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Poor me?  I don't think so Patricia.  I think you'll find that whenever I've found myself under the cosh I've always finished up speaking last and loudest.  Do remind us how your political career ended.For the record I have not supported any scheme.  I voted in favour of an Executive motion to agree the proposal "in principle" subject to extensive consultation, a concept which I guess from your record you are not altogether familiar with.  If local people are not supportive of this proposal it will not get my support.  With respect I think you have rather a nerve asking what the people of Brentford feel about this proposal.  How can you, as a former councillor who stuck two fingers up to literally hundreds of her own constituents over the Worton development (not to mention the Mugabean Woodlands traffic survey over which you presided), have the bare-faced cheek to set yourself up all of a sudden (from Hampshire) as the champion of the citizens of Brentford?  Worton may be history as you say, but you bragged on this forum as recently as a couple of months ago that you still had no regrets over screwing your own former constituents in the way that you did.  Fair enough, if that is the way you do business - you knew the risks (presumably) and paid the price a couple of years later.  Others hung around a little bit longer before heading off up the motorway with their tails between their legs.  But please don't insult the readers of this forum by coming on here, bold as brass, and affecting concern for the wishes of our residents.And with regard to your unhealthy interest in my children, I can only refer you to my earlier comments.  I made a decision which I felt was in their best interests under the circumstances in which we find ourselves locally.  How amusing it is, considering the attitude that you displayed to others as a councillor, that you should appear so affronted that I omitted to consult you.

Phil Andrews ● 6233d

HiThis seems to be a pretty ill-tempered and not very constructive spat between a small number of people, deterring others from taking part.On the issue in point, "Back to the park. I for one agree to the proposal. From what I understand the car park will be under the flyover. Its a piece of waste ground which has had regular contruction buildings on it.I know others believe that letting developments into parks is wrong but I believe its the way forward. Without it Boston Manor House falls down."I have no problem with building on land under a flyover, per se. I don't buy the argument that without letting developments into parks, Boston Manor House falls down.  This is the same ropey argument that is put forward to let Gunnersbury Park be nibbled away in the interests of conservation. Fact is, Hounslow Council has a poor reputation for interest in its historic buildings and, for that matter, parks. It may be attribtuable to its length east-west and where the voting strength lies, I don't know. I recall Hogarth House also got a slim sliver of a wedge, but may have got that wrong (is that National Trust or Hounslow Council?).The important thing is not to overshadow (any more) either the grounds of Boston MAnor House or Brent River Walk.As to school governorships, I have been in my time a governor of primary, special and secondary schools, and politics does not come into it, even when as used to happen when governing bodies were larger, there were strong political enemies sitting side by side. The best interests of the school always come first.

Dan Filson ● 6239d

VanessaI've not the foggiest who 'phoned the school in question to tell them that I was a racist and a fascist and a personal friend of Colonel Gadaffi, and I really don't care any more now than I did at the time.  But I do know who 'phoned a local business (a pet shop) at around the same time and told them word for word the very same thing, because if you recall on that occasion you left your name!You can plead innocence and accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist all you like, history is history and unlike the allegations that you make and cannot substantiate (such as the claim made earlier on this thread that I have personally abused you) everything I have said is documented and can be posted up onto this forum for all to see upon request.As I have already made clear I simply don't know whether the manic and hateful behaviour displayed over the years by some of yours would be something that would be extended to my children.  I do however consider it something of an overstatement to describe my concern that behaviour already displayed towards others thought to be associated with me might possibly be repeated elsewhere as "appalling".  What evidence is available to reassure me that you and others would conduct yourselves differently in a school situation than in another?  Maybe some would even try to justify it - "You call it depravity, we call it politics" possibly?Like I say, I was not prepared to take the chance and that is the reason I took the decision that I did.  The idea that I would seek out an "excuse" to subject myself voluntarily to massive financial hardship at a time like the present is something I would more have expected from Mr. Hughes than from an intelligent person such as yourself.

Phil Andrews ● 6242d

As it happens I did apply to become a governor of a local school shortly after I was first elected to the council in 1998.  The school was then contacted by persons unknown and told that I was a fascist and a racist and not the kind of person they would like on their board.  Who might have said such a thing, I wonder?A bit of a cheek therefore, under the circumstances, to suggest that I am "not interested", wouldn't you agree?I note that in spite of my earlier comments you still persist with the falsehood that I am suggesting parents and other non-politicals who give up their time to become school governors are all involved in some kind of conspiracy.  It is this kind of dishonesty, which seems to come so naturally to you and yours, which makes it difficult for people to take anything else you say at face value.I would urge any neutral party who is interested enough to ask the London Borough of Hounslow for a copy of the borough's list of governors and to take a look at the distribution of names for themselves.  Your claim that "councillors were encouraged" does not ring true when one considers how many ex-councillors and other members of the party faithful have assumed key positions on the various boards around the borough.  Evidence of their caring nature and commitment to community service, or a watching brief?Your preparedness and that of others around you to take your bitterness towards me out on others perceived to be associated with me is a matter of record.  One recalls the abuse heaped upon residents concerned with the activities of Stanley Smith's and those on Worton and the Woodlands, not only because they disagreed with you but also because they were, allegedly, "Friends of Phil".  One remembers the nature of the 'phone calls to local businesses who had the temerity to advertise in Village News.  All of these incidents, which I concede are long in the past but which have never been publicly regretted nor apologised for, considered alongside the more recent "fire" and the various scurrilous leaflets, lead me to the view that I am dealing with people of a wholly different mindset to most normal people and that there could be adverse consequences for my children if they were ever in a position where their fate was in the hands of a teacher or governor from such circles.  If this is unreasonable or over-the-top then I am sorry, but I am a logical kind of person given to deduce that one's conduct in a particular scenario, unless there is any good evidence to the contrary, is more likely than not to manifest itself in a similar scenario elsewhere.My children mean more to me than politics, or anything else.  I have committed myself to making a sacrifice that I cannot afford to ensure that they do not suffer as a result of my activities in the community, activities which were not of their choice.  I continue to support state education through my taxes, I have simply chosen not to claim a payback on my own investment.The fact that my children are the subject of so much of your interest through this thread, and that their absence from a state school within this borough is a cause of such concern to you, only serves to confirm to me the wisdom of my choice.

Phil Andrews ● 6242d

So not "followers", nor "disciples", but "underlings"?  I'm sure only a broad, Hounslow-wide independent would have the subtlety of thought and mind to appreciate the difference.  For the record I accept entirely your version of events conerning the break-up of the Hounslow Independent Alliance Group on the London Borough of Hounslow and I have every confidence that there will be no further ruptures within the Group for the remainder of its period of office.But if you know me at all well John you will be aware that I usually choose my words carefully, and expect others to do likewise.  Take Jon Hardy, for instance.  As I am Leader of the Community Group on LBH this would make Jon my "underling" as a councillor.  However, as he is Chair of the ICG that makes me John's "underling" when we are not being councillors.  Confusing, but precise.I pay similar attention in my use of the word "follower".  According to Merriam-Webster a follower can be defined as "one that follows the opinions or teachings of another", or "one who chases".  There is barely a posting on this forum or W4 from your good self that isn't followed rapidly by another from Vanessa of the "You are so right John!" genre.As you know I don't consider the ICG to be a political party but I do appreciate the value of discipline, planning and hard-gotten progress.  You won't find any of us abandoning our posts without a suitable replacement and limply handing our seats back to our New Labour adversaries until such a time as they can demonstrate that they are worthy of them.  Can we anticipate the same commitment and endurance from you John?Btw, any evidence forthcoming from Vanessa to support the "personal attacks" allegation?

Phil Andrews ● 6244d

JohnThere was no attack on you intended but it is a demonstrable fact that the campaign against the Executive's proposal to agree "in principle", subject to a positive response from a public consultation and planning approval, to a request to provide car parking spaces on a piece of hard standing under a flyover has been solely pursued by your group.  Your comparison with Mogden is too silly to warrant serious scrutiny, but as you have raised the subject it is worth pointing out that the concern expressed by your friend and follower Vanessa for the plight of a piece of tarmac in Brentford contrasts sharply with her callous indifference to the plight of tens of thousands of residents living in the vicinity of Modgen STW.  If rats and weeds are ever given the vote perhaps she might still pick up the support in Boston Manor that she lost with her dismissive attitude towards her former constituents in Isleworth?As for sending one's children to public schools, well I'm afraid I took one look at the list of governors in most of Hounslow's schools and decided straight away that I would not subject my children to the nasty vengeful spite that would likely have been heaped upon them as a consequence of New Labour's deliberate policy of infiltration of our local educational establishments (which the ICG has heard chapter and verse about from the ex-Labour members in our ranks).  I would rather starve, which I probably will do given the magnitude of the commitment - we're not all in your financial league.Our nearest boys' school is Isleworth & Syon, for example.  It is my old school, and a good one as it happens.  I wonder whether you might have any idea who sits at the top of the table there?

Phil Andrews ● 6245d

Congratulations on the article Vanessa.  Despite its relative impotence in the overall scheme of things I freely acknowledge the propensity of the "Hounslow Independent Alliance" (which on LBH is now an "alliance" of one, having driven away two-thirds of its own membership) to be an occasional nuisance, much like an ageing, embittered three-legged dog with an attitude problem if one inadvertently stands too close to it.I find it interesting that you consider a patch of broken hard-standing under a motorway flyover with weeds growing from it to be "parkland", yet as a councillor were happy to build on a real patch of green amenity space belonging to your own constituents without a second thought, verbally abusing them when, having found out what you were up almost by accident, they then had the audacity to object to your plans for their neighbourhood.In stark contrast, we have been keen to involve the excellent Friends of Boston Manor group of residents in the consultation process at every step along the way.  For example we recently invited them to make a presentation at Area Committee, having acquired background documents for them at their request from officers at the council.Full consultation with FOBM remains our policy locally, in accordance with our unrelenting drive to radically improve community engagement within the borough.  A drive which, incidentally, has been opposed by the Labour Group all the way, from the Hounslow Homes Management Review to the £4m Tenant Empowerment Project.I enjoy Private Eye and "Rotten Boroughs" in particular, but this really is a classic application of the maxim "sh*t in, sh*t out" is it not?

Phil Andrews ● 6247d