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DanFor the record, the political violence that I engaged in was against other people or groups of people who themselves endorsed violence as a political method.  That in no way justifies it, however now that we seem to have established a more rational tone of discussion I feel it is probably time to clarify that.For instance, I was frequently involved in clashes with a group which went by the name of Red Action, whose stated policy was to smash fascists off the streets by force.  Over several years I was involved in a series of tit-for-tat attacks which sometimes resulted in Red Action members being violently assaulted, and at other times in National Front members being on the receiving end.  There was an understanding of sorts between the two groups, and I once even felt compelled to write to them and apologise when a fellow NF leader reported an attack on our (past tense) number to the police, resulting in a couple of RA guys sustaining convictions, because I felt that the unwritten code had been violated.As I previously stated however, most of the violence that I was part of actually involved rival fascists.  The 1986 split was particularly acrimonious in this regard, with the leader of one faction sustaining a broken arm following an altercation in Bethnal Green Road and another finding a bomb attached to the underside of his car.  I had no part in the bomb by the way, in case you wondered.With regard to my constituents being informed of my political background, I would only say that if you feel strongly about this you are free to come to Isleworth and "inform" them.  Somebody or other does it every time there is an election and the outcome is always the same, but for some reason my opponents continue to assume that my former NF membership is something I keep secret and about which the public are unaware.  It's a denial thing, and a stance which I consider rather arrogant in that it presumes that the visitor, be it from Southall or wherever, is cleverer and better informed than the ignorant locals when invariably it is the reverse that is the case.The truth of the matter is that my former NF membership is discussed at some length on the ICG website, has been mentioned several times on our own leaflets, is something I discuss freely on forums such as this and is known to the large majority of voters in my ward.  But if you cannot accept or get your head around that then, please, do exercise your democratic right to come down here and "inform" them again.

Phil Andrews ● 6166d

Phil's apparently rational and measured account of why he persisted in calling me Dan the Liar in numerous posts is flawed in one major respect. He had referred in a post to having been at a round table meeting with Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons. I inferred from the context of what he had said that this was some time after, possibly well after, 1991. He challenged what I wrote almost immediately, the next posting as I recall, and I equally promptly asked when then was the meeting. He didn't reply but instead went into what I can only call pompous mode uttering There will be Consequences type remarks. I haven't got the search facilities or the energy or time to dig out chapter and verse of all this, but I think the post I made, his challenge and my query of the date all took place in consecutive posts at a dull time of day or night. So nobody reading the thread would have been misled by my mistaken, as it subsequently appears, post. For him to call me Dan the Liar over and over again is wholly uncalled for and reprehensible for an elected councillor. However I won't refer it to the Standards Board as I happen to disapprove of that quango. I believe the electors should decide on whom to oust.That leads to my own abuse of Phil Andrews. He has made no secret of his past in the National Front. He wrote on 11 June "As a member of the National Front I witnessed literally dozens of incidents of offensive (in the sense of not being defensive) violence, and participated in some of them. The case for describing both the BNP and NF as violent organisations is unanswerable."I thought and continue to think that for someone to have been for 15 years a member of a neo-fascist violent organisation and then to seek and secure elective office under any or no party label is wrong. In my opinion they should not take part in public life. However there is nothing to stop them from doing so, and if the electorate choose to elect someone with such a track record then so be it provided the electorate are in full possession of the facts. Whilst Phil does express contrition over this period in his life, he has not said how many people were at the receiving end of his acts of offensive violence, nor whether he has apologised to them personally. I inferred from another post he made that the victims were political opponents. I find this whole area of political thuggery so alien to my experience that I have difficulty in grasping that it could or how it could occur, or how someone from an NF background of such length could get elected. If he is now going to desist from abusing me, I will desist from abusing him, but I do hope that come the 2010 local elections his past in the NF is made well known to the electorate along with his apparent renunciation of it. The electorate can then decide.For the record, I do not now live in Hammersmith and have not done so since 2006, but in the London Borough of Ealing and pass through LB Hounslow each day on my way to and from work. I have a family connection long past in the then constituency of Brentford and Chiswick, and took a modest part as a child in the Parliamentary campaign of my late father, and a somewhat larger part in another campaign a decade later. Hence a passing interest in how that borough is governed.

Dan Filson ● 6166d

DaveI don't think you are being pompous and I do welcome your advice.  However I do not use a word like "liar" lightly.  As you know I have a chequered political history, and one that I am deeply ashamed of.  People are always going to refer to my past activities and I am happy for them to do so.  I am also happy to discuss my past activities as, discussed sensibly, to do so helps those with a genuine interest to achieve a better understanding of these events and, hopefully, will also help prevent others from making the same mistakes.What I am not prepared to accept is gratuitous embellishment.  When, in 1986, I was convicted of an assault on a police officer the anti-fascist magazine Searchlight reported that I had committed a racist assault on a black police officer, simply because it sounded better.  I didn't take action against Searchlight, firstly because I didn't have the means and secondly because, as a leading National Front officer, I didn't really have much of a good name to defame.  As a consequence of my inaction several others, including the loathsome Andrew Gilligan, have subsequently repeated the lie, presumably in the belief that I am somebody who doesn't sue and am therefore an easy target for this kind of thing.The comments from Dan Filson need to be considered in the same light.  His allegation was that I met leading BNP members Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons after 1991.  The date is significant as it was in 1991 that I decided I wanted no more to do with the far-right.  It wasn't, and I've never claimed it to be, an overnight Damascene conversion, it was in fact a process which began long before 1991 and probably wasn't entirely complete until after 1991 (prediction - this is the bit that will now be seized upon and quoted in isolation by Robin and Dan).  But the allegation Dan was making was that my public rejection of the far-right in 1991 was bogus, and therein lies the defamation.At the time when Dan made his comments the possibility naturally suggested itself to me that he had made a genuine error in his interpretation of some comments that I had made earlier (although nowhere in those comments had there been any suggestion whatsoever that my meeting with Brons and Griffin had been post-1991).  In such an event, the obvious thing for him to have done would have been to retract and apologise.  This is what I would have done had the boot been on the other foot, and I know from experience it is what you would have done also.  Instead he became aggressive and abusive, to me the actions of a guilty man.  As a consequence of this I made the decision that I wouldn't engage with him further, as there was no point in debating with somebody who did not consider himself subject to the restraints of truth and basic decency.Now that you have given me the opportunity to state my side of the story I am content to desist henceforth from making my point about Dan's dishonesty in the childish but effective manner that I have employed up until now.  I actually agree with Alan that the quality of this debate lends no credit to any of us, least of all those of us in public office.All I ask my critics for is some basic honesty in debate.  In the cause of openness I am happy to give them all the ammunition they need in the form of real factual information, much of which is every bit as damning as the manufactured stuff.  Fascism is a brutal, inhuman and evil ideology.  It needs no embellishment and to resort to it simply surrenders the moral high ground which anti-fascism would otherwise occupy by default.

Phil Andrews ● 6167d