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Hi RobinThanks for your Kind words and I have nothing Against you but as i said in my Last Posting What Happened in the Past between Phil and I he and I have to Agree to Disagree with the Facts. Phil knows my Opinions on the subject and how i feel and that will never Change i just hope this time he will see to the Fact EVERYONE on the URA will work together but give all their Support to the New Chair and I hope the URA will Work not just with their Local Councilors but with their MP also, in my Opinion everyone should just get on and work together but i feel where Ivy bridge is concern that ain't going to happen Because of the Labor Party and ICG not getting on.I feel their are worse people who stabbed me in the Back with my Hard work on Ivybridge and they are the Very same person who abused Poor Mr Ayoby (AGAIN) at the AGM on Thursday Night i feel these people do not deserve to sit on a RA and one in Particular Mr Burrell who thinks its OK to Hit a Disabled Neighbor of His (A Neighbor he is supposed to represent on the RA) A RA should be made of Residents who Live on Ivybridge who want to Better their Estate and Represent and Help their Fellow Neighbors and this man Doesn't want to do this.As to Mr Tony Smith he gets Credit on here for Stuff that i started and he did nothing, this is a Guy who when was Vice Chair of IVYTAG asked me to start a Petition in the 4 Tower Blocks to fight for the Concierge when i did he refused to Help and it took Mr Ayoby and Myself 4mths to Finish the Petition (i Did 3 tower blocks on my own) and 98% of those that live in the 4 tower blocks signed it (BTW i never lived on Ivybridge then either but spent 4mths up and down tower blocks every night fighting for the residents) and he becomes CHAIR of the URA did he continue to fight for the concierge NO did he continue IVYTAGs Original fight for the Caretakers that he was in support off as VC of IVYTAG NO...I started the fight for speed restrictions etc on Ivybridge now others take the credit that does make me sick but i know Mr Ayoby he is like me he will talk and listen to residents and fight on the issues they raise so i say the URA is in Good Hands.Robin i disagree with Phil on Many Things but then i agree with him on Other issue, i also will say again i DON'T think this man is Racist and his past should be the Past and everyone Deserves a 2nd Chance.In my Opinion Paul Fisher should stand as MP in the Next Elections and i can state this if he did i would campaign for him 100% I don't want to get involved in the Political war between Party's as i get on with all the ICG Councilors, Phil and I will always be Friends but he and I know we will NEVER agree on the Past where Ivybridge is Concerned and I respect his opinion and i hope he respects mine.PS all this Fighting between Parties Regarding Ivybridge the only ones who suffer and Looses all the Time is the Residents why cant The Local Councillors and MP just Get on and work together for the Residents it would be a Better place

Simon Anderson ● 6150d

PhilI appreciate your Posting but i disagree still over how i become Chair of IVYTAG but i will Agree to Disagree with you on this one.But there was many times you supported me being Co-Opted onto the URA if OUR (Ivytag) people took Control. But i have been involved in whats been happening on Ivybridge for many years and when i joined and took over IVYTAG i didn't do it 4 you i did it as i shared the Same concerns about NITA as you did and i wanted to Fight for the Residents to get them a Fairly, Un Political and Constitutionally RA and when i thought this was happening 2yrs ago i resigned my Position as Chair so IVYTAG could be dissolved to make way for a NEW RA..i believed at the time that the URA was being Formed (threw Group meetings which you Chaired) of Ex NITA and IVYTAG members reuniting for the better but you have to agree this did NOT happen and people were Outed from the start and a handful of Trouble makers made sure this didn't work and what i have Herd the same Trouble makers were the ones throwing all the Abuse on Thursday Night.I agree with you they Must this time Reunite and work together as a GROUP and none of this us and You and i hope this time you will ensure this Happens because thats what i fought for 2yrs to see happen. I know Al he is a Lovely Man, Kind, Heart of Gold and would not hurt anyone and never holds Grudges and he will be Diplomatic and be the one to hold out the Olive Branch and try and get everyone working together for Ivybridge if Certain individuals don't play Ball then they show themselves as they Don't care about Ivybridge as if they Do they will put past in the Past and Shake Hands and they can have the Best RA there has ever been over there.But i do agree we will have to agree to disagree about the past and look towards the Future and i wish everyone connected to the URA all the very best of Luck.I have to go as my Internet connection don't work long in this Jungle (wink Wink..lol)......See u at the wedding i hope

Simon Anderson ● 6151d

Simon,It is a well known fact that Phil has a habit of rewriting history to suit his own ends (and that can be seen clearly from the postings he has made on this thread). However, in his post of 12:50 he excels himself by actually telling lies about me with relation to the PRESENT rather than the past. He states that I am "dictating" who should be the person to run the local residents association. As you can see from previous postings, all I have done is offer a rather vague opinion.He chooses to make an issue about my living in Southall. But I have always said that my main interest in your local area is that it holds the key to who wins the next general election (it being a marginal seat) and as a low income person who favours a Labour government I obviously hope that those (such as the ICG) who want a Tory victory will fail in their endeavour.You see, the ICG are doing a great job for the Conservatives by breaking the Labour vote on what has traditionally been a Labour-voting estate at general election times.However, I am also someone who has always had a genuine interest in community politics (and who, during the 1980s, conducted more "tenants surveys" - and made more complaints to the building services department about damp - which they always defined as condensation - than I care to remember).Phil keeps repeating the fact that I live in Southall and it's clear from his obsession with this that he has a problem with the town. I should say that if he resents me commenting on Isleworth affairs as a Southallian, then back in 1979 his cronies certainly made themselves feel at home in our town when they came here from far and wide, smashing shop windows and holding an illegal NF meeting at Southall Town Hall while the locals coming home from work were randomly beaten around their heads with police truncheons.Phil claims that the Labour Party in Hounslow has said nothing to disassociate itself from my actions (what "actions" precisely?) but the fact is that both they and I have made it clear that I speak for myself, not the Hounslow party. On the other hand - and this illustrates that there is more than a whiff of hypocrisy emanating from Phil's dorection - when Alan Sheerins once asked him to disassociate himself from some inflammatory remarks that his donor Jim Lawes had made, Phil rounded on Alan describing his party as "miserable" and saying "Why should I disassociate myself from Jim's remarks - they are Jim's, not mine".So I'm afraid you are dealing with someone who does not play with a straight bat (and the fact that he states that he has "far too much humility" indicates that you are also dealing with someone who is far too fond of blowing his own trumpet).Simon, when Phil says you did your job at Ivytag "extremely well" and commends you for your "excellent efforts", my advice is: beware. It is called "flattering to decieve." I'm not saying that it is  untrue but I am saying that Phil only gives out compliments for a reason. At the moment, his main concerns are two-fold: getting re-elected next May and ensuring Mary Macleod's victory in the general election held on the same day. (The fact that she and her party couldn't give two hoots about the type of people who live on the Ivybridge is simply irrelevant to Phil because for him it's all about control). This means he'll need to temporarily build bridges with you and Al-ayoby (despite the horrendous way he has treated you in the past and despite also his sarcastic remark to Al-ayoby last year when he told him to be careful to log out and in again when using a different name).To end with, Simon, let's wish Al-ayoby the best of luck. I'm not interested in interfering (contrary to what Phil says) but I do like to see strong, united communities that can give an effective voice to working people. I even hope that Al-ayoby can work with the ward councillors but FOR THE INTERESTS OF RESIDENTS and NOT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE COUNCILLORS. Whatever you do, don't let Phil use you for his short-term political goals - because when you are no longer useful to him he will unceremoniously dump you again. You can count on it.

Robin Taylor ● 6151d

SimonI am grateful for some of the comments that you made towards the end of your posting but before continuing this conversation (if it needs to be continued) by PM or via e-mail so as to stop feeding the trolls, I wish to make one last attempt to get through to you what I am saying about your leadership of Ivytag because I resent the allegation that I am liar.  I may be many, many things and I am aware of many of my shortcomings, but a liar I am not.When I met you at the Royal Oak we discussed you becoming involved with Ivytag.  I was in favour of this.  But what I am saying to you is that I was not personally in favour of your elevation to CHAIR - not for any personal reasons and not because I doubted your abilities, but because you didn't live on the estate.  Please feel free to confirm this with George Burrell, because it was upon his insistence that you became Chair.  Not mine.So Simon, to summarise - did I support your involvement with Ivytag? Yes.  Did I personally consider it was a good idea for you to take up the post of Chair?  No.That is all I am saying Simon, and this a FACT, not a lie.  However when you became Chair of Ivytag you did receive my support, and I freely acknowledge that you did a very good job in that role.I will need to remember not to employ humour in my correspondence with you in future, I had forgotten how sensitive you were.  But the Japenese nonagenarian reference was a joke Simon, nothing more.We should indeed agree to disagree over past events on Ivybridge because it is the present and the future that are important now.  The new Committee will need all the help and support it can get.  With goodwill and a lot of hard work there is no reason why Al should not succeed, and if he asks for my help he will get it.

Phil Andrews ● 6151d

PhilFirstly i am not going to discuss Al and the current URA.but don't lie about when i took over IVYTAG u were against it as u instigated it.If i remember i met you (first time) in the pub nr my house in Weavers Close we were together a couple hours you told me about IVYTAG you asked me if i wanted you to write to nita to ask why i was thrown off or would i like to take over IVYTAG, you then set up a meeting between George and I and the county arms and George said he would be Happy to hand it over to me as i was the best man for the Job please don't try to change the way it started nor don't deny the fact i helped you get rid off nita by attending scrutiny meetings at the civic center after handing in a letter to them regarding the current situation on Ivybridge i can be accused of many things and i will take the blame but don't come on and say it happened differently Phil.What i said was that i agreed i could Not Chair the RA (after many residents wanted me to) as i didn't live on Ivybridge but at the time i recall you telling us at a meeting in Mr Ayobys house that when IVYTAG took over the RA the members could do anything they wanted and get me on as a Cooopeted Member (something that disappeared from the Constitution now)In 2007 the URA was Formed but the Co-opted part in the Constitution they changed, then Al was Accused by the secretary of Giving me information which i strongly denied then and now i told everyone it was 2 woman on the committee giving me the Info, Al was Bullied because he spoke out in the Chronicle against the going on inside the RA he was singled out because they knew if he left the other ex IVYTAG members would go then they would be able to control the URA like they did to NITA when Mr Ayoby suffered this Abuse did you support him NO he was a Resident who voted you and a member of the ICG but you did nothing for him.For 2yrs the URA was run the same as NITANITA refused to work with the Councilors but work with the MPthe URA would work with the councilors but not the MP.NITA would get rid of Members they didn't like or who wouldn't do what they wantedThe URA did the sameNITA would refuse certain residents in joining the Association so Did the URANITA would bend or change their Constitution to suit them so did the URANITA did not listen to the residents nor did the URANITA were not wanted or supported by the Residents nor was the URA in the past 2yrs.Now you fought against NITA because they shut you out and you were fed up with their Tactics but with the URA you supported them and did nothing in the past 2yrs when they were doing the same things as NITA and Why?? Because you were pat of the URA i bet you if the URA cut you out we wouldn't be having this conversation would we Phil.Phil i have agreed with stuff you and the ICG do i am forever praising Paul up and other ICG members.Ive also backed you up when people on here call you racist i have said i don't think you are and your past is the past and everyone deserves a 2nd chance.Outside Politics i think you are a OK guy thats why i invited you and your lovely wife to our wedding and i hope you both still come but i think instead of this argument we agree to disagree with the past events regarding Ivybridge Estate.The only thing i ask is that you support Al if certain others abuse him and try to prevent him getting on with the job he is elected to do because like you i think he is the best man for the job as he cares so much about Ivybridge as you would agree but i will say this for the last time i have no interest in getting involved with what Al is doing on there because i would not jeopardize his hard work and i know the R.A is in the best hands and i will say this Phil NO ONE WILL MAKE ME GET INVOLVED OR TRY TO CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR AL HE is my Closet Friend and i am so Proud and Pleased he has Control of the URA.I hope this will be the end to this conversation but i don't take lightly you making a joke against me regarding the Pin and Hand grenade i am not stupid.

Simon Anderson ● 6151d

SimonI am reassured by your comments and I know you would not consciously do anything that would cause Al any difficulty or embarrassment, so please don't think that is what I was suggesting.But you only have to read Robin's comments to see that there are people who will try to exploit the delicacy of the current situation for their own ends, and his most recent post in particular (11:56) clearly demonstrates the way in which the Labour Party has lost no time in trying to inflame the situation and provoke arguments.I mean, would you have the nerve to post on a Southall community forum explaining to the local councillor what is happening on one of the estates he represents, pontificating about its history and dictating who you think is the right person to run his local residents' association?  Of course you wouldn't, and neither would I.  We both have far too much humility and self-awareness.And yet here he is, demanding answers to questions about my actions on an estate in another borough to that in which he lives.  Have you ever encountered such arroganceand self-importance before?  And ask yourself why it is that the Labour Party in Hounslow says nothing to disassociate itself from his actions because I certainly would if claimed to be doing these things on my behalf.Simon, at risk of upsetting you I have to say that the belief you seem to have that I somehow "used" you arises from your faulty recollection of events.  When you joined Ivytag it was George Burrell, not me, who wanted you to take over as Chair.  Certainly you were the most talented of all the possible contenders, but I expressed the view at the time to George that it would not look good having a Chair who was not resident on the estate.  George listened to my advice but chose not to take it, which was his right as it was his decision to make, along with his Ivytag colleagues.  It was not mine.For all the time you chaired Ivytag, a job you did extremely well, you publicly accepted that any new association could not be run by yourself as a non-resident.  I dare say that if I searched the Google cache I could find postings that you made at the time which would substantiate this, but I think you will accept anyway that I am correct about this.Thanks in no small part to your excellent efforts a new association was born in 2007.  The new association had a right, but not an obligation, to co-opt non-residents.  However it chose not to do so.  Again I had absolutely no part in this decision whatsoever for the very good reason that I am not a member of the association, far less do I tell it what to do.  And yet you appear to blame me for this too.Al was elected to the post of Vice Chair of the new association but sadly he fell out with his colleagues and resigned.  I think he was wrong to walk away, for what it is worth I believe he should have hung in there and tried to change things from within but, again, this was his decision to take and not mine.  Al was clearly disappointed that I didn't support him and maybe in retrospect I ought to have made more effort to reconcile him with the Committee, but rightly or wrongly I was keen to take a hands-off approach as I have in all my dealings with the URA whatever you may believe to the contrary.  It seems I stand accused simultaneously of interfering too much and also of not interfering enough.However that is in the past.  Al is now Chair, having been elected by what was in my view a clear majority of those present at the meeting in spite of some obvious organisational problems arising from the sheer number of people who attended.  He will now need to overcome what will probably be an initially adverse reaction from some of those who disagreed with the outcome, and at the same time attempts by the usual suspects who will try to take advantage of the current delicate situation to inflict the maximum possible damage on what is a truly independent, resident-led association.  He will need to be alert to both, and people like yourself AND MYSELF (and my original comments were not intended to single you out, although clearly you took them that way and Robin seized upon the opportunity to stir the pot further) will need to be careful that we do not become unwitting pawns in somebody else's game.  That is all I am saying.Since typing the above, I have read your more recent posting.  I don't know who you imagine I am, but I have no power or authority to prevent you from expressing your opinion and I wouldn't dream of doing so even if I did have.  You have every right to an opinion, but please remember I also have mine.  We are both on the same side here Simon.  We both want Al to succeed.  Could I please suggest then that we take a step back and don't allow ourselves to be drawn into a heated disagreement which serves the agenda of others but not that of either of us?For my part I apologise for any impression I may have given that I was attempting in any way to suppress your opinion, or to single you out as a non-resident when my comment was intended to be a wider generalisation.  From here onwards I will choose my words more carefully, and will not allow myself to be suckered into falling out with others like yourself who have goodwill for the new Chair and for the people of Ivybridge.

Phil Andrews ● 6151d

I find it strange that a ward councillor would chair the meeting of a tenants association. Surely a TA is there to represent the views of its members to the council (not vica versa).In the 1980s, I helped to establish a tenants association for three high rise blocks of flats on a South London estate. I then left it to its own devices and moved to a different part of London. When I visited the area many years later I discovered that there was a tenants association operating not just for the three high rise blocks but for the whole estate. Whether it was an enlarged version of the one that I had started or a new one I don't know. The point is that it operated entirely independently of the local (Labour) ward councillors. The notion that any of them would have chaired its meetings would be alien to the principle of the TA's status as an independent organisation.I believe Simon is correct when he points to the inconsistency of Phil's approach. When Phil needed Simon to help with the running of Ivytag, the fact that Simon was not a resident of the Ivybridge did not seem to matter. But now that Simon is no longer "on side" and is no longer of any use to Phil, suddenly he is just an irritant who should mind his own business because he does not live on the estate.The same double standards have been applied to me and Dan (who were criticised for posting on this forum on the grounds that we do not live in the borough) whereas others who live in Ireland or Australia are welcome to express their viewpoint because they do not offend the ICG.Before Phil comes out with his one-liner about "don't feed the trolls" I should point out that far from being interested in dividing residents, I am glad that Al-ayoby is the new chair. He is not a Labour supporter but from everything I have read and heard he seems like the best bloke for uniting the widest range of tenants (and most of all for ensuring the INDEPENDENCE of the URA from political control). Time will tell.

Robin Taylor ● 6151d

SimonI have no intention of having an argument with you, even if I could make head or tail of what you are saying.  You remind me of one of those Japanese nonagenarians who emerge from the jungle every now and again still clutching a grenade and refusing to accept that the war is no longer happening.  Al stood for Chair yesterday and won.  He is in the Chair.  Enjoy it and chill out man, for Heaven's sake.As Lead Member for Housing I helped create a process in which every resident had a vote, one apiece to be precise, and that process was applied to the new association which formed in 2007.  A Chair was elected that year upon application of that simple principle and I supported her in my capacity as ward councillor because she had been properly elected.  I supported her again when she was re-elected in 2008, and I supported her successor when he inherited the post through the correct constitutional procedure later that year.  Last night that same democratic process was applied and resulted in the election of a new Chair and he too will receive my support for the same reason.  Do you begin to see a common thread here Simon?  It is not about the individual, it is about constitutional legitimacy.If any Ivybridge resident or group of residents do not believe that the correct procedures were followed last night then there are constitutional means of challenge which they are at liberty to follow, and it is right that there should be.  Al could (and in my view should) have used these same means when he fell out with the URA Committee in 2007 but, for whatever reason, chose not to.  That too was his right.What I will say is that if any resident or group of residents elects to work outside of the constitutional process they will not have my support.  Under the new set-up there is no reason for anybody to act outside of the Constitution, because it recognises and upholds the fundamental right of all residents to an equal say in how the association is run.It is a regrettable fact, but perhaps an understandable one in consideration of past events, that there is still too much suspicion on Ivybridge.  I was disappointed when Al and a majority (but not all) of his supporters voted for me to stand down from chairing the meeting yesterday because it suggests I wasn't trusted to conduct the ballot fairly, when as anybody who studies the sequence of events over the past two years will see that I have followed them to the letter, even where doing so has resulted in accusations of betrayal.  The fact that I took the decision to stand down (after a vote which I was under no obligation to call in the first place but did so of my own choosing), despite having won the support of a small majority, should demonstrate to you both how concerned I was to ensure that residents had complete confidence in the integrity of the process, and that I did not consider myself to have any personal interest in the outcome.For what it is worth - and it is no more than a personal view - it is my hope that rather than drawing out the squabbling residents will get behind Al and help him to build the association to the benefit of all those living on the estate.  There will be another AGM next year and people will have the opportunity then to judge him on his achievements.If he gets it right, he could be remembered as the Chair who put it all right after nearly a quarter of a century of upheaval and unhappiness.  If that happens nobody will be happier than I will.

Phil Andrews ● 6152d

"I would suggest that you, I and others who don't live on the estate allow Al the space to shape his new role in the way that he thinks best.  There have indeed been a number of outside influences Simon but let's be honest and admit that, for better or worse, you have been one of them.  What would be best now, in my view, would be for us all to take a step back. "Was that when i took over and ran IVYTAG for you Phil or when i disagreed with what happened when the URA was Formed, the abuse Al Got and was thrown off by a mocked up Committee (like NITA used to do which you were against then) and how the other ex members of IVYTAG was so disgusted in the Treatment to Al left and that Al nor them got your Support then nor did u sit down with Al to try and sort the issue out between him and the Ex NITA members (like u did for Mr Burrell when NITA threw him off)I worked my Butt off as Chair of IVYTAG alongside you to see the End of NITA and their Tactics and i had it thrown back in my face after both groups were dissolved and i felt (as i have told u manytimes) i felt let down so yes i did get involved my involvement (when i was not on Ivybridge) was ok when i was Chair of IVYTAG doing others work wasn't it.The other time i got involved when people were banging on about someone being Chair of IVYTAG which NEVER happened i stood down as Chair a week later IVYTAG dissolved correct me if i am wrong but don't you have to have Meetings to be called Chair and don't you need to be elected to become Chair (never Happened) so yes i got involved in that to.Like i said i have no interest in future works of the URA or Ivybridge because i know Al is the Best man for the Job.

Simon Anderson ● 6152d

Phili have no interest in getting involved in whats going on over there and i haven't done for a very long time (though it used to be in the Constitution that the members can elect a co op member who doesn't live on Ivybridge and if i remember when i chaired ivytag u said that this could happen)I read what you said about certain residents following a political group last night stopping you being chair of the meeting but the same can be said about those that support u who Abused Al last night.As i was told Mr Robinson walked out in disgust that Mr ayoby was elected Chair and Mrs Tollay shouted to him to come back (Swearing) my point here is that these people were swearing and abusing another resident and the RA represents this resident too, you cant have members of any RA abusing other Residents as if they do they should not sit on a RA.Some of the things happening on Ivybridge - the work and campaigning for these started long before the URA if you recall IVYTAG started the campaign for the Safety issues (if u remember you were on the walkabout that i set up with Highways with PC McLean) it was also IVYTAG that campaigned to get the Park fixed if you recall, as to the Raised Platform i believe Campaigning for this issue started years ago by Big John then IVYTAG got involved but i am glad its happening.I told Al on the phone it was a shock to me what happened last night as i never even knew he was going or standing as i haven't spoken to him in Weeks believe it or not. But you can be ensured i don't nor interested in getting involved and i hope EVERYONE will put there support behind the New Chair and this time it is a Success and i am glad you agree with me regarding the 27 Joining and i hope this happens but you cant blame me for my Happiness this has happened after all the years i put into Ivybridge.So i wish them all success and i Hope they all just get on, no more hostilities and if they do they sort the trouble makers out as i think we both agree its got to work this time.Ps - Furthermore i am FAR to busy fighting Tesco up here with the great Help that Both Cllr Hardy and your Fantastic Wife is helping me with..lol....

Simon Anderson ● 6152d

SimonI agree with your sentiments.Whether anybody is told off, thrown off, hung, drawn or quartered is really now a decision for Al and the new Committee when it is confirmed.  My own position has always been constitent and clear - as the local ward councillor my duty is to support the democratically elected Chair and Committee, as indeed I did last year and the year previously.It is true that this can all go one way or the other, but my feeling is that Al has a real opportunity now to unite the estate behind him in a way that it has never before been united if he plays his hand correctly.  This in my view would necessitate some magnanimity in victory with a willingness to let bygones be bygones, and to take on board and try to placate some of the concerns which undoubtedly arose from the conduct of last night's meeting.  I don't see anybody else straining at the leash to be Chair - even before last night Tony Smith had made it clear on a few occasions that he was willing to hand it over if a suitable volunteer came forward.  It is more a question of Al trying to convince those who have opposed him that they have been mistaken to do so and that he is the right man to move the estate forward.  I believe he has what it takes to do this, just so long as he keeps his cool in what could be a difficult initial few weeks or months.What I would be most keen to avoid, bearing in mind that the majority of Al's vote came from members of the Somali community, would be an "us and them" situation divided along racial or cultural lines.  I believe the Somali community is mindful of this danger as many of Al's supporters were at pains to explain to me after the meeting that they only seek what they believe to be a fair voice, proportionate to their numbers on the estate.  I think this is reasonable, but it is a situation that Al will need to deal with sensitively.Ron Robinson did offer his resignation and made to leave the meeting but was talked out of doing so by a great many people, including several of Al's supporters.  I was pleased that he changed his mind, because his presence as Vice Chair lends the new Committee an element of continuity and reassurance for those who might feel that they have been the victims of a coup d'etat.I would suggest that you, I and others who don't live on the estate allow Al the space to shape his new role in the way that he thinks best.  There have indeed been a number of outside influences Simon but let's be honest and admit that, for better or worse, you have been one of them.  What would be best now, in my view, would be for us all to take a step back.  As a ward councillor I do have a role to play in the devlopment of our estates, but where URA business is concerned I only propose to give my opinion, counsel or assistance when and if it is asked for.

Phil Andrews ● 6152d

PhilAs far as i was informed (though not confirmed By Al as not Spoken to him yet) that he was Verbally Abused by Mr Burrell, Mrs Tooley and Mr Robinson who after being elected as Vice Chair took Offense that Mr Ayoby was elected (fairly) in as Chair and walked out saying he would resign. I too was informed Mr Ayoby conducted himself very well and never rose to it, lets be open and Honest here those that Abused him were all part of NITA and the same people who Bullied Al and other Ex IVYTAG members off the URA when it started and Mr Robinson in Front of Hounslow Homes (and i believe your good self) at a URA meeting attacked Mr Ayoby which left Mr Ayoby so distress after that he collapsed and ended in hospital a week later.These individuals are Bullies and only interest is controlling the URA and deciding who they want on their they don't recognize the URA is bigger than them and the URA belongs to the Estate not them and it is up to the Residents who they feel they want to Chair the URA and i know that Residents on Ivybridge have not been happy with the previous lot for a very long time so they decided a Change is Needed, i was informed that 1 resident shouted at Tony Smith stating he has done nothing as Chair of the URA and i have to say I agree.I feel (and always have) there is FAR to much outside interference going on with Ivybridge and the R.A it should be left to the Residents to Run.I agree with you Phil its time to put past Disagreements in the past and for them all to work together and get on for the good of Ivybridge but i personally cant see this Happening.It is clear from last night its a case of them against Us situation and that Needs to Change and If Mr Robinson is the VC he needs to start getting on with the Chair and work together as the Residents on Ivybridge are the important issue here.Phil i never stated that i wanted to see it happen i was stating a Fact that unless certain Individuals above stop acting Childish and Abusive this isn't going to work.I agree Al is a Very Nice Guy and would not Harm anyone and he will only be to happy to put past in past and work with everyone but they have to do the same and their Can be what we had the start of the URA Them Vs Us.The Residents spoke last Night and everyone on the RA owe it to them who voted them in to work together for the Great of the Estate without all this Hatred and Verbal Abuse don't you agree Phil?Mr ayoby is well respected and known on Ivybridge especially via the Ethic Residents and will do a great Job as Chair and i feel they have voted the right person so i really wish him and the URA well and Say Work Together the past is the past and ALL members, Local Councillors and Hounslow Homes need to Work together now to inprove Ivybridge for the Residents those members who continue to cause trouble should stay off the URA or be thrown off.

Simon Anderson ● 6152d

As the person who chaired the first half of what was a difficult meeting, not least because of the 100+ attendance, I would like to endorse the comments made by Simon in his first post and also those made by Paul.Al Ayoby conducted himself with great dignity and presence throughout a meeting which at times became heated.  I heard one critic of Al's "lose it" and call him a name.  I didn't hear any racial abuse, but with so many people present accept that I could have missed it.  There was also some four-letter abuse scrawled on a ballot paper directed towards one of the candidates - I don't know which one - and this vote was discounted.  I utterly condemn any resort to abuse, especially of a racial nature, and it is to Al's great credit that he did not react.There were some obvious shortcomings in the conduct of the meeting, largely because the traditional "show of hands" became very difficult with such a large attendance and much activity going on between votes which resulted in hands being raised and dropped, uncertainty about children voting, the odd person becoming confused and voting more than once, and so on.  Notwithstanding this it was clear to me that the man who was elected to the position of Chair was the one who had the most support at the meeting and, like it or not, that is how it works.I regret some of the sentiments contained in Simon's second posting because I believe it is now in everybody's best interests to try to find a way to consign old antagonisms to the past and to get behind the new Chair and the new Committee for the greater good of the estate.  I would not entertain any suggestion of anybody breaking away or working against the existing Chair or Committee.  Such a measure could be justified under the old set-up but with One Resident One Vote being firmly established both within the Constitution and in practice at the meetings such an unnecessarily divisive act could not be supported.I spoke to Al briefly at the end of the meeting and he seemed clear that he wishes to build bridges and unite the community.  If he requires my help in doing this - and the choice is entirely his to make - then he will have it in full measure.For those who are interested in this topic, I have written in more detail about it here on my blog:http://philandrews.blogspot.com/2009/07/out-of-chaos-comes-opportunity.html

Phil Andrews ● 6152d