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Just Say No!!!

To free speech on drug issuesTo truth.To the real heath problems coursed by bad production methods and contaminants in illegally produced drugs. To the truth over psychosis and cannabis.To the informed opinion of so many prominent scientist and academics. To the fact that Billions of pounds has been miss appropriated in the war on drugs, for the advancement in building the infrastructures of state, the police and prisons being the only beneficiary's, not our Health service or us, drug users or not .To the fact that the under the UN Opiates act we are obliged to take care of the health, welfare and social issues surrounding drug use through education and treatment.To the fact the criminalising, imprisoning, repressing and terrorising drug issuers simply does not do that!To the fact that the unjustified lies of drug oppression is safeguarding alcohol and tobacco sales.To reality.To the good of ALL the people.Above all to proportionality and justice.

Philip Walsh ● 6213d10 Comments

I think Alan Johnson - not to mention the rest of the Government - have shown staggering arrogance in ignoring Prof. Nutt's advice - what is the point of having experts advising you and then telling them they don't know what they're talking about? So many countries are now coming round to the idea of de-criminalisation of drugs and realising the way to fight this is to legalise and regulate, we need politicians with guts and foresight, not a load of moralising cowards. Unbelievable.

Vanessa Smith ● 6213d

Alan Johnson has succeeded in digging the governments hole even deeper

Steve Taylor ● 6213d

Did I forget to mention the Judges, the court system and of course the Barristers or as they or otherwise known the well educated children of the wealthy and well connected.Kind of explains the Tory stance.I didn't spell check my spell check on the first post caused not coursed in the first line, must be the pot not poor education!

Philip Walsh ● 6212d

Personally, I'm very much in favour of each to their own when it comes to drugs.  No amount of research or education can shape a human's impulse to do something they like doing.I guess I'm incredibly 'innocent' in this regard, I've never even tried a cigarette, forget any other substance - I just can't get my head round the logic of smoking or doing drugs when common sense says they aren't going to benefit me in any way.  I drink, but rarely to excess, and can't remember the last time I went out with any specific intention to get drunk.Which all makes me sound incredibly boring, yet I'm regularly out with friends who do drugs of all classes, I actually feel sympathy towards smokers as I feel 2009 society treats them as 2nd class citizens, and in my frequent nights out clubbing there has never been a single occasion I haven't been approached by a complete stranger asking if I've got any e/tabs/whizz/whatever.I can't say I was brought up strict in respect of drugs, alcohol and cigarettes, my Mum smoked when I was younger and my parents always made it clear that if I wanted to try a cigarette I was welcome to do so.  Was always allowed a small glass of wine etc. with a family meal from the age of probably 12 upwards etc.Ultimately it's all up to the choice of the individual.

Adam Beamish ● 6211d

See the thread on W4 Adam  -'Labour after Daily Mail readers' - peace has broken out, everyone seems to agree that the Drugs laws need reforming and Alan Johnson has scored a spectacular own goal and made himself look a complete prat in the process.

Vanessa Smith ● 6211d

Adam I think you have unintentionally hit the nail on the head over this problem with your comments,I just can't get my head round the logic of smoking or doing drugs when common sense says they aren't going to benefit me in any way.  I drink, but rarely to excess.The population of this country have been conditioned though misinformation not to recognise alcohol as a drug for a start, hence many of the worst anti drugs campaigners drinkYou feel sorry for cigarette smokers because they are being treated as second glass citizens the drug they use is extremely dangerous to themselves and others yet they are allowed to do it.I can get up to five years imprisonment for possession of cannabis, I can have my door smashed in by state thugs, and have my wife and family terrorised in their home. As they have been on four separate occasions. Three generations of my family have been put through this. What class of citizens are we. I rarely get stoned to excess and with out eating a lot one can't, if I did eat a lot I won't die or feel as bad as you the day after risking your life via overdose of alcohol.Your right about education or laws not stopping people doing what they enjoy but through education you get sensible choice options. Laws give you a criminal record and sod all else unless you include increasing despondency.Only the liberals at this moment seem to recognise the facts hidden behind the years of lies.

Philip Walsh ● 6210d

Funny, I knew you'd reply about how alcohol being a drug.  Rightly or wrong I still percieve that having the occasional drink isn't at all likely to do me any harm, in either the short term or the long term.  The occasional cigarette or illegal substance is, again in my perception, more likely to.Not sure I get your point about sensible choice options, are you saying that by choosing to do cannabis you're making a silly choice ?.  I don't feel there's any link between education and drug use, nor your financial well being and drug use, ultimately it all comes down to what makes you 'tick' as an individual.Ultimately though I have to say it isn't a big thing with me, if people want to gradually kill themselves by smoking etc. that's their right. 

Adam Beamish ● 6210d

Adam in yesterdays times Professor Nutt warned the government of the time bomb that is alcohol, but I guess you like the Government will continue to bury your head and pickle your brain.As for education and drug use my 15 year old son doesn't do drugs and has stated that he knows not to go down the Heroin route.He knows not to, do to truthful education and having a uncle who has ruined his liver, kidneys, collapsed every once visible vain and most of the ones that weren't, who has hepatitis B and a body covered in old abscess scars, My son has been educated to know better. The average working class kid hears the crap about drugs like cannabis sees the lies of safe alcohol. (pissed parent, family violence) and does not believe what they are told about crack and heroin.you must be one of very few people who feel that there is no link between finance status and drug use especially with regard to the young and their perception of the future and what it holds for them.

Philip Walsh ● 6209d

How exactly am I going to pickle my brain ? - what's with the aggressive attitude ?!.  I was very careful to emphasise in my previous posts that my comments were just my perception, nothing more nothing less, and yet off you go suggesting I'm going to pickle my brain...you're hardly a good advocate for recreational drug use if you jump on people just because they have a slightly different take on things to you.Regarding the link between finance and drug use, how come we regularly read about people who are absolutely loaded and are addicted to substances of one kind or other ?.  Common sense tells me if you're loaded it's far easier to get hold of something than if you haven't got a pot to p**s in as it where.

Adam Beamish ● 6209d

AdamSorry if I seem aggressive its not personal, but alcohol use causes sponginess of the brain, that is a fact.As for wealthy people taking drugs, yes they do, but more often its coke, not smack and they take it for pleasure not to numb their lives and escape their reality. When or if their is a problem and they become addicted, wealthy parents or a healthy bank balance allows for treatment and detox. The poor on the other hand can't afford such luxuries and if they run short of cash end up shivering, throwing up and shitting themselves uncontrollably and to stop the withdrawals end up stealing or selling their bodies, They can of course go to the doctors for methadone,  a substitute more dangerous than smack itself that's why so many people die from it.I don't say legalising all drugs will end the problems of drug addiction but criminalising the sick isn't helping society or them is it, spending the huge amounts of money spent on criminalising people on treatment programs and education on the hard facts would.

Philip Walsh ● 6208d