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The environmental backfire of the new recycling system

It must be red faces at Hounslow HQ. The new recyling system in Brentford seems to have descended into farce in record time.I have just got home to find foxes in daylight ravaging strewn emptied food boxes up the road, pavements as it darkens, mined with bags, boxes and litter and worst of all, finding a rat inside my food box which was on left it's side open (but emptied of sorts.)Clearly the staff are either too hard pressed or too slovenly to place boxes upright and closed after emptying. Everything down our street has clearly been chucked.Most boxes will be wrecked within a few months.I understand that the stuff was not collected till 5pm.Worse still is the no less then 3 vehicles carry out the task.The first is the traditional dustcart, a smaller one that manages to negotiate the small streets of Brentford, Then the crash and bang of the bottle recycling truck and now the three axled extra long wheelbase plastics and food truck. plus a load more operatives.What idiot ordered a vehicle too long for most residential streets? No wonder it fails to show up till 5pmAll three are diesels. Two are brand new. How come none are hybrid,electric or LPG powered?The recycling effort is well intentioned and a good idea, but the joined up thinking seems to have gone into the green bin. Peter has simply just robbed Paul.It's a mess and this still winter. The streets will stink if this carry on enters the summer not to mention the huge health hazard from vermin a spores from mouldy and rotting foodstuffs.What is it with this borough not being able to get it right?

Michael Brandt ● 6450d57 Comments

You shouldn't have to guess or remember which bin is collected each week - there is a calendar.  Have you received one and have you received the correct one for your street?Aren't they downloadable from the Council website?  If not - ask for them to be,  You could even download one for a neighbour who does not have the internet then.  You don't have to change your whole recycling pattern.  There is no reason for you to stop composting your garden waste and peelings etc if you did before or to not start doing that if you want to.  I believe that composters are still free in LB Hounslow and wormeries heavily discounted.The grant from WRAP is due to come to an end later this year and you may lose this benefit.You could try a green Johanna.Your rubbish and recycling depends on what you buy and what you waste.More help is available on www.recyclenow.com and many other websites. You can put your postcode in and find out what facilities are available to you and to your friends in other parts of the country.  Some places are aiming for sero waste!Stopping/reducing the amount of junk mail you receive is a good start.You can keep food waste for quite a while if it is wrapped well, the food waste bin closed and it has not been left out of the fridge or in the fridge for far too long first.  It is a great shame though that there does sometimes appear to be a difference in the attitude of different collection crews.  This is something the Council will definitely have to sort out. You have to keep the feedback going back but also make sure that you are doing your bit in following the instructions.Good Luck - it IS worth it!

Philippa Bond ● 6446d

This is a very big change all at once for many people (especially those who did not recycle before) and I do recognise that you have problems in Hounslow.Your reply is interesting and shows what a terrible state we have allowed the country to get into with the increasing amount of waste we have been making without a thought of what it was doing to us and where it was going and what it was doing to people there. Removing our waste is the only function many people seem to think our Councils do, when there are so many other important things that need their time and their (our) money.  In some places it has got to the point where people are just throwing their rubbish out of their windows giving no thought to anyone else or the environment. It has increased so much that some crunch was inevitable. You will also see from a previous thread how horrified I was that the bring banks at Homebase were being closed.  We have been cramming people into smaller and smaller spaces without the necessary amenities - ie houses divided without adequate bin space. Yes, there does need to be flexibility in the system as we all lead different lives in different spaces.  I think at the start of this there can also be a problem as people will have stored plastics for example because the new system was about to begin.I roll my plastics bag and keep it in the upturned green box and only put the little I have in it just before putting it out. I concentrate on giving the collectors the food waste, the plastics and the cardboard (often just flattened in a large cereal packet). I put my house number on my food waste bin having received back someone else's obviously never lined (I use newspaper) one which took hours to soak clean.Talking to and liaising with neighbours helps a lot as does  flattening cans, plastic bottles and cardboard. I've adjusted what I do several times to get to what I do now. However the less you have to recycle/throw out the easier it is and being able to use other local bring banks - either in the street or at the supermarket gives flexibility making it easier. Don't BRAG and CRAG have easy to read lists of bring bank sites? It is wonderful not having a dripping smelly black bin bag with food in it to carry through the house.  BTW I went back to using the milkman as I decided that the service he provides is better value.  Fewer visits to the shops to find the milk (most deliberately placed so that you are tempted by everything else first) is I reckon cheaper. He also delivers daily and collects empties daily using an electric vehicle.  Milk bottles can apparently be reused up to 10 times.  It is a great shame that this community service has been so undermined by the supermarkets being allowed to use milk as a loss-leader in the way they do.For those who cannot get out and about easily it can be a lifeline.

Philippa Bond ● 6446d

"We all want this to work - apart from it being the right thing to do, if we miss the Govt target of 40% the Govt have the power to levy financial penalties on the borough which will be the equivalent of £100 extra on your Council Tax."Jon - I agree we all want this to work and we want to do the right thing with our litter in order to elevate Hounslow from its status as 4th dirtiest Borough  in the country. The Environment Dept of this council has been under fire for a number of years and it seems from this latest debacle that it simply cannot get its act together. The additional litter left strewn across the Borough, despite the public having meticulously followed the Council's instructions on waste disposal, leaves me in little doubt that nothing has changed. I was quite happy to take my recycling to Tesco's on a weekly basis so naturally, having followed the rules of the much publicised 3 March recycling scheme, I am disappointed to see the recycling scattered around the streets of the Borough. I was under the impression that the new system was some innovative scheme of the Peter Thompson but it now seems from your post that it was forced upon the Council by the Govt. i.e. the Govt is now having to micro-manage the Council in order to save us £100 extra in Council Tax. My question is: if I forget about using the Council recycling collection service and revert to dropping recycling at Tescos (and receive reward points), am I guilty of assisting in the Council having to increase my Council Tax my £100? 

Steve Taylor ● 6446d

I have to agree with most of what you say, Philippa.People can be fairly resourceful and ingenious and most will find a way that suits. The more space you have the easier it is. It's a real problem for those with no space, kids, bikes and so on.Our home has a constant battle for where to put bicycles and the green box and muddy boots. And preventing it all being nicked or thrown about by yobs.I really miss the milkman (fnarr fnarr!!) Seriously the fact that for over 100 years a horse and then an electric float was the principle way of delivering milk to urban districts was superior.It was this sort of practical ingenuity that made this country the envy of the rest of the world.How we have fallen that now, we cannot even get a recycling collection service right. No wonder the europeans call us the third world British.It's something I hear more and more on the continent and when challenged the facts that they follow the statement with are hard to argue with. Very,very disheartening.Express, Job's, Co-Op & United Dairies latterly Unigate and Dairy Crest had a huge network and infrastructure which has been sold off and now cannot be reinstated.The supermarkets deliberately decimated the milk delivery system by selling milk as a loss leader and changed the way we buy it.I am guilty. I now buy Cravendale milk as it keeps longer and often I'm away which would leave milk on the doorstep. Our work/lifestyle had played a part in the demise as well.But there is so much more that used to be done that is no longer.Why are they not using electric vehicles for non-compactable collections?or the parks maintenance, or light road maintenance?Only the city of London seem to do this and have done for decades.

Michael Brandt ● 6446d

For the last year  or two I have been religiously taking my recycling to the recycling banks. Normally Tescos.  Only when I received the notification from the Council to start using the white bags, blue bags, green bins etc did I stop going to the recycling banks. Knowing that the new system failed so  miserably but accepting Barbara Reid's apology and the advice that people were working around the clock to rectify matters I specifically asked the Council (by email) if the system was now on track and if I should place my plastics outside yet again. The Council didn't reply so I put them out anyway but they weren't collected (again) . Looking now at the litter-strewn Borough where the wind has blown things all over the place I believe it was in any event a very stupid idea because the majority of people now just couldn't be bothered (unlike myself) to take their recycling inside again. Even if the system worked - there are too many bags which will be left outside (once emptied) and are scattered all over the place.  I guess I'll either have to resort to going back to recycling dumps again or put all my plastics in the black bin bags. Not very environmentally friendly I know but to look around the Borough now with all the bags all over place is not pleasant. This Council doesn't seem to understand that a very high percentage of residents simply don't seem to take any pride in their surroundings and the bags are just left lying around in the streets. Some empty and some still full!

Steve Taylor ● 6436d

Once when I was home (in Ealing) I noticed a small truck collecting the food waste bins and replacing with a new one.  I think this was at the start of the system and it would seem that they had run out of space on the larger lorry.Did you get information on how to reduce your waste as well as how to recycle it?  Obviously the less there is the easier it is to deal with it.  The Council did have a good Waste Reduction page on their website.With the downturn in trade it seems that every company I have ever dealt with has sent me a brochure/catalogue.  Registering with mpsonline.org.uk and the Royal Mail gets rid of a lot of unsolicited stuff.  No Junk Mail stickers are also supposed to help. I still caught someone in the office the other day throwing away a still wrapped magazine for someone who had left.  It doesn't take much more effort and energy to email to get taken off the mailing list.Food Waste - www.lovefoodhatewaste.com and the supermarket site such as Sainsbury's and Waitrose have recipes.  You will also find info on what Best Before dates etc really mean.I wonder how much consideration was given to how people change their habits eg no longer take to Tescos and recycle from home?  Does that mean you buy less from Tescos?  If you don't buy from the supermarkets you'll have less packaging .... and probably less food!I hope the situation resolves soon.As for the lorries travelling along the pavement - how could this be allowed to happen?  My heart goes out to Sarah Felstead who has campaigned so long and hard about the dangerous pavements.  We all use them as we all generally move between boroughs.

Philippa Bond ● 6435d

To be fair to Councillor Bowen, as an ex-LBH officer who worked alongside him for several years, I will testify that he always chases up Officers for responses and action and is fair and reasonable in his outlook and expectation.  I imagine on this issue the Council has been deluged by comments and complaints, so it may take somewhat normal than longer to respond to each individual comment.At the same time, there are numerous Councils I can think of (not Hounslow) where the whole way the Council is run centres around Officers 'pandering' to Councillors, because Directors etc. will never dare to actually say to a Councillor "I'm sorry but that isn't possible", and that isn't the way it should be.  In many ways my own frustrations dealing with Councils these days is that I find many Council Officers are poor at dealing with the general public, like during telephone calls, site visits (if you ever watch the terrible BBC series 'The Planners are Coming many of the Officers on there come across very poorly) and at committee meetings etc, and I blame this on the ever-increasing culture of general switchboards, increasing use of e-communication etc, which to a considerable extent has created a 'gulf' between Council Officers and the outside world.  But this in turn always raises the point that in my opinion the general public wrongly believe/expect Council Officers exist to serve the public, whereas to me that is the role of Elected Councillors, Officers these days are buried under statutory obligations, performance targets etc.

Adam Beamish ● 6429d