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0% Council Tax increase (again)

From the front page in case you missed it..Hounslow residents could be looking at a second year of zero per cent increase in their council tax, if the council meeting on 4th March votes in favour of budget proposals. Council Leader Peter Thompson, commented, “This year has been particularly difficult for us. Most of what we spend comes from Government and we have received the worst settlement for a decade. The below inflation settlement unfairly penalises both the Council and local residents.“Despite all this we hope to freeze our element of the council tax for the second year running, so residents will not pay anything extra to the council. “Many people have asked me how we have managed this with miserly settlements from central government and cost pressures. Thanks to careful financial planning, we have been able to manage without reducing front line services and we will be increasing our spending on services that residents have told us matter to them. “We have had to take some tough decisions about how spend residents’ money. In addition we have made savings by identifying where we can do things differently, or more efficiently.“Too many families are being crippled by high bills. It is up to us to respond by lessening our tax burden. This will be particularly good news to pensioners and those on low pay who don’t qualify for council tax benefits.”The agenda for the Borough Council meeting on Tuesday 4 March is available at http://213.210.33.3/ieListDocuments.asp?CId=254&MId=4335&J=3 February 26, 2008

Paul Fisher ● 6360d77 Comments

VanessaI'm grateful for this latest reminder of the difference between the way in which you and most of the rest of us conduct our political business.  Consider the following:1. Vanessa Smith was not a good councillor.2. Vanessa Smith is a convicted cat-strangler.Can you not see the difference?Number 1 is a statement of opinion.  It might be my view but it would not be your view.  Nonetheless it is the reasonable expression of one person's viewpoint.Number 2 is (presumably) a completely untrue statement.  Slanderous if spoken, libellous if written.  Unlike in slander and malicious falsehood, in libel a statement is considered false unless it can be demonstrated to be true.Now here is question for you to reflect upon Vanessa.  In libel, which of the two do you think "ICG members accept financial bribes in exchange for their vote" falls under?It speaks volumes that you and your political ilk are apparently unable to differentiate between the two.You give an impression of being fiercely proud of your indifference to the truth, but it hasn't got you very far has it?  It is one thing to gloat if your actions, deplorable though they may be, actually serve to achieve some kind of objective.  In your case however your moral depravity has consigned you directly to the political scrapheap, yet still you see it as cause for smugness and self-congratulation.  I find that rather weird.When ex-councillor Dave Hughes first made this allegation I thought, perhaps naively, that it was one which his political colleagues past and present (and future?) would seek to place themselves at some distance from.  Thus far, however, we have seen Corinna Smart ignore it, Alan Sheerins repeat it, John Connelly try to reinterpret it and you dismiss it as legitimate political criticism.  You people really do operate at the scummy end of local politics, don't you?  You'll probably never know just how many people your political come-uppance, and that of some of your friends, has given pleasure to.  The next two years or so will see the job finished off, and it really couldn't happen to nicer people.

Phil Andrews ● 6342d

"Phil, there is nothing libellous in pointing out the fact that in return for your support for the Tories you receive a large allowance as one of the two ICG members of the Executive."John, I have suggested more than once that you would appear to have been drawing closer to your former colleagues in recent weeks and I have invited fellow forum users to watch this space.  This is, however, the first time you have so blatantly come to their rescue in this way by offering them a get-out when the allegation being made against me is clearly something far less benign than you suggest.  You must realise that I have asked directly on several occasions whether the accusation being made is that I have accepted financial inducements in exchange for my vote.  This interpretation has never been denied by any of the spokespeople for the Labour Group who post on here, or by any of the 24 Labour members whom I challenged about it at the last Borough Council meeting.I believe the allegation has been made by Alan Sheerins because he is now living in Ireland and thus considers that he is "out of reach" and can therefore say what he likes without fear of being called to account, and by David Hughes because he is, well, David Hughes.Even your own interpretation of my motives, and those of my colleagues, for entering into coalition with the Conservatives is one that I find deeply offensive.  If I was motivated by money I would not be a councillor, executive or otherwise.  Unlike your good self I do not live in a state of residential comfort and financial security.  I like in a rented, overcrowded flat and work full time as a councillor.The question of allowances was never even mentioned when we negotiated the terms of the coalition with the Conservative Group, just as I assume it wasn't mentioned when you unsuccessfully attempted to negotiate for yourself a seat on the same Executive.Why do you persistently refuse to face up to the fact that the Community Group entered into coalition with the Conservatives solely as a result of the local New Labour Party's attitude towards engaging and empowering our community, an attitude it stubbornly refuses to change even as it stares into the political abyss?"The West Area Conservatives are complaining about being left out of things because they don't accept the 'inexperience' argument used against them. One has commented to me that, while 2 'inexperienced' ICG members are Chair and Vice-Chair of the Brentford and Isleworth Area Committee none of them has been allowed to hold either position down in Feltham despite the Tories being in a majority in the Area Committee"I am neither a member of the Conservative Group nor do I sit on the West Area Committee, so am at a loss to understand why you feel I should be able to explain the rationale behind how the Chair and Vice Chair were selected over there.  Why not ask one of those involved?  All I do know is that when the Chair and Vice Chair of the WAC were chosen, they were both members of your Group!"Is it coincidence that the Independent Chair and Vice-Chair just happen to vote with the Tories and ICG most of the time bringing the alliance numbers up to 31 out of 60?"30 actually, but I digress.  You forget to mention that both councillors were actually members of your own Group, before they felt they could no longer work with you.  But as to whether it is a coincidence or not, why not ask them?How did they vote at Borough Council at the budget meeting - for many the most important meeting in the council's calendar (including you, I would guess, considering how much you have had to say on the subject)?  Such an important meeting, in fact, that 59 of the borough's 60 councillors made the effort to attend.How did you vote?

Phil Andrews ● 6343d

Phil Can you explain where you get the £2m figure from for Park Rangers?  I have it as £0.5m, one element of the alternative budget that the Lib Dem group supported.It would have been good if the Labour group had produced a paper explaining how this scheme would be introduced - not that difficult to do or justify given the many Park Rangers schemes operating elsewhere around the country.For the full Lib Dem response to the budget visit: http://www.hounslowlibdems.org.uk/news/000326/lib_dems_back_alternative_zero_percent_budget__propose_1m_climate_change_fund.htmlOur paper on establishing a Climate Change Fund in Hounslow can be downloaded from:  http://www.hounslowlibdems.org.uk/resources/sites/82.165.40.25-419b2257da4f73.33615841/Hounslow+Climate+Change+Fund+Paper+-+19+February+2008.pdfAs this Lib Dem proposal for a £1m Climate Change Fund (and after some constructive dialogue, a number of other sound measures) was included in the alternative budget the Labour group brought forward, the Lib Dem group supported the alternative budget.  This climate fund model has now been established by a number of local authorities.In the context of the overall Council budget, and the wider economy, £2m may not seem a huge difference between the parties - perhaps concensus really has broken out between all the parties and there is no longer any real choice?  No, I believe had the measures in the alternative budget been supported by some of the other groups/ independents on the council (which lets not forget still delivered 0% council tax increase, whilst remaining within Audit Commission guidelines on balances) it would have both enabled Hounslow to accelerate the process of becoming a leader in addressing climate change and also ensured that front line services like social worker teams and adult education courses were not cut back.In my view last full council was a disappointing night as 0% was delivered with a real cost to this and future generations - the cut backs went beyond efficiency savings. (The Lib Dems supported many millions of efficiency savings, which we felt were broadly acceptable, through scrutiny and then full borough council.)  I hope the Tory-ICG administration will not delay too many more weeks before advertising for an Energy Manager (as promised at the previous full council) ...and many months before investing in an energy efficiency/ climate change mitigation fund.As Baron Stern of Brentford could tell you, time is fast running out.Andrew

Andrew Dakers ● 6343d

VanessaYou are of course absolutely right to suggest that different people have different reasons for voting in the way in which they do.  What cannot be denied however is that there was, over the period between 1994 when the ICG was formed and 2002 when you lost your seat, a seismic shift in allegiance, by a very significant number of people, from Labour to the ICG.  I dare say there were one or two people somewhere who shifted in the opposite direction for whatever reason, however the trend remains clear.My point is that there must have been some change in the way in which a significant number of people read events in order to bring that shift about.  It would doubtless be true to say that national factors, and borough-wide (as opposed to strictly Isleworth) factors will have played their part, however the same shift was not replicated on the same scale throughout the borough and hence one needs to delve deeper if one wishes to understand the reason why events took the course they did.If I have missed something then I will readily apologise, however I think I can honestly say that you have never, anywhere, at any time, publicly acknowledged that you and/or the Labour Party in Isleworth ever made a mistake of any kind which might have contributed to your reversal of fortunes.  I find that extraordinary.  I also take great comfort from it because history teaches that those who fail to learn from their mistakes (or in your case even to acknowledge them) will continue to repeat them.You probably didn't p*** anybody off as much as I have with Simon Anderson.  However I would venture that had he been on the scene during your time in office you most certainly would have done.  Whatever my criticisms of you I acknowledge that one of your great strengths (and weaknesses) is that you do not gladly suffer fools.  I have suffered one for quite a few years, although I can't say gladly, and if anybody is to be recommended for an MBE for saintly patience then I would respectfully ask Jason Stanley if he would consider recommending me.

Phil Andrews ● 6345d

AlanYour response was of the "yah-boo" genre and one which I would more have expected from your colleague Dave Hughes than from your good self.  Very disappointing.  I regret to have to tell you that the "pressure" of which you speak is entirely illusory, a figment of your imagination and pure wishful thinking.  You know as well as I do that the sorry performance of the Labour Group since your drubbing at the hands of our community at the 2006 local elections has been variously regarded with amusement and embarrassment.  The borough derives no benefit from the fact that the only meaningful opposition these days emanates from four Liberal Democrats and a couple of scattered independents.  I am sure that one day the Labour Group will do something to address this, but sadly there are no signs of it happening as yet.Anyway my offer to you, which still stands, was as follows:"Please point out which questions you have asked of me on this forum which I haven't answered and I will respond to them, subject to you answering the following for the education of posters who may be new to this debate..."On past form I don't anticipate a response from you to any of these questions.  Instead I expect yet another application of your usual distraction tactic in which the roles are reversed and I become the avoider, or even (the sheer audacity of it, considering) "morally corrupt".I would draw your attention to your own comments about the old, rejected New Labour administration, viz. "I would not say I agreed with everything that was done".Not only is this reassuring for those of us who tend to see today's Labour Party member as something akin to a dalek, but also suggests that you accept political decisions to be the product of compromise.  How much more of a compromise then would you expect a decision to be which emerged from a coalition?  Which naturally leads me to ask you what your view is of the Community Group's enabling Motion, passed at last week's Borough Council, declaring the local authority's commitment to enhancing community engagement and participation on a non-party political basis?The one which New Labour could bring itself to support.

Phil Andrews ● 6349d

Okay Al, you have me.  Please point out which questions you have asked of me on this forum which I haven't answered and I will respond to them, subject to you answering the following for the education of posters who may be new to this debate:1. Is it true that the New Labour administration closed the Isleworth Day Care Centre (Answer YES/NO)?2. Is it true that the New Labour administration closed John Aird House (Answer YES/NO)?3. Is it true that the New Labour administration attempted to close the Chiswick Child & Family Centre, and only failed to do so as a result of a courageous rebellion by a small handful of its own councillors (Answer YES/NO)?4. Is it true that in 2002 the New Labour administration proposed to siphon £3,000,000 from the funds which had been earmarked by the government for education by deleting provision for nursery nurses, and following a popular protest "listened to the people" by trimming the cut to "only" £1,000,000 (Answer YES/NO)?5. Is it true that each year since the introduction of the Council Tax the New Labour administration has increased the tax by above the rate of inflation and simultaneously cut services (Answer YES/NO)?6. Is it true that your New Labour colleague, the former Syon councillor and Deputy Leader of the Council, came onto this forum at about this time last year and declared "the Labour council didn't make cuts" (Answer YES/NO)?Predicted responses:Total avoidance of questions (Alan Sheerins) - 3/1"This is about now, don't talk about the past" (John Connelly) - 5/1Unintelligible rant (Dave Hughes) - 10/11 fav.Volley of personal abuse (Vanessa Smith) - 2/1Bonus question: Is it true that the good people of the London Borough of Hounslow saw through your bullsh*t and kicked New Labour out of office in May 2006 (Answer YES/NO)?

Phil Andrews ● 6356d

The London Borough of Hounslow, like most other London authorities, has been compelled to make budget savings year upon year.  Even with a 5% increase in Council Tax, above which we would have been capped, several million pounds of savings would have needed to have been made.Apologists for the old administration on this and the W4 forum would have you believe that budget savings are something new to the current administration, a thing which didn't happen when New Labour were in office. This is totally dishonest, in fact the old administration had the distinction of making swingeing cuts to frontline services whilst still managing to impose Council Tax increases above the rate of inflation.  This they did in order to protect backroom jobs, in which they often had a political interest. When this is pointed out to them the fallback tactic is always to implore you not to talk about the past.  Whilst it is right that we should concentrate on the present and not the past, I for one will never pass up an opportunity to expose those who would wilfully rewrite history.The Community Group shares the aspiration of our Conservative coalition partners to keep Council Tax levels down in order to redress the injustices of the past, and is pleased that we are likely to have achieved this for the second year running.  However we have always made it clear that was a line we would not be prepared to cross in order to achieve this.I believe that line has not been crossed, and it is a tribute in particular to our Lead Member for Finance that this not inconsiderable achievement would appear to have been made for the second year running.

Phil Andrews ● 6360d