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Neil,There is quite a big difference between perceptions of Ann Keen in the hot house of the NeighbourNet forums (where readers have been drip-fed an anti-Keen diet for years) and the real world out there on the door knocker in the street.It's worth mentioning that in most constituencies, the average elector would be hard pressed to even remember the name of their MP: the overwhelming factor in terms of the way a person casts his or her vote is, therefore, the party label.You mention Ann Keen's "disregard for locals" and that her office seemed to pick and choose which items of casework were dealt with, but I think there may well have been an east/west geographical split to this: just anecdotally, I was struck by the extent to which people who said they had gone to her with immigration casework nearly always seemed to be satisfied with her reponse (whereas for other types of casework, people's satifaction levels were much more mixed).It does genuinely seem to me that she had a personal vote among the substantial Asian population in the west of the constituency (and it's worth also bearing in mind that she spent a good deal of her time camped out in the Hounslow end of the constituency during the campaign). However, that "incumbency" factor -- which was probably a net positive factor for her in the west of the constituency -- may well have been a net negative factor in the east of the constituency (where the expenses issue seemed to be more salient).One final thing, Neil: her refusal to vote against the third runway actually won her votes among some individuals in Hounslow (where a lot of people are employed at the airport) even though it may have lost her votes elsewhere.

Robin Taylor ● 5551d

"Found the the Hammersmith info very interesting. It proves that a good local candidate can win against the odds."Yes, I found Tim Henderson's post about the Hammersmith campaign interesting too. But it makes clear that Labour's success there was not just about their candidate - there were many other factors: for example, in B&I Ann Keen did not have the advantage of competing with a Tory candidate who lived outside the constituency and who was involved with a charity that had expenses issues.There is also the factor that in Hammersmith the Tory candidate was black - and please don't try and tell me that that makes no difference.Add to this the fact that Hammersmith has always been a Labour costituency, whereas Brentford & Isleworth was (prior to 1997) a nominally Tory seat which often voted Conservative even in those general elections that saw Labour winning power nationally.Neil, you say that AK lost because of the expenses scandel(sic) but you don't explain why the thirty Tory candidates who stood across the constituency in the local elections polled a bigger aggregate vote than the thirty Labour candidates. This suggests to me that the Tories would more than likely have defeated Labour in the parliamentary election regardless of which candidates had been fielded.Another thing, Neil: you do not explain why, if Ann Keen was so unpopular, Andrew Dakers was not able to capitalise on this by doing better than he did. He increased the Lib Dem share-of-vote by less than 1% (exactly mirroring his party's performance nationally). By contrast, the Labour percentage share-of-vote in B&I fell slightly less than it did nationally.One final thing, Neil: Ann Keen's chances of holding off Mary Macleod's challenge were probably not helped by Andrew Dakers putting out leaflets in Hounslow Central to the effect that "Only the Lib Dems can stop Ashcroft's candidate from Scotland". Quite a misleading statement, given the end result.

Robin Taylor ● 5552d

I thought there was a lot of truth in this analysis of what happened in Hammersmith and some useful comparisons with what happened in B&I :http://www.progressives.org.uk/articles/article.asp?a=5925Contrary to most media predictions, Labour's Andy Slaughter secured a 3,500 majority to defeat Shaun Bailey in Hammersmith in the general election.Bailey, a Tory A-lister and darling of the media, had at least £500,000 financial support from a series of wealthy backers but failed to win the hearts and minds of Hammersmith voters.So why and how did Andy Slaughter defy the national swing to the Conservatives? I would highlight three factors: a strong local candidate, an effective, long-running campaign and various electoral issues.Firstly, the candidate makes a real difference. Andy Slaughter has a great track record of serving the people of Hammersmith for more than 25 years; he grew up in and lives in the constituency and is well known locally; and he is seen as principled with strong values. Three examples: he resigned as a PPS over the Government's plans for a third runway at Heathrow, an issue which gained a lot of local support; he was untainted by the expenses scandal; he stands up for people on local issues not least their homes, whether it's council tenants whose homes are threatened with demolition or homeowners whose communities are threatened by planning free-for-all. Andy is widely recognised across the constituency as someone who is on the side of local people. During the campaign he was constantly stopped in the streets by people whom he had helped, both as an MP since 2005 and previously as leader of the council.Secondly, elections are a marathon and not a sprint. Defeat by the Conservatives in Hammersmith & Fulham (H&F) in the 2006 council elections was a real wake-up call. This was reinforced by the Tories holding an open selection for Shaun Bailey in early 2007. The Labour campaign started almost four years before the 2010 general election, with targeted canvassing every weekend, particularly in key Labour wards. Highly visible knocking on doors was the priority. If Andy was to win, we had to mobilise Labour support and especially in parts of the constituency where we had not campaigned actively. We had one of the highest contact rates across the country, both in the long campaign and the short campaign. We were helped by the fact that the new Conservative council in H&F was making savage cuts to local services as well as planning to demolish council estates. Constant highlighting of these issues by the Labour group on the council and by Andy over a period of more than three years meant that the voters understood what was at stake. This all involved lots of hard work by activists over a long period who were augmented by an influx of volunteers, some who are not party members, in the last two months of the campaign.Thirdly, a number of factors all worked in Andy's favour. Not only did we make a lot of contacts with voters on the doorstep, but we got out the vote in the north of the constituency, with big increases in voter turnout in Labour wards. People alienated by the Iraq war in the 2005 general election returned to Labour. Hammersmith has relatively low support for the Liberal Democrats and an effective squeeze on these and other 'don't know' voters helped Labour. And finally there was a disconnect between Shaun Bailey, the media darling nationally, and Shaun Bailey, the Tory candidate who didn't live in the constituency and who was widely viewed as a fake construct with flakey views. Bailey's credibility rested on running a youth charity but the charity's expenses have raised big questions. Despite the continuing gentrification of Hammersmith, Bailey failed to capture Tory votes.Ultimately there is no substitute for a good candidate, leading a focused and hard-working campaign team. The campaign for the next general election has already started in Hammersmith.Stephen Burke Stephen Burke is campaigns officer, Hammersmith Labour Party.

Tim Henderson ● 5553d

"I am of no doubt that Ann was selected because she was the best."Of course Patricia is quite entitled to opine but I would have thought Ann was selected because the Group 'thought'  she was the best, or thought she may not be the best but had the 'best chance of winning', i.e. were convinced that  that others had no chance at all of winning the seat for Labour.  Whatever the reason, if Labour accept her defeat graciously it is an admission that the selectors  were wrong.  There is nothing wrong with such an admission because it will show the electorate that they understand the issues which concern the electorate and they can move forward. If they continue to defend the selection it only goes to show that they have learnt nothing and are out of touch with reality. So far I am greatly encouraged by the attitude of the new Leader of the Borough Council where he seems to be genuinely reflecting upon Labour's four years on the opposition benches and seems determined not to undo the good things the Conservative/ICG  implemented and not to go back to the mind set of  Labours' previous 30 years of control. Likewise if the Tories cannot accept and try to understand the electorates decision to oust them, they will sit in opposition for a long, long time.  They had an excellent chance of maintaining a coalition but they blew it big time. Their biggest problem was the smugness of Cllrs in the safe seats in the east and their lack of understanding, if not ignorance  of issues in the west of the Borough.  Mogden expansion is a good example of this. 

Steve Taylor ● 5554d

No Robin you are not odious because you disagree with me you are just plain odious and I suspect you are also, nasty, bitter and lonely.  In all the postings you make on Chiswick/Ealing and this forum I don't think you have too many friends so perhaps you should not go canvassing again as you are clearly more of a hindrance than a help to the party you purport to support particularly if you go around telling voters where to "put their vote".  Regarding racism, for all I know you are from some sort of ethnic minority and thereby have a huge chip on your shoulder and for all you know I am black, with mixed race children.  Why do you make such assumptions about people you do not know?  For anyone who does not know, the extent of my racism was to suggest that there were a large number of illegal Africans acting as traffic wardens and I defended another poster's right to choose not to send his child to a school where his child would (according to him) be the only white pupil.  I do not change or apologise for my stance in either case.  However, on the subject of racism, I have observed that actually some of the most "racist" people I have encountered have themselves been immigrants from the Asian community.  First there was the owner of the papershop in Albany Parade, with whom I had an interesting conversation some years ago when he very vociferous about the amount of immigrants in the area suggesting they should be stopped coming in because there were too many and they were ruining the country.  I found this quite amusing because he was most definitely not born in the UK himself.  Then, only yesterday at work, I received an email from a Pakistani client who had miscalculated the stamp duty payable on a property he was purchasing - quite what this had to do with immgrants I do not know but his email was railing about immigrants coming to these shores to receive benefits.  I still haven't made the connection however it seemed to make sense to him.  I imagine in your peculiar world it is acceptable for ethnic people to complain about immigrants but not for indigenous people to do the same.  I could be wrong, but wasn't it Ian Wright (if not him then another black footballer) who said "I can't be racist I'm black" when of course racism surely knows no colour boundaries.  It must surely be a pure perception that only whites can be racist when this is simply not the case.Try working for the HO in Hounslow where whites are subjected to the equivalent of the Asian Mafia inasmuch as you are positively descriminated against on the grounds that you may be English and white.  No doubt you will say that can't happen - however it can and it does!  If speaking out against that sort of behaviour makes you racist then you got me in one.If you were my labour candidate I would tell you where to stick yourself!

Bernadette Paul ● 5568d

"David Cameron acted decisively against Tory MP's who got into trouble regarding expenses claims. Gordon Brown did not."It's always refreshing when David Giles adds a bit of light relief to the forum.So David Cameron acted "decisively" against Tory MPs embroiled in the expenses scandal, did he?In that case, how come he has just made Dr Liam Fox his Defence Minister? ----------From Wikipedia: In March 2010 Fox appealed Sir Thomas Legg's decision that he had over claimed £22,476 in mortgage interest payments. Fox's appeal was rejected and the decision was upheld by Sir Paul Kennedy, a former high court judge. This reportedly made him the Conservative Shadow Cabinet member with the largest over-claim on expenses, and as a result, he has been forced to repay the most money. It was reported in June 2009 that Fox claimed expenses of more than £19,000 over the last four years for his mobile phone. In March 2010, Fox admitted breaking parliamentary rules on two occasions by visiting Sri Lanka on a trip paid for by the Sri Lankan government without declaring the trip in the Register of Members' Financial Interests in the required time. ----------Also, how come Chris "four homes" Grayling has been appointed a Minister? He claimed for the cost of one of his homes despite living within a 40-minute commute of parliament. Further more, he was ranked by the Telegraph as having a WORSE expenses record than the Keens.So once again, David, thanks for giving us all a good laugh.

Robin Taylor ● 5570d

With Respect Robin, Mr Waller is partly correct,at least from my experience here in Brentford.  I'm working from home today and have had two knocks at the door this morning from reporters. It has been rather common here since the squatters fiasco and also an episode with the lawyer of Abu Hamsa.Mr Waller seems to have gleaned more out of the reporter than I managed but it seems to relate to jobs as the reporter uttered" jobs for the boys" in her questioning. I'm not too sure what she wanted me to say! Maybe someone else on the forum or locally can throw a bit more light on it.I think she was from the Mirror, certainly wasn't the telegraph.What Mr Waller corellates seems to be exactly the same as stuff I'm hearing locally in the pub and from local neighbours. All very strange. Mr Taylor, I know you are a loyal supporter of Mrs Keen, ( although I can't quite understand that as a Southall resident you seem to know or be more interested in the affairs of Brentford or Hounslow.) But locally, this is very much a Labour district. (mainly chardonnay socialists) but still more likely to vote Labour.Many did not. Even with a high turnout. The problem was the expenses, u-turn on heathrow and the lack of communication.But had as was speculated, an independent Labour candidate stood, many who only voted Labour from pure loyalty would have voted and many who would not vote for AK would have done so. Including myself.How is it that you and the local party cannot see the problem? When so many others who would be solid Labour can?I admire your loyalty but as others have said the seat should have been easily retained and the local party could have done much to remedy the problem ages ago.

Michael Brandt ● 5570d

Bernadette,Let's take a look at Ruth's blog:"Well Ann Keen lost - but only by 2000 votes, and c 6000 votes to the libDems. We will get it back!"I must admit, I don't understand that. Ann Keen held her vote (despite unfavourable boundary changes) and Andrew Dakers' vote only went up by 2,000. However, if you look at the tweets in the red column on the right, Ruth clarifies what she means by saying "Ann lost B&I by 2,000 and 6,000 ahead of Dakers. So clearly a Tory/Labour fight but we will get it back."Her blog also says... "It felt good when doing the sampling last night, and the Labour vote in both elections in Brentford was very strong."This sounds to me like she's saying that on the basis of what she saw from individual ballot boxes at the counting of votes, Ann Keen topped the poll in Brentford Ward. If you consider the fact that the three Labour council candidates won Brentford Ward very easily - and that Ann's vote across the constituency mirrored almost exactly the aggregate Labour council vote across the consituency - it seems pretty clear that Ann topped the parliamentary vote in Brentford Ward.When I referred to "Claire's area" I was referring to Brentford Ward as a whole. True, I don't know what happened in Claire's own polling district - which is an owner occupier area where the squatters took over the Keens' house last summer - but I'd be interested to find out.Clearly, given the fact that Ann Keen polled 18,000 votes against Mary Macleod's 20,000, Ann must have won somewhere: Looking at the council results, Labour defeated the Tories easily in five of the ten wards (Hounslow Central, Hounslow Heath, Brentford, Isleworth and Syon) and it seems reasonably clear that these are the wards which Ann won. (True, we don't know how ICG voters in Isleworth & Syon cast their ballots in the general election, but I suspect they broke for Andrew Dakers rather than Mary Macleod). Ann would have been in second place in Osterley & Spring Grove and in Hounslow South, and probably in third place in the three Chiswick Wards.

Robin Taylor ● 5570d

Good grief Anthony, are you for real?"Daily Telegraph have been knocking at doors this morning"Really? I remember someone on this forum saying that newspapers had been knocking on doors in your area and had found there was 99.9% support for an "independent Labour candidate". Strange, then, that Ann ended up winning over one third of the vote in a 10-cornered contest - and that she actually topped the poll in Brentford Ward."details have been unearthed within the DoH which indicate some improper 'favours' being done between Labour party members in Brentford, Southall, Richmond and a health minister. So is it Robin?"Blimey, you're a joker. What 'favours' were these? Free sticking plasters? It's news to me. But then, your claim that lots of notes had been put through the door of Ann Keen's Brentford home was news to her."Aside, did Mrs Keen cost Labour the seat? Of course."Oh, so you're an expert in psephology then?"Does not matter what the stats are, Labour won both Ealing and Hounslow."Yes, but Labour did not win the Brentford & Isleworth part of Hounslow. Doesn't the fact that the Tories won the Ealing Central & Acton constituency - yet lost control of Ealing Council - tell you something (or is it too complicated for you?). "Other Labour parliamentary seats were retained and this should have been an easy hold."Oh ffs, it required a 4% swing for Labour to lose. There was no way Labour could have held it. In Colne Valley, Labour fell from first to third place: it didn't happen in Brentford.

Robin Taylor ● 5570d

Looks like it won't be a peerage but certainly a visit from some other HM servants looming.Daily Telegraph have been knocking at doors this morning, from what I've gleaned (which was not easy to squeeze out of the reporter):Seems like some interesting details have been unearthed within the DoH which indicate some improper 'favours' being done between Labour party members in Brentford, Southall, Richmond and a health minister. So is it Robin? or a crooked councillor.? a dodgy lobbyist? a contractor?  Crumbs!Aside, did Mrs Keen cost Labour the seat? Of course. Her last election result was poor, reputation already tarnished on issues alone. It did not need much to topple her.Being a good Minister (about to be questioned) is not enough, being seen to be honest and honourable is almost more important and that was sadly missing.Does not matter what the stats are, Labour won both Ealing and Hounslow.Other Labour parliamentary seats were retained and this should have been an easy hold.Say's a lot about Gordon Brown that he takes the blame for failure. It was not all his fault. His real failing is the same as the local Party branch. He wanted corrupt and dubvious MPs out of politics. The Keens among quite a few others are exactly who he was referring. Cameron wanted the same. The difference is cameron actioned it and Brown did not. He should have. And where he stopped short, the local branches should at the very least, hauled their MPs in and put them right.A fresh candidate would have increased a majority.

Anthony Waller ● 5570d