out what they did with it.I gave some photographs of the Ferry Lane in its heyday to Chiswick Library - Heritage section.  They showed boats being loaded/unloaded at Ferry Wharf and 'works' of sorts, etc. on the land.  These could be a good start.Alternatively the Land Registry should, at least, be able to say who owned this land way back.

Eileen Henderson ● 6131d

ok, ill try and do your points one by one. i realise it can be stressful, but the whole point of speaking out is to try and get that stress into the open and redress the balance of public information which apparently is wildy inaccurate. he will be prepared to allow the 'residents to live in peace', when the situation is resolved. at the most recent aquittal myself and others would have preferred to cease the painting as there seems to be less and less of a case to do so, but the fundamental point still remains and this is the most effective way ( by this i mean the quickest ) to achieve the aim. Surely this is a better course of action, to resolve the issue quickly, than to let it ramble on forever with momentum lost at every little meeting? as for proof, he was in possession for a very long period of time of abandoned land. This is very different to some political protesters seizing million pounds homes in Fulham. The complexity also includes different parts of the land and relates to different parties. ie the wall, the river bed and the mouth of the Brent. all of these points form a 3D intersection of grey area on the map, and during the period of the court actions the Port Of London, British Waterways, the Hounslow Council and the Vandal/HitherGreen have all expressed differing and frequently altering claims. As for plans for the flats, the occupiers ( there were at least three or four boats along the wall before HG bought up ) were not consulted. They were sworn at and abused by the owner of HG before HG even bought up the land one sunny dog walk many years ago, and subsequently were not invited to see any designs for the land. I suppose the objection may have been four lettered in response and hardly official, but then the owner of HG wasnt expecting any other response and neither was his attending animal friend. The only designs im personally aware of are the new ones for moorings which were discussed this week at a planning meeting, which came as a surprise to us as we felt boats were not wanted there considering the effort spent in removing us. The Vandal did attend, but was wary of speaking up and being identified. There are also current objections to Land Registry applications for the bed of the river, which the Waterways discovered they did not control during the course of these actions and subsequently moved to apply for. These objections have been upheld and are pending. Historically they control only a canal width strip from the lock to the Thames running down the middle of the waterway, but over several hundered years has widened due to building works and industrial demand of the old railway yards where Brentford Dock flats are now situated on one side and the coal heaps for Brentford Gas Works on the FQ side at Soaphouse Creek which later became Jewsons Lighting Yard and later the new FQ flats. They are seeking to essentially widen their control from its original marking to include the entire section from Lock to Thames, but of course there are private concerns including our issue to contend with first, and the PoLA also have an interest at the Thames end.

Ally McSeal ● 6131d

Dear all, First off, as a spokesperson of said 'Vandal', I have been asked to correct and add to the story of this particular problem of Ferry Quays. I have spoken in the past to Joe Jackson who may be able to confirm that I am the son of the 'Vandal', but obviously this was several years ago while I was still living in the north west of the UK. I went to school in Brentford and also played in the former lighting yard and derelict warehouses before they were eventually redeveloped, lived at the mooring and know various locals, and attended Griffin Park, and this was in the late 80s. I was initially glad of development of the area, which was derelict and abandoned even by Richard Branson at one point. My interest here is that the PR campaign against the Vandal needs alot more balance, simply because I have attended most if not all of the court hearings on this subject and am able to provide correct information to the best of my knowledge. Many thanks to Nigel Moore, i believe we met briefly at the last aquittal. 1) Criminal damage only occurs to other peoples property. You cannot damage your own property criminally. When the Council ended its agreement it was because they had no claim to the land, as opposed to it being 'revoked', and as the BW also had no claim, posession of the land passed to the occupier. The Vandal pays council tax every year, and also has paid inordinate sums of money ( along with other boat owners ) to them for land which they had no claim over or right to charge a fee for. Furthurmore, on 12 counts of Criminal Damage, the Vandal was found not guilty. The case hinged on wether Hither Green owned the land, and they could not prove they did in all of the four or five years they had to provide such evidence. Case closed, at huge cost to the taxpayer. 2) The court has written reciepts counting £3000 of damage on each count from the Hither Green group, which then revised its costs to £1000. The reason for this change is because at a certain value the issue is moved to a higher court where harder standards of proof are needed. When the case moved to the higher court, the case of Hither Green collapsed. The number of £1000 is not only a lie, but a tool to prevent justice taking place which thankfully did not work. Furthur, several sworn statements were signed by security and empolyees of Hither Green which were lies, an attempt to commit purjury and influence the court by deceit. Regretfully nobody was reprimanded for this behaviour, but the outcome of the trials spoke more than enough words in this regard. the case was never thrown out over something called 'No Mans Land'. this phrase is entirely new and holds no meaning to anyone involved with this case. 3) The man in question holds a law degree and a maths degree, and is fully aware that his actions probably upset residents. Indeed, the entire point of painting the property is to incite arrest and court action so that the issues might be aired in court. Upset residents of FQ should be asking questions of their landlords Hither Green, who have bulldozed and lied in order that they do not allow a boat owner (several in fact) on the front of their brand new development. Its obviously not beyond the realms of imagination to say developers play fast and loose with the law and peoples homes, but when it happens to you or your family it shouldnt go unchallenged. 4) the Vandal was not 'evicted' as some claim. He moved his boat in fear that it would be impounded by authorities who had not fully understood the complexity of the situation, and as he was living on the boat and using the land, it was too much of a risk to take. unfortunately ive forgotten some of the points i intended to make, but i hope those of you threatening to injure or assault anyone enjoy their weekend in more constructive ways than vigilante behaviour. any questions, please ask. Ally McSeal.

Ally McSeal ● 6132d

This just came through for me this morning. It's worth bearing in mind that on the second big Brentford clear-up, Thames 21 put on a full days work for a big shoe company (Timberland) to coincide with Earth Day 2005, and this included a lot of graffiti removal and other waterside programs to keep people productive once the tides had rendered riverbed work impossible. It might just prove a way to avoid costs of cleaning via Hither Green's contractors!? -THAMES21 BIG TIDY UP TRAINING DAY / 24 NOVEMBER 2008Would you like to learn how to organise a waterway clean-up in your local area? Maybe you’ve noticed a neglected river near you that you’d like to do something about, or perhaps you have a group of volunteers interested in transforming your local canal?If so, sign-up to the Thames21 Big Tidy Up Training Day TODAY!!!The Training Day will be taking place on Monday 24 November at Fishmongers’ Hall in central London and is an ideal way to learn how to put together a waterway clean-up event. Those attending the training Day will be able to network and share ideas with like-minded individuals from all over the UK and learn how to organise a waterway clean-up event from start to finish including:1. promoting your event and appealing for volunteers 2. selecting a site with reference to necessary health and safety as well as access requirements 3. motivating and inspiring your volunteer group during the event The training day is funded by The Big Tidy Up and is completely FREE to attendees. Please note that places are available on a first-come first-served basis.If you would like to take part, please contact Ben Fenton at ben.fenton@thames21.org.uk or phone 07920 230970

Nigel Moore ● 6155d

Maybe you should get your facts straight before you make unsubstantiated accusations.I fail to support any view that the vandalism of a property at the cost to the residents for a grudge that is probably in excess of 5 years old is likely to gain any benefit whatsoever to the wronged person. I have sympathy for the chap if he has been wronged by the BW or the owner of the land or whoever. Defacing property which we have to pay to put right for is unlikely to gain support from ressidents or owners of the property.The fact that he was charged and taken to court, but got away with it only serves to illustrate that he is in the wrong.It would be interesting to know the background of posters on this topic. Clearly I live there and enoy the quiet, beautiful environment that it is. A. Smith states that it is a People Free Zone, hardly with 400 flats, virtually all occupied . As for weeds growing up through the pavement- well the are attended to on a regular basis.I stand on my balcony and watch much wildlife. Swans, ducks, geese, herons, kingfishers, parakeets to name but a few. I see people walking along the frontage in the evening and at weekends. People come to the site to walk their dogs.It brings in lots of revenue for the local council with 400 flats lets say an average £1500 Council tax. £600,000 not bad seeing they dont clean our streets. We even make it easy for them when collecting the rubbish.Ferry Quays is a peaceful, tranquil enoyable place to live and the actions of one person with a grudge only serves to spoil our enjoyment.By causing so much damage; he uses masonry type paint and it gets down between the stones and therefore requires much cleaning only provides our managing agents with more revenue and profit. They had an obligation to remove it and we have an obligation to pay for it. So he is not hurtin the people who did him an injustice he is hurting the residents who nothing of this dispute when properties were bought or rented.It is a shame that his actions seem to have soome support. Shame on you!

Steve Bonnici ● 6157d

This thread has taken a surreal turn.It has veered away from  this misguided and desperate soul who tries to assert property ownership over land he has no claim. His claim to both the river wall and the land side has been demolished in court and he has been refused leave to appeal.So, with nothing to lose (he has no fixed abode and apparently no assets), he continues to vandalise the land in a most despicable way. Then you have some others who are making disparaging remarks about the Ferry Quays development and its residents.Frankly Brentford should be profoundly grateful to Ferry Quays and other new residential developments like the Island.Why?They bring large amounts of council tax to the community while costing little in education and social costsThey provided many affordable housing unitsThey provided S106 funding for improvements to existing areas in BrentfordThey bring affluent and law abiding residents who would spend good money locally if the facilities were upgraded to a reasonable level -where is the High Street redevelopment after more than 20 years of wrangling?But most of all, Ferry Quays brought superb new river frontage areas open to all, in place of a down at heel ragtag of once working depots and docks.Go and see for yourself,  the Ferry Quays canal side, beautiful paved, planted with rows of lovely trees and with marble seating, open to all to enjoy. Only spoiled by the nutter’s 100 meters of paint vandalism.  Contrast this with the adjoining stretch of path, desperate overgrown, littered with rubbish and bottles (behind Heidelburg).There have been plans from the beginning for properly developed and regulated moorings all along the frontage, delayed by planning issues and objections from the many interested parties. They will finally come to fruition and may not please everyone, but certainly will have had a lot of consultation.So please, get a grip, and leave class war back in the 1980s.

Nic Doczi ● 6158d

A welcome positive response John. Steve also is correct that a moorings scheme has been before the Planning Committee for some time now. This has been delayed because of concerns as to the navigational safety of fixed pontoons close to the entrance to the Thames, and will be further considered at the October meeting.May I suggest that those with positive ideas to contribute meet up before then to pool them? The Brentford Waterside Forum has been a local community group for time out of mind that exists to help direct just such issues, and Ferry Quays residents are already members.For those unfamiliar with us, I reproduce the ‘manifesto' below:Brentford Waterside ForumStatement of Core Values and ObjectivesThe rediscovery of the Waterside in Brentford is putting intense pressure on the water front. There is growing competition for access to the river and canal sides, pressure is mounting to create new economic activities and provide residential development on the waters edge. These pressures jeopardise both existing businesses and the right of Brentford people to access the water, which is part of their heritage. Access to the waterside in Brentford is made possible by the changing economic and commercial use of the water. The role of the Waterside Forum is to provide informed comment on proposed developments or changes. Brentford Waterside Forum will work with and through agencies to achieve the following: -* A strategic context for waterside decision making* To protect access to the waterside, its infrastructure and the water itself for people to use for recreation, enjoyment and business, emphasising business that need a waterside location to be successful* To argue for improvements to the waterside facilities for business, residents and visitors so as to deliver tangible benefits to all the communities of Brentford* To seek the protection of the waterside and the water as an ecological resourceThe Waterside Forum will seek through dialogue, persuasion and research to influence decision-makers to take the needs of the users of both the water and the waterside into full account when determining the future of Brentford. In doing this it will endeavour to protect and preserve the best of the past without making the future a slave to the past.  It will seek to work with all other agencies and organisations who are interested in improving the use of and understanding of the waterside to enable access to, and enjoyment of, it. In support of these objectives, the Waterside Forum will to campaign for: - •  Better regulation of mooring rights along the waterside to give legitimate boat dwellers security of tenure and good quality moorings•  Protection of the needs of businesses who need access to the water for their activities•  Enhanced visual amenity•  Improved access to the waterside, including improved safety measures, for the public•  Wider understanding of the ecological and environmental value of the watersideTony HutchinsonMonday, 29 May 2000If this sounds the sort of thing you’d like to get involved in, then let me know quickly and I’ll organise an overdue meeting. That would be an opportunity to assemble points for consideration by first of all the developer, and both the Port of London Authority and British Waterways Board. It could be copied to the Planning Department and the local committee also.We usually meet on a Monday evening around 6.30 pm. If you have any difficulties with that day and time then I’ll organise something different, otherwise I’ll set it up for the 6th October. For various reasons it is past time I resigned as chairman, so this would also be an opportunity to elect a new spokesperson and get fired up again.

Nigel Moore ● 6158d

Guys and gals, there are obviously strong emotions at play here, including those of the "line marker", previous comments from myself included.We're obviously not getting anywhere with all this and the "line marker" (greetings) must be getting tired of getting up that early.Is it worth investigating what options are open to make this a "win" situation for all, ie open the river frontage open to controlled usage?Consider these points:- from a community (and linemarker) perspective, FQ has strong historic links which are not being recognised - from a resident's perspective, I'm sure there are others who are REALLY getting of being woken up by that **** waterjet device- from an owners perspective, we are currently sharing the cost of £1000 each time the clean up occurs (not to mention the chemicals going into the river each time)- from a Police perspective, hmm...I'm sure they're getting tired of being labelled as inneffectual in this case- from an investment perspective, think of the state of the market and what's going on around us.  There is so much competition now that if we want our investments to perform, we MUST find ways to differentiate or our property values will continue to decline.Despite my ravings in previous posts, I ask you; why would we not investigate options re utilising / opening up the river frontage?If it were done in a controlled manner and in harmony with Brentford's history it could:- it would save us regular £1000 cleanup hits- solve the "line marker's" issue (well, one of them anyway...)- really vitalise the area by perhaps having riverside markets etc- help improve security by having more residents on the waterfront- contribute to the costs of maintaining the waterfront by charging minor fees for market stalls etc- help maintain or even increase property values- improve FQ's links to the community and the surrounding historyAt the end of the day, raving at each other in a website achieves nothing.  We have to take some kind of action and I suggest that be to investigate opening up the river frontage....just some thoughts, happy to discuss.John B

John Bakker ● 6158d

Nic, I’ll forgive you the brief reply if you’ll forgive the ‘tomes’.I don’t approve of the defacement of the quayside - I would have been less disapproving if an attempt had been made to mark the disputed territory in some distinct but attractive way. That may not have achieved the objective of course, the full extent of which I do not pretend to understand, but in simple terms was to provoke the arrests and criminal action trials in order to have the dispute aired in an higher court than has been heard thus far. Not the choice I would have made.What I have attempted to do – and I’m sorry if my contributions have seemed muddled – is to highlight the fact that there is more behind the story than appears on the surface, and yes, I have taken that opportunity to ‘slag off’ those who contributed to the situation.Why do you suggest that Council planning consent means nothing? The consents were given to various boats (not all or even most of them) to be moored at that location, for their use as houseboats, on quaysides then accepted as the Council’s. So far as I know, the Council charged no mooring fees, but there will have been substantial contributions in terms of Council Tax, same as all other home owners. Nobody else had any right to threaten seizure of the boats.I should also note that there was no even-handedness in how different boats were treated. At first Hither Green sued all of them, before backing off. Then BW volunteered to intervene. One of the barges was offered a temporary mooring above Thames’ Lock while BW refurbished ‘their’ wall (actually claimed by the Council at the time). That has turned out to be more than temporary, but the boater concerned is happy with the arrangement. Surely some similar arrangement could have been arrived at with the others.In the interests of establishing a more profitable deal with Hither Green, BW were promoting a fixed pontoon mooring system that would bring them in considerable income. They will never now recover the hundreds of thousands of pounds of public money –ours – that they spent chasing off the boats already there, but they persist in the scheme anyway. Should we not all, not just Ferry Quays residents, be concerned at that waste of our money?Perhaps I need to un-muddle things so far as the Council is concerned by clarifying that I have not sought to slag them off as positive contributors – they have been simply passive over permitting the BW claim to wall ownership, doubtless seeing no value at the time, in arguing the point. I am more indignant at their continuing to allow ever more land to be taken from them by BW without a murmur – it is not that our elected councillors have not sought to stir action, but sadly it appears that the non-elected staffers have more power over such choices. That’s another story however.I totally agree with you over the useful work to be done on the river, and that is another area wherein the Council officers rather than the councillors have been at fault. If you were to bring up old threads from this Forum, you will see that I have in the past organised several major clean-ups along Waterman’s Park and beyond, through the contacts I had with Thames 21. These were enthusiastically supported by many of this Forum’s contributors and the wider community.You also are obviously passionate over the riverside, why don’t you get in contact with them (Thames 21) yourself, and arrange another occasion? You can explain just what you feel needs addressing and get others to band in and help out.There is no difference between fly tippers and people leaving eyesore wrecks on the Thames. That is another topic over which I have campaigned fruitlessly with both the PLA and the Council. As a matter of interest, the more conscientious of the barge owners moored at the Waterman’s have recently taken it upon themselves to tidy up a good deal of the wrecks, while a local sculptor has been busy for some years converting others into artwork.

Nigel Moore ● 6166d

Nic, I think from the start-off I should clarify that I am not seeking to justify vandalism, nor am I necessarily suggesting that this person’s claim to the property is valid. Neither am I suggesting that the pouring of paint all over the quayside is a valid and fair procedure, impacting as it does on the pockets of many who would otherwise have been sympathetic to the cause. The truly innocent victims in all this have been the Ferry Quays residents, who should never have been made to pay for the machinations of their landlord. I would also add though, that the former boaters moored here were likewise innocent victims of a groundless claim to jurisdiction over the moorings. My point was that at least 2 of the boats (that I know of), had Council Planning Consent for the residential mooring of their boats at this location, and that they paid more dues than were ever legally necessary.I have no pecuniary or business interest in the matter, but the principles involved do resonate with my own situation, with a common denominator being that one of the antagonists is British Waterways.I have observed, under very personal circumstances, that the public perception is that if some sufficiently large ‘reputable’ organisation or business does something, then that must be legal. It ain’t so.“BW did not renew the lease – the boats were evicted – that should be the end of”. No. First, they weren’t leases they were licences for the boats themselves, and even those were beyond BW’s Statutory Powers in this location. I do not intend to quote ‘all sorts of arcane stuff’ as I certainly could, which as you rightly say, you are in no position to assess. It remains the case that the situation has arisen because BW (fairly recently) asserted a claim to ownership of the river-wall, and even more recently, asserted a claim to ownership of the riverbed. Their prior actions in threatening to seize the boats relied upon such assertions.It is certain that the general public will assume that they must have been right, because they are seen as an upright, responsible public body. Perhaps it may therefore, put things into a slightly different perspective when I reveal that yet another far more reputable public body (the Port of London Authority), have formally lodged their objection to the BW claim over the riverbed.As to the river wall, laying aside any claims to adverse possession by boaters, the property was purchased by the Council in earlier years, with the laudable intent of ensuring continuity of boat-building and repair facilities. That went by the board when flat-builders loomed onto the scene - and both they and Hither Green saw no value in challenging BW’s false claim to ownership of the river wall. The fall-out is now being felt by the innocent newcomers to the scene, as a consequence of the efforts of the illegally disenfranchised to defend themselves in any way they see possible. I don’t have to agree with the method of asserting his rights (and those actions do not in themselves ‘justify a claim to property rights’, they simply flag the issue for attention), to recognise that the foundations of the resentment and outrage lie with the remorseless theft by conscienceless bureaucrats with the supine acquiescence of the true owners. Even so, as the PLA entry into the combat establishes, there could never have been legitimate legal grounds for the evictions of the Council approved moored boats.As I have said, there were always fairer ways of dealing with things, even supposing any legitimacy to the Hither Green and prior BW actions. Even now, bullying could and should give way to sincere diplomacy in a belated effort at an equitable solution.Jessica - you are welcome to quote from what I have written, which is public domain anyway, and meanwhile I will try to contact the gentleman complained of, to see if he is prepared to talk to you.

Nigel Moore ● 6166d

I seriously doubt it Neil, I'm not sure what action would be open to them. British Waterways may have engendered the situation, and they began litigation in the first place to dislodge the council approved moorers so that their own (more lucrative to them) concept could be emplaced. However they have left Hither Green (the developer) holding the baby so far as coping with the fallout.Probably the residents could call upon Hither Green to deal with the recurring incidents at Hither Green's own expense rather than at the residents' expense. Perhaps they could also encourage Hither Green to re-think their BW inspired mooring strategy. The Council's original requirement for mooring improvements here as part of the S106's could be quite economically achieved, and if the original moorers were to be encouraged to participate, the outcome could be both equitable and attractive.As it is, the same situation bedevils Watermans' Park. Boaters have sought to legitimise their status and offer not only to pay mooring fees to the Council, but volunteer riverbed clean-up. They can scarcely do more, yet are turned down flat because the possibility is seen for a more profitable outcome some time in the future.It should be borne in mind that the evicted boats from Ferry Quays had been paying houseboat licence fees to BW for years. That only stopped when BW wanted to play developer, and so refused to renew the licences. That is a very different situation from the perceived one of irresponsible squatters.

Nigel Moore ● 6169d

I also will not name names, and in fact he is perfectly well known to the police. They are taking a courteous restrained attitude precisely because he has been acquitted of any crime. His purpose, frustrating and costly as it is to residents, is to maintain claim to the quayside.This is not the same thing as revenge on the evictors, who were not Ferry Quays but British Waterways. The Ferry Quays developers were naturally complicit in the proceedings, but have themselves no rightful claim to ownership of the unregistered land in dispute. At one point they did try to claim it, but have, apparently,  subsequently ceded the claim to BW (who have less rightful claim than anyone else).'Illegally moored boats'? Says who? The River Brent is a tidal arm of the sea so far as the Boatman's Institute, and as such remains in the public desmesne as a free right of public navigation (for every Englishman anyway). Those rights have remained protected from 1216 to the present day through every curtailment of other rights as enshrined in Magna Carta.Sadly, whenever big money and powerful corporations attempt to  ride roughshod over these public rights in favour of control and financial perks, any fallout affects the innocent locals most.In this particular instance I find myself in sympathy with both camps (as in former and current residents). The real villain in the piece is unaffected. I won't pretend to knowledge of the rights and wrongs, nor of any potential solution, but it's always of interest to glimpse the other side.

Nigel Moore ● 6568d