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Racist taste buds...

More proof of the pillocks in the race industry,if any were needed, taking over every aspect of our increasingly exasperated lives.Page 11 of The Times today carries a story which states that in a guide produced by the National Children's Bureau 'Children who reject foriegn food may be showing signs of latent racism....nurseries are told to watch children's reaction to a culinary tradition other than their own'.I wonder if this will apply to foriegn babies,used to hot chilli,disliking fish and chips,lancashire hot pot,cornish pasties,steak and kidney pies etc?This rteally is complete madness,imo.If you palate does not like a particular flavour,end of story. I don't suppose anyone in authority will be taking anyone to task over this.Imagine, having your child watched whilst eating so that it's reaction to food can be noted.What will happen then,a witch hunt.This is completely bonkers and offensive to all races.

Keith Iddon ● 6228d39 Comments

Phil you find it tedious, Spoken like a true polotician when faced with uncomfortable questions the answers to which one is not  sure about but how do you think the millions of people branded criminals feel about it' I believe its at least 15% of the population. I am sorry if you feel I am being harsh on you but as previously stated you do not represent me or people like me, Perhaps the next time you go out dispensing drug information leaflets you could try obtaining some from the likes of ENCOD, the LCA, Reform, Tranform,the TH3 project or any of the organizations working for effective and just drugs policies.  You will find they present factual evidence about drug use and the way ahead in dealing with its associated problems as apposed the to the hysterical overstated and in some cases the out and out lies being put out by the ask frank campaign. Who have been forced to withdraw some of their claims. Ie the television ad claiming that cannabis causes brain damage as opposed to the truth that it can make existing conditions more problematic.As for choosing to be victims my family got up one day in 1968 to find we had been declared a 'criminal' family with out so much as a discussion in parliament and our lives and lifestyles have been under attack ever since.

Philip Walsh ● 6214d

PhilipThis is getting slightly tedious as it seems you are quite determined to remain a perennial victim whatever I might say or do but, to answer your question, the Independent Community  Group has never targeted anybody for using cannabis.

Phil Andrews ● 6218d

Phil. calling you a drug fascist is an accusation and I stated the grounds for making it. If you find it insulting that’s unfortunate.Referring to you as a scaremonger is an accusation its based on the rubbish  and miss represented facts printed on many of the anti drug leaflets and statements that are distributed by yourself and others, I have never heard you questions any of it.Asking how many people have been targeted by your group over cannabis use is a question and one you appear ether unwilling or unable to answer. Does the group have no policy on suspected drug use on the estate?Making accusations that councils up and down the country including our council (of which you are a senior member) target cannabis users with threats of eviction is a statement of fact. Asking if you are aware of the numbers or the policy is a question and again, one you seem unwilling or unable to answer. I note that you have not categorically denied that your community group or your council have ever threatened or targeted people in this manner does this mean that local estate wardens and council officials have no policy or procedure with regard to cannabis use in its housing.”Sorry, but I regard this as a cowardly way for a person to conduct himself and I am prepared to say so and accept the consequences”.As for how you speak to me (dismiss me)! As stated you do not respond to the postings of others (known alcohol users) with derogatory remarks over their drug of choice as a means of belittlement of their expressed views. This shows to me that you do have a problem with my cannabis use. I really could not care less as long as you answer the questions. Perhaps you should find out the answers.As for my attitude, three generations of my family have over the last 40 years been abused by the local authorities /law enforcement over this issue and people such as your self (councillors/politicians ) have, as our elected representatives done nothing to help or defend us/represent us, yet are perfectly happy to take our taxes to pay their wages. Perhaps when people such as yourself start to respect and represent people such as us and our families, I will start to respect people such as you.One last point,  I had a very poor education following in the footsteps of eight older brothers in the local schools I left earl and missed the last two years and am very grateful for spell and grammar checks on my computer , it however does not do Paragraphs.As a man whose parents where only semi literate I would like to say that dismissing peoples views  based on grammatical ability is a questionable attitude for a man in your position.

Philip Walsh ● 6218d

PhilipCalling somebody a fascist is not a question, it is an insult.Accusing somebody of scaremongering is not a question, it is an accusation.Alleging that a community group which it appear you know little if anything about targets, threatens and evicts people is not a question, it is an attack.I repeat - ask me the questions and I will endeavour to answer them to the very best of my ability.  But please bear in mind that if they are concealed amid a lengthy and unparagraphed rant then there is every possibility that I will miss them, as I clearly did last time.Philip, I am not paranoid, I simply have an intrinsic aversion to cowardice.  Your practise is to launch ill-informed attacks on people and organisations which you appear to know nothing about, then when a robust response is forthcoming you go into victim mode, saying "you're an elected official, you can't speak to me like that, I can speak to you how I like but you need to respond to me nicely."Sorry, but I regard this as a cowardly way for a person to conduct himself and I am prepared to say so and accept the consequences. I have no issue whatsoever with your cannabis use, only your attitude.

Phil Andrews ● 6219d

Andrew I think you will find I started a thread on the topic of these houses well over a year ago.I have also seen the destruction these people course. What you should remember is that these people are into much worse. They are willing to engage in all manner of criminal activity, if cucumbers became illegal these types would be into that as well. This situation only exist because of the high price of cannabis which in turn is only so high due to its  illegality and Jackie Smith is set to make these matters worse.License production or allow consumers to do small personal grows and this problem goes away.I like many in my industry do not like these gangs and do not do business with them. For my part I was visited by a man I believed may have been involved with one of these gangs he found me unhelpful and went elsewhere with his order, which would have been worth around £4000 to me.It is not just the destruction of property, which is a real problem or the theft of electricity that concerns me the most. Its the poor quality of what is very often dangerously contaminated product that people are consuming and what this means for the health of very many people, this an issue that is being over looked despite being a very real health risk.There is worse to come in the housing sector, Britain's first Meth-amphetamine lab was recently found. If the information contained in the issue of new scientist I was reading is anything to go by. The toxins from these labs can and do remain for many years. Police officers in the states wear bio-hazard suits when they shut them down and the houses become uninhabital. Some people are just Criminal and don't care, most cannabis users are just grown up people making grown up choices about how they live there lives. Phil,I thought it was cannabis that supposed to make one paranoid! Whats your excuse? I am simply asking questions of you as a councilor and community group leader (are you also head of housing). Do you know the answer to the questions or not. As for the term drug fascist, you may remember I used it before in response to the fact that you referred to my cannabis use as a way to put down the validity of my views in a way that you do not when responding to the alcohol users on the siteI know of at least one women who was threatened with eviction for allowing her son to smoke cannabis in her home. I am not going to put her name up here, she has now moved to a different part of London now her son has grown up and left home. Councils across the country carry out these actions and community groups are often the first to point the finger at those they don't like. I hardly think that asking someone in your position questions about this issue is an attack.

Philip Walsh ● 6219d

Are YOU not moaning now.........better things to do and all that? Strange that I don't recall you making any comment about Cannabis farms. I have witnessed at first hand the damage done to properties when converted by gangs for use of growing the stuff. It was recently reported in the Hounslow Mag that one such factory had left the owner with a bill for £42,000, any comment

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"Andrew some of us have better things to do than just moan about life on a web page."PhilipNothing better to do today then, time taken up with other pastimes eh Phil..........nod, nod, wink, wink........know what I mean?    PhilipWhen you have worked for 50 years, earned a gold watch from one firm for 30 years service, earned the Malayan medal for National Service, I think I have earned the right to don't you? I thought you believed in Free speech, I obviously misunderstood you!

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"Phil I am sure you do remember. It was to do with your drug fascist attitude and how many people have been targeted for their cannabis use by your group and how many family's or people have been threatened with losing their homes over the issue in your ward. Mine was the last posting on a thread, it was in response to things you had said, you would have had an e,mail about the posting. You never responded unless you consider going out on the streets of Isleworth within weeks as part of the local anti drugs / lies and scaremongering campaign currently being spearheaded by people such as yourself, the local police and daily scaremongers from The Telegraph and Daily mail."Wow, where do I begin with that lot?"your drug fascist attitude" - please explain."how many people have been targeted for their cannabis use by your group" - could you please give one example of somebody who has been 'targeted' by the Independent Community Group for using cannabis?  Frankly we have far more important things to concern ourselves with."or people have been threatened with losing their homes over the issue in your ward" - I really don't understand this comment at all but I can assure you that neither the ICG nor the local authority has any power to take away somebody's home for smoking a spliff.  Unless you are referring to council tenants who sublet their homes to people who use them as drugs factories in order to make huge sums of money from other people's misery.  The substances in such instances are rarely as benign as cannabis and I don't think most normal people would consider taking action against such tenants to be a particularly unreasonable act."going out on the streets of Isleworth within weeks as part of the local anti drugs / lies and scaremongering campaign currently being spearheaded by people such as yourself, the local police and daily scaremongers from The Telegraph and Daily mail" - the campaign which I assume you are referring to was to alert young people to the dangers of taking drugs, with particular emphasis on hard drugs.  Do you believe the local authority, the police and other agencies should be taking to the streets encouraging young people to take heroin and cocaine?Philip, my attitude towards cannabis is fairly liberal by many people's standards and I am surprised that you would consider me to be a drug fascist.  I have never myself indulged but that is a personal choice to which I presume you would agree I am entitled?There is a case for the decriminalisation of drugs as has been pointed out on here previously by Vanessa (cue another torrent of verbal abuse), and whilst I remain undecided on this matter I do believe it should be discussed out in the open rather than stifled by misinformation and scaremongering.I really am at a loss to understand what either I or the ICG have done to incur your wrath, but if you really do need somebody upon whom to vent your spleen about all the injustices in the world then I'm your man - I have strong shoulders and am pretty well fireproof, and if it spares some other poor sod the unpleasantness of being the target of your apparently random invective then at least some good will have come of it.

Phil Andrews ● 6220d

Phil I am sure you do remember. It was to do with your drug fascist attitude and how many people have been targeted for their cannabis use by your group and how many family's or people have been threatened with losing their homes over the issue in your ward. Mine was the last posting on a thread, it was in response to things you had said, you would have had an e,mail about the posting. You never responded unless you consider going out on the streets of Isleworth within weeks as part of the local anti drugs / lies and scaremongering campaign currently being spearheaded by people such as yourself, the local police and daily scaremongers from The Telegraph and Daily mail.

Philip Walsh ● 6220d

Andrew some of us have better things to do than just moan about life on a web page.

Philip Walsh ● 6220d

I don't think anyone said you could catch toxoplasmosis on a bus! I don't know many people who take cats on buses out of a cat carrier. That's just plain daft - but cats do carry it and pregnant women should never, ever clear up or touch cat's faeces at all. Similarly dogs carry toxacaris in their faeces which in extreme cases can lead to blindness. Which is why clearing up after your dog and disposing of the waste carefully should be part of every owner's routine. It is a question of proportion and understanding, no matter how much we love our animals, and I adore my moggies, I understand that their mouths are full of bacteria and I think you just behave sensibly when around animals.

Vanessa Smith ● 6220d

"Andrew it comes as no surprise that you should disagree with me you always do, on any issue and as on all issues, you are in your own mind absolutely right and I feel there would be as much chance of you agreeing with anything I say"Disagree with you Philip......only when you get it wrong, which is 90% of the time, (I won't mention the "C" word, but it is green, and you smoke it!) the other 10% escapes me at the moment. I agree with EVERYTHING Fraser says though, his posts are always honest and to the point, and although his opinions may conflict with mine (rarely) I bow to his greater knowledge!By the way Philip, Phil A responded to your accusation within an hour, I would have thought you would have come up with whatever it was you were accusing him of just as quick or quicker! Come on Philip pronto pronto!!!!

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"It is also why anyone coming into contact with a cat or dog should always wash their hands before touching their face or hair or washing food.This is not new info, this has been around for generations."I guess we've all died horrible deaths then

Steve Taylor ● 6221d

PhilipCould you please direct me to the question which I am allegedly afraid of?  If you can I will do my best to steady my nerves for long enough to give you an answer.

Phil Andrews ● 6221d

Andrew it comes as no surprise that you should disagree with me you always do, on any issue and as on all issues, you are in your own mind absolutely right and I feel there would be as much chance of you agreeing with anything I say as there would be of me voting for you as a politician. You seem to ignore the fact that your Vet's opinion was referring to pets in general not just dogs and as you said it's one vets opinion. I am a bit confused though over your response to Frazer did you agree with everything he said or just the not the dog bit Anthony not sure which bit you disagree with as a bacterial toxocologist consultant,I did not say that a dogs mouth was clean. As a bacterial toxocologist consultant, I am sure that you are aware that bite from a  disease free human is more likely to be come infected than a bite from a disease free dog.You state that Toxoplasmosis is on the increase but fail to mention whether that increase is due to the increasing population or what percentage of increase per head of population or over what time frame or how many cases. Anyway you can't catch it simply by being on a bus,I am sure that, as a bacterial toxocologist consultant you would know that, as this kind of info isn't new it been around for generations. Mankind's close association with canines is measured in many thousands of years. I am a little surprised that as a bacterial toxocologist consultant, you should just happen to be on this thread but even more surprised that as a bacterial toxocologist consultant, you don't know how to spell toxicologist. are you sure your names not A'phoney

Philip Walsh ● 6221d

As ever Fraser, a sensible, honest and valued post.Vanessa, I have no desire to prolong the debate, but was it not a Muslim  armed police officer who refused to guard the Israeli embassy, instead of pandering to him, they should have kicked his ass out of the police force. Once you go down that road, this is what you get....If its OK for him/her to do this that and the other, why can't I? This bleedin country must be  the laughing stock of Europe when they hear at what we the host country put up with. If Fraser was to stand as a politician, I would be the first to put my X against his name, every comment he makes on here is honest and full of common sense!

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My brown-skinned, mixed race children would also turn their noses up at a curry. Are they racist too?Nothing surprises me anymore. It’s as if the silent majority’s common sense is obliged to play second fiddle to people aching to be eternally offended and indulged. When dying of terminal cancer, my grandfather was accused of racism by the hospital for (a) refusing to eat curry (he hadn’t asked for it and didn’t like spicy food), and (b) asking a Filipina nurse to speak more clearly (she had a heavy accent and my Grandpa was a little mutt ‘n jeff).The hospital warned us they would not accept such racist behaviour from our father/grandfather – while seemingly oblivious to the irony that the people visiting him every day were every shade under the sun.Again, after seeing an elderly loved one treated in such a cruel and cavalier way for innocent comments, nothing surprises me anymore. As for that dog on the bus, the driver’s patently unfit for the job. When it comes to booties for police dogs and officers removing their size 11s to appease ‘community’ sensibilities, someone should grow some balls and politely tell those with hair trigger temperaments to grow up or get out.My father-in-law - a dark brown Arab - thinks this country has gone mad and wonders why we don’t stick up for the values the rest of the world once respected us for.

Fraser Pearce ● 6222d

Quite right.

Vanessa Smith ● 6222d

I have to disagree with you there, as a bacterial toxocologist consultant, Dog saliva does contain several harmful bacterium that are harmful to most humans and can cause a myriad of infections. This is particularly common in canines dwelling in urban areas where rat & fox feaeces are very common and how well a canine is looked after and exercised.Toxoplasmosis which is particularly dangerous to pregnant women is on the increase and the most common strain in urban areas is found in most breeds of dog and cat feaeces. Which is why dogs should never be allowed in food serving premises, on allotments or parkland that public may use for leisure.It is also why anyone coming into contact with a cat or dog should always wash their hands before touching their face or hair or washing food.This is not new info, this has been around for generations.

Anthony Waller ● 6222d

It may be of interest when considering what Mr Walsh has to say about animal infections that they carry, by reading the following, perhaps he might wish to comment on this vets information?How Pets Spread InfectionsLike people, all animals carry germs. Some illnesses that are common among house pets — such as distemper, canine parvovirus, and heartworms — can't be transmitted to humans. But pets also carry certain bacteria, viruses, parasites, and fungi that can cause illness if transmitted to humans. Humans get these animal-borne diseases when they're bitten or scratched or have contact with an animal's waste, saliva, or dander.These diseases can affect humans in many ways. They are of greatest concern to young children, infants, and pregnant women who have immune systems that have been compromised by illness or disease. Immune systems of younger kids aren't as strong as those of older kids. So some infections that might make an adult just mildly sick can be more serious for kids.Pets also are more likely to carry ticks and fleas in their fur, and these organisms can carry diseases.I'm Afraid Mr Walsh you are wrong......again!

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No surprise there Phil. I have noticed you only make political points when you think there is something to gain and run away when the rest of us make one that questions you, your politics  and how your group implement's your policies. I am still waiting for an answer to my last political question and have been trying to figure out if you don't know the answer or are just afraid to answer.As for dog saliva there is less harmful bacteria in a dogs mouth than a humans, even with the places a dog licks,unless the dog has rabies or is suffering some form of parasite infection.This may have been relevant at some point in British history or if a wild dog appears out of the desert, the wilderness or a jungle but it is hardly relevant to sitting on the same bus as a dog in the modern world.

Philip Walsh ● 6222d

That's precisely what it was Sarah.  I apologise Vanessa if you took it any other way, but no political point was being made.

Phil Andrews ● 6224d

... in this instance I took it as Phil being tongue in cheek, Vanessa.  It is just a shame that the political jibes/points whatever, are not comments to work from.  :-(

Sarah Felstead ● 6224d

I have known John for years and also know that he says these things just to wind people up, you of course had to try and make a political point, I thought it was crass -sorry.

Vanessa Smith ● 6224d

A bit of an over-the-top response considering it was your friend and idol who had originally joked about cooking dogs and eating them, a comment which you nonchalently brushed aside as harmless devilment.I'm sorry to have to tell you this Vanessa, but on the matter of said scumbags I actually agree with you wholeheartedly.

Phil Andrews ● 6225d

I'm so glad you think this is a subject for humour, I think it's far from funny and these scumbags inevitably move on to venting their spite on other human beings.

Vanessa Smith ● 6225d

Stop it, you'll have my daughter voting for you.

Phil Andrews ● 6225d

Quite agree, Vanessa.  There were some beautiful photos of the much loved and well at home puss, on the BBC news web site.  One showed Kilo laying in a lined hammock, obvious for a ships cat!

Sarah Felstead ● 6225d

Typical John wind-up! - anyone who ill treats animals I would have no hesitation in taking out and shooting. And if they get the nasty little buggers that purposely drowned the cat from HMS Belfast I hope they sling them in the Thames and see if they sink or swim! Callous, unfeeling morons.

Vanessa Smith ● 6225d

JohnI think you meant Korean, they have a notice which reads:-"A dog is not just for Christmas, if you are careful there will be enough left over for Boxing Day"!

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I was recently talking with a Vietnamese friend who loves dogs. Alsatian, Collie, Labrador or Pit-bull, the breed doesn't matter. As long as they are well cooked and the sauce is piquant they are all delicious.......mmmmmmmm!

John Connelly ● 6226d

Personally I am sick and tired of 20% of 5% of the population holding sway over the rest of us and telling us which bits of our behaviouir are unacceptable to them. It's like having someone stay in your house and saying'Your guest bedroom is facing south and that is against my beliefs so I will have to have your bedroom and I do not like what food you serve so you will have to change to suit precious,plotting little me or I will call you a racist and then you will be sorry.Your children also have to obey me'We have and love dogs in this country and they are an ingrained part of human society in most cultures these past 4,000 years.If people do not like the way things are done hear,listen to the words of James McGrath....

Keith Iddon ● 6226d

"the mouths of dogs and cats are very dirty places."Hardly surprising when you see the places they lick, and not only their own either! and some owners then let them lick their faces....sorry if you are about to have a meal!

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But would a small child necessarily know the origin of any particular food? There was a programme on the box recently about kid's food fads - some quite bizarre, one little boy would only eat yogurt, this issue has sod-all to do with racism - kids are just fussy, it's a stage they nearly all go through. Also according to the Muslim cleric it isn't dogs per se, it is their saliva that is considered unclean, and that seems pretty sensible to me, the mouths of dogs and cats are very dirty places.

Vanessa Smith ● 6226d

Whist this may issue may be over the top it has a very small basis in reality, I am sure I am not the only person who has hard someone state ''I'm not eating that f*****g Pakki food'' and that can and often is transmitted to the children of such people. However the prospect that children should be monitored for 'incorrect thought's is worrying.The issue of dogs and Muslims continues to be blown out of perspective. I was refused the right to board a bus in Brentford a year or as back as the driver insisted that ''it was against the religion of others''. Needless to say I told him where to get off and refused to leave the bus, the situation only got resolved when a young Indian lady (presumably a Hindu) got up and let rip at the bus driver over the issue. She also had a dog and used buses; she had no more intension of listening to the drivers rubbish than I did.I have also had confrontations with some Muslim passengers.The problem comes from the fact dogs, like pigs are considered unclean and some people have taken this term far too literary. All it’s supposed to mean is that like pork you don't eat dog, both animals are scavengers, who will eat anything including animals that have died of disease or carcases that may be infested with worms or other parasites which may/can be passed to humans that subsequently eat the dog or pig.Personally I don't worship false idols or believe in mythical beings (gods) despite or more probably because of my Catholic upbringing and whilst I try to respect the beliefs of others I am fed up with the lack of respect the various religions have for my beliefs or right not to be manipulated by anyone else’s faith led intolerance or nonsense.

Philip Walsh ● 6226d

Blimey - sounds spooky!

Vanessa Smith ● 6227d

I've got you about right on that Vanessa

Keith Iddon ● 6227d

I can't stand anything with dried fruit in it - what does that say about me I wonder. I think the latest tripe was having to make Police search dogs wear shoes if searching  Muslim premises, a very senior Muslim cleric made the point that ACPO (Assn. of Chief Police Officers) who dreamed up this crackpot notion were being rather stupid and that it's high time Muslims made more of an effort to meet people half way if they wish to live in this country. There's being sensitive and there's being bloody precious. ACPO should remove heads from a***s and talk to senior Muslims before making these things public and winding people up once again.

Vanessa Smith ● 6227d

"This is completely bonkers and offensive to all race."KeithSimilar to the two lads who received detention for refusing to pray to Allah. The female teacher who imposed it has been suspended, but it is not a disciplinary measure so we are told! But it begs the question " why the hell wasn't she sacked?

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