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Ann Keen -A vote for Ann results in  runway 3 being built

Please remember,If Labour win the election they've promised to approve construction of the third runway at Heathrow.No ambiguity-they will-despite overwhelming wide- spread researched oppositionThe disruption to our  schools and residents in this borough will be catastrophic

John Todd ● 5909d190 Comments

Of course I will vote Conservative, I want new growth in our Industries I want my grandchildren to be able to have apprenticeship's I want not to have to go without something because we cannot afford it this week, I do not want a Governemnt in that I cannot and will not respect because they have so manipulated the Laws to suit themselves.This governement will surely go down in history as having made more Millionares at the expense of the people whom they should be working for but do not and when we have the temerity to try to complain they give the draconian attitude of don't do as I do do as I tell you too.

Dawn Hardy ● 5877d

Personally I think we're headed for a hung Parliament,which if Hounslow Council is anything to go by will be interesting in extremis. That would mean that the Lib Dems would have the casting vote on everything (nothing wrong with that),but it does make me wonder if there will be mass renovation of community halls in Liberal held seats though,that might cost us a bit.

Tony Wood ● 5877d

You mean you will vote Conservative, now why does that not surprise me?

Philip Walsh ● 5877d

If I were to vote Dakers that would most definately mean a Labour Government.

Dawn Hardy ● 5878d

"I always vote Conservative in the Country Elections however in the Council Elections I voted ICG and I will do again this time, they work hard for the Community."Yes - but things have changed a lot since the last elections. This time round a vote for the Conservatives in BC&I is a vote to put Keen back in Westminster. Vote Dakers!

Steve Taylor ● 5879d

Thanks Dawn, that's appreciated.

Phil Andrews ● 5879d

I always vote Conservative in the Country Elections however in the Council Elections I voted ICG and I will do again this time, they work hard for the Community.

Dawn Hardy ● 5879d

Dawn, you sure about that voting thing are you! who did you vote for as MP as opposed to councillor, as you still seem a Tory to me!

Philip Walsh ● 5879d

It would seem that the opposition to the 3rd Runaway had a resounding victory today in court against the government who asked as an excuse that the air polution around Heathrow and surrounding areas not to be taken into consideration in this case. They were told by the court to go away and re-look at Climate Change.

Dawn Hardy ● 5881d

We through the Labour Government own 85% of RBS(Royal Bank of Scotland) who loaned Kraft America 10 Billion Pounds towards an 11 Billion Pound deal to buy Cadbury who have since closed plants to move to Poland to enable Kraft to make a better profit, Mandy Mandleson being Business Secretary instead of worrying about a lifetime supply of Cadbury Chocolates should have been asking pertinent questions as to why? we allowed RBS to loan such a vast amount of money,also what future plans Kraft had for Cadbury. After all wasn't it the majority of Banks finacing in the USA the cause of our going bankrupt.

Dawn Hardy ● 5881d

The Conservatives are opposed to Heathrow expansion. Ann Keen and the Labour Party are in favour of Heathrow Expansion, Runway 3, the destruction of Harmondsworth amd more noise and pollution.The Limp Dims ar irrelevant.

David Giles ● 5881d

Selective memory again Brink of bankruptcy = IMF + Maggie Thatcher.Current problem = Worldwide economic down turn as a result of wide scale American banking fraud + British dependants on a service economy largely based on the banking system as introduced and positively encouraged by the previous two Conservative governments.I'm no fan of Labour but I do live in the land of reality.

Philip Walsh ● 5881d

Philip,The reason I have only just come upon the Forum is that my daughter introduced me to the site because through an operation I have had to sit at home slowly going mad with boredom. I can assure you I am truly not a spin doctor I just have a strong aversion to the Labour Party for not answering questions and for bringing our once proud nation to the point of bankruptcy. However I voted ICG last time and I will again this time after all they are the only ones who seem to give a damn about our community.

Dawn Hardy ● 5882d

Dawn just commenting that your sudden appearance on the site the seemingly selective political memory. The blind love of the Tory party and the inclusive propaganda stile of the all inclusive we.I am a naturally sceptical person, One has to be on this and the the W4 site as their are people on both who pretend not to be spin doctors for their own political parties and your post read like theirs.I am not the son of Peter Walsh of whom you post. My dad was called John.

Philip Walsh ● 5882d

Mr Walsh,You appear to have a fascination with my background, I have been trying to remember your surname and low and behold, you don't happen to be Peter Walsh's son who married into the Frewin's of Kew Bridge 60 Years ago do you, if you are we could perhaps swap stories.

Dawn Hardy ● 5882d

Steve,I have checked who owns British Water and it is as follows:-Thames Water was acquired by Kemble Water Limited on 1 December 2006.Kemble Water Limited is 100 per cent owned by Kemble Water Holdings Limited. The investors in Kemble Water Holdings Limited comprised Macquarie's European Infrastructure Funds 1 & 2, certain other Macquarie-managed funds and various non-Macquarie investors made up largely of pension funds and other institutional investors from Europe, Canada and Australia. Macquarie European Infrastructure Fund 1 (MEIF1) is a diversified pan-European infrastructure fund. Its mandate is to invest in a portfolio of infrastructure assets located in European OECD countries. It has investments in a variety of infrastructure sectors including transport, ports, ferries and utilities.Macquarie European Infrastructure Fund 2 (MEIF2) is a follow-on fund with similar commercial terms but with a broader geographic mandate across the expanding European Union. Both MEIF1 and MEIF2 are managed by Macquarie Capital Funds (Europe) Limited; a member of the Macquarie Group, a leading global investor and manager of infrastructure businesses. Members of the Macquarie Group manage infrastructure around the world through a range of listed and unlisted vehicles. Infrastructure investments managed by Macquarie include assets in the transportation, water, telecommunications and energy sectors in the UK, Germany, Portugal, France, Spain, Sweden, Poland, The Netherlands, Denmark, Belgium, Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand, China, Korea, Japan and South Africa among others. Macquarie aims to manage investments in infrastructure assets profitably and responsibly, and aims to responsibly develop public infrastructure assets.It would appear that this is a very large Continental Asia Pacific and North American Conglomerate it is all the more important that we the people of the Community along with ICG and the Lib Dems must a.s.a.p. get together to plan a strategy, we can utalize the Media especially as the Stench cover's an awful lot of the area, I have phoned at least 20 of my friends who have phoned there fiends so it "start's", the most important thing is that because we do not use the Forum then apart from the Stench we really had no understanding of the end result, now that we do collectively we can fight in a way they will not like The Media. I would imagine that the ICG Lib Dems and yourself have the experteise for this, I can say quite truthfully that I can along with friends gather the whole of the Bretonians to our side. Look forward to your comments

Dawn Hardy ● 5882d

Dawn its really hard to take you seriously, you claim to have a family that's lived her for 5OO years. you constantly use the 'we' term as a clarion call, very inclusive. Claim to have not had time to keep abreast of things due to children. I was the main carer to my children growing up; It made me more politicly interested, not to busy! you also seem to have progressed very much into the spirit of the Mogden campaign becoming 'effected' from a previous level of near ignorance.Not quite sure what self educated means, I got thrown out of three local schools by the third year (Year 9 nowadays)and while I learnt more out of school than in, I would hesitate  to use such a term as self educated.

Philip Walsh ● 5883d

"it does not matter if you are Tory,Labour,Lib Dem or ICG leave politics out of it and concentrate on what is best for we the people who live in this disgusting stench field area. Come on together we can beat the Water Crooks. "Dawn - I agree, so does the Lib Dem Candidate and the ICG.  The problem is that the Labour lot proposed approval  of expansion purely to show the ICG that they still run things around here and the Tories backed them 100% because they were bullied by Council Officers and weren't prepared to await the outcome of the High Court trial. We have repeatedly asked theTories if they will support the Lib Dems when they demand Thames Water to do the job properly - but they won't answer that very simple question. They obviously have no intention of doing anything good for the community by 'coming together' with other parties on behalf of the people of Hounslow and Richmond

Steve Taylor ● 5883d

Perhaps it's time to invole the media, after all we have many many famous people now living in Brentford and Isleworth, how about fliers being sent out asking not only for there support but everyone in the community also a time and date at a community hall for a meeting to take place, surely with all the community working together, it does not matter if you are Tory,Labour,Lib Dem or ICG leave politics out of it and concentrate on what is best for we the people who live in this disgusting stench field area. Come on together we can beat the Water Crooks.

Dawn Hardy ● 5883d

"Then if it as you say and the Conservative Councillor's are at fault maybe we the community should set a precedent and take them to court if that is the only way we can have the contract fulfilled" Dawn - we ARE in Court currently - and all is being revealed to the Court. The Tories screwed this up on a massive scale. The only party backing the ICG on this issue is the Lib Dems. Tory Todd has been asked umpteen times if he and his Tory Party will back the Lib Dems and the ICG in their quest to get Thames Water to act properly but he refuses to answer. Every day when there is stench in Richmond and Hounslow, the community has only the Tories to thank for allowing this area to become the biggest cesspool in Europe.

Steve Taylor ● 5884d

Then if it as you say and the Conservative Councillor's are at fault maybe we the community should set a precedent and take them to court if that is the only way we can have the contract fulfilled. However it still appears that the onus was on the Labour Councillor's who failed miserably followed perhaps by ignorance on the Tory Councillor's part.

Dawn Hardy ● 5884d

Not to mention served notice on the ICG that as far as the tories were concerned the coalition was a one-way street.  I see the brentford conservative candidates claim "Hounslow Council has been under Conservative control now for the past four years" on the news page of this forum. That gives an idea of the esteem in which they hold their coalition partners doesn't it?

James Dash ● 5884d

"for instance the Mogden problem has not just been a problem for the last 5 years but ever since it came into existance, however the Labourites were in power for 26 years before the coalition and precisely what did they do, absolutely nothing"Indeed Dawn - but when the Residents Action Group, Co-founded by Cllr Phil Andrews, came on the scene, and the pressure was on, the Labour Administration did eventually issue an Abatement Notice in 2001. Unfortunately they didn't see it through so the matter was 'settled out of Court' I think its widely accepted that the Labour Administration was rather useless after 30 odd years in control and thus they lost control of the Council. However, the most despicable thing that happened since was in March 2009 was when the Tories had every given opportunity to force Thames into a corner and order them to put right the errors of two decades, they simply agreed to allow Thames to proceed with the massive expansion with no agreement to reduce current levels of odour and no agreement to cover the storm tanks which ratepayers have already paid for in 2005. This is unforgivable. It is far worse than simply doing nothing as Labour did. Residents will not forget this. The Tories stabbed them in the back. And now....they won't say why, they won't apologise, they won't offer mitigation. They effectively negated all the hard work done by residents and the unwavering ICG over the last 9 years.

Steve Taylor ● 5884d

"for instance the Mogden problem has not just been a problem for the last 5 years but ever since it came into existance, however the Labourites were in power for 26 years before the coalition and precisely what did they do, absolutely nothing"Not quite true Dawn, they've actually done quite a lot - condemned residents who have organised against the Pong and accused them of going off "half cocked", secret meetings with Thames Water management followed by public delarations of support for expansion, constant attacks upon the thousands-strong residents' action group by Labour spokespeople on this forum, led on the SDC for expansion in a clearly premeditated fashion.  Their candidates even had their photographs taken outside the plant a few weeks before the last local elections, how's that for commitment to the residents' cause?

Phil Andrews ● 5884d

We no longer have any assets left the Labourites have sold anything and everything that was not tied down, however much you decry Mrs Thatcher she did an awful lot of good for the Country although I do disagree with Mark getting a knighthood. Labour have manipulated Laws to suit themselves so that they would not have to face criminal charges absolute trash the lot of them.

Dawn Hardy ● 5884d

Mr Connelly,Perhaps you should check your facts if you look at the response that I gave Vanessa Smith you will see that an awful lot of our assets have been sold off by dear Tony and Gordon, it's so very easy to blame the Conservatives, for instance the Mogden problem has not just been a problem for the last 5 years but ever since it came into existance, however the Labourites were in power for 26 years before the coalition and precisely what did they do, absolutely nothing so because there is a forthcoming election then anything and everything is anybody else's fault bar theirs.Whilst other's have enjoyed an idle life, I besides bringing up a family spent my life working a 10 hour day so I could'nt have the luxury of playing on the computer all day and getting paid for it.

Dawn Hardy ● 5884d

"...in fact you are an utter nonentity..."Maybe so, but a nonentity that you seem to get really wound up by. Otherwise why spend so much of your time on here having a go at me?"...rejected in his own borough by the party he supports..."Another lie, I'm afraid. The local MP has invited me round to meetings in his office on numerous occasions."...too afraid to venture into the (borough) he spends his time weirdly obsessing about..."Another lie. I'm in the Hounslow borough most days of the week. "You have intimated in the past that you believe anything and everything I do or say in my community cohesion work... is all done with the object in mind of impressing you and winning your favour."I haven't intimated anything of the sort."My political history is there for all to see - google "Phil Andrews" and "National Front" and it's all there for everybody to read.  My work over the past couple of decades is also well documented."Yes, it is. Would you like me to give forum readers a less than flattering summary of some of your activities during the past twenty years, and how you have regularly chosen to acquaint yourself with racist bigots (in much the same way as a fly acquaints itself with a cowpat)?"...I know I am not going to disavow you of your unswerving belief in your own seminal importance to the political life of this borough..."I'm just someone with an opinion who happens to be saddened by the way that you have facilitated the Tories with the necessary votes in the council chamber to destroy the services (such as HLS) which used to make Hounslow proud.One final thought, Phil: you may remember a couple of months back on the Chiswick forum, that I told you that I would not engage in debate with you because I was concerned at the way you were getting high blood pressure.I did not make that comment to be in any way patronising, it was purely out of concern. I did, however, add the caveat that I would only avoid arguing with you as long as you did not misrepresent me. Well, you spent the next three weeks launching unprovoked attacks on me whilst all I did was turn the other cheek.So, because of your foolishness, I called off the unilateral truce - and now here we are again, having more arguments with you getting hot under the collar. Sorry, but I gave you a chance to avoid all of this. You've brought it on yourself.My belief is that you choose to have these rows because you continue to be consumed by an incessant hatred of people on the anti racist left. The favourable way you talk about AMJA and Nick Griffin, compared to the way you talk about me, illustrates this fact perfectly.

Robin Taylor ● 5884d

Absolutely correct the last periods of Conservative government was nothing but an orgy of asset stripping that this country will never recover from. During which the likes of Mark Thatcher was given more than a little (illegal) help from mummy to set up his arms company (a pre courser to trying to overthrow a third world country and and steal its minerals?)It was without doubt the most corrupt self serving and greedy period of recent political times, worse by far than the current bunch of self serving thieves currently in power.Neither Conservative nor Labour deserve another period of office; corruption and self interest have become endemic in both parties neither are there for US!

Philip Walsh ● 5884d

RobinYou have a grotesquely inflated sense of your own importance, and pontificate as though you were Kavanagh QC summing up for the benefit of the judge when in fact you are an utter nonentity, rejected in his own borough by the party he supports and too afraid to venture into the one he spends his time weirdly obsessing about to lend any meaningful assistance to his colleagues.You have intimated in the past that you believe anything and everything I do or say in my community cohesion work - speaking to young people about the menace of racism, chairing anti-racist meetings at the council, attending and speaking at multi-cultural events, travelling the country to give intelligence to members and officers from other local authorities - is all done with the object in mind of impressing you and winning your favour, for reasons which are completely beyond me.  Do you have no inkling at all of how ludicrous and absurd such a notion makes you appear?I really do not give a rat's ass what you believe, or what you choose to believe.  My political history is there for all to see - google "Phil Andrews" and "National Front" and it's all there for everybody to read.  My work over the past couple of decades is also well documented.That you would appear to see yourself as some kind of Nemesis figure, and me as somebody who cowers in fear and trepidation at the thought of you raising issues that have always been in the public domain anyway, is absolutely bizarre.  Really, really bizarre.But I know I am not going to disavow you of your unswerving belief in your own seminal importance to the political life of this borough so please just carry on making an ass of yourself, impressing those who desire to be impressed but pissing off just about everybody else.If you really want to know how clever you are, consider how clever you think you are and divide it by a very large number.

Phil Andrews ● 5884d

"Clumsy, but entirely innocent."I wish I believed you, but I don't. You see, I know the way you operate. When you post a link to a website attacking an anti fascist group like "Searchlight", it seems entirely probable that the website may itself have some fascist connection, surely?"I note you omit to mention the other two sites that I linked to at the same time, both of them belonging to left-leaning anti-racist groups."Actually, correct me if I am wrong, but they both attack "Searchlight" don't they?"But why let that get in the way of a good opportunity to misrepresent somebody?"If you think it is my intention to misrepresent you, then why on earth did I go out of my way to state that you had later issued a clarification to the effect that you had posted the link by accident? (The fact that I don't believe it was an accident is neither here nor there - at least I did you the favour of quoting you correctly).As you know, Phil, I am a stickler for accuracy. Sometimes I may not always get it right but I try to. It is because of my genuine desire to be accurate that I have consistently refused to endorse the view propagated by some of your opponents regarding the alleged race of the police officer you assaulted at the National Front pageant. Now contrast my truthfulness about this with the lie you put on the W4 website yesterday to the effect that someone using my IP address leaves messages on your blog."all to impress you, so you tell us"I've never said anything of the sort, Phil. You see, yet another lie - and you wonder why people question your honesty.

Robin Taylor ● 5884d

Quite easy really Robin, I found the page that I linked to through Google, which gave no outward indication that it was attached to a right-wing site, and didn't "Click here".  Clumsy, but entirely innocent.  I note you omit to mention the other two sites that I linked to at the same time, both of them belonging to left-leaning anti-racist groups. But why let that get in the way of a good opportunity to misrepresent somebody?  Especially when none but the already converted are listening any more.It must be a terrible strain being you Robin.  There you are having to explain to an ever more disinterested world how I go to such extraordinary lengths to sell myself as something I'm not (all to impress you, so you tell us) only to then undo it all by deliberately posting a link to a fascist website.Logic was never your strong point, was it?

Phil Andrews ● 5885d

"And you forgot to say "black police officer" Tony, which I thought was obligatory for you guys?  Seems you're not Robin Taylor's love child after all."Tony,Desite Phil's comment (above) it may interest you to know that I have never stated that Phil assaulted a black police officer (and, what's more, he knows it).The stuff about living in a "seedy Southall bedsit" is presumably a reference to me, and it suggests that he has no idea of my location or of my living circumstances. This must be very frustrating for him.Btw., if you would like to know how much Phil has really changed since his NF days, take a look at this link which he posted on the forum in 2006 as part of his attack on the anti fascist group "Searchlight":-http://www.searchlight.org.uk/o-hara/index.htmlWhen you get into it, just click on the top right hand corner (where it says "Click here") and you'll see what I mean. It's all pretty disgusting stuff, but if you click again on the top right corner (where it says "stop the BMP") you get a particularly nasty anti-Jewish cartoon featuring Searchlight's Gerry Gable. The rest of the website is full of the usual filth, including the allegation that Ann Frank's diary was a fraud and that the Holocaust never happened.In the interests of balance, I am compelled to tell you that when Phil was challenged about this link (over a year later) he claimed to have posted it by accident. Personally, I don't understand how anyone can "accidentally" post a link to a far right website. After all, you don't "accidentally" post a link in the way that you might "accidentally" knock over a mug of coffee, ffs.

Robin Taylor ● 5885d

Dawn, do you have access to the internet in an institution for the insane or have you been let loose on the public?A few facts;-1) Thames Water - who run Mogden - was a nationalised public utility privatised by Mrs Thatcher2) British Airways was a publicly owned company privatised by Mrs Thatcher3) BAA was publicly owned but privatised by Mrs ThatcherElectricity companies, British Gas, British Telecoms, London Buses and many others used to be publicly owned before being sold off by Mrs Thatcher and her Tory colleagues.How long have you been out of circulation?

John Connelly ● 5885d

Phil,It certainly is and many thanks for pointing me in the right direction,  my sister used to live at No 8.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

Phil,It certainly is and many thanks for pointing me in the right direction,  my sister used to live at No 8.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

Steve, Many thanks

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

Thanks for your kind words Dawn.For the record Tony isn't on the council, indeed few of the people who fight the NuLab cause on this forum are members of the council nor even residents of this borough.Many of them are New Labour members from other boroughs and some of those from other boroughs are not party members.  It's all rather complex, but I'm sure there is a method in their madness.Btw, my mother was brought up in Cherry Crescent.  Small world, eh?

Phil Andrews ● 5885d

DawnThis may helphttp://democraticservices.hounslow.gov.uk/mgMemberIndex.aspx

Steve Taylor ● 5885d

Phil,I quite understand what you are saying however having just joined this forum I have to become used to who's who and act accordingly, I like to keep an open mind having said that, I can hand on heart have nothing but praise for the last 4 years, we have never had such clean streets there has been no increase in our Council tax, believe me on our pensions that means a great deal to us. Of course no one person can do the right thing at the right time all of the time, I do allow for error, you can catch me once but you do not get a second chance many thanks, I shall have to look up who's who on the council I will then be more alert.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

Tony,I so agree with you, life was so much simpler then and happier.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

I know what I want for my community and my country fair play for all, I remember Ann Keen when she lived in Cherry Crescent not in a 500000 pound exclusive flat in Convent Garden. also when she had to worry about day to day bill's not worry about how to spend the next thousand pounds that she had fraudulently recieved from the likes of you and me, I know who I will be voting for and that is not a bunch of corrupt politicians with only an eye to the main chance.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

DawnI entirely agree with you that communities should work together and that elected members should take an interest outside of elections and work constructively with them to help make our neighbourhoods a nicer place.There is not, however, much point in trying to impress this notion upon Tony as his affinities clearly lie with a political tendency which these days regards members of the community with disdain and which comprises people who are altogether too superior, enlightened and progressive to need to have to mix it with the rest of us.The peculiar thing about it all is that in spite of being dominated by mere unbelievers said community has in recent years assumed power for itself, kicked its erstwhile masters unceremoniously out of office and consigned them to a place where they are confined to having to whinge and whine on internet forums about alleged dodgy deals and ask questions which those they consider their lessers could not be arsed to respond to.If one hadn't witnessed their antics at the height of their power one could almost feel sorry for them.

Phil Andrews ● 5885d

That's fine Dawn and I can tell you that my background sounds exactly the same as yours(tho' we didn't have gas light :0))Unfortunately it isn't Brentford that has changed,but us.I think you'll find we are becoming jaded and bored,nothing is fresh as it was when we woz kids.I don't think it's the newcomers that are the problem,I think it's us,it's TVs,cars,fridges etc we don't talk to our neighbours,kids aren't allowed to congregate on the Green and learn social skills. I could go on and on but wont,firstly we have to look at ourselves thoroughly if we are perfect then we can blame others but until that time I'm afraid it's us.

Tony Wood ● 5885d

"Mr Taylor You are most creative with the facts - as ever.For the third time,  Andrew Dakers voted FOR the Mogden expansion along with Labour and Conservative Cllrs. You explained in another post that Cllr Dakers  subsequently (after the SDC meeting) changed his view. He voted in favour when requested to do so."Hello Cllr Todd  - welcome back! For the umpteenth time - Cllr Dakers abstained and the vote should have been taken as read. HOWEVER, Barbara Reid led the Tories across the floor by changing her mind when she thought the refusal may cost Hounslow Tories in fighting an appeal. (Watch the video its all there) Poor O'Reilly was so out of her depth in the Chair that she obviously didn't know what to do but she invited Thames Water to speak again and he confirmed that a 'Refusal or Deferral was not an option for the Council as he would appeal" then Reid called for another vote WITHOUT following procedures and allowing our Environmental Scientist a second chance to speak. This was clearly a cock-up of unspeakable magnitude. Yes, after the cock-up, Cllr Dakers did swing to the right but he is well aware now that it was wrong to do so and he is trying to rectify matters. The question remains: are your lot trying to do anything to correct this massive blunder? Are you going to join the Lib Dems at the gates of Mogden or are you going to remain in bed with Labour on this issue? Its a very simple question which you seem unable to understand or are unwilling to answer. If the latter, why will you not answer? What are you so afraid of?  "My occasional attendance at the Technology and Construction Court.I like you, sit in the seats reserved for the public, the Public Gallery.  Not on the Thames side, or anyones side, nor always in the same seat. I have no connection with Thames Utilities."I accept that like myself you probably have no connection with Thames other than paying them water rates and having your sewage processed but as you have obviously taken an interest in this case, and have attended court hearings, can you tell us; who do you want to win, and why?

Steve Taylor ● 5885d

Reading all of this I must agree that "Dawn" does seem to be a Tory plant.

Neil Chippendale ● 5885d

Hi Tony, Quite frankly after elections when do we ever see any councillors or MP's we the poor ignorant joe public are no longer needed at that moment in time. However we as a community should blend more and help one and other, we used to in the old days before the Tower blocks at Green Dragon Lane came about do you know they were built because the council in at the time were not prepared to spend 400 pounds per house yes a lot of money,to put inside toilets in the little houses consequently those awful eyesores came about, true Brentonians would not live in them (so and please except my apologies if I offend I do not mean to I am just speaking the truth) the council brought in outsiders that was the start of the detruction of Brentford, do you know when I was a child we had 4 Butchers Shop's in the High Street, we had David Greigs( I worked in there after school 10 bob a week a lot of money in those day's my mum certainly appreciated it,Perkins(tins of biscuits displayed outside I used to say(excuse me sir but do you have any broken biscuits and love him or her they would break some for me)we had 2 Pie and Eel shops 2 Chemists a Barbers(Martins) Nat West was where Goddards is now, my Uncle Bill used to own the Snooker Hall(Compulsory purchased) at the top of Katherine Wheel Road, we had 3 bakers a chandlery a soap works down Katherine Wheel Yard the Gas Works we kids used to have to go and get the coke every Saturday morning nobody had anything our mums used the barter system however everybody helped one an other no one had locked doors we had gaslamps and candles for bed,I could go on but I'll stop now, probably bored you silly. I forgot to say we were very poor but boy were we happy.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

A brick!  Any advance on a brick anyone?And you forgot to say "black police officer" Tony, which I thought was obligatory for you guys?  Seems you're not Robin Taylor's love child after all.  But I still bet you wear a rainbow coloured cardy and live in Southall, in a seedy bedsit with old press cuttings on the wall and bits of crusty orange peel all over the carpet.

Phil Andrews ● 5885d

"DawnYou are not required to answer to Tony.  He is the "non-political" poster who not very long ago doctored a quote I had previously made in an attempt to misrepresent my organisational dislike of New Labour as a political dislike of socialism.The he uses the term "party" to describe the ICG.He would have you believe he is politically non-aligned, but he knows all the spin and uses precisely the "right" words in the right places.  And now he talks to a female poster, somewhat creepily, of "finding out all I want about your history".  He sounds rather more like Robin Taylor's love child to me than an objective observer.He asks about the £250k set aside for community projects and whether any of it will go to areas not represented by ICG councillors.  Maybe he should ask New Labour whether they've actually lobbied for any?The last comment I heard them make on the subject was that assisting the Voluntary Sector and community projects was "a waste of money" so I wouldn't expect to be hearing from them anytime soon.  In fact I have a feeling they might just be too late anyway."TeeeHeeeHeee!!!!  This from someone who has served time (prison that is) for throwing a brick at a police officer...

Tony Wood ● 5885d

yo! Dawn    Please don't accuse me of prying into your background and then proceed to tell me...well... your background, it's not very intelligent and I'm not interested.    Today you have written more than I've ever seen from a new member,I don't want or feel inclined to go through all of your posts,but to go from .....  "Steve many thanks for the welcome,Perhaps we can **blend the community together to make arrogant Councillor's take note** if there is a problem that needs to be resolved within the community then they need to concentrate on that, after all they are voted in and employed by we the community to do the best for us not make political gain over one and other."To,at random  "Is this not also a typical Labour war cry."   Is not likely to "Bond the community together" is it,it's actually a tad divisive?  I do admire your optimism that councillors would come forward and explain the dodgy dealings of the 2nd instant,reluctantly I wait,probably in vain.

Tony Wood ● 5885d

DawnYou are not required to answer to Tony.  He is the "non-political" poster who not very long ago doctored a quote I had previously made in an attempt to misrepresent my organisational dislike of New Labour as a political dislike of socialism.The he uses the term "party" to describe the ICG.He would have you believe he is politically non-aligned, but he knows all the spin and uses precisely the "right" words in the right places.  And now he talks to a female poster, somewhat creepily, of "finding out all I want about your history".  He sounds rather more like Robin Taylor's love child to me than an objective observer.He asks about the £250k set aside for community projects and whether any of it will go to areas not represented by ICG councillors.  Maybe he should ask New Labour whether they've actually lobbied for any?The last comment I heard them make on the subject was that assisting the Voluntary Sector and community projects was "a waste of money" so I wouldn't expect to be hearing from them anytime soon.  In fact I have a feeling they might just be too late anyway.

Phil Andrews ● 5885d

Tony,You have no right to look into anyones background let alone mine, when you question my integrity without knowing me you are an ignorant ass,I also went to Secondary School there were no handouts for me I was sent out to work age 15 I was lucky my Headmistress got me a job at Ranton's in the office I went and paid to evening school to obtain my certificates in Auditing so you should not surmise about people or make innuendos, Just ask, however now that you have asked about the 250000 Pounds you can criticise the Council and I am sure that you will get a response as to the expenditure of said money.,

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

Steve,I really have no knowledge of the Council, however I am pretty sure that they will stand beside we the community, I am not suggesting that they pay all of the cost's perhaps we can get Legal Aid I really don't know but!!! we the community can have Dances competitions anything to raise funds surely we have Community Halls I do know that we have just had ours refurbished any money gained will be put into the fund. If we do it together it can be done.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

I really cannot see that runway being built anytime soon a piece half the size of Brentford Football Pitch was bought and to get it back will take many many years. Plus we have to do our utmost ourselves the government cannot just destroy peoples lives and homes, we beat them on Atomic Weapons CND Marches by millions of people, if we all get together we can achieve anything. Even Boris is dead set against it.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

Then protest marches should have taken place we as a people under Labour's Tyranny had lost the will to fight, however I think that we are all thoroughly disgusted with them and we no longer have any respect or trust in them, you see they became so full of there own idioms that they forget we will only be pushed so far then we will start to push back that time is now.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

Is this not the same group that a part of London Transport was sold to by Labour, a quick reminder we as a nation have exactly 16 Billion in our Portfolio which dear "gordy' is doing his damndest to sell off before he looses the General Election then he will scarper back to Bonnie Scotland hoping to become Prime Minister there.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

But then is that not a requirement of the Labour Party

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

Steve,Ann Keen probably refused to attend because there was no monetary gain in it for her.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

Steve many thanks for the welcome,Perhaps we can blend the community together to make arrogant Councillor's take note, if there is a problem that needs to be resolved within the community then they need to concentrate on that, after all they are voted in and employed by we the community to do the best for us not make political gain over one and other.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

Well!Well! surprise!surprise how they holler when an election is just around the corner where was the indignation last year.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

I'm not a Councillor!! I don't have the qualifications.I don't have a magazine,the Front page I referred to is the Front page of this forum,accessed by hitting the BrentfordTW8.com button at the top of the page.  I'm not sure what you are referring to regards my "insidious threats" absolutely none were intended perhaps you can elucidate?  I have *absolutely* no friends on the Hounslow Council.    Feel free to take me to court over anything you wish,though I'd urge you to reconsider your certainty that you would win.  I have not asked either the Conservative or the ICG what they are going to spend the £250,000 on that is remiss of me,a state of affairs we'll rectify now.   Conservative and ICG and Labour Councillors,on what basis did this happen,are there any pre planned projects if so what are they? Apart from those few errors,everything else was correct.

Tony Wood ● 5885d

"we can always apply to the EU for representation and fairness.."Yes Dawn - and who is going to pay to take it to the European Court?  This Tory Council?

Steve Taylor ● 5885d

"DawnJust to correct you, Labour have not supported the residents over this either."Yes indeed - Labour used a sharp butchers knife to stab residents through the heart and we knew it was coming. The Tories used a jagged edge and stabbed in the back while we weren't looking and are now turning the knife - as they will do with Heathrow

Steve Taylor ● 5885d

"one question why? has it taken 5 years to get to court."Because High Court Judges are busy and Thames Water tried everything they could to delay the process.

Steve Taylor ● 5885d

"I must say that this is very disappointing news, Conservatives should have stood by both Labour and Lib Dem on something so important, after all this dreadful stink has been going on for many many years and conclusion with the community winning is a must. By the way who owns British Water?"Well that sums up the Tories doesn't it. They will NEVER admit that they were wrong. Thats why they are losers. I have no idea who owns British Water but Thames Water is owned by an Australian Investment Bank called Macquarie Group

Steve Taylor ● 5885d

" Sue Sampson on the other hand seemed lost for words when asked why Keen refused to partake "I expect that's because Robin had not briefed her sufficiently and she could not rely on a cut and paste response when questioned

Paul Fisher ● 5885d

"Well, I would if they stood as independant candidates vote for Matt Harmer"Yep - Matt seems a decent hardworking sort. At least he had the grace to look embarrassed on C4 News when trying to defend Ann Keen's refusal to be interviewed. Sue Sampson on the other hand seemed lost for words when asked why Keen refused to partake

Steve Taylor ● 5885d

"I really don't know any of you but obviously you are councillor's who have an opinion to put forward exactly as I have"Hi Dawn - welcome to TW8. I am not a Councillor but I am a victim of Tory arrogance and stupidity coupled with Labour's political superiority in debate and manipulation and refusal to engage with the community it purports to serve

Steve Taylor ● 5885d

Topic: Re:Facts      Forum Home  Posted by: Tony Wood Date/Time: 22/03/10 08:53:00 (Extract) John You say that I said in September 09 ....that  you had cut £17+ million from the wages bill at Hounslow. Now I've searched and searched and can't track it down...what am I doing wrong? AnswerThe salary savings is in the region of £14m.It's difficult to establish the exact figure I'm advised given pay increases etc.The savings from the PIP as reported to Borough Council on 2 March 2010 is £48.6 m over three years. I can't 'cut and paste' the chart I have as this site distorts the columnsIf you email me I'll be delighted to send it to you. Mr TaylorYou are most creative with the facts - as ever.For the third time,  Andrew Dakers voted FOR the Mogden expansion along with Labour and Conservative Cllrs. You explained in another post that Cllr Dakers  subsequently (after the SDC meeting) changed his view. He voted in favour when requested to do so.My occasional attendance at the Technology and Construction Court.I like you, sit in the seats reserved for the public, the Public Gallery.  Not on the Thames side, or anyones side, nor always in the same seat. I have no connection with Thames Utilities. 

John Todd ● 5885d

Now why? does that not surprise me typical Labour spin purely draconian "you do as I say not as I do"

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

That is why our demorcracy is so great the fact that we do have a choice.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

I do not attend Council Meetings neither do I read your magazine, did you perhaps give the ICG the opportunity to tell you what they wanted the 250K for and whom would benefit. And you my dear be very careful about your insiduous threats I am not one of your council friends I will take you to court and I will win however devious you appertain to be.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

I don't know why? didn't they. It would seem that this arguement goes back to Labour times as well, would it be because an election is thundering our way that this mud is being bought up. Don't forget if the community loose this one, we can always apply to the EU for representation and fairness..

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

DawnJust to correct you, Labour have not supported the residents over this either.

Phil Andrews ● 5885d

If you can give me the Poll Tax Riot dates I will research it and get back to you and yes I do so very much remember those poor miners being left out in the cold whilst Scargill had lovely warm holidays with his Russian friends.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

It would seem that I have intruded on a political arguement, one question why? has it taken 5 years to get to court.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

I must say that this is very disappointing news, Conservatives should have stood by both Labour and Lib Dem on something so important, after all this dreadful stink has been going on for many many years and conclusion with the community winning is a must. By the way who owns British Water?

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

Well actualy Phil you to would make my short list. I just think that we need to get away from party politics and havepeople who think for the people and not for themselves.

Robert Ayres ● 5885d

I'm afraid Matt is one of the faithful.  As for Sarah, I'm sure she'll speak for herself...

Phil Andrews ● 5885d

Well, I would if they stood as independant candidates vote for Matt Harmer & Sarah Falstead.

Robert Ayres ● 5885d

Is this not also a typical Labour war cry.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

Do you know this a typical Labour ploy, if they are presented with something that they do not understand or something they do not agree with rather than answer they detract with innuendos.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

Will all of you listen very carefully, I debate what I feel is necassary for my community I will not be manipulated by any party my politics are my business no one else's, I will therefore not be used for political expediency. I really don't know any of you but obviously you are councillor's who have an opinion to put forward exactly as I have. I still live in a Democracy despite Labour's efforts to destroy it. Freedom of Speech is at the moment still allowed.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

"I can think of one or two who contribute to this site, who in my humble oppinon would seem from their posts to fit the bill."I'm all for that Robert. Who are the one or two?

Steve Taylor ● 5885d

Where is this thread going ? First its runways, then its sewage,the miners strike,poll tax riots and money laundering. The simple fact is. Its our fault we are the mugs who vote these parasites in. So if we want real changewe should look in our local communities for decent independant candidates to stand. I can think of one or two who contribute to this site, who in my humble oppinon would seem from their posts to fit the bill.

Robert Ayres ● 5885d

Right,thankyou,I found out all I wanted about your history,rather devious but it never fails!" I only ever speak the truth and if the Tories or ICG were in the wrong I would argue the point as voraciously. Incidentally I am self taught."  Great, well now is your big chance argue a point voraciously with just the two parties you mentioned. Tell us all if you think they were very naughty at the recent (2/3/10)Council meeting.The story is covered on the Forum front page,it's actually on the second part of the front page!  So...the story is that the Tories were desperate to get their budget passed at the meeting...it's seems the ICG refused to give it the nod unless £250,000 was given to "Community Projects",the Tories capitulated and coughed up....afaik no specific projects were considered. What I'd like to see, is that money used for community projects in area's of the borough that are not served by ICG councillors. Your views?

Tony Wood ● 5885d

Oh - and another point for Honest John Todd in answer to his:"Advice given was that this matter could not be deferred pending the resolution of the civil case."Even if the advice was misunderstood by the bungling Tories; even if the legal advice we obtained that it could be deferred, was ignored by the arrogance of the Tories in their determination to stab residents in the back and negate the 10 year battle of residents in trying to imperove the environment of Richmond and Hounslow, why did the Todd brigade not use the legal escape clause we handed to them on a plate when we pointed out that as Thames had not signed the agreement and S106 by the deadline of 11 August, it was time-barred and could thus be refused outright?

Steve Taylor ● 5885d

PhilipThe manipulated footage you refer to was at the Miners' Strike in the 1980s.  Grunwicks was an altogether different dispute at a processing firm in 1977.

Phil Andrews ● 5885d

Dawn you don't remember the poll tax riots! Sorry I can't believe that and I don't believe that. How can anyone take you seriously if your memory is so bad you can't remember the most divided time for this nation  since the second world war.I believe the manipulation of the footage on the BBC was at the Grunwick? depute where the police attacked the miners on horse back and the miners got the blame.How long have you lived around here, if indeed you do!It seems to me you arrived recently: to take up your post with Mary perhaps.

Philip Walsh ● 5885d

Obviously your condescenion is due to lack of knowledge of me, my family have lived in Brentford for nearly 500 years and yes I am proud to say that I am an ex-Council Tenant who along with my husband through sheer hard work and tenacity also dear old Maggie were able to buy our house in 1986. I only ever speak the truth and if the Tories or ICG were in the wrong I would argue the point as voraciously. Incidentally I am self taught.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

I think maybe you exaggerate just a little, I do not remember ever rioting in the streets yes I do remember the Miner's Strike and the hardship that they had I also remember that whilst that strike was on Scargill still collected his enormous salary and still went on holiday to the Black Sea 3 times whilst the strike was on.You mention Lord Ashcroft and yet you do not mention the fact that UNITE have contributed 11 Million Pounds to the Labour Party whilst having his own desk at No.10 and a Secutiry Pass into Westminster now Why? would that be, also you haven't mentioned the fact that the goverment have given 18 Million Pounds to the UNITE Learning fund, the best Laundry in town.

Dawn Hardy ● 5885d

"Cllr Dakers voted for the Mogden expansion ditto Labour and Conservative Councillors." Cllr Dakers abstained. I have already explained why Labour voted expansion. The Tories have no valid reason and refuse to explain their motives."Advice given was that this matter could not be deferred pending the resolution of the civil case."Nonsence - Their were valid reasons but Benita Edwards said Thames may appeal and it may cost LBH money. Our advice was that it should and could be deferred. The Tories screwed up. End of  "Nether I nor Mary Mcleod are members of the SDC."If Mary has no influence over the Tory Party in improving the environment for the local community, what is the point of her?"I have attended the Technology and Contruction Court but didnt need a photographer to record my visit."You have indeed. Who were you supporting? Thames or Residents? Noted that you sat on the defendants side of the Court rather than support residents. Noted also that you weren't there when Ofwat gave their all important evidence!!!!"I note that Andrew had his picture taken outside the wrong Court building."No he didn't - possibly you didn't look too carefully at the Court entrance in your haste to seat yourself behind Thames

Steve Taylor ● 5885d

Tony Wood ● 5885d

Cllr Dakers voted for the Mogden expansion ditto Labour and Conservative Councillors. Advice given was that this matter could not be deferred pending the resolution of the civil case.Nether I nor Mary Mcleod are members of the SDC.I have attended the Technology and Contruction Court but didnt need a photographer to record my visit.I note that Andrew had his picture taken outside the wrong Court building.

John Todd ● 5885d

"would appear to be Thames Water's responsibility so let's all get together and take them to court for not fulfilling there contract." Dawn you are too late. WE DID all get together and WE ARE taking them to Court. That's the whole point. The High Court trial started on 24 February and is due to end on 28 May. Its a highly complicated, lengthy  and technical case. I am surprised you haven't read the massive publicity in the local press, the national press and indeed on this Forum.Andrew Dakers was in Court last week to support his constituents. Where was Mary? The point I make over and over is that ,knowing full well that over 60,000 documents were being presented to Court for this complex trial (and yes, an OFWAT director was also  cross-examined last week),  Honest Tory John Todd and Mary Mcleod could and should  have deferred the decision to agree expansion until ALL evidence was set before the Judge and in the public domain so that Council officers and Councillors could make their decisions based on FACT and not hearsay.The money that Thames pocketed by not covering all the storm tanks was with the full permission of Hounslow's Tory Council. Whilst there is little doubt that Thames are the bad guys - the Tories supported them totally. Now Honest John Todd refuses to 'capitulate' and admit his error and try to rectify matters 'morally' by joining Vince Cable and Andrew Dakers by putting pressure on Thames.  This stance is pure cowardice and lack of moral integrity.  What those clowns did is unforgivable and our  8000 victims  will be made aware of the facts as they s

Steve Taylor ● 5885d

Welcome back to John Todd. Yesterday he refused to answer important questions regarding his gross error of judgement in supporting Thames Water's expansion of Mogden  because he claimed to be entering quote  "a period of purdah shortly pre the May election date so a lack of any response does not indicate pitulation."I guess the period of 'purdah' has revealed that all is lost so its best to get on the blogs again and spout all the usual crap and rhetoric maintaining the old stance of 'you can trust the Tories on Heathrow' when everyone already knows you can't trust the Tories on anything any more.

Steve Taylor ● 5885d

John you are mistaking me for someone who votes,I don't you are all corrupt!But while I have your attention can I remind you that sometime back in September 09 you claimed that you had cut £17+ million from the wages bill at Hounslow. Now I've searched and searched and can't track it down...what am I doing wrong?

Tony Wood ● 5886d

TonyI've never met or spoken to Dawn.My original post still standsA vote for labour will allow Heathrow to have another runway. No ambiguity whatsover.Conservative party will not permit.You havent mentioned dear old 'expenses-hot bed' non dom Lord Paul or former Govt minister Byers and Co tarting their contacts for cash of course.Lobbying reaches a new low

John Todd ● 5886d

Yes Phillip completely right,pretty sure "Dawn" is  a Tory plant.It's not usual for someone to join a forum and promulgate soooo many missives in 3 days,all with the feel of 30 Mill Bank about them,perhaps it's something to do with  Honest John Todd

Tony Wood ● 5886d

Yes Phillip completely right,pretty sure "Dawn" is  a Tory plant.It's not usual for someone to join a forum and promulgate soooo many missives in 3 days,all with the feel of 30 Mill Bank about them,perhaps it's something to do with  Honest John Todd

Tony Wood ● 5886d

Sorry Dawn but I'm not convinced your not one of Mary's employees pretending to be a independently minded local, You do read like another David.I remember the lies, deception, scandal and sleaze that was the last two conservative governments, Thatchers and Majors.The millions unemployed, the people rioting in the streets, the manipulation of the media, including the BBC footage of clashes with miners, run with the sequences reversed.As for the current Tories. Backed by a man who avoids paying taxes in this country whist making the laws for the rest of us to live by. Now sitting in the lords and buying pet politicians to further his interest. These are the people you are going to vote for.  If you think we are in a mess now wait to see what that wombat 'I've never had a proper job out of the party machine' Camaron and his thieving mob of muppets do to the nation . Yes I do think it will be worse than new labour, of who I am not a supporter but vote, Tory not while I still breath and think!!!

Philip Walsh ● 5886d

I am more than inclined to agree with you all and every Member of Parliament should have been made to pay back every penny that they stole from we the tax payer, however we have to have a government me personally I have absolutely no faith in Labour, however much they decry the Tories it wasn't all bad under them and yes I do remember when the base rate ran at 17% however our base rate today is running at 0.05% our gold reserves ARE NON EXISTANT Gordon Brown sold them off to buy EURO now why would he do that???We have a deficit of 800 Billion Pounds and it rises daily we no longer have any assets therefore we are being continually taxed VAT will be the next 20% at least and yet "Gordy" keeps giving our money away, he gave 15 Million to Vietnam for Toilet's now if you have ever been there apart from the Cities they have no sewerage so obviously the politicians have pocketed it he then gave 120 Million to the Amazon Forest to replant trees that Conglomerates had chopeed down for a 5000 Mile road and to plant Soya they threw the Indians off of there land so instead of Gordon Brown along with other world leaders telling the business people to replant he donated money that we can ill afford, 10 days back he gave 65 Million to Somalia Afghanistan and Iraq, so do you see why we are bankrupt the man just keep's throwing it all away. I'm voting Conservative I think that they will have learnt from Labour's dismal failure.

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

Steve,Many thanks for the explicit info, if 42 Million was paid over to Thames Water and they did not fulfill there contract then they should be taken to court obviously Mogden stinks to high heaven when the wind blows in the heat and yes it should be made good it would appear to be Thames Water's responsibility so let's all get together and take them to court for not fulfilling there contract.I'm certainly up for it. I should think that the whole community would contribute whatever they could afford after all the stink is unbearable sometimes.

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

Steve,Many thanks for the explicit info, if 42 Million was paid over to Thames Water and they did not fulfill there contract then they should be taken to court obviously Mogden stinks to high heaven when the wind blows in the heat and yes it should be made good it would appear to be Thames Water's responsibility so let's all get together and take them to court for not fulfilling there contract.I'm certainly up for it. I should think that the whole community would contribute whatever they could afford after all the stink is unbearable sometimes.

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

You can all argue all you like,but the facts speak for themselves. Labour,Tories.Liberals none are fit to run this country. Have you already forgotten how our MPs from the Prime Minister down were found to be stealing money through fiddling their expenses. Sure many said oh dear I made a mistake and paid it back. But can you trust them no you cant. Only today we see evidence of ex-ministers offering to sell their services to big business like common prostitutes. So as soon as they get the inconvenience of an election out of the way they will get their snouts back in the trough and  we will have a third runway.

Robert Ayres ● 5886d

DawnHere it is in a nutshellSome years ago residents of Richmond and Hounslow together with Vince Cable, Ann Keen and Lord Whitty met with the MD and other directors of Thames Water to tell them that Mogden stinks. (The Tories weren't too bothered so they didn't turn up for the meeting)That's a shame said Thames Water.What are you going to do about it?  asked our delegationWe can't do anything, said Thames,  because we made millions of profit but we want to keep it and pay huge dividends to our shareholders because Maggie Thatcher told us we could make bundles of money when we privatised. That's not very neighbourly said our delegation.Don't tell us - tell our regulator, said ThamesOk, we said - we will. How much money do you need?£70million  said Thames' MD gleefully rubbing his hands together whilst giving a nod and a wink to fellow directors.Ok - we will ask Ofwat for the £70million  for you we said.Hello Ofwat - can you give £70million of ratepayers money to Thames Water please?Not really said Ofwat - because we have repeatedly told Thames that odour is a matter for them to sort out themselves.Oh - please, please,please  - we begged. They won't spend their money because dear Mrs Thatcher said they could keep it all because Greed is Good.Ok, said Ofwat  - we understand, and because Labour now rules, and Thatcher got it all wrong, we  will give them £12million of your money to spend on Mogden.Hi Thames Water - we got £12 million for you, we said.Oh dear, our three directors of our holding Company expect to earn £26 million in bonuses so £12 million isn't really enough. Can you ask for more?Hi - Ofwat - its us again. Thames want more.OK - said Ofwat. We just checked our A-Z and we note Mogden is right in the middle of two heavily populated Boroughs, so we will tell Thames they can have £42million of your money but they must tell us what they are going to do with it.Have you got that Thames?  we asked.  No problem, said Thames, we have another site which is actually nowhere near any houses but we will do the same there which will include covering those 8 very smelly storm tanks which are the size of football pitches. Fantastic, we said - how long will it take?  Oh about 4 years. ...................two years later. Hi Hounslow Council, this is Thames Water. Is it Ok if we don't cover all the tanks because we think if we only cover 2 tanks, it will be just as good as covering  8 and we can save ourselves £12million.  Oh, said Hounslow, OK - no problem.................One year laterHi Hounslow, this is Thames. Listen mate, we are gonna get fined by the EU 'cos we are dumping too much shite in the River so we need to expand Mogden to double its size because we are using all 8 storm tanks regularly and they are still stinking and overflowing into the River so millions of fish are dying.Oh dear, said Hounslow. Yes, you'd better get on with it then. Put in an application and we will recommend to our new Tory Administration to approve it. Great, because if we can treat more sewage we'll make much more profit. Do you think Cllrs will be cheesed off that we didn't cover all the storm tanks though?  Nah - said Hounslow. The Labour guys were quite sharp but these new guys are a walkover. None of them actually even know where Mogden is. Leave it with us. Residents to Hounslow.  Err excuse us but if you are going to recommend approval, can you get Thames to now spend that £12million and cover the remaining tanks.  Oh no, said Hounslow, Thames will never do that because they would have to get another £20million from Ofwat.  £20million?? we asked, We thought it was £1.2million per tank.  Err, we don't know, said Hounslow. Must be inflation.  Ok, we said - can you ask Ofwat if Thames need to get their approval to do a job which they promised  you, the Council, they would do 5 years ago?.  No,  said Hounslow, we can't really talk to Ofwat directly but we can assure you, we promise, cross our hearts, hope to die if we tell a lie,  we asked Thames twice and they assured us that they were prohibited from spending a penny unless Ofwat approved it. OK, we said - have you asked if they have applied to Ofwat to approve the spend. Um...well no, we mean yes, we mean, oh dear we think....we mean.... oh this is too complicated...you residents are really getting out of hand and we are short staffed after the Tories made so many of us redundant so we are not going to take this further but we will ask the SDC to make a decision.  Oh... OK.  Dear SDC,  we have a problem with this expansion and the £12million that wasn't spent 5 years ago..... Can you find out what happened to it and if possibly.............Oh shut up you pesky residents, we are the Tory Party....now foook right off and let us get on with  airbrushing our Dave. We have an election coming you know and voters' concerns are the least of our worries. Next you will be asking us what was agreed about BAA's expansion of Heathrow and asking us to not approve that either. How can you expect us to remember what we said 10 years ago. We are politicians not people with ethics.  

Steve Taylor ● 5886d

Steve, Would you please explain what the problem is and why it has occured as I have already said I do not know what you are talking about, I cannot be expected to give a constructive critism if I don't undertsand the problem.Just from your little post I would assume a lot of money if that is the case like any company the council have to have an Audit once every fiscal year all receipts and invoices plus any other paperwork appertaing to expenditure has to be on hand for audit purposes, when the audit is finished if there are any irregularities then an investigation should take place and if decided the police will be called in,

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

A completely free market is an idealized form of a market economy where buyers and sells are allowed to transact freely (i.e. buy/sell/trade) based on a mutual agreement on price without state intervention in the form of taxes, subsidies or regulation. I don't think the Tories would allow this to the letter however I myself believe that the EURO has done a lot to bring about economic mayhem it was much better when each country had there own currency now there is no such thing as monetary competition. What you see is what you get importing and exporting to the continent.

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

Will you explain to me exactly what Labour have acheived since coming to power in '97,all it would seem to me is that they bankrupted us whilst making themselves rich, you have Tony Blair who when he first came to power had assets of a 670,000 Pound house in Notting Hill he left 10 Downing Street with property assets to the value of 12 Million pounds now on a salary of 200 thousand pounds per year do you not think that is questionable? he left to become the West's Middle East Envoy in '07 look below and see how he has behaved, vote Labour NEVER they cannot be trusted. The advisory Committee on Business Appointments is supposed to ease Public Concerns about former Public Servants using their contacts for Private Gain.Tony Blair waged an extraordinary battle to keep secret a lucrative deal made with a multinational oil giant which has extensive interests in Iraq.The former prime minister tried to keep the public in the dark over his dealings with South Korean oil firm UI Energy Corporation. UI Energy is one of the biggest investors in Iraqs oil rich Kurdistan region.Mr. Blair-who has made at least 20 Million Pounds since leaving Downing Street in June 2007-also went to great efforts to keep hidden a one million pound deal advising the ruling royal family in Iraq's neighbour Kuwait.In an unprecedented move, he persuaded the committee which vets the jobs of former ministers to keep details of both deals from the public for 20 months, claiming it was commercially sensitive. The deals emerged yesterday when the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments finally lost patience with Mr. Blair and decided to ignore his objections and publish the details. News of the secret deals fuelled fresh accusations that Mr. Blair is 'cashing in on his contacts' from the controversial Iraq war in what one MP called 'revolving door politics at its worst'They will increase concerns that Mr. Blair is using his role as the West's Middle East Envoy for personal gain.The full extent of his income is cloaked in secrecy because he has constructed a complex web of companies and partnerships which let him avoid publishing full accounts detailing all the money from his commercial ventures. Will he be paying the appropriate income tax. Tony Blair should not be allowed to use his tenure as our Prime Minister for monetary gain. Now Tony Blair along with Mandy Mandleson are going on the Campaign Trail for the upcoming general election, it cost we the taxpayer 273.000 pounds for Tony Blair to attend the Chilcott enquiry taking up the time of 657 Police Officer Shifts and 28 Police officer staff shifts were worked during the operation how much will it cost us if he does go on the Election Campaign can we afford it and why? should we.Also why??? do we the taxpayer have to fund the 2 million pounds for a Police Protection Team whilst he is doing lucrative business deals for himself, his protection team is larger than Gordon Brown's or is this New Labours policy of how to waste the taxpayers money whilst pleading poverty and telling us that we the tax payer have to pull our belts in to help the economy.

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

" however if there was a shortfall of 12 Million then obviously we the taxpayer must be given an answer as to what has occured with it"Yep - and John Todd is the man who should tell us, because we told the Tories and the SDC about it before they voted. In fact we told Mary McLeod about it

Steve Taylor ● 5886d

I really don't know anything of this, however if there was a shortfall of 12 Million then obviously we the taxpayer must be given an answer as to what has occured with it,however the amount of time that our road and street was up in all probability overtime?

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

Wow..it's really uncanny,could be the man himself,same old,same old. Everything Right is right,everything Left is wrong,none of the consensus you espouse.

Tony Wood ● 5886d

Hi DawnDo the Conservatives believe in the "free market". Your posts seemd to infer that they don't and have become a protectionist party.

Neil Chippendale ● 5886d

And the question to Mr Todd which still remains unanswered is: Why did he allow and agree to an S106 after we, the water rates payers, gave his friends at Thames Water £42 million to do the job and they only spent  £30 million of it by not covering the tanks and why he and his Tory cronies were quite happy to allow them to do that? Can he explain what happened to the £12 million?

Steve Taylor ● 5886d

No! but I do have a son called David, perhaps he emulates me.

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

Hey "Dawn" have you ever been a man called David,you read just like him?

Tony Wood ● 5886d

Unforunately that will be a wasted vote. we need Labour out.

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

Trains were privatised by John Major in 1996

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

I must admit to be very surprised at this? British Waterways. November 2009Gordon Brown announced last week that British Waterways' property portfolio is under consideration for inclusion in a massive sell off of Government assets.The move which is intended to raise £16 billion by 2014 to help bring down the national debt, has led to concerns about Brentford's waterways' future.Obviously "gordy" needs the money but to whom and from what country is he selling to.I really did not think he had left us any assets.

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

I have looked on the Internet and will give it to you piece by piece. Tony Blair as you know came into power in 1997:- The Bus Transport  Division Buyer New livery Subsequent fateCentrewest management [39]sold to First in 1997East London Stagecoach [40]sold to Macquarie Bank in 2006Leaside Cowie Group [41]rebranded into Arriva in 1997 (now Arriva London North)London Central Go-Ahead [42]no changeLondon General management [43]sold to Go-Ahead in 1996London Northern MTL [44]sold to Metroline in 1998London United management [45]sold to Transdev in 1997Metroline mebo [46]sold to ComfortDelGro in 2000 (retains Metroline name)Selkent Stagecoach [47]sold to Macquarie Bank in 2006South London Cowie Group [48]rebranded into Arriva in 1997 (now Arriva London South)Westlink employees no change sold to West Midlands Travel in 1994, then London United in 1995So yes as you can see the tories did sell some however count how many others that have been sold by Labour.

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

"Nobody will be able to with a piece of the proposed runway having been bought already by Greenpeace and co."So the answer for Hounslow is??  Vote Lib Dems or Greens?

Steve Taylor ● 5886d

Nobody will be able to with a piece of the proposed runway having been bought already by Greenpeace and co.

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

Who was it that allowed British Waterways and ISIS to buy up Commerce Road for a proprosed 6 High Rise Eyesores with an additional 965 parking spaces plus they were going to build a road to come out of Field Lane,they proposed that the High Ground be closed and traffic to go up the Ealing Road upto Gilletts Corner to enable Brentford people to get back to there homes. I started my first job at Rantons 50 years ago and yet it has been closed for approx 25 years maybe longer and yet no refurbishment or new business has been allowed to develope because of the Building planned by British Waterways and ISIS when you consider that Labour were in Council for 26 years they did absolutely nothing to give other business's a chance to develope. I can remember when everybody in Brentford and Isleworth had a job not anymore, the Great West Road used to be called the Golden Mile as far as I am concerned Labour has destroyed my community with impunity.

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

Both you and I have not had an increase in our Council Tax for 4 years under the coalition council, we would have been paying at least 40% extra under the crooked Labourites.

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

"we cannot have a ruling govrnment for whom we have no respect or trust."Thats exactly what the Tories have proved to us re the Thames Water (Macquarie Investment Bank) expansion. The Tories have shown us quite aggressively that they cannot be trusted. They will u-turn on Heathrow as fast as you can blink. It took them 32 minutes to u-turn on Thames Water's expansion as soon as the word 'money' was mentioned and that they would lose lucrative S106 receipts if the matter was referred to the Secretary of State as it should have been.

Steve Taylor ● 5886d

What we must all remember is that these politicians are employed by we the people to represent us in the best possible way, not the draconian way of New Labour we are now in the 21st Century not Victorian Britain. Under NL and their ridiculous laws we have become a frightened nation well they should remember that when we are pushed to the limit we do intend to push back and we will at the General Elecion. Enough is enough it is time for the Great to come back into Great Britain.

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

Er - who sold off British Telecom, our Gas industry, the Electricity industry, the trains, tracks, our Water suppliers, the bus services and Christ knows what else? - Short memories some people have, it was Thatcher. Now you don't have to wonder why we have to pay through the nose for our most useful and basic services.

Vanessa Smith ● 5886d

I like the "even" bit Tony.  But you'll be pleased to hear that the prospects of there being an ICG government remain slim.

Phil Andrews ● 5886d

"Then we must ensure that Labour do not get in, they are dishonest in there dealings with we the people, we cannot have a ruling government for whom we have no respect or trust."Eh what? Are you not old enough to have lived under a Conservative government?? They're all the same,completely untrustworthy,even the ICG are at it.

Tony Wood ● 5886d

who can we trust over runway 3

Philip Walsh ● 5886d

Then we must ensure that Labour do not get in, they are dishonest in there dealings with we the people, we cannot have a ruling govrnment for whom we have no respect or trust.

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

Not only have they sold all our assets, in the case of Kraft the RBS Bank 85% tax payer owned lent them the money. So in essence the British taxpayer gets to pay for jobs in Poland while our own people are thrown on the dole, and oh yes an American company who could not raise the money in the states to complete the take-over told Mandy and rest of his mates Cadbury jobs will be safe with us. Given the forgoing does anyone seriously think we are not getting a third runway

Robert Ayres ● 5886d

None of our business's should have been sold off to Foreign Business's since Labour have been in power because they have not bothered to halt the selling off of our assets we are now in this ridiculous situation of having not one asset left, this is partially one of the reason's that we as a country are bankrupt,are they overly comcerned no of course not they will just raise our taxes, after all petrol is to go up to one pound twenty five pence a litre! a litre not a gallon, you can try to shift the blame onto the Tories and I do deplore Michael Howard for even attending this meeting however the government must take a greater part of the blame. Cadbury for instance that was up for grabs for 11 Billion pounds Kraft had to borrow 10 Billion to complete the sale with the knowledge that they would close plants in the UK and move them to Poland because it would be more profitable, our government should have taken a stand and yes I do know that they could not have stopped the sale however Mandy Mandleson went along to Kraft Executive meeting for his box of choclates he had ample oppurtunity to ask what there plans were and voice an objection not when it became public knowledge to act indiginant about it and say that they did not mention it to him after all Mandy is Business Secretary it is his job to be aware of everything appertaining to future business, to look after our job's.Getting back to Runway 3-Susan Kramer Lib Deb persuaded the entire Lib Dem Frontbench along with Emma Thompson, Alistar McGowan and Greenpeace to buy a piece of land half the size of a Football Field bang smack in the middle of the proposed site so Runway 3 is an awful long way away if ever.

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

None of our business's should have been sold off to Foreign Business's since Labour have been in power because they have not bothered to halt the selling off of our assets we are now in this ridiculous situation of having not one asset left, this is partially one of the reason's that we as a country are bankrupt,are they overly comcerned no of course not they will just raise our taxes, after all petrol is to go up to one pound twenty five pence a litre! a litre not a gallon, you can try to shift the blame onto the Tories and I do deplore Michael Howard for even attending this meeting however the government must take a greater part of the blame. Cadbury for instance that was up for grabs for 11 Billion pounds Kraft had to borrow 10 Billion to complete the sale with the knowledge that they would close plants in the UK and move them to Poland because it would be more profitable, our government should have taken a stand and yes I do know that they could not have stopped the sale however Mandy Mandleson went along to Kraft Executive meeting for his box of choclates he had ample oppurtunity to ask what there plans were and voice an objection not when it became public knowledge to act indiginant about it and say that they did not mention it to him after all Mandy is Business Secretary it is his job to be aware of everything appertaining to future business, to look after our job's.Getting back to Runway 3-Susan Kramer Lib Deb persuaded the entire Lib Dem Frontbench along with Emma Thompson, Alistar McGowan and Greenpeace to buy a piece of land half the size of a Football Field bang smack in the middle of the proposed site so Runway 3 is an awful long way away if ever.

Dawn Hardy ● 5886d

If anyone really thinks that the third Runway won't be given the go ahead if Cameron's shower are elected, then they may like to take note of what has happened in Kent, featured in 'Private Eye' this week.Lydd Airport is used only by small planes but its owner a Saudi Arms dealer wants to turn it into a low cost holiday base. The estimated number of passengers being 5000,000 per year. Objections to these plans came from British Energy as the airport is near Dungeness power station, the M.O.D. who have live firing ranges at Hythe and Lydd close by, which have flight exclusion zones limiting landing approaches. Natural England are also up in arms as this is an area of special scientific interest and an area around Romney Marsh and Rye Bay is desginated an area of outstanding natural beauty. Even the Council's own planning officers have recommended this is dumped because of the adverse effects on wildlife and excessive noise. Enter the local Tory Councillors who have voted the plans through, and local MP Michael(something of the night about him )Howard who even popped up at the planning meeting to speak in favour. But then he is a big chum of the airport chiefs.Sorry but what chance would poor old Sipson and surrounding areas have in the third runway argument, if this is an example of the Tories committment to their own 2007 'Quality of Life' commission?

Vanessa Smith ● 5886d

A vote for Ann Keen and her husband Alan means that whoever agrees to them fraudulently taking expenses that they were not allowed to to the tune of 140,000 Pounds and then only having to pay 1500 pounds back because the Labourites manipulated the rules governing main residences last month.

Dawn Hardy ● 5887d

still silence!!

Steve Taylor ● 5888d

So....still silence from the lambs!

Steve Taylor ● 5889d

Well I don't know whether to be grateful of contemptuous of the fact that John Todd seems unable to attempt to defend the deplorable action of his Tory Party in approving the expansion of Mogden. In any event his silence speaks volumes.Although his party has done untold damage to Hounslow, Isleworth, Twickenham, St Margarets, Whitton and Richmond,  Mr Todd may still like to show some remorse for this gross error of judgement by joining Vince Cable MP at the gates of Mogden in Thursday 1st April when he (Vince) continues to demonstrate his concern about the way his constituents have been treated by Thames Water and Hounslow Council as he continues to put pressure on Thames to cover the remaining storm tanks; something the Tories could, and should, have demanded within the fateful Section 106 agreement.  Continued silence on this matter will indeed be indicative of the Tories contempt for the victims and residents of  35,000 dwellings in Hounslow and Richmond, no doubt to be repeated with the Heathrow expansion saga.

Steve Taylor ● 5890d

If it is, then we can all take off and land on it !!!

David Giles ● 5891d

Tony,I fear your sarcasm may be too subtle for David Giles.

Robin Taylor ● 5892d

Thanks for pointing that out,I shall vote Conservative this year.

Tony Wood ● 5892d

David Cameron certainly cares what Hounslow's councillors think. He  also cares what Mary Macleod thinks as our prospective MP. The Conservative Party locally and nationally is against Runway 3.The Labour Party is in favour of Runway 3.It's a clear choice.

David Giles ● 5892d

"Why do you solely pick on the Tory Councillors?"  I don't pick solely on the Tory Councillors but John Todd may like to explain why the Tory Councillors were not prepared to wait for the High Court ruling on the allegations of mismanagement and why they weren't prepared to wait until all evidence on the allegation that the last expansion failed, is made public. At the same time Mr Todd may like to explain why, after three Abatement Notices were issued this year,  the Tory Council has secretly agreed with Thames Water to not enforce the Abatement Notices until all evidence produced in the High Court during the residents' litigation, is made known. In a nutshell - the Tories showed contempt for the litigation case when it suited them to push through the expansion, and equally think its ok to show contempt for residents by using the residents' litigation case as an excuse to delay any legal action on the Abatements.  One rule for them, and one rule for us.  Backstabbing cowards! 

Steve Taylor ● 5893d

Just saw this quote of the day on the BBC web site - it's quite appropriate methinks;"No diet will remove all the fat from your body because the brain is entirely fat. Without a brain, you might look good, but all you could do is run for public office." GEORGE BERNARD SHAW

Ian Silver ● 5893d

Oh  dear, John Todd is digging himself deeper again "You don't accept published facts and get very angry and insult  anyone who has the audacity to challenge anything you say." Ere -what published FACTS don't I accept? "Why do you solely pick on the Tory Councillors?"  Err - I don't.  I have been equally vocal about Labour. However, Labour didn't back-stab residents. There was little doubt that they would vote expansion simply to get back at the ICG. Its called politics. They were wrong and they know it. The Tories on the other hand voted no and as soon as Benita Edwards mentioned the magic words "costs of an  appeal may have to be borne by the Council", they couldn't move fast enough to support Labour and perform the well documented cowardly u-turn. Have a look at Cllr Reid's face of the SDC video when 'money' was mentioned and you can see the shock horror and confusion.    "Lazy copy or political biase?" Lazy copy - yep,  because its quite tiresome trying to get the same old valid points across those trying to defend the indefensible. Political bias - nope "The Conservative Policy on Heathrow expansion  is quite clear."Yep and their policy on Mogden was quite clear too - but they u-turned"No Third runway (Remember?)" No Mogden expansion (Remember?) - if you can't remember, watch the March SDC when the Tories all said NO (initially).  Our 8,000 odd members will be reminded of this on election day. "Vote Keen Labour Vote for Runway 3"Vote 'any'  Tory vote for Runway 3

Steve Taylor ● 5893d

Mr Taylor Nonsense and nonsense - yet again!You don't accept published facts and get very angry and insult  anyone who has the audacity to challenge anything you say.Why do you solely pick on the Tory Councillors? Lazy copy or political biase?The Conservative Policy on Heathrow expansion  is quite clear. No Third runway (Remember?)Vote Keen Labour Vote for Runway 3.

John Todd ● 5893d

Well I suppose I should be encouraged that the Tories aren't persisting in trying to defend the indefensible on the Mogden expansion but on the other hand their silence will be taken as an admission of guilt of gross error of judgement and incompetence. Errors of judgement may be forgiven; incompetence should result in removal or suspention from office; cowardly u-turns for purely political reasons will be taken into consideration at the polling stations. The Tories will perform such a u-turn on Heathrow!

Steve Taylor ● 5894d

"Steve- Yes  what nonsense again.1, Cllrs Dakers did vote, when he was present and had the opportunity at SDC in March for the Mogden planning expansion. see the SDC minutes."John  - this is now getting extremely embarrassing for you. You are so out of your depth (as are your Tory colleagues), its beneath contempt. The March SDC was superseded by the June meeting. The March SDC was misled by officers and an incompetent chair failed to recognise this.  Cllr Dakers very quickly realised this when events unfolded after the meeting. Complaints about the Chair's handling of the situation were lodged.The final decision was voted in June when ALL SDC members Cllrs were given the opportunity to study the facts. Unfortunately the Tory lot didn't even bother to visit the site. However you persistence in attempting to worm your way out of this mess will no doubt give all a very good idea of what to expect when your Leaders u-turn on Heathrow too.Interesting that you say "we all make errors sometimes".  I assume that will be your stance when your party u-turn on anything else  in the future?  You seem to be adopting the stance taken by Alan Keen.  "I don't tell lies. Well, .....I do sometimes but they are just little white lies""2, Adam Beamish on CW4 pointed out your factually related errors in a post on that site."I have the greatest of respect for Adam Beamish as a planning officer and I have already responded to him that there were no factually related errors in my post. I have also explained, as I am sure even you can understand, that I cannot at this stage elaborate in light of the current litigation case.

Steve Taylor ● 5900d

Steve- Yes  what nonsense again.1, Cllrs Dakers did vote, when he was present and had the opportunity at SDC in March for the Mogden planning expansion. see the SDC minutes.   2, Adam Beamish on CW4 pointed out your factually related errors in a post on that site.We all make errors sometimes. I dont lie.

John Todd ● 5900d

"Steve what nonsense-yet  again.You're apparently backing  'yes butts no' Cllr Dakers who voted for Mogden too." I just realised I forgot to respond to John Todd's misinformation about Andrew DakersHere's the final vote taken from the SDC minutes of June. Either Tory Chair signed off the minutes falsely or John Todd is lying but I certainly don't see that Cllr Dakers voted in favour of expansion. Members voted on the officer’s recommendation, as follows:For - Councillors Barwood, Bath, Cadbury, B.Fisher, D.Grewal, Hearn, Hills, Hughes,Hutchison, Jabbal, Mann and O’Reilly.Against - Councillor HardyAbstain - None.

Steve Taylor ● 5900d

"Does he really think Cameron will give a rats A*=" what a couple of  Councillors in old Hounslow think?"Does anybody really think Cameron will give a rats a*se about what anybody thinks!?

Stephanie Kitsune ● 5901d

It's an easy one really - everyone says no thank you.No number 3!!And then it'll happen...we're wasting our breath (or keyboards).Democracy ??? Bo**ocks !!

Ian Silver ● 5901d

John Todd says"John (Connelly)  With respect, what nonsense."  Then he says "Steve what nonsense-yet  again."I think this sums up the arrogance of Todd and his party. Everyone talks nonsense except him? And how on earth would he know that his bosses won't approve Heathrow expansion if they get in.Does he really think Cameron will give a rats A*=" what a couple of  Councillors in old Hounslow think? 

Steve Taylor ● 5901d

Steve what nonsense-yet  again.You're apparently backing  'yes butts no' Cllr Dakers who voted for Mogden too."Conservative policy is quite clear. No  Heathrow expansion!" John - as with the Tories on the SDC, you are totally out of your depth on this. I actually met with Mary Mcleod before the Mogden expansion approval and I came away from the meeting with the good feeling that there would be no Mogden expansion....but alas, as said the Tories couldn't be trusted on that and they won't be trusted on Heathrow. The corporate city has the Tories in the bag. And if you want to see the shambolic way the SDC was chaired by 'I haven't got a clue what I am doing Tory O'Reilly' have a look at the March SDC webcast. Its quite painfull but it shows clear evidence of the Tories all voting NO and an hour later after hearing from Thames Director that he would take the matter to the Mayor of London and then to the Sec of State, they suddenly got all confused & jittery and suddenly voted YES. Quite pathetic and beneath contempt!

Steve Taylor ● 5901d

They will build it even with the overwhelming opposition from local residents and the wider electorate - so much for this so called democracy we live in (under).Sad to see such blatant abuse of power from all the partys.Shame shame shame.

Ian Silver ● 5901d

I could trust the politicians in Balamory. However, in Westminster the landscape is controlled by the dodgy group of "Labour-Tory".John Todd, surely you are too intellegent to be taken in by the current Party line?

John Connelly ● 5901d

Hi Stella,Thanks for that. I was having one of my moments after trying to deal with Hounslow Council's Planning Enforcement office. They email you to tell youthat they will reply in 10 working days; then, when you hear nothing and telephone them they say "try calling back in 4 weeks" !!!Absolutely useless.

Ian Silver ● 5901d

You are in a feisty mood today!  Good point well made.

Stella Hawkins ● 5901d

Steve what nonsense-yet  again. You're apparently backing  'yes butts no' Cllr Dakers who voted for Mogden too.Conservative policy is quite clear. No  Heathrow expansion!

John Todd ● 5901d

Who gives a rat's arse?Aren't we wide awake yet?

Ian Silver ● 5902d

"...........but can we trust the Tories not to do a U - turn ??"No you can't - they will do a u-turn because they are weak and wet.

Steve Taylor ● 5902d

No. You can't trust a career politician; they all seem to be creepy little liars.It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government gets in !!

Ian Silver ● 5902d

I have voted Labour all my life !. Because of the 3rd runway, I won't be this year...........but can we trust the Tories not to do a U - turn ??

Saul Whitmore ● 5902d

I still live in the hope that the City moguls may wake up and see the way the world is going. Do they really want to invest in "stranded assets" ? In companies that will go bust because they pour money into the wrong infrastructure that won't produce a return ?I did like this quote from ex Chief Scientist, Sir DavidKing :Professor Sir David King:For me the most important thing, as we move into a decarbonisedeconomy, is to avoid making investments in infrastructure and in longterm projects which are high in carbon of necessity. For example,whether or not British Airports Authority were to invest in a newrunway or a new airport would come into that category because I wouldhave imagined a future scenario in which fast rail overtakes the shorthaul flights across Europe. That scenario is likely to mean that yourinvestment in an expensive new airport system may not yield the returnthat you were hoping for. I am talking, as we move forward, aboutlowering the cost to our economy by avoiding stranded assets, byavoiding major infrastructure investments which are likely to have tobe shut down because they are so heavily based on carbon....... What I am talking about is for Britain to avoid companies likeGM going bust, in other words if our major companies go bankruptbecause they have been investing in the wrong sort of infrastructure -I am referring to the infrastructure required to build Humvees doingseven or eight miles per gallon - then we are going to find that it isan expensive transition. I think it would behove government to seethat all the right regulatory behaviour is put in place to avoidinvesting in the wrong infrastructure.http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmenvaud/u...

Tim Henderson ● 5902d

"The Conservative party are totally against the airports expansion as are most Labour Councillors in LBH too. Full cross party support.Its a pity that Cllr Cadbury and Co can't persuade her Govt. colleagues to see sense."The point is that the Conservative Party simply cannot be trusted. They say one thing today and another tomorrow. We saw this clearly with the Mogden expansion. They all voted unanimously at the March SDC against expansion.  Within an hour - after a cowardly u-turn by Tory Lead Member Barbara Reid - they 'changed their minds'  and rushed across the floor to back Cllr Cadbury after apparently bowing to her superior knowledge on the issue. Its a pity Cllr Reid was too weak and unable to stand up to Cllr Cadbury and encourage her party to do the right thing instead of voting with the Tory purse in mind. Expansion of Heathrow will go ahead under the Tories. They will bow to the pressure of  City bosses and have NO interest in the local environment.  Good heavens, they are so weak in Hounslow they didn't even get their budget through as they wanted it and you think they will stand up to the influence of City moguls?

Steve Taylor ● 5902d

John With respect, what nonsense. The Conservative party are totally against the airports expansion as are most Labour Councillors in LBH too. Full cross party support.Its a pity that Cllr Cadbury and Co can't persuade her Govt. colleagues to see sense.

John Todd ● 5902d

Sad to say, I agree. Regardless of the election result Big Business Rules - OK?

John Connelly ● 5905d

It does not matter who wins. Money talks and a third runway is what we are getting.

Robert Ayres ● 5906d

Agreed 100%

Simon Anderson ● 5906d

I think its pretty conclusive from contributors on TW8 and W4 that Mrs Keen is extremely unpopular and will not get many votes from those on the east of the Borough.However, many of those on the west of the Borough  don't even know about these forum sites and possibly don't buy English or local newspapers and won't have a clue about the expenses fuss and will vote according to what they are advised on the day. I was speaking to one such person last week and I asked him what he thought about the Mogden expansion which Sam Hearn voted in favour of and he said  "yes its very bad because the noise of the planes landing is not good. Now I get less sleep because of Mogden expansion means even more planes will land, yes?" !!!!It seems to me from recent press reports that Brown will scrape through and be our elected PM for  another while. What happens in BC&I is anyone's guess. The Tories had a golden opportunity to win votes on the Mogden expansion issue but they blew it big time IMHO and punters were made aware that Tories just can't be trusted. The 1300 litigants and 8000 residents will know  the truth about what both Labour and the Tories have done to them

Steve Taylor ● 5906d

Couldn't agree more.  A party that abandons its own manifesto forfeits its mandate to govern.  In this instance, Parliament should be immediately dissolved.

Stella Hawkins ● 5906d

Kath - actually , they should be , as it badly damages democracy if a party does not follow through its manifesto.

Ian Speed ● 5906d

If only political promises were legally binding...

Kath Richardson ● 5906d

Not sure what the AGW scam is?For once I find myself agreeing with Harley Both Labour and Conservative are going to force through runway three whether we like it or not. Both of their candidates are talking crap to us in order to obtain our votes, they are both lying and the nearest we can expect either of them to get to representing the anti vote is for them to abstain.

Philip Walsh ● 5906d

"I can't believe I once voted Labour on an occasion when Robin didn't ..." Believe it - it sums up Robin perfectly. He is so out of touch that he is 5 years behind everyone else in understanding current issues. Forgive him though as he doesn't get out much you know.

Steve Taylor ● 5907d

"Andrew Dakers is the only major candidate to be wholly trustable in opposition to the third runway"  Agreed 100%

Steve Taylor ● 5907d

Although people still may not trust the commitment, Theresa Villiers is still banging away making it :http://blog.conservatives.com/index.php/2010/02/25/there-will-be-no-third-runway-at-heathrow-under-the-conservatives/There will be no third runway at Heathrow under the ConservativesTheresa Villiers MP, Thursday, February 25th, 2010 .In February of last year, Labour gave the go ahead for a third runway at Heathrow and committed despite mounting opposition.On Tuesday, a group of seven London councils, three environmental groups, two local groups and the Mayor of London challenged this decision in the High Court.Labour’s support for a third runway leaves them increasingly isolated. They ignored key advisers-like the Environment Agency. They reverse engineered figures to get the answers ministers wanted. They pressed ahead despite a chorus of local and national opposition. It was only a matter of time before a serious legal challenge was made on Labour’s flawed decision to support a third runway at Heathrow.Let me be clear about our position: we would scrap Labour’s plans for a third runway at Heathrow. There should be no room for doubt: a Conservative Government will mean no third runway. We will ensure the right decisions are made to make Heathrow a better-not bigger-airport which is why connectivity with Heathrow is a crucial part of our plans for a high speed rail line. Before we made the decision to block a third runway at Heathrow, we examined the evidence-and the Government’s case simply did not stack up.After careful consideration of the environmental, social and economic impacts of a third runway, we concluded that the costs of the expansion Labour propose significantly outweigh the supposed benefits. We now have the support of a broad coalition of businesses, community groups, environmentalists, local authorities and mass membership organisations such as the National Trust backing our stance.It is clear that the 222,000 extra flights at Heathrow which would come with a third runway would blight the lives of hundreds of thousands of people with increased levels of congestion, aircraft noise and pollution, damaging the health and quality of life of local communities and significantly undermining our efforts to meet our national targets on climate change.According to the Times, a judge is expected to reach a decision by the end of next week. While the outcome of the case is uncertain, one thing remains clear: a Conservative Government will ensure that the third runway does not go ahead.

Tim Henderson ● 5907d

I can't believe I once voted Labour on an occasion when Robin didn't ...

Ian Speed ● 5907d

"There is a joint quote from Alan and Ann Keen saying that "because mixed mode is barred, there will be no increase in noise or pollution for Hounslow people.""Well, in the context of the fact that Ann successfully lobbied for the retention of runway alternation, that statement is true.It's true for some people, though if Heathrow is allowed to expand, the existing runways will have a greater proportion of large aircraft that at present, so the noise might get worse.  But it's certainly not true for her constituents living under the 3rd runway approach path.Thank you for mentioning the "first ever concession against Heathrow".  It reminded me that this was actually the Cranford Agreement made by the Conservative Government in 1952, which the present Government says it's going to end.  The result will be, to quote from the BAA website, that "around 3,300 people living in and around Cranford will experience higher levels of noise than they are used to".  Yet another increase in noise that Ann Keen conveniently forgot about.

Richard Jennings ● 5907d

"There is a joint quote from Alan and Ann Keen saying that "because mixed mode is barred, there will be no increase in noise or pollution for Hounslow people.""Well, in the context of the fact that Ann successfully lobbied for the retention of runway alternation, that statement is true."The "successful campaign" claim was on her previous website from 2004 to 2007... there was never any basis for that claim, and it was quietly dropped after the government made the decision in favour of the runway."Well of course it was dropped: she made the claim for as long as it was true, and when it ceased being true she dropped it. Incidentally, it is noticeable that you make no reference to the fact that Ann was commended by the government minister responsible for aviation for her successful lobbying skills when she secured the first ever concession against Heathrow - by getting a cap on night flights until at least 2012."Because people don't take a lot of notice of your scaremongering "doubts".  Conservative policy on the matter is quite clear."  I see, so because I quote the remarks of senior Tory politicians who support the building of a 3rd runway, that means I am guilty of "scaremongering" does it?"I say that as someone who has voted Liberal or Lib Dem more often than any other party, so please don't dismiss my views as those of a typical die-hard Tory."I voted for the SDP/Liberal Alliance in both the 1983 and 1987 general elections, so please don't dismiss my views as those of a typical die-hard Labourite.

Robin Taylor ● 5907d

Trying to prevent Heathrow expanding is like Canute trying to order the Tide not to come in... and a lot of you are gonna get your feet wet.

Harley Buckner ● 5908d

"Andrew Dakers is the only major candidate to be wholly trustable in opposition to the third runway."I'm inclined to agree.

Stephanie Kitsune ● 5908d

The "no increase in noise" claim is on her website athttp://www.annkeenmp.co.uk/ann_wins_concession_on_heathrow_mixed_mode .  I'm surprised you're not aware of that.  There is a joint quote from Alan and Ann Keen saying that "because mixed mode is barred, there will be no increase in noise or pollution for Hounslow people."  It's clear from the context that 'Hounslow' means the whole borough.  I wrote to her to point out that this was not true, and gave her a link to my map, but all I got was a standard response which just repeated the lie.The "successful campaign" claim was on her previous website from 2004 to 2007.  The text from that site is archived at http://tinyurl.com/yj549w7  There was never any basis for that claim, and it was quietly dropped after the government made the decision in favour of the runway."You might also like to explain how people can have confidence in the Conservatives scrapping proposals for the 3rd runway, given the doubts I specified earlier."Because people don't take a lot of notice of your scaremongering "doubts".  Conservative policy on the matter is quite clear.  OK, you'll always find a few who oppose the party line, as Martin Salter and John McDonnell did on your side.  At the end of the day it's the government policy that is likely to prevail."Why on earth should anti-3rd runway Lib Dems [vote tactically for Mary Macleod] when the Conservatives clearly cannot be trusted on this issue?"Because the Lib Dems don't have a realistic prospect of winning the seat, and even if they did would have limited influence on the government decision.  I say that as someone who has voted Liberal or Lib Dem more often than any other party, so please don't dismiss my views as those of a typical die-hard Tory.

Richard Jennings ● 5908d

" The Tories are instinctively a pro-business party, not a pro-environment party." Sounds pretty much like New Labour to me!"Nobody in their right mind could possibly trust them to keep to their promise on the 3rd runway issue."Nobody in their right mind can trust New Labour either. Remember the manifesto promise of a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Pot - Kettle - Black???The bottom line is that New Labour and the Conservatives are pretty indistinguishable. Unfortunately, the Lib Dems are too pro-EU and too much taken in by the AGW scam, which leaves many ex-labour voters like me effectively disenfranchised.

Mick Brent ● 5908d

Andrew Dakers is the only major candidate to be wholly trustable in opposition to the third runway.

Ian Speed ● 5908d

In answer to Richard Jennings:-"Why does Ann Keen still claim that Runway 3 won't lead to an increase in noise for her constituents"Where has she said this? Can you provide a source, please?"Why did Ann Keen list her opposition to Runway 3 as one of her successful campaigns?"Where did she list this? Again, a source would be useful please.You might also like to explain how people can have confidence in the Conservatives scrapping proposals for the 3rd runway, given the doubts I specified earlier. You recently posted comments on the Chiswick forum which I interpreted as an argument for Lib Dems to cast a tactical vote for Mary Macleod in order to defeat Ann Keen. Why on earth should anti-3rd runway Lib Dems do such a thing when the Conservatives clearly cannot be trusted on this issue?The Tories can - and probably will - reverse their policy on the 3rd runway within a few months of coming to power, but the voters will have to five whole years before having the opportunity to punish them.

Robin Taylor ● 5908d

Some questions for Robin Taylor:-Why does Ann Keen still claim that Runway 3 won't lead to an increase in noise for her constituents, when it's patently obvious that it would cause more noise in north Brentford and central Chiswick?  (See map at http://rj2.fotopic.net/p26769965.html  )Why isn't Ann Keen seeking a change to the Government's decision on Runway 3?  (She says that the argument moves from politics to legal and planning issues.  Our votes can change that.)Why did Ann Keen list her opposition to Runway 3 as one of her successful campaigns?

Richard Jennings ● 5908d

I think big money will win this one.

Vanessa Smith ● 5908d

I wouldn't trust either of them over this issue.

Philip Walsh ● 5908d

People do not trust the Conservatives to keep to their commitment to scrap the 3rd runway.In 2008, when Radio 4's "Any Questions" programme was broadcast from Cranford Community College, Shadow Tory Minister David Willetts was shouted down when he attacked the opponents of the 3rd runway. He said no responsible party would back the opposition to Heathrow's growth. David Willetts has since been invited to the B&I constituency by Mary Macleod.Some questions for Cllr Todd:-Why does Tory-controlled Spelthorne Council support the third runway?Why did Mary Macleod say she would not resign if she was part of a Tory Government that changed its policy and pressed ahead with a 3rd runway?Why does Tory front-bencher Geoffrey Clifton-Brown say he expects expansion to be 'revisted' after the election, hinting at a post-election Conservative policy shift on the issue?Why does Tory MP David Wilshire say "to oppose the 3rd runway is the wrong thing to do"?Why did Tory MP Ian Taylor say he hopes for a Government decision in favour of a 3rd runway "as soon as possible"?Why does Tory blogger Iain Dale say "Many of the Tory rank and file think their party's opposition to Heathrow expansion is absolute lunacy"?Why does Friends of the Earth claim the Tory commitment on this issue is not sincere?Why is there reportedly so much unhappiness on the Tory backbenches about their party's alleged no-3rd runway policy?Why does BA Chief Executive Willie Walsh vote Tory, and why did he say on Question Time that he expected the Conservatives to reverse their position if they got into power?Why did the Tory 'Economic Competitiveness' report argue for 'operational changes' to increase capacity at Heathrow (i.e. the ending of runway alternation)?Why did a recent survey of Tory Parliamentary candidates find that the environment was low down their list of priorities?I have asked the Tories many of these questions before, with no reply forthcoming. I doubt I'll get an answer this time.The Tories are instinctively a pro-business party, not a pro-environment party. Nobody in their right mind could possibly trust them to keep to their promise on the 3rd runway issue.

Robin Taylor ● 5908d