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Hounslow Environmental Services

Supposed new contracts but same old rubbish system and same old rubbish answers to complaints.What was that Who song?  'Welcome to the new boss.  Same as the old boss.' et al?What galls me is the way that some councillors come on here and profess to have made improvements to a less than adequate service in the first place,levy charges accordingly, and then fail to deliver.  Is it because so many council employees have already been entrenched into their posts and come hell or high water can not be budged from these posts, no matter how incompetent they are at their job, for fear of upsetting the unions?  So why do we have to have local councillors in the first place?  Why can we not just elect the heads of certain departments within an area and see whether they can deliver the promised services or not.  Why have these intermediary waste of spaces in the first place?PS - the new waste disposal service is useless.  The so-called recycling service even more so. Seems to me when councils should be attempting to recycle more of the waste products, recycling bins in our residential areas have been left to overfollowing and when enquiries/complaints are made to the emptying of said bins it appears only the overflow is dealt with by street cleaners and consigned to general rubbish dump waste into back of Hounslow  and not recycled, recycling bins aren't emptied so why shouold residents of the area/borough wonder why they should bother to separate their rubbish when the council can't be bothered to collect it?  Or is it because if these councillors and their direct employees screw up and don't meet government inititives on recycling, they can just pass the costs/penaltives levied onto them to their paying clients?  PPS - which council tax payees would be interested in founding a group to attempt to lobby for increased accountability to local people from local government?  click on my name to e-mail me directly, or just shove your views on this thread. 

S Passmore ● 6540d12 Comments

I'm well aware that refuse collection has been contracted out but it seems to me that the same people employed by the previous contractors are still around these days and it seems to me that they are they same old useless bunch that have been around from days of old.  It also seems to me that anyone with an ounce of common sense has been side-lined.  I know bin-men aren't paid a lot of money for the work that they do.  But I'm also critising HH caretaking staff here as well, and the ones who are still around these days were the useless bunch who loitering on their brooms gossiping six years ago.And yes I will criticise local government employees.  Having worked in local government myself I have seen that there is so much dead wood that not only should have been pruned several decades ago that no-one in a senior management position knows what do with 'the waste of spaces' (my words.As to your 'expertise' claim, anyone with an happorth of common sense and a quick gen-up on so-called wishy-washy government legislatives, could attempt to deliver a better service than the ones in place today.And as to the place of local council spokespersons, why not just cut out the middle man regardless of his political perswaysions, and elect a person a person in charge of a certain area?  Surely then they'd have to put their abilities to where their mouth was at and then it would also cut down on people in the background proclaiming to be something they are not. I'm not gonna bring TC's dead child into this but local government nd it's over-paid employees (on substansial pensions) is nothing more than a white elephant draining the paying populace.As to the non-payers of any service they should be made aware to be grateful to receive a sevice they have not contributed to.

S Passmore ● 6540d

Personally, I think there's two issues here.  The first is the sad fact that the expectations of the public at large and the reality of what local authorities can deliver are poles apart.  And that fact isn't influenced by whether the Council is run by politicians or by little green men from Mars.That fact comes from two sources - firstly the ever greater reductions in funding being provided to local government.  Yes sometimes a local authority gets awarded a large sum from a specific government initiative, but that amount is always ringfenced to only be spent on a particular function, rather than for the wider public good.I don't know many authorities that aren't having to make cuts, and yes I do wish local politicians would be more open about it - if a football team starts with 11 players and by half-time 4 of their players have been sent off, then the team performance isn't going to be as strong in the second half as the first.Secondly, local authority staff have to deal with an ever-increasing raft of legislation, regulation and targets.  It is, in my opinion, impossible for targets to define 'quality' - because the quality of service can't be measured by whether the phone is answered 95 or 96% of the time within 5 rings, it's the content of the telephone call that matters.I take absolutely no notice of the whole CPA assessments etc. that are carried out to assess the quality of local government services, ironically the Council I worked for that had the highest 'rating' was undoubtedly the worst authority I ever worked for.  Recently I have been dealing with two matters for a local authority that many residents would probably, based upon nothing more than the properties within the Borough, think is a 'good' Borough, yet I have found them to be at best stupid and at worst completely incompetent at all levels.Notwithstanding my previous points, I do think there is a real mixed-bag in terms of the skills, abilities and attitudes of local government staff.  In my experience there's little doubt that the overall quality of employees has declined in the last 10 years.  At the same time I find that the poor staff are in the minority, and I'd have the pleasure of working with some fantastic staff over the years.  What I do find, and I think this is partly due to lack of finances and partly due to people not being suitably passionate about their jobs, is that people either don't take or don't get the opportunity to take training etc. to broaden their knowledge and experience.Sadly I don't think there is a solution, but I am regrettably certain the problems are only going to get worse :-(

Adam Beamish ● 6540d

Actually:1. I don't think I said they were "thick" I said they appeared to have no common sense.2. I didn't say they were "rude".  I said they were lacking in courtesy.  In my job, that is a widely used expression when correspondence is not acknowledge or replied to we would say "we have not had the courtesy of a reply".  I have not had the courtesy of a reply from the housing department.  On more than one occasion.3.  On salary increases - I say again, no matter how small the increase they do receive one every year.  In the private sector there are plenty of people employed who do not receive annual increases of any description.  I know because I am one of them.  I work for solicitors and it is 3 years since our last pay increase which was so minimal I can't even remember what it was but it was certainly well below inflation.  The reasons for this are purely economic and nothing to do with the quality or capability of the employee, nor is it confined to small high street firms.  I have two sons in law who do very different jobs.  Both are quite well paid but neither of them have received salary increases for at least the last 2 years.  However, my daughter who is a civil servant has had several regular pay increases over the same period.  I don't pretend to know what the figures are as far as the council is concerned but if anyone can assure me that council employees have NOT received a pay increase over the last 3 years I will apologise most profusely. I stand by my posting and it's not simply a rant.  For the record, yes I am good at my job which is why I still have one - albeit just about in this present climate.  My firm has just made redundant the whole of its support staff - except me.  Your first comment "funny people complain about local services yet at the same time want the council to get rid of staff".  Are you sugegsting that employing dozens of people to do one job is a more efficient way of of operating?  Getting rid of dead wood doesn't necessarily mean worse performance.For you having spent 10 years working for local authorities as you state, I can understand your need to defend them but I am not convinced your arguments or opinions are any more valid than mine.  We will therefore have to agree to differ.

Bernadette Paul ● 6535d

I based my comment "jobsworth" on the fact that last year I needed to place a skip in the forecourt of where I live.  This generated the interest of two councillors and numerous council departments and enough emails to fill a ring binder file plus the visit of a very nice lady who said she had been brought out of retirement to sort the problem out.  It was eventually agreed that I could order a skip and place it in the forecourt but the time and involvement of so many people and departments I think confirms my jobsworth description.Illiterate because I once received a letter from a council department (don't remember which one) but I could only assume the writer was totally illiterate or was a foreigner who had not even come close to mastering the English language.  It was an extreme example and I wish I still had the letter to prove my point.Believe me, I would be thrilled with a 2.65% pay rise or any pay rise.  I accept government funding may have decreased but council employees still receive increases.  I also accept that council revenue may have decreased.  With the property market completely dead at present the revenue lost from basic searches alone must be considerable.As far as job cuts are concerned, from my own experience I can also accept that it is not necessarily the worst examples that are got rid of.  It is often based on politics, race, or cost rather than capability.  However I suspect that is the case everywhere, particularly at this time.Of course I also accept not everyone who works for local government is hopeless it is simply a general comment based on some of the unfortunate examples I have come across. Obviously should the day dawn when I have a good experience of dealing with someone at the council I will of course give credit where its due but so far I have only come across bad examples far too numerous to mention.

Bernadette Paul ● 6535d