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Council gives green light to historic plan to empower community

Last night at Borough Council, immediately after the Council Tax budget had been set at a 0% "increase" for the second year running, my Community Group colleague Councillor Shirley Fisher and I submitted the following Motion:"This council has by its actions this evening emphasised its determination to change the culture of the London Borough of Hounslow from one of a high-tax, bureaucracy-serving authority to one in which the interests and well-being of its residents are considered paramount."As a further means of emphasising that priority this council recognises and henceforth accepts as its core principle that it is the servant of the residents of the London Borough of Hounslow and not their master."This council undertakes to make every reasonable effort to engage with the community it serves, an early example of which being the well-attended and useful consultation event staged earlier during the budget-making process.  It further undertakes to ascertain and to understand the wishes of the local community, and to uphold them and implement them as a matter of policy."This council undertakes to extend its support and assistance to all independent community organisations which can reasonably demonstrate that they represent the aspirations of the community they serve, without seeking to influence or direct those organisations in any way other than with their consent."Furthermore this council accepts as a fundamental principle the equal right of all residents to participate in all fields of community and  civic activity, and deplores any action which might give office or other advantage to any on grounds of political preference or affiliation."This council therefore instructs the Executive member responsible for improving community engagement following Annual Borough Council in May 2008 to investigate and thereafter to implement measures through which the consultative and participatory processes may be improved, and all officers to recognise and to actively assist in the delivery of this policy."The purpose of this Motion was to give the Community Group's commitment to empowering residents pride of place alongside low taxation in the local authority's list of priorities.I introduced the Motion thus:"'Witness at all times, and when necessary use words'"These were the words of St. Francis of Assisi.  By a happy coincidence, this has always been my policy at meetings of Borough Council.  There are some who feel compelled to issue forth at every opportunity available to them, even when what they have to say has already been said by somebody else.  When the Community Group speaks at this Chamber, it is because we have something to say. "When I think back over fourteen years to the formation of the Community Group, who would have dared to hope that, one day, that the thing we strove for, the thing we existed for, would be delivered in the Council Chamber and on the brink of becoming Council policy?"In 1998, when I first became a member of this Council, this Motion would not even have found a seconder."Our founder Tom Reader must be looking down at this place tonight, and smiling."This Motion is what the Community Group brings to the coalition, and to this administration."In recent times we in the Community Group have taken a lot of stick.  For helping to drive through two low-tax budgets we have been accused of rolling over for our coalition partners."We have beend described as ersatz Conservatives."We have been publicly accused, by one former councillor who was here earlier this evening, of taking financial payments in exchange for our vote - an accusation which, incidentally, has found no detractors from his colleagues here in this Council Chamber."I have been described by one current councillor, who is not here tonight, as being 'a Tory rent boy' - whatever that means."We have been charged with being weak, being naïve, being a pushover – all this from the same people who, at the same time, would have others believe that we entered this Council with sinister intent and with a cunning masterplan of our own."Well, this is the masterplan, here before you tonight.  It is called empowering our community."Some will instinctively shun this, such is their nature."Others will pour scorn, others still will fail to see its significance.  'What has this got to do with the budget', they will ask?  'What has this got to do with money?  Isn’t this just a lot of words, a lot of rhetoric?'."Well no, it’s not about money.  Because important though money is, local government is about people.  All of us here, members and officers, are here to serve people."It is clear, from the conduct of some, that this is something which has long been lost sight of."What this Motion is, quite simply, is a blueprint for a new mentality, a new way of approaching our relationship with those we serve."It is the mentality which I brought to the Hounslow Homes Management Review shortly after I assumed my Executive portfolio, a mentality which found ranged against it a fierce and unholy alliance of all those whose instinct it is to dictate, to control, to dominate.  A mentality which I overcame then and, with your help by carrying this motion, will overcome again now."Rather than just being a lot of words, rather than being mere rhetoric, this is an enabling Motion."It sends the message out to our residents, to our communities, that they are back in control."This Motion isn’t just a stand-alone message, it is a Statement of Intent."If this Motion is passed, the old days of the insular, self-serving bureaucracy will be laid completely and finally to rest within the lifetime of this administration.  "That motivates me, and our Group, and the thousands of people who support our Group out there in the community far more than budget setting does.  "You are being offered the opportunity tonight to make history – please support this Motion."Being late in the evening, the biggest challenge the Motion faced was to overcome the understandable desire of members present to wrap the meeting up and go home.  Notwithstanding this, several councillors spoke to it.First into the fray was Councillor Ruth Cadbury, batting for New Labour.  Ruth poured scorn and clearly failed to see, or at least to acknowledge, its significance.  Clearly it had nothing to do the budget.  Wasn't this just a lot of words, a lot of rhetoric?Not unreasonably, Ruth attempted to defend the old administration's track record on community engagement.  Just as I knew she would, she pointed quickly to the fact that the old regime had actively helped residents' groups to secure grant funding, demonstrating at once the mentality which believes that the whole concept of community engagement revolves around money.  Other members, from other parties, were on top of the game, and it didn't need me to point out that, inadvertently, she had actually drawn attention to what was in fact the crux of the issue.  It has always been the strings attached to grant funding which has enabled New Labour to control our residents' groups, and to exclude others who are not of their number.She commented further that the Motion was the result of my alleged "obsession" with long-standing residents' issues in Isleworth, intimating that these were of little consequence.  The obvious fact - the proverbial elephant in the living room  - which is invariably missed by New Labour and others who think similarly is that the trifling matter of New Labour's historic control-freakery on the estates of Isleworth has directly resulted in its removal from power in Hounslow for the first time in 35 years and its replacement by the new coalition administration.  No amount of denial takes them away from this fact.  By denying this, they are failing to acknowledge the actual root cause of their demise.  And as somebody said last night, those who refuse to learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them.She closed her uncharacteristically short contribution with the historic words "We don't care about Isleworth!"Notwithstanding her "what's all the fuss about?" position, she and her New Labour colleagues could not bring themselves to support the Motion, and (again uncharacteristically) urged that discussion on it be curtailed due to the time.However the Motion received the support of all Conservative, Liberal Democrat, West Area Independent and Chiswick Independent councillors in the Chamber (Councillor John Connelly of the Hounslow Independent Alliance was not present at the meeting).For the Lib Dems, Councillor Andrew Dakers enthused that the concept should embrace not just traditional residents' groups but also the budget making process, and other worthy initiatives such as the visioning project for Brentford High Street in which he, along with some other councillors (including Labour members), has been heavily involved.  Had I had the opportunity to sum up at that late hour, I would have called upon the words of Mao Tse-Tung by means of an endorsement of his fine contribution - "let a thousand flowers bloom!"It was an interesting debate, supported with surprising enthusiasm by many including at least two maiden speeches in spite of the lateness of its introduction, and one which clearly rattled those who still hold dear to the old ways and who have learned absolutely nothing from their consequent rejection by the voters.The Motion has been passed, but the meat has still to be put on the bones.  Watch this space.

Phil Andrews ● 6679d34 Comments

SarahI didn't see many similarities between William Mann's posting and any of Simon's, but I guess we do all perceive things differently.I'm glad you acknowledge that concerns on Ivybridge are not exclusively local, but rather do have a wider relevance both in terms of the general aesthetic quality of the wider area and because there is no good reason to assume that practises engaged in by a political administration in one locality would not, under similar conditions, be replicated elsewhere.The estate has indeed improved immeasurably in terms of safety and general appearance over the past twenty-five years, and as this happened under a Labour administration all credit must go where credit is due.There are still problems and it has the capacity to improve further.  As you rightly say, things work best where there is "full co-operative partnership".  This had not been the case prior to the recent change of administration and there was fierce resistance to my efforts to bring this change about, from New Labour and the senior officers which it had placed in charge of our arms' length housing operation, when we took office and I used my stewardship of the Hounslow Homes Management Review to try to drive such changes through.  In the event the co-ordinated and sustained campaign of resistance came to nothing.It is perhaps ironic that the most vocal opposition to the new unity is now coming from a tiny number of former ICG supporters (although judging by Ruth's posting New Labour would seem to have seized rather gratefully upon their discontent), however this for me does not change the overriding principle one iota.I have only ever sought a level playing field.  That has now been achieved.  A committee was elected democratically and there are opportunities for any who wish to join it and take part to do so either by offering themselves for possible co-option as and when vacancies arise (a clear and simple process clearly not understood by Simon and Mr. Ayoby), or by attending the next AGM and making themselves available for election.  The election process at that and at subsequent AGMs for as long as I have any say in the matter will be fair, open and transparent.  There will be no last-minute surprises on my watch.My first achievement, if I must say so myself, was to help bring this about.  My next will be to successfully defend it against all who would see it fail.  Whether the latter will comprise the New Labour opposition, renegade ICG members or (as would appear to be taking shape) an alliance of the two is for me immaterial.  The age of special favours is over.

Phil Andrews ● 6673d

RuthI have seen people clutch at straws before now but has it all really come to this? Let me remind you of a few facts concerning your new friend, upon whose testimony you now depend in order to justify your refusal to support the Borough Council's new, increased commitment to community engagement and participation.Although he has demonstrated an extraordinary talent for falling out with everybody and every organisation he has ever been involved with, he does have some friends besides the said Mr. Ayoby. One was a chap called Mr. Peter Bullworth, who wrote to me shortly after Mr. Anderson had been thrown out of the old association NITA to inform me that there was a wonderful man on Ivybridge who had been treated very badly. His name was Simon Anderson.  Mr. Bullworth suggested that I should contact Mr. Anderson to discuss his difficulties on Ivybridge.It was difficult to read Mr. Bullworth's e-mail.  His spelling and grammar was not good.  He kept using "off" when he meant "of".  However, I pointed out to him (mischievously, I'll admit) that Mr. Anderson was not a fan of mine and that I thought he was unlikely to want to speak to me!A few hours later Simon contacted me himself (from the same IP address), and we met up.  Thus began a turbulent and regrettably long relationship.Mr. Anderson has another friend and admirer, a chap by the name of Jason Stanley.  This is what Mr. Stanley had to say about Mr. Anderson in a posting on this forum at 17:05 on 28th September 2005.  I have broken it up into paragraphs in order to make it more readable, but other than that have preserved it in its original Greek:"Dear sir"I want to talk about a guy who I think is wonderfull..."I ave lived in Isleworth 20+years and seen alot off good people come and go but this guy is well one in a million."His Name 'Simon Anderson'"Let me tell you about this guy, He moved up here from Plymouth in 1997 and in 1998 he got involved in the local residents group on Ivybridge where I have many friends."He has done so much for the estate including helping get a new park built next to the community centre on the Estate,a doggy park,a new fence by the school,new signs on the estate and he helped get a new crossing for the school on Ivybridge not to mention the hundreds off other jobs he has helped residents with."In 2003 he managed to get a office opened on the Estate for residents to talk about there problems which he sat in every day up till he left the residents group last year and was asked to join another group called 'Ivybridge Tenants Action Group' where he is now chair off."He has many battles with Hounslow Homes to work with Ivytag but they refuse to which i feel is wrong."This year he has campaigned hard to get a dog free zone in a park on Ivybridge appearing on BBC1 news and in Local papers which he is still fighting to happen, he also is trying to get Hounslow Homes to place new equipment in the park on Ivybridge for the local youth."e is also a main supporter of the legal action against Thames and attds regular meetings at Thames and Police forum meetings and has become well loved with local residents and Ward Cllrs for his hard campaigning."In November his 10yr old daughter was diagnosed with leukemia and in February he shaved his hair off for his daughter and with help from readers on Brentford and Chiswick forums and everyone who read his article in the local papers he raised over a thousand pound for his daughter to give to Great Ormand St Hospital."After that he started to raise more money by signing up to Jump out off a plane with again the support off the readers off both forums above,local residents and Ward Cllrs he has raised over £1500 for GOSH and will shortly be doing his jump and already has started his next project to raise more money for GOSH, he has even in the last few months threw his group Ivytag got people to donate TV's,play-stations,games,books and toys to Starlight Children's Ward at west Middlesex."with all thats going on in his personal life he still takes time to think and help others."A few months ago he spent a day in Kensington Gardens as a volunteer at Gosh fundraiser 'Peter pan picnic'"I read a few months ago about a ex resident on Ivybridge who was awarded a MBE for her services to the community but a lot off locals I know have never heard off her but Simon Anderson they have."I think it is time they award this guy with a MBE as he has done far more in his community then anyone I know..."He is a credit to the community and all i can say is on behalf off myself and the residents I Know 'Thank you'Jason StanleyIsleworth resident"Simon, modest as ever, was having none of it.  At 18:17 on the same day (as fortunately he was on the forum at the same time as Mr. Stanley) he replied:"Dear Mr Stanley"thank you for your kind words about me, I only do what I do as i love helping people and My reward is to get results thats it."I love doing the charity work as it gives something back to the hospitals that help my daughter and it helps children to get better and enjoy there stay in hospital they are what matters and my reward is to know i have helped."I do appreciate what you have said and yes I have done all this but there are alot more good people out there doing the same or even more then me!"If anyone should get awards it should be these brave children who have serious illnesses but get on with it and smile....they are the ones brave not me!!"Yes I have been involved with local issues since 1998 and I will continue till well you know but I am not in it for glory or fame like most others inc the lady who got the MBE i do it because I care and enjoy doing it."I have a great team off fellow members on my Group Ivytag who help so its team work not just me.."But thank you for your kind words and support."I really appreciate what you have said and it pleases me when I get good compliments like this it makes me know that I am doing is good and working..Thanks againSimon AndersonChair of Ivytag"The fulsome praise from Mr. Stanley continued to flow, each time rebuffed by a deeply embarrassed and humbled Mr. Anderson.Mr. Stanley was so enamoured with this forum that he posted on several more topics, including this classic the following day in response to a posting from your now fellow ward councillor Matt Harmer (not sure how this will come out with the HTML):Forum MessageTopic: Re:Farmers Market leafletsForum HomePosted by: Jason StanleyDate/Time: 29/09/05 14:22:00"Matt"If you want IVYTAG can deliever them on Ivybridge when we deliever our next newsletter in a couple off weeks.Simon AndersonChair of Ivytag"Now had I been caught out so thoroughly my reaction would have been something along the lines of "It's a fair cop guv!", followed by plastic surgery and a flight to the Antipodes as the full horror of my maiden posting dawned upon me.  Not Mr. Anderson.  He had the following, highly plausible explanation of events to offer an enthralled viewing public: "Hi"I have just had a call from a friend about the confusion off the last posting."So i am in a INTERNET café posting to clear the confusion."I was contacted by Mr Stanley who said there was a man on here asking for help delivering leaflets and could IVYTAG help?"I said yes as we have a newsletter coming out in the next couple wks and cld deliver his leaflets with ours."As I was going out I told Mr Stanley to make a posting on my behalf to say IVYTAG would help deliver these leaflets."I think Mr Stanley got the wrong Idea and i am sorry if I confused him What I meant for him to do was put a posting on here saying IVYTAG would deliver the leaflets for the market."I then finished my email to Mr Stanley"I think he thought I meant write a email and sign it Simon Anderson Chair Of Ivytag."Anyway I am sorry for the confusion but the offer of Leaflet delivery is still available if needed."ThanksSimon AndersonChair of Ivy tag"Etcetera, etcetera.Now I mention all this simply to give some idea of the integrity and honesty of the person upon whose testimony you rely in order to make whatever point it is you are making. In fact I can inform you that virtually nothing Mr. Anderson has told you in his e-mail has any basis in fact whatsoever.  Indeed if you follow it carefully (easier said than done, I'll grant you) it actually contradicts itself more than once.In the past your party's divisive activities on the estate, although regrettable and in my view morally indefensible, have at least had a certain Stalinist logic to them.  For you to clutch at the services of Mr. Anderson - who like you say has been anti-Labour (although he wasn't pre-2003 when he was your party's prosecutor and executioner in the TA, and possibly isn't again now) - is pure gratuitous destructiveness.  "If we can't have the association, nobody else will" is the message which comes across.An earlier poster questioned your party's whole strategy on our estates and in our residents' and tenants' movement in particular.  I have to say I am at a loss to understand it too, but I have finally resigned myself to the fact that nobody is ever going to enlighten me.  You are where you are today by choice, and we are where we are by necessity as a reaction to your choice.  I guess I need to accept that fact as I ought to have done years ago, and move on.In the meantime, I hope you and your new friend will be very happy together.  I can truly say that on past performance you thoroughly deserve each other.  It is indeed a marriage made in evven.

Phil Andrews ● 6674d

RuthI have seen people clutch at straws before now but has it all really come to this?  Let me remind you of a few facts concerning your new friend, upon whose testimony you now depend in order to justify your refusal to support the Borough Council's new, increased commitment to community engagement and participation.Although he has demonstrated an extraordinary talent for falling out with everybody and every organisation he has ever been involved with, he does have some friends besides the said Mr. Ayoby.  One was a chap called Mr. Peter Bullworth, who wrote to me shortly after Mr. Anderson had been thrown out of the old association NITA to inform me that there was a wonderful man on Ivybridge who had been treated very badly. His name was Simon Anderson.  Mr. Bullworth suggested that I should contact Mr. Anderson to discuss his difficulties on Ivybridge.It was difficult to read Mr. Bullworth's e-mail.  His spelling and grammar was not good.  He kept using "off" when he meant "of".  However, I pointed out to him (mischievously, I'll admit) that Mr. Anderson was not a fan of mine and that I thought he was unlikely to want to speak to me!A few hours later Simon contacted me himself (from the same IP address), and we met up.  Thus began a turbulent and regrettably long relationship.Mr. Anderson has another friend and admirer, a chap by the name of Jason Stanley.  This is what Mr. Stanley had to say about Mr. Anderson in a posting on this forum at 17:05 on 28th September 2005.  I have broken it up into paragraphs in order to make it more readable, but other than that have preserved it in its original Greek:"Dear sir"I want to talk about a guy who I think is wonderfull..."I ave lived in Isleworth 20+years and seen alot off good people come and go but this guy is well one in a million."His Name 'Simon Anderson'"Let me tell you about this guy, He moved up here from Plymouth in 1997 and in 1998 he got involved in the local residents group on Ivybridge where I have many friends."He has done so much for the estate including helping get a new park built next to the community centre on the Estate,a doggy park,a new fence by the school,new signs on the estate and he helped get a new crossing for the school on Ivybridge not to mention the hundreds off other jobs he has helped residents with."In 2003 he managed to get a office opened on the Estate for residents to talk about there problems which he sat in every day up till he left the residents group last year and was asked to join another group called 'Ivybridge Tenants Action Group' where he is now chair off."He has many battles with Hounslow Homes to work with Ivytag but they refuse to which i feel is wrong."This year he has campaigned hard to get a dog free zone in a park on Ivybridge appearing on BBC1 news and in Local papers which he is still fighting to happen, he also is trying to get Hounslow Homes to place new equipment in the park on Ivybridge for the local youth."e is also a main supporter of the legal action against Thames and attds regular meetings at Thames and Police forum meetings and has become well loved with local residents and Ward Cllrs for his hard campaigning."In November his 10yr old daughter was diagnosed with leukemia and in February he shaved his hair off for his daughter and with help from readers on Brentford and Chiswick forums and everyone who read his article in the local papers he raised over a thousand pound for his daughter to give to Great Ormand St Hospital."After that he started to raise more money by signing up to Jump out off a plane with again the support off the readers off both forums above,local residents and Ward Cllrs he has raised over £1500 for GOSH and will shortly be doing his jump and already has started his next project to raise more money for GOSH, he has even in the last few months threw his group Ivytag got people to donate TV's,play-stations,games,books and toys to Starlight Children's Ward at west Middlesex."with all thats going on in his personal life he still takes time to think and help others."A few months ago he spent a day in Kensington Gardens as a volunteer at Gosh fundraiser "Peter pan picnic""I read a few months ago about a ex resident on Ivybridge who was awarded a MBE for her services to the community but a lot off locals I know have never heard off her but Simon Anderson they have."I think it is time they award this guy with a MBE as he has done far more in his community then anyone I know..."He is a credit to the community and all i can say is on behalf off myself and the residents I Know 'Thank you'Jason StanleyIsleworth resident"Simon, modest as ever, was having none of it.  At 18:17 on the same day (as fortunately he was on the forum at the same time as Mr. Stanley) he replied:"Dear Mr Stanley"thank you for your kind words about me, I only do what I do as i love helping people and My reward is to get results thats it."I love doing the charity work as it gives something back to the hospitals that help my daughter and it helps children to get better and enjoy there stay in hospital they are what matters and my reward is to know i have helped."I do appreciate what you have said and yes I have done all this but there are alot more good people out there doing the same or even more then me!"If anyone should get awards it should be these brave children who have serious illnesses but get on with it and smile....they are the ones brave not me!!"Yes I have been involved with local issues since 1998 and I will continue till well you know but I am not in it for glory or fame like most others inc the lady who got the MBE i do it because I care and enjoy doing it."I have a great team off fellow members on my Group Ivytag who help so its team work not just me.."But thank you for your kind words and support."I really appreciate what you have said and it pleases me when I get good compliments like this it makes me know that I am doing is good and working..Thanks againSimon AndersonChair of Ivytag"The fulsome praise from Mr. Stanley continued to flow, each time rebuffed by a deeply embarrassed and humbled Mr. Anderson.Mr. Stanley was so enamoured with this forum that he posted on several more topics, including this classic the following day in response to a posting from your now fellow ward councillor Matt Harmer (not sure how this will come out with the HTML):Forum MessageTopic: Re:Farmers Market leaflets Forum HomePosted by: Jason StanleyDate/Time: 29/09/05 14:22:00"Matt"If you want IVYTAG can deliever them on Ivybridge when we deliever our next newsletter in a couple off weeks.Simon AndersonChair of Ivytag"Now had I been caught out so thoroughly my reaction would have been something along the lines of "It's a fair cop guv!", followed by plastic surgery and a flight to the Antipodes as the full horror of my maiden posting dawned upon me.  Not Mr. Anderson.  He had the following, highly plausible explanation of events to offer an enthralled viewing public:  "Hi"I have just had a call from a friend about the confusion off the last posting."So i am in a INTERNET café posting to clear the confusion."I was contacted by Mr Stanley who said there was a man on here asking for help delivering leaflets and could IVYTAG help?"I said yes as we have a newsletter coming out in the next couple wks and cld deliver his leaflets with ours."As I was going out I told Mr Stanley to make a posting on my behalf to say IVYTAG would help deliver these leaflets."I think Mr Stanley got the wrong Idea and i am sorry if I confused him What I meant for him to do was put a posting on here saying IVYTAG would deliver the leaflets for the market."I then finished my email to Mr Stanley"I think he thought I meant write a email and sign it Simon Anderson Chair Of Ivytag."Anyway I am sorry for the confusion but the offer of Leaflet delivery is still available if needed."ThanksSimon AndersonChair of Ivy tag""Etcetera, etcetera.Now I mention all this simply to give some idea of the integrity and honesty of the person upon whose testimony you rely in order to make whatever point it is you are making.  In fact I can inform you that virtually nothing Mr. Anderson has told you in his e-mail has any basis in fact whatsoever.  Indeed if you follow it carefully (easier said than done, I'll grant you) it actually contradicts itself more than once.In the past your party's divisive activities on the estate, although regrettable and in my view morally indefensible, have at least had a certain Stalinist logic to them.  For you to clutch at the services of Mr. Anderson - who like you say has been anti-Labour (although he wasn't pre-2003 when he was your party's prosecutor and executioner in the TA, and possibly isn't again now) - is pure gratuitous destructiveness.  "If we can't have the association, nobody else will" is the message which comes across.An earlier poster questioned your party's whole strategy on our estates and in our residents' and tenants' movement in particular.  I have to say I am at a loss to understand it too, but I have finally resigned myself to the fact that nobody is ever going to enlighten me.  You are where you are today by choice, and we are where we are by necessity as a reaction to your choice.  I guess I need to accept that fact as I ought to have done years ago, and move on.In the meantime, I hope you and your new friend will be very happy together.  I can truly say that on past performance you thoroughly deserve each other.  It is indeed a marriage made in evven.

Phil Andrews ● 6674d

As I said in my earlier posting I have never been involved in the internecine warfare of Ivybridge, and had thought that it was the stuff of history.  Apparently not so; my posting elicited the following fascinating response, from someone who is, and has always been, anti-Labour.  If you can wade through the interminable history, there are some choice descriptions of Phil's methods of community involvement, I cannot highlight them for some reason, but they are towards the end. Perhaps we SHOULD be worried about what he intends to achieve now his motion is Council policy;  Ruth CadburyDeputy Leader Hounslow Labour Group"dear Mrs Cadbury [sic]I just read your post regarding Ivybridge and you are Absoutly correct.I joined the Ex Group NITA in 98 and we were told not to have anything to do with Cllr Andrews, then a Good Friend and Sponsor of the ICG George Burrell was thrown of the committee for his attack against a lady called Sally Woodall who was elderly and in a wheelchair, you probably knew her as she was a member of the Labour Group.Then IVYTAG was set up by andrews with Mr B in charge then at the end of 2003 i was thrown of NITA because i did not like what was happening on that group and i themn got involve with Andrews to my regret now..he asked me to take over IVYTAG and told Mr B to hand it to me, when i took over there was about 4 members when i resigned last year there was nearly 300 members with a large number of Ethnic Residents.andrews promised residents on the estate that there would be a new R.A that every resident could be part off and it would be un political but this is not whats happened:The Ex Nita members were holding secrets meetings behind the Ex IVYTAG members backs, they did not have a constitution or bank Account and when the Vice Chair of the URA and Ex IVYTAG member Mr Ayoby raised all this it went ignored he then raised these issues with Andrews who did nothing about it, i also raised things with him and i was called a liar.In December 2007 Mr ayoby was verbally attacked by the Secretary of the URA and ex NITA member in front of the Whole group, it was so bad it ended Mr Ayoby having a minor Heart attack 4wks later, Andrews knew about this and did Nothing when Mr Ayoby spoke to him again. Another long term resident of Ivybridge, Ex IVYTAg member Resigned from the URA over what happened she informed Andrews (whom she has been friends for for years) and he did nothing.Then in January Mr Ayoby went to the URA meeting and submitted 8 applications from Ethnic Residents and Ex IVYTAG members to join the URA, the Chairwoman refussed to accept them and 3mths now they have not responded to those letters because they dont want them so to say all is welcome is wrong.In Febuary Mr Burrell had told Mr Ayoby and myself that they were having a EGM but they did NOT invite any EX IVYTAG member, he stated he would not allow them to vote MR Ayoby off as it wasnt fair.In Febuarys meetings Mr Ayoby was voted off the URA started by Mr Burrell, there was no constituion in place so this was Un Constitional and Un Democratic as it was not put on the Agenda and some of the Ex Ivytag members who did not att the meeting ave now stated if they knew what was going to happen they would of gone.Mr Ayoby was thrown off because he spoke out about what was happening, at the EGM Cllr Andrews was present at this secret meeting and knew this was going to happen.The problem i see is that Cllr Andrews is controlling the URA and pulling all the strings and he has let down all the residents of Ivybridge down and residents are seeing this.I want ALL residents on Ivybridge to no what is going on with the URA and that Cllr Andrews is running things.This weeks article in the Chronicle was a publicity stunt to make Andrews happy.remember he started IVYTAG because NITA wouldnt play ball with him.. . . now he has power he has everything sewn up and shouldnt get away with it and i am here to excist your group in any way or form against this man.He states i should not get involved with Issues on Ivybridge as i dont live there fair enough but it was ok for me to be involved when i was doing his Dirty work over there..i will not sit back and see residents over there be treated and lied to in this way.He blames the Labour group for what happened in the past on the Estate, i admit that when NITA was running it had to much interference from The Labour Group (this is me being honest) but he is a hippocrit as he is doing it now. "Ho Hum

Ruth Cadbury ● 6674d

It is clear a fundamental issue lies behind what on the surface would seem to be a non issue. For better or worse the future of our authority has been shaped by events in Isleworth, certainly historic but apparently unresolved at least until more recent times.The argument from which it was born having been won, ICG finds itself playing a new ball game. The party may not have entered politics with setting budgets and managing multi-million pound departments in mind, or even involving in committees and council debates, but this is the responsibility it now has and it must not ignore its duty in the field.It has amazed me how such a party, with no political grounding nor, seemingly, external assistance has managed to position itself in the way it has within an unlikely coalition. Much of ICG's rhetoric is left-sounding, in my own view. I have been impressed by ICG's professionalism, and its pragmatism. I don't buy the "Tory toady" line at all. ICG to me gives an impression of knowing exactly what it is doing, of scheduling its priorities carefully and even a little ruthlessly, and of brittle and absolute self-belief and self-confidence in striding for its goals.There has to be a method in the Labour Party's intransigence in its dealings with ICG and the people who support it and vote for it. It is difficult to understand what the strategy is. So far it has cost Labour very dearly but one must assume an extremely long game is being played out very carefully. Time will tell, and all may yet be revealed. If it has an ace to play then it has kept us all in some suspense. Many would suggest that it has so far only played the fool.The other thing which has impressed me about ICG and Councillor Andrews (Mr.) in particular is the unswerving adherence to the path on which it is embarked. There must have been a great deal of temptation to settle old scores on Ivybridge. Councillor Andrews has faced down the less scrupulous among his own friends with an ease which borders upon arrogance, and even parted company with them rather than permit the ideal to be corrupted by the license which comes with power. That will have required a great deal of discipline, and steel, and not a little magnanimity.I watch the unfolding of these local dramas as a bystander, without involvement. Hounslow is a fascinating borough, which seems to be fast developing an erratic and unpredictable political culture all of its own.  Exciting times.

William Mann ● 6674d

RuthThank you for taking the trouble to respond to my posting.  Permit me please to answer your comments sequentially:1. When Councillor Mark Bowen suggested suspension of Standing Orders for thirty minutes, you challenged this on the grounds that thirty minutes would be too long.  This is recorded on the webcast, with the Mayor explaining to you that speaking for thirty minutes was not actually compulsory.You further objected to a second proposal to extend the debate.  Your entire Group, in fact, voted against it.I accept that several Conservative members were also exasperated, and did not support the request to extend the meeting.  It was very late, I do not hold this against them.2. If the Motion which I was proposing was "good stuff", one struggles to understand why you and your Group could not bring yourselves to support it.  Every other political group on the council felt able to give it their support.And yes, the issue of community facilities which you raise is in good hands.3. I am pleased to learn, at this late hour, that the problems which have been inflicted by the Labour Party upon the people of Isleworth for the last three decades were down to individuals who are no longer around, or are no longer in a position of influence (are you reading this Vanessa?).  I am sure that in due course you will find it within yourself to apologise for the misery which your party has inflicted on my community for so long.It really is a shame that you didn't feel the need to mention this earlier.  The small matter of a change of administration could thus have been avoided.But when, exactly, did your party reject the old ways and embrace the concept of democracy on our estates and in our communities?  The Hounslow Homes Management Review took place in 2007, with all the attendent bitching, scheming and manipulation in an attempt to prevent equality from breaking out on our estates and in our communities.  Two very senior officers felt the need to leave.  Hardly days of yore, was it?I don't understand your last sentence Ruth, and would ask for more clarity.Ruth, I have always wanted to have this debate.  You give the distinct impression of a person, and of a party, which does not wish it to be discussed.  Surely the whole raison d'etre of entryism is that its underlying objective is to win power in a situation in which it could not otherwise be won?In Hounslow you have used the tactic as a means of losing power in a situation in which it would not otherwise have been lost.That doesn't strike me as being particularly bright.

Phil Andrews ● 6679d

1 I did not call for an end to the discussion on this debate, nor on any other.  We completed this debate naturally.  Cllr Bowen, having already had  the support of Council for a half-hour extension, then asked for another half-hour.  Several Conservative members, several Labour Group members, and others, felt that the evening had been long enough, and on a one-vote split party majority, Council voted to end the meeting at the end of the first extension (I think the first time the Tory/ICG leadership has been defeated?).2 The Labour Group abstained on your motion as it didn't really add anything to Council policy or practice.  It made appropriate mention of support for voluntary and community groups, and for improved consultation processes.  All good stuff, and without any evidence there is a significant problem.  I did raise a real issue that is relevant now for several voluntary and community groups occupying Council-owned buildings, that they are facing closure due to significant rent hikes.  I hope you will be raising that with Cllr McGregor, as we are. 3  Isleworth:  I sincerely apologise for the too brief words I used in the debate - of course I care about Isleworth, what I meant to say (and I think the context of the debate will bear this out), is that I am not concerned with the internecine battle that has gone on for years on the Ivybridge estate, which seems to fire you up and is not in the best interests of residents there.  The history of this lies with a previous era (and I am not talking about the change of Council administration), with people who are no longer around.  If this is the main motivation for your motion, then I really worry for the future relationship between this Council, its Councillors, and the hard-working dedicated people who are active on behalf of their local areas, or their group of interest.

Ruth Cadbury ● 6679d

AdamThank you for your comments.You will note that the word "reasonable" was including in the Motion.  The requests made in the scenario you describe, presuming it to be an accurate account of events, was clearly not reasonable.  Hence had the policy been in force at the local authority in question there would have been no adverse implications.This scenario, with respect, is light years away from the kind of thing which the Motion is designed to take us away from.  I have been involved with residents' groups to which office holders have been elected who clearly are not supported by the majority of residents, because a council officer had deliberately given other residents incorrect details of the meeting date, or of the time, or of the venue.  Almost invariably, the people who have been assisted by such means have been political activists of a certain persuasion.I freely admit that the more blatant gerrymandering of this kind was largely of the 1980s.  In more recent years it has become less crude and more subtle.  Nonetheless the mentality still survives in certain circles to this day, and the hostility which I encountered during the Hounslow Homes Management Review simply for trying to create a level playing field for all residents brought home to me the extent to which business remains unfinished.There are many who regard grass-roots community activity as peripheral to the business of a local authority.  Conservation societies, "Friends of..." organisations, community safety groups and residents' associations discuss issues which some see as trivia in the greater scheme of things.  But these are real issues, which matter to real people.  A truly organic democracy is one in which as many people as possible participate, and are encouraged to do so.  There are huge benefits to community cohesion to be gained by bringing people together from different backgrounds who may find common cause in everyday issues which affect them all.All of this is stifled by the negativism emanating from the boastful "we control it all" mentality which permeates the old way of doing things.The Community Group entered the political arena to purge this mentality from our local politics for once and for all.  With six councillors we were never going to achieve that alone.  But we have positioned ourselves in such a way as to ensure that this can now be made a reality, and we intend to take full advantage of it.  And still they call us naïve!I think last night the penny will finally have dropped for certain people.

Phil Andrews ● 6679d

Noble intentions but I must confess, as an ex-local government officer, that it 'scares' me in terms of the potential consequences for how local government officers are supposed to do their jobs.Take this real scenario I experienced at a Council (not Hounslow) for example.  In the late 1990's, a company erected a fence without the required planning permission.  The Council investigated & the company submitted a retrospective application to retain the fence.  The Council forgot/lost that application & the enforcement investigation & consequently the fence became immune from action & lawful, so the Council couldn't take any action against it.  After the 2006 elections, a Councillor picked up this matter & expressed the apparant wishes of their constituents that something be done about the fence.  The Director asked an Officer to write to the company asking them to paint the fence as a goodwill gesture.  Two letters generated no response, & during a subsequent phone call to the company that Officer was told, in no uncertain terms, the company were unwilling to co-operate.A new manager arrives at the Council, whose primary responsibility according to the contract of employment is to manage the workload, priorities etc of the enforcement team.  He receives an email from the Director telling him to write to the company for a third time.  He responds by expressing the professional view that he is concerned about this request - the Council has no legal right to intervene, the Council has hundreds of live cases that need dealing with, the Council has already made several approaches to the company and the company has made it clear it is unwilling to co-operate etc.  The Director responds with a simple order "I'll decide what you do and what you don't do".What's your take on that ?.  Is it reasonable for an Officer responsible for the work & resources of a team be expected to carry out that request, on the grounds that by doing so it benefits the community, even though by doing so Council resources are being diverted away from 'genuine' matters that can be actioned, & towards a matter that the Council has no legal right to be involved in, several attempts at resolution have already been rebuffed ?.My take was that it certainly wasn't a reasonable request, I'm all for making an initial informal attempt to resolve an unfortunate situation to the benefit of the local community (for example by visiting the site during the course of a normal round of site visits & speaking to the company direct) but to continue using resources on an issue that the Council has no legal right to interfere in is not reasonable.The same Council also now has a policy that all Councillor correspondence, requests for action etc, have to be dealt with within 24 hours.  Whilst of course Councillors should be expected to be treated with respect and as something of a priority, is it right that no matter what the substance of the issue just because a Councillor brings it to the attention of the Council it becomes an automatic 24 hour priority, whereas an individual resident reporting something which would usually, in terms of the substance of the matter, be treated as a higher priority, is treated as a lesser priority ?.As I always say I'm not concerned about the political angle, but the scenarios I've given are ones that ultimately have made me seriously consider a move away from working in the public sector, because I no longer felt I was serving the public at large.

Adam Beamish ● 6679d