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Surely it's David Hughes who is causing this thread's problems because he is is making serious claims about many matters without specifying how many people are involved..etc etc and can't even answer my simple question whan I asked who is making staff stay at home.He stated,amongst other things:Agency Staff that have had no traingAgency Staff who have no health and saftey TrainingAgency Staff who do not hold the correct licence for the transport.-------------------------------How many is he talking about?  Are these Agency staff who were there before? Or are they Agency staff who are starting  work now?Alan: you say that the ICG "is more than happy to have the most vunerable to be treated in a shoddy way"  Let's have some facts..not low level Labour Party sniping!Is there a Report we can look at which proposed change and described shortcomings? We surely want to have a good social service for those genuine in need, without financial wastage, or leakage and with sound organisation.Maybe the ICG are not very good at producing detailed facts on work practices..but your thousands Labour colleagues, many working for the Council, should be able to.A visit to the Labour Party Website Forum produces the sight of such dire postings, without facts, that one is left wondering.  It's awful.  And then you produce the same shallow snippings in newsletters to residents.  Thank goodness we have Cllr Gerald Macgregor to look after local taxpayers interests. I'm a student of facts and figures. Let's have some please.

Jim Lawes ● 6439d

In and ealier post Cllr. Cadbury set out some of the problems with the current service (see below). It looks to me like The ICG is more than happy to have the most vulnerable treated in a shoddy way. What a disgrace, they shoud be ashamed of themselves. Can ICG Councillors please answer for the substantive isseus highlighted Cllr. Cadbury."There is truth in what David Hughes is saying about the day centres and the impact on service users - and in fact there is more that I have only just become aware of.  Most of the problems arise from the continued use of agency staff based at the day centres, who are also doing escort duties on the buses.  The problems then impact on drivers, and there are some agency staff driving now too.  If neither the escort or the river know the route, then you have a recipe for problems.  One family that I know of has submitted a formal complaint, after users were on the bus for 3 hours getting home recently, not allowed a toilet break or even to stretch their legs (some are people who are at a higher than normal risk of DVT).David, I am not sure you are right about users having only half-days now.  What has happened is that the changes in staff shift pattern (to allow centre workers to now do escort duties) means that there are not enough full-day staff who an take users out over the middle of the day - shopping, classes, leisure etc - so they are spending the whole day, every day, inside the day-centre.  Surely a retrograde step which feels as if their life is more like those service-users of the 1950s."

Alan Sheerins ● 6439d

AdamIf you are saying what I think you are saying, after all that everyone has been through I would be surprised if any of my colleagues would be prepared to reconsider our current coalition arrangements in the light of some unwritten, tactical and in all likelihood temporary shift by the current Labour Group.  For as long as the current mentality prevails, we would forever be watching our backs.  I believe that the psychology of the local party needs to change fundamentally.Whatever impression I may give to the contrary it is not and never has been my intention to destroy the Labour Party locally.  I actually believe that the borough, and local democracy, needs a thriving Labour Party.I confess to a great deal of disappointment at the way in which the party has reacted to its defeat at the local elections.  Its policy-makers and strategists seem to have concluded that their downfall was brought about by not being cynical, dishonest or manipulative enough and have gone to great lengths to build on these "qualities", which the local party already possessed in abundance.  For me, as they say, that wasn't in the script.  I truly believed that following their massive defeat they would go away, take a good look at themselves and regroup in a different, better form.  Most of them are decent individuals, it defies logic to think that they cannot function as a decent party with decent principles and ethics. According to their new website over 60 members attended a recent joint function held by the two local constituency parties.  Even making allowance for some exaggeration, the photo shows about 40 attendees.  By the law of averages there must be someone, somewhere amongst that lot who will have a lurking suspicion that their current strategy has been less than a roaring success, and even - dare we hope - that some benefit might be had by changing it.  But I have to say Adam that if that is the case, I've yet to see any evidence of it.Thus the struggle, and the ICG, goes on.

Phil Andrews ● 6445d

It's time, is it not, to take this David Hughes thread a bit more seriously, having read the response from Ruth Cadbury.Surely we want those in genuine need and help to be looked after and to be given opportunities to normalise their lives with attendance at Day Care Centres and other places of Social Assistance.The logistical challenges of getting clients to and from the centres needs to be met in the best way possible..and staff working at the Centre need to be trained, retrained and their work appraised and appreciated.In recent months, when attending Community events, I've been surprised to observe just how many people, including children, are in need of care.  Reading Dave's initial posting about untrained Agency Staff (indeed the need to use Agency staff at all), the organisation, and best use (and best working practices) of staff available.... is a subject that requires closer understanding and competant action.Personally, I cannot believe that the Council Executive,and their colleagues,are wishing to make savings and  changes to the Council's Social Services..unless they had seen that there were some financial leakages..or weak organisation and  practices.------------------------------------------------------Here is Dave's opening message again. Agreed I'm as guilty as others in posting messages on this thread ..that somewhat ignore this initial complaint.--------------------------------------------""Agency Staff that have had no training.""""Agency Staff who have no health and safety training.""""Agency Staff who do not hold the correct licence for the transport.""""Different agency staff turning up each day ..to pick up vunarable people with out clue how to help them.""""Staff who are now working late into the evening trying to sort the mess out with the agency staff""""Staff being laid up at home on full pay while the Agency clocks up £14.00 an hour to do the jobs.""""Possible intimidation of the staff to quit.""""Special days out that have been arranged (to take people coming to the centres) cancelled as the agency are incapable of being able to manage such conditions.""""and last but not least that persistent rumours abound that one of the Tory group is a silent partner in the agency that is being used""  Whether this is true or not... we will have to see the memeber's interests that have been declared""""I believe the union maybe looking into the matter further.""""Apart from the 1/2 day of care that people now get..( instead of a full day of care due to this total chaos).. the staff are really trying their best to cope.""----------------------------------------------------------Each of David's observations need to be individually understood,questioned and explored.They are serious claims and I seriously believe that the Conservative/ICG Group spokesmen should give better answers to Forum viewers!! ;0)

Jim Lawes ● 6446d