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Insulting our service people

The scumbags from the lunatic fringe from the anti war brigade, hurled abuse at our troops, on a homecoming march to Parliament in Westminster. Activists abused and attacked the 120 men and women and called them cowards, That's rich coming from a mob of wasters, who do nothing but ponce off the benefit system, and only act in numbers, never alone! What a shame that the police evidently, did not arrest any of these unwashed dregs of humanity, lock them up and throw away the keys I say. They are the left wing misguided morons who are dragging this country down"Exercise your rights to protest about the war by all means, but don't ever, ever, call these brave men and women cowards, they joined the services to serve this country, and I am sure would much rather be protecting us here at home (including this Scum!) The cowards are the politicians whe sent them there.

Andrew Michael John Atkinson ● 6519d18 Comments

RobinOn a different thread you protested you were not alleging that the hate mail allegedly sent to you came from the ICG.  For a man with a good memory you are decidedly inconsistent.In any event I once heard it said that people who send hate mail only send it to those they take seriously.  If there is any truth in this I honestly can't think of anybody who would send it to you.  I can only think of one person who takes you at all seriously and you'd hardly be sending it to yourself, would you now?

Phil Andrews ● 6081d

"It is alleged that our dear Robin lives with 11 others in far off Southall..."ELEVEN others?!Tony, you really shouldn't believe everything your ICG mates tell you. None of you have a clue where I live - that much is evident from the fact that all the hate mail goes to the wrong address.

Robin Taylor ● 6081d

"And as the ranks of the Enlightened Ones finally deplete beyond critical mass he, Vanessa and Manria can huddle up together and console themselves with the knowledge that the rest of humankind isn't worthy of their affection."It is alleged that our dear Robin lives with 11 others in far off Southall, and are presumably have the same perspective on everything as he does, so it will be too cramped for all of them to cuddle up  (God forbid!)together, and besides we don't want him to become too excited do we?

Tony Stavides ● 6081d

I take it that you and your comrades Robin, agree with these morons who insulted our homecoming troops. Notwithstanding the fact that they were breaking the law, and the police as usual did nothing, other than protect them from the crowd who objected to their placards. The public Order Act section 5 states that any person or persons cause:-[4A Intentional harassment, alarm or distress]  [(1)  A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he—  (a)  uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or  (b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,  thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress. Why weren't these scumbags arrested under this Act,or did you consider that they were welcoming them home Robin? More questions to follow soon!

Tony Stavides ● 6081d

I knew there was a thread and a posting somewhere where New Labour claimed to have resolved the problem of the Mogden smell, but I never had the time to source it.  It appears the claim was made by Alan Sheerins on 28th July 2003, over six years ago, by its then Campaigns Manager Alan Sheerins, who fled to the Emerald Isle in exasperation shortly after having lost an unlosable seat at the last local council elections.  I am in your debt Robin.Robin appears to live in a strange land in which every member of the human race is a member of one political party or another.  Robin is in the New Labour Party, the home of the Enlightened Ones and the source of all that is pure.  Those who disagree with him about anything, be it the National Minimum Wage or which team will win the FA Cup next year, are all "allies" and must necessarily move in the same circles and agree with one another on every issue under the sun.Having thus pigeon-holed several contributors to this forum, their agreement with me (not me with them, note) on any piddling little matter constitutes "evidence" that I share their views on everything.  As the case becomes ever more tenuous so do the connections he makes, but he is able to reconcile the paucity of his arguments with his insubstantial conscience by convincing himself (though nobody else but the already convinced) that all those who question his findings are in some way inter-linked with each other and part of the same "right-wing" (i.e. non-New Labour) cabal.  Vanessa even used the word.One envisages him sitting in his sad little room, having finished his homework, drawing up flow charts revealing ever more convoluted "links" between all the people on this forum outside of his own rapidly declining circle, which like Perry Mason concluding a summation to the jury he will deliver triumphantly to an astonished world.And as the ranks of the Enlightened Ones finally deplete beyond critical mass he, Vanessa and Manria can huddle up together and console themselves with the knowledge that the rest of humankind isn't worthy of their affection.What a sad end to what was once a proud and honourable political movement.  How fortuitous that the community itself got its act together just in time to take over when the dictatorship of Those Who Know What's Best For Us finally fell.

Phil Andrews ● 6083d

I have been challenged by Phil Andrews and by Tony Stavides to give examples of Phil siding with people who express bigoted views.Stephanie has also been asking about who AMJA is. He is a strong ally of Phil's. His postings on this thread give you a flavour of what AMJA's philosophy is.I'm sorry, but I cannot think of any other way of making the point so I've revived the entire thread. This is the second such thread I have revived this evening.It makes for informative reading. In my view, the way that Phil Andrews enters the debate between Vanessa Smith and AMJA (he does so firmly on the side of the latter) illustrates IMHO that he has little hesitation in siding with people on the right wing. It clearly indicates where his gut instincts lie, despite his ability to sound like a parody of sweet reason when the moment requires it.Whilst I do not like those who abuse our troops, this whole thread, with its bullying and ganging-up on Vanessa by the ICG, leaves a very unpleasant taste in the mouth.

Robin Taylor ● 6083d

Any chance you could all stop starting and start stopping? Back on topic, I agree that it's unreasonable to attack soldiers. If people object to the war they should talk to the Politicians.

Justin Anderson ● 6514d

"But then again you are just a little right wing cabal whose opinions are of no interest to me"Being a left wing cabal didn't do too much good for you did it in.........Just a little reminder. in case you had forgottenHANWORTH PARKSTEWART, Rebecca (Con)      1418BUCKNER, Harley (Con)        1385WILLIAMS, Beverley (Con)    1374WALMSLEY, Stuart (Lab)      840ELLAR, Colin (Lab)          804WASON, Bobbie (Lab)          795MATOVU, Harris (LD)          498SMITH, Vanessa (HIA)      440

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Phil I think that at one time people saw Vanessa's postings as simply coming from a confused and bitter person cast out into the wilderness.  Then they started to become quite funny and entertaining and possibly even compassionate and caring when she realised she no longer had to impress any political masters. Recently the meaningless 'one-liners' posted all over the place without foundation would  lead many to believe that she has simply lost the plot. Many, it seems, have decided to humour her. I believe it is simply better to leave her to fester on what could have been if she had listened to the people she purported to serve. I think you once said 'wait, watch and be amazed'  Well I guess the amazement has taken its toll. This thread is indeed a beautiful example of the confusion she suffers. i.e Andrew starts a perfectly reasonable and debatable thread. Vanessa responds reasonably coherently for a change. Andrew points out certain hypocrisy. Vanessa then snaps and advises that Andrew is  "just a little right wing cabal whose opinions are of no interest to me" It begs the question that if his opinions are of no interest; why show any interest by responding? On the question of Mogden - I had a glance through the 2003 thread and am quite amazed by the rubbish posted by Sheerins and Vanessa Smith. I can categorically state that the first Hounslow Councillors since 1998 to ever take an interest in residents' concerns  were Cllrs Phil Andrews and Fred Muston. They were backed shortly afterwards by Richmond Cllr Dr Trevor Whittall. (Lib Dem). As Lead CFA Member in the Group Litigation there is no evidence that Vanessa Smith ever attended a meeting at Mogden or took any interest in the matter. There is no evidence of any correspondence she has had on the issue with Thames Water or anyone else. The first Hounslow Labour Cllr to take any interest and to become actively involved with residents was in  2002, Cllr Mike Carmen R.I.P. If anything the 2003 thread shows clearly that in taking cheap political shots at the ICG by making the ridiculous and unsubstantiated claims that Mogden had improved, not only undermined the Council's Statutory Nuisance case but it also undermined residents and demonstrated total ignorance. It is not surprising that Sheerins has disappeared and Vanessa Smith  is now lost in the wilderness. The fact is that the ICG, by listening to residents and finding out the facts for themselves,  instigated the statutory nuisance case and the judge found very clearly that conditions had deteriorated over the years and Thames Water had run roughshod over the last administration simply because no Labour Councillor was bothered to hold them accountable. Those labour Cllrs who ignored the problems and laughed off residents' concerns will never be forgiven by this community. I leave you now to continue with the interesting debate on the "left-wing"  scumbags from the anti war brigade who hurled abuse at our troops.

Steve Taylor ● 6514d

Six feet tall and 15 stone is hardly what I'd call small Van. I too would worry, if I found myself agreeing with you, because of for example, what you said about the disgusting way the ICG were treated, after they took you to court"We won the court case, you lost - get over it!" "You also bragged on this very forum that you had told the court a pack of lies, something that we were evidently supposed to be impressed by." Or words to that effect, you should remember the exact words!Yes Vanessa, as I said earlier I would indeed be very concerned/worried/ if I saw any value in anything that you say or do. If you wish to refute what I have said.....I'm listening intently. I'm also surprised that we haven't heard from good old JC, but perhaps he may not like or agree with your skulduggery both past and present!

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That's a very interesting thread Andrew.  I've just a little gander through in and picked up this gem.  If Steve Taylor is looking in I'd be grateful for his comments:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full-time councillors Forum HomePosted by: Alan SheerinsDate/Time: 28/07/03 17:32:00Well said VanessaI believe that major progress is being made at Mogden, they are trying a new method of reducing the stink etc, but it will not be in place for a few months yet. There is a 6 million investment planned. Incidentally i have been talking to people in Isleworth about the smell, they say that it is bad now but has improved significantly over the situation say 10 years ago or more. You and I know that you put plenty of pressure on for improvement, so has the council and Ann Keen.

Phil Andrews ● 6515d

But then again you are just a little right wing cabal whose opinions are of no interest to me, in fact I'd be more than worried if you agreed with me.

Vanessa Smith ● 6515d

Re:Re:Hypocrisy - Vanessa Smith style      Forum Home  Posted by: Gareth Evans Date/Time: 14/07/03 21:53:00  VanessaSomeone else, 5 years ago, had the same opinion of you as I have now. Read it again, and you will gather  that assumptions is not only the preserve of AMJA!

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PhilYour post clearly demonstrates, the hypocrisy of this woman, but unlike you she has a very short memory which is evident by your post. I wonder what her defence will be this time...if any,(It wasn't me who wrote it/said it/delivered it m'lud!) are you also a disgrace Vanessa? Perhaps you will stop and think in future, because your past lies will come back to haunt you!

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"yours was a typical slur when you couldn't possibly know the backgrounds of the people you describe"Vanessa Smith, 26th July 2008."Making sweeping assumptions about things you cannot possibly be certain of is a disgrace"Vanessa Smith, 26th July 2008.but neither can I stick labels on them ... because I simply do not know"Vanessa Smith, 26th July 2008."There is considerable evidence that they use the ICG as a peaceful veneer to conceal their real objectives. We believe the interests of ethnic minority families to be at risk if these people are elected."Election leaflet distributed in Isleworth ward by Vanessa Smith, Wednesday 1st May 2002.Just how well did you know ICG candidates Dr. Genevieve Hibbs and Fred Muston when you circulated that filth about them to potential voters, Vanessa?

Phil Andrews ● 6515d

No it was not a typical response - yours was a typical slur when you couldn't possibly know the backgrounds of the people you describe. Making sweeping assumptions about things you cannot possibly be certain of is a disgrace, then you go into a typical rant. I did not defend the demonstrators but neither can I stick labels on them and brand them 'lefties' or anything else - because I simply do not know.

Vanessa Smith ● 6515d

"How do you know they are 'left-wing' and how do you know that they are all on benefit? Or is that just your assumption?"Typical response, no mention of this bunch of wasters abusing the troops, which judging by your response, it is more important to mention assumptions than the fact that they were abused and called cowards, so perhaps you agreed with them! They are certainly not right wing or, middle of the road are they, so that is where my assumptions about them come from, just as your assumptions that everyone who mentions race, or immigration is a racist. But then we all know, that madam has always used that word to stifle any discussions on it that she disagrees with. Thank god Elsie and Doris Walters are history and have lost any political influence they may of had. 

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How do you know they are 'left-wing' and how do you know that they are all on benefit? Or is that just your assumption?

Vanessa Smith ● 6515d