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Petition to get rid of the Keen's

I wanted to tell everyone who is sick of the Keen's that Staurt is doing a Petition and had good Success last week in Hounslow and Hopefully will be in Feltham this week, this is his Email below.Hi SimonJust to let you know that my wife and I today gathered 60 signatures calling for the resignation of Ann and Alan Keen, MPs, for their outrageous parliamentary expenses claims. Passers-by in Hounslow High Street signed our petition saying they had no confidence in the Keens for both claiming second homes allowances -- a total of almost £40,000 a year of taxpayers' money -- when they own a house in Brentford, less than 10 miles from Westminster. As you know, Ann Keen is MP for Brentford and Isleworth; her husband, Alan Keen is MP for Feltham and Heston. In an hour and a half, we heard only one statement of support for the Keens. Otherwise there was overwhelming support for our petition, Ann and Alan Keen, OUT!, from all sections of the community, and from voters for all three main parties. "What has Ann Keen ever done for us?", "I commute to Central London for work every day, why can't the Keens?" and "It is morally wrong for two MPs to claim on the same home": these are a few of the views we heard. There is certainly a lot of anger out there at the Keens' job performance, and not just over their expenses claims. If you wish to further support our independent, non-partisan, campaign, you could help greatly by expressing your views in writing to: The Editor, Hounslow and Brentford Times, Allied House, 29-39 London Road, Twickenham,  TW1 3SZ, or email to: lettersrtt@london.newsquest.co.uk. One young man said poignantly that he was thrown out of work because of the recession a year ago and has been unable to find a job despite firing off scores of applications. He said he is struggling to get by on £67 a week dole money while the Keens are creaming in many tens of thousands of pounds of taxpayers' money. We hope to be in Feltham next week. Please spread the word, Ann and Alan Keen, Out!  Kind regardsStuart and Andrea ParrottBrentford

Simon Anderson ● 6199d63 Comments

Robin Taylor seems to be labouring under the impression that I'll be sending my petition, Ann and Alan Keen, OUT! to the Brentford and Isleworth Labour Party. He says, and I quote, "If they have any sense, the Brentford & Isleworth CLP will file your petition where it belongs - in the bin." That, of course, begs the question if Robin believes in democracy, community action and listening to the voices of the (mostly disgusted) local voters who signed my petition. More to the point, why on earth should I send it to the local constituency offices, if as Robin charmingly predicts, they will bin it? No, I will be sending it to the national Labour Party, to the committee looking into complaints about individual MPs and their grubby expenses claims, with a copy to the TUC committee also debating the issue. I think Robin ought to tell us why he so staunchly defends the indefensible, i.e. two MPs who betrayed the trust of voters by acting in a morally cheesy way. I don't at all mind if Brentford and Isleworth re-elects a Labour MP, as long as he/she genuinely works in the interests of the community. As they relax in their swish West End apartment, funded by us, the taxpayers, Ann and Alan Keen should contemplate the second homes expense claims over several years filed by Diane Abbott, another London Labour MP -- nothing! Diane should be proud of herself. My favourite though is Alan Williams, Labour member for Swansea West (200 miles from Westminster), whose total second homes claims were (2004-5) £4,521, (2005-6) £6,151 (2006-7) £7,073 (2007-8) £5,221. That's what I call a public servant, a man of integrity, who tries to keep costs down. Compare those modest figures with the astronomical and greedy 'double dipping' of the Keens (almost £40,000 a year)! And the Keens live in London, not Swansea!

Stuart Parrott ● 6195d

To be fair, I don't think that Stuart has "What has Ann Keen ever done for us?" as a rallying cry.I think he is quoting it, with other comments, as examples of the responses he was getting from people who were signing the petition.I can't remember who was talking the other day about the differences between an MP being someone who represented his constituents and constituency in Westminster and someone who represented the Westminster government in his constituency. My feeling is Ann would be somewhere in the middle and I suppose it is one of the problems of accepting ministerial office that one is expected to be loyal and cannot be awkward. I personally was disappointed with the Heathrow votes and I can't remember if her Iraq votes were influenced by being a minister at the time.Undoubtedly she has done some lobbying to obtain funding for Hounslow but one gets the impression that the change in local government regime has rather soured relations more recently. The constituency case load may well be heavy - but it is difficult for MP's to reveal what they have achieved in this area. Apart from the period when Ann (and Gordon) were espousing the issue of climate change, I can't remember much response to the matters I raised with her - presumably the personal issues of other constituents were more pressing and of higher priority. Robin argues that it is intolerable with members of one party trying to dictate the candidate of another party. I would claim that it is not very satisfactory when an MP and the constituents represented by that MP cannot communicate face to face with each other.

Tim Henderson ● 6198d

I cannot understand why Stuart Parrott is unwilling to let democracy take its course.There has to be a general election (and, by the way way, a set of local elections) within less than a year. Why can't people have their say about the Keens at the ballot box?Of course, Stuart is entitled to his own opinion about Ann Keen (and will soon get the chance to express that opinion in the traditional democratic way) but the view of many of those I have spoken to is that she is no further than half way up the list of alleged offenders.She has not "flipped" her two properties; she has not tried to claim for any "phantom" mortgage; nor has she tried to dodge paying Capital Gains Tax.As for Stuart's rallying cry of "what has Ann Keen ever done for us?" Well, quite a lot, actually, in the view of many of those who have been helped by her or have followed her career at the department of health. But then again, if Stuart and others disagree - well, let's fight it out at the general election.Stuart may claim his campaign is "independent" and "non-partisan" yet he has the support on his Facebook page of Ann's Lib Dem opponent Andrew Dakers.Stuart also has surprisingly little (in fact, nothing at all) to say about the fact that under the Tories the total bill for councillors' allowances has now reached nearly £1million.As per usual, we have Phil Andrews on this thread talking about "honesty and ethics" and castigating Alan Keen because he said "we apply our own ethics", yet what ethics does Phil apply to himself? Over £50,000 taken from the public purse in allowances in just two years.I find this situation intolerable. We have members of one party trying to dictate to another party who they should or should not have as their candidate. Ann was re-selected after being nominated by all ten ward branches (all of whose members knew full well about her expenses claims).With Mary Macleod and Andrew Dakers falling over themselves to try and appease Phil Andrews (so as to get their hands on the ICG vote bank) surely it is only fair that the people of Brentford & Isleworth should also have the opportunity of voting for someone who stands up to Phil.After all, that choice is part and parcel of democracy.

Robin Taylor ● 6198d

Gordon Brown, in the West Ham Rally, is quoted as saying :"If we believe that people should be responsible and people should act fairly and we should be fair to others, then it is our duty to make sure in our politics, in our economy, in our society, that's what happens."In the letter he sent out to putative supporters just before the election he said,"Whatever party they belong to, MPs should never have spent taxpayers' money on cleaning their moats or swimming pools, or paying phantom mortgages - and it's even worse at a time when ordinary families are worried about the impact of the recession.Labour are determined to put things right - not through words, but through action. This is not a time for papering over cracks - it's time for root and branch reform. And it's not just a question of paying back money. That's why Labour have suspended MPs who are suspected of wrongdoing...."I still see little signs of action and leadership.There is an interesting survey athttp://www.labourlist.org/80_of_labour_members_leadership_handled_expenses_crisis_badlywhere "activists" (and Brentford and Isleworth apparently didn't have anyone to reply) give their opinions on what is right and what isn't.I don't think I would use the word stealing in connection with my MP - but the expression used on Question Time "milking the gravy train" seems, at face value, appropriate.As with Andrew McKay, I think the MP should be able to meet and speak with his constituents and answer questions on his conduct and behaviour. If a good case can be presented that expenses were incurred following the HMRC wording "  an employee or office holder may deduct expenses incurred wholly, exclusively and necessarily in performing its duties. " then the MP can leave the meeting with his head high. If his attitude is that the system was wrong, everyone was doing it, yes, it was unfair and I am sorry for what I have done, the MP could well leave the meeting refreshed and, if supported by the local party for their excellent constituency record, their honesty may save them.What doesn't seem right is hiding in a bunker, unable to appear in the constituency and unable to represent the issues of the constituents.I had an interesting experience a fortnight ago when I participated in a 250 year anniversary event in Hayes (Kent) to celebrate the anniversary of the birth there of Pitt the Younger (born to Pitt the Elder, who had his house across the road). After a blue plaque unveiling, there was a reconstruction of an 18th century Evensong in the church and after 10 minutes of his sermon, the vicar handed over to the local MP to speak. I half expected heckling, but the well-behaved crowd listened attentively as he spoke about the work  of Pitt and the work of MP's today. He was honest about both making errors in the performance of their duties but convinced us that both had been human and worked hard to make things better for the people they represented. The sermon appeared to be well received and he handed back to the vicar to finish the service.I wondered whether that could have happened in my constituency.

Tim Henderson ● 6198d