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I think you might have done better by looking to reduce management costs at Hounslow Homes. The cuts seem to be targetted at front line activities. Hounslow Homes' management structures have been largely immune from efficiency savings in recent years, and I am sure there is some dead wood here.For the record, I am opposed to the scale of increases in service charges and will detail my position on Tuesday.I am glad you recognise that what you should be doing is defending your current policies and inviting opponents to state their case. I am always happy to do so. Harking to the past is no defence for current shortcomings.I note from yesterday's Chronicle:-1) A failing school in Feltham2) Concerns about the Council's parking Taliban in Brentford3) Complaints about rat infestation in Watermead Estate4) A demand that the council "stop asking people to live in squalor"5) Disunity among residents on Ivybridge6) Dissatisfaction about care provision by Hounslow CouncilI don't hold you or your fellow executive members personally resposible for these alleged failings, but I suggest you must agree that all is not well at Hounslow Council. You were elected on the basis of criticism of the failings of your predecessors. Your future prospects will be based on your performance in office, not by reiterating your predecessors' failings as a defence for your own.You will note that I did not join the earlier debate when you claimed success on Ivybridge. I will continue to remain outside that debate as it is not in my area. However, a lesson from recent developments may well be not to be premature in boasting of success. Egg on the face can be difficult to clean off!Last of the week

John Connelly ● 6847d

JohnI appreciate that you absented yourself from previous debates on Ivybridge, but as you have entered the debate now you will hopefully permit me to address your comments.The Chronicle article about Ivybridge was, frankly, the biggest load of tosh that has appeared in that paper for many a year.  A complete misrepresentation of the facts from start to finish.  One can only speculate as to the Chronicle's motives for repeatedly promoting imaginary "wars" between residents on the estate, but there is not a grain of truth in the suggestion that there is a significant body of opposition on the estate to the new, united association - not a shred.Far from being a "war" between "groups of residents", this whole story is in fact about one individual (a former ICG committee member, as it happens) who has refused to accept the result of a democratic election for the post of Chair, conducted in the presence of scores of residents, members of both NITA and Ivytag, elected councillors and officers of Hounslow Homes.Having failed to persuade a group of disinterested neighbours to come along to an EGM to secure his election as Chair he then, several months later, managed to drag them along to a meeting of a committee of which they were not members and insisted that they be admitted, protesting loudly that they had in fact been present at the EGM and had been elected to the committee, a claim which he knows full well to be patently and demonstrably untrue.The current committee of 23 residents (plus several youth representatives) comprises former officers of the HH-recognised New Ivybridge Tenants' Association (NITA) and of the independent residents' group Ivytag.  It is chaired by the former Chair of NITA and includes amongst its leading members two former Chairs of Ivytag.At the meeting which united the two groups after years of fighting, only one dissenting voice (a former NITA member) was raised, from a gentleman who was not prepared to accept unity with Ivytag.  To this has now been added the voice of a former Ivytag member, who for some reason had been possessed of the peculiar notion that my agenda was to replace one exclusive and elitist association with another, run by him.These two residents, who oppose the united association separately and each for quite different reasons, apparently constitute an army engaged in a "war between residents' groups".I appreciate that this is probably of little interest to you, as it will be to most other posters, but from past experience it is unlikely that the Chronicle would publish any rebuttal of its absurd article and so I am grateful for the opportunity which you have given me to give a true account of events.If the other articles to which you refer attained a similar standard of accuracy then I would not be inclined to allow them to influence the council's policies and strategies.I do not, as it happens, think the current administration is perfect, nor that we have done evrything right.  There will always be problems, there will always be difficulties.  There will always be things which we will get wrong.The difference between ourselves and our predecessors is that we do not consider ourselves to be perfect or incapable of error, and we recognise that we are there for the benefit of the public and not the other way around.And, if we cock it up and are voted out of office, you will not find us blaming the voters as a certain former Leader of the Council and mutual acquanitance of ours did following his second drubbing at Hanworth Park.

Phil Andrews ● 6847d

PhilI wanted to ask you a few things about the Article which i only read yesterday if i may.I know whats going on on Ivybridge and i feel its a shame after all the hard work you and i did to try to get everyone working together but I've got to say that i don't think it comes down to Mr Ayoby being Jealous over not being Chair as if you remember at the beginning he handed over to the Chair a Bunch of Flowers and a Card (no one else did) i think what he is upset with is that residents are being excluded (again) and the fact on December 18th at a Resident Meeting he was verbally and wrongly attacked by the Secretary of the U.R.A and wrongfully accused of passing info on to me which he hasn't done.As to turning residents away..i remember years ago whilst i was on NITA and the 2 Sally's were in charge we let residents into our meetings but they wasn't allowed to talk and if something confidential came up they would be asked to leave the room (something like your Executive Meetings etc) it seems people have things to hide.Also can you clarify something for me A Resident Association consist of Residents who are working/representing the residents who live on there Estate am i correct?If this is the case why does certain individuals on the U.R.A want to keep everything secret from residents its about time Resident meetings were Web cammed...I thought you stated you wanted a R.A on Ivybridge where ALL residents can be part off this isn't happening mate.I wanted to ask you two things regarding the article and what the Chairwoman has stated if i may?1. She states that the limit for the U.R.A is 23, can i ask you in their constitution (drawn up by Hounslow Homes) it does not state how many residents can join, in that case she is wrong? 2. She states "You cant just add them halfway through the year" another statement if i am right is completely wrong.It doesn't say in the constitution that residents can only join at a A.G.M..residents can join at anytime am i correct?The only thing they cant do until a A.G.M is to vote a new Chair, V.C, Treasurer and Secretary..if someone stands down from one of these positions then they can elect a Member to that post but only as "Acting...."I think its a shame all this has happened on Ivybridge but i can assure you its not Jealousy Phil, i know Mr Ayoby has had several meetings with the Racial Equality Group and other Residents have attended aswell and told them they are fed up with whats happening and how they feel excluded.I hope everyone can sort there differences out over there as Yours and I good work was for nothing and i will be very sad.

Simon Anderson ● 6845d

SimonTo be honest this was the response I had been expecting from you yesterday, and I feel you have let yourself down as everybody had been prepared to take your protestations that you were no longer involved in this business at face value.  However it would be a mistake for you to try to take me and everybody else involved for fools.Just to clarify, everybody living on the estate is automatically a member of the association.  The gang which Mr. Ayoby brought to a meeting were refused entry because it was a committee meeting.  They were not members of the committee, and were ipso facto not entitled to attend a committee meeting.Mr. Ayoby attempted to challenge this on the grounds that the aforesaid group of residents had in fact been present at the EGM at which the committee had been elected, and had been elected to office.  In order to sustain this ridiculous claim it was necessary for everybody who had been present at that EGM - former NITA and Ivytag leaders, Hounslow Homes officers, councillors and numerous other observers - to have been complicit in some gigantic conspiracy to keep these people (none of whom had been major players in any of the previous disputes) off the committee.  Mr. Ayoby knows this is nonsense, I know it is nonsense and you know it is nonsense.I am sorry if there are people who thought that my assumption of the Housing portfolio on the new Executive would lead to some kind of Stalinist blood purge of non-ICG people in our associations and their forced replacement by people with the "right" affiliations.  However I have never at any time professed that to be my intention, and nobody had the right to presume that it was.  I like to think I am better than that.I haven't given up the last fourteen years of my life to get rid of the old guard and their ways just so that, at the first opportunity available to me, I could start to act like them.

Phil Andrews ● 6845d

To be honest this was the response I had been expecting from you yesterday, and I feel you have let yourself down as everybody had been prepared to take your protestations that you were no longer involved in this business at face value.  However it would be a mistake for you to try to take me and everybody else involved for fools.PHIL I WAS JUST ASKING YOU SOME HONEST QUESTIONS THERE IS NO NEED FOR YOU TO GO DEFENSIVE ON ME LIKE THIS.I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A HONEST POSTING ABOUT THE SITUATION ON IVYBRIDGE THATS ALL.Just to clarify, everybody living on the estate is automatically a member of the association.  The gang which Mr. Ayoby brought to a meeting were refused entry because it was a committee meeting.  They were not members of the committee, and were ipso facto not entitled to attend a committee meeting.AS FAR AS I KNOW MR AYOBY DID NOT BRING THEM THEY ASKED HIM IF THEY COULD ATTEND HE SAID HE WASNT SURE BUT THE "COMMITTEE" IS THERE REPRESENTING THESE PEOPLE SO WHY CANT THEY BE INVOLVED?AND WHY ARE RESIDENTS BEING TURNED AWAY?Mr. Ayoby attempted to challenge this on the grounds that the aforesaid group of residents had in fact been present at the EGM at which the committee had been elected, and had been elected to office.  In order to sustain this ridiculous claim it was necessary for everybody who had been present at that EGM - former NITA and Ivytag leaders, Hounslow Homes officers, councillors and numerous other observers - to have been complicit in some gigantic conspiracy to keep these people (none of whom had been major players in any of the previous disputes) off the committee.  Mr. Ayoby knows this is nonsense, I know it is nonsense and you know it is nonsense.I DONT KNOW IF THIS IS NONSENCE ALL I KNOW IS THOSE RESIDENTS WHO SAY THEY JOINED AT THE AGM BY PUTTING THERE NAME ON A LIST HAVE STATED THEY WILL MAKE STATMENTS TO THIS EFFECT..I WONDER WHY NOT VISIT THESE RESIDENTS TO GET THEIR SIDE?I am sorry if there are people who thought that my assumption of the Housing portfolio on the new Executive would lead to some kind of Stalinist blood purge of non-ICG people in our associations and their forced replacement by people with the "right" affiliations.  However I have never at any time professed that to be my intention, and nobody had the right to presume that it was.  I like to think I am better than that.I haven't given up the last fourteen years of my life to get rid of the old guard and their ways just so that, at the first opportunity available to me, I could start to act like them.PHIL AS I STATED MY POSTING WAS HONEST AND I AM SORRY AFTER ALL THE WORK I PUT INTO GETTING A NEW R.A I HATE TO SEE IT ALL CRUMBLE LIKE THIS BUT HEY I WILL KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT AND MY NOSE OUT AND LEAVE THE ETHNIC RESIDENTS TO DO THEIR THING THREW THE RACIAL EQUALITY PEOPLE BUT PLEASE DONT CRITIZE ME FOR MY HONESTY

Simon Anderson ● 6845d

SimonAs you are no longer involved in this at all and Mr. Ayoby is not sharing committee business with you then I guess all you are picking up is third-hand rumour, maybe from somebody  you bumped into at Tesco's.  However I'll respond to the best of my knowledge and ability (bearing in mind that this is a major digression from the subject matter of the thread and also only a matter of strictly local interest).Anybody can take a complaint to the Hounslow Racial Equality Council, that doesn't in itself make the complaint a valid one.  I am aware that Mr. Aboby and others (whose identities I know) have visited HREC with their grievance, and that they have been informed that there is no reason to believe that there is a racial dimension to Mr. Ayoby's complaint.  Indeed, one pleasing aspect of the new committee is that it is in my view far closer to being representative of the wider Ivybridge community than was the previous one, with if anything the majority community statistically under-represented.  I am pleased that Mr. Ayoby's friends are now so interested in joining the committee that they are prepared to lobby him to go to such lengths to argue their case.  I am all the more perplexed therefore that they did not feel motivated simply to attend the EGM when it happened and to elect Mr. Ayoby as Chair.  You will recall the Chronicle article shortly following the EGM in which, whilst everybody else expressed their euphoria at the creation of a united association, Mr. Ayoby expressed his regret at the fact that several people he had been expecting hadn't attended.  Had they done so, I seem to remember him saying, the outcome might have been different.  I was confused as to what outcome he might have been referring to, as of course the main purpose of the meeting, and his main reason for being there, had been to achieve a united association and that objective had been fulfilled.Given their new-found enthusiasm for serving their association as committee members, my advice to Mr. Ayoby's friends would be to write to the new committee expressing their willingness to be co-opted as and when vacancies arise, as invariably they do during the course of a year.Whilst it is the committee's constitutional right to nominate co-optees only as it sees fit, I am sure they would welcome new blood.I hope this advice will assist both you and Mr. Ayoby to achieve your unselfish objective of helping what is already a fair, vibrant and united association to flourish on the estate, notwithstanding the fact that you are no longer interested or involved in these matters.

Phil Andrews ● 6845d

PhilReferring to your posting on 8.2.08 @ 18.47 answering John Connelly.The individual (a former ICG committee member as it happens) you referred to, was myself. I totally agree with you the current URA committee was democratically elected. I personally supported that, at that night, i presented Mrs Tina Howe (The Chair lady of URA) with a bunch of flowers and a card, which yourself acknowledge that.Phil be honest and realistic with everyboby. You're walking on a thin ice. We on Ivybridge have trusted you and the ICG, we gave you our backing and support. You were in close contact with the Ivybridge Residents almost on a daily basis, that was prior to May election 2006.You have lost contact with your constituents on Ivybridge eversince. We haven't seen any Village News from May 2006. Ive personally raised the issue with with you on various ICG committee meetings.However the last issue was distributed days before Christmas last year, which means your constituency stayed without village news from May 2006 till Dec 2007.You lost touch with Ivybridge residents, you don't know any thing about their problems.Myself as a resident on ivybridge and Vice-Chair of URA, directly in touch with the residents on a daily basis and most of the times over weekends and night times, It is not time and fair to say the whole story is about one individual.This individual is in close contact with most of the ethnic minority as well as a considerable number of ethnic white.Since the first meeting of URA in September 2007 issues started coming up the Chair lady started behaving undemocratically and unconstitutionally backed all the way by you Phil. I kept quiet and gagged. The pressure from residents to start growing bigger and bigger, especially from the ethnic minority.Just before the first URA meeting, we've received invitation to attend the first committee meeting.Five of Ex IVYTAG members, (they happened to be from the ethnic Minority0 did not receive and notificationIve checked with the secretary of URA, i was told that he received a list of only twenty members, then phoned you Phil and you told me only twenty people have signed, i ensisted that those five missing members have signed, you directed me to your assistant Andy Sibley.Andy insisted that they were only twenty. Then asked him to check the original sheet in which members have signed, the answer was it got lost.I believe that the secretary of URA was right about the list he received from you only twenty names the cock ups happened at your end.Strongly the members increased to 23 and not 20 as it appears in your posting. Come on and make up your mind.You've lost touch with your constituents on ivybridge. For Months since URA election you haven't a clue about what is going on and residents started questioning your situation.A group of senior residents (two of them are disabled) their average age is about 62 they wanted to attend the URA meeting on 18th Dec 2007 so they turned up, personally i had nothing to do with their attendance, although they have all the right to be present as residents to observe what is going on. They were turned away by the Chair lady.Going back to the 5 missing members, 3 of them have moved out of the estate. The remaining 2 residents still living on the estate.1. Mr Ahmed Abdullah residing at No48 Easedale House2. Elbastir Khaini Residing at No.34 Easedale House.Mr Ahmed Abdulah is university student and basket ball coach for youths. Which we should all be very proud.After you got what you wanted, Ivybridge matter wasn't priority anymore. You are in full control of the URA. Things havent changed at all from the old regime, Residents are treated as Aliens and ignored completely.Furthermore, i was the one who asked and suggested the United Resident Ass. of Ivybridge and stood up and defended you in that meeting during which that ex member of NITA stood up and talked a motion not to abolish NITA also contested you to be chairing that meeting.I will answer all your allegations against me separately.My advice to you Phil do not ignore the voice of residents on IvybridgeAl AyobyVice Chair URA

Al Ayoby ● 6841d

AlThank you for your comments and welcome to TW8.com.  I am glad to see that you are now using your PC and are able to participate in this forum.  I am sure you have been receipt of some expert tuition, and the only advice I can add to that which you will have received is always log out after using one name before you attempt to post under another, otherwise the consequences can be deeply embarrassing.  I am not going to engage in a protracted debate with you here for the edification of those who have worked for years to keep Ivybridge divided.  As far as the ICG goes, you are right to say that there was an unacceptably long period between newsletters, which arose because there had been so many changes, with four key members becoming councillors for the first time and the whole Group being involved with the administration of the council for the first time.  However that is in the past and the leaflets have now resumed.To suggest that I am no longer involved on Ivybridge is absolute nonsense.  I am on the estate several times each week, meeting residents, officers of Hounslow Homes and others.  Not sitting in your living room does not mean not being on the estate.The most recent disagreement has emerged, in my view, because neither you and your adviser seem able to understand how a committee - any committee - works.  One cannot simply turn up to a meeting of a committee of which one isn't a member and demand to attend.  Committees are democratically elected each year at an Annual General Meeting (or in this case, at an Extraordinary General Meeting).  Members can be co-opted mid-term as and when vacancies become available, but whether and who is the prerogative of the existing committee members.You have attempted to circumvent this by claiming that the people in question were present at the EGM, and were elected to the committee.  You say the list of volunteers from that night was lost.  I have some bad news for you - the list wasn't lost, I have it in my possession.  The people on the list are the people who were elected to the committee on that night, nobody else.My advice to your friends (I am assuming you had their permission to post their names and addresses on this forum), if they now wish to serve on the committee, is to write to the Secretary of the Association and register their interest.  Vacancies invariably arise during the course of a year and it would be in the Association's interests to embrace as many new talents and offers of help as are available to it.  For what it is worth my advice to the Secretary will certainly be to do so.Al, I regret the fact that you are not happy with the way the new association has turned out, having clearly believed (without any prompting from me, I must add) that my agenda was a different one.  I also regret the loss of your friendship.  However I am fiercely proud of the fact that I have resisted obvious temptations and have behaved with absolute honour and integrity in the face of demands from a small minority of my erstwhile colleagues to use the change of administration to settle old scores and exact revenge on old adversaries.  That is the way of the people we defeated, it is not my way.  I am better than that.I've no doubt that certain people will be along to this forum sooner rather than later to stir the pot in the hope of turning an isolated dispute into a deep, terminal division between residents.  Ironically some of these will be the same people who were actively encouraging your exclusion and those of some of your friends prior to the change of administration.  It's a funny old world, isn't it?But I will stay true to my principles whether those who are scheming, threatening and screaming abuse at me are my political opponents or those who once called themselves my allies.  It makes not for an easier life, but at least I get to sleep easier that way.

Phil Andrews ● 6841d