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So much for Labours promises

Well it looks like at least one of Labours promises has come back to haunt them from what I can see reading the article on the Hounslow Chronicle website?If I recall correctly we were all promised that fly tipping would be a thing of the past once Labour got back in the Borough of Hounslow and we had constant reminders before the May elections from Vanessa Smith stating how bad things had become under the previous Administration and it would never happen with Labour in control etc etcI notice also that at tonight's Borough Council meeting questions will be asked regarding the watering down of the wording regarding the pre election pledges made by Labour and how they are now attempting to wriggle out of them of courseHere is this evenings agendahttp://democraticservices.hounslow.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=5695The article from the Chronicle is belowDEVASTATED householders whose Isleworth gardens were ravaged by a fire on Monday night are blaming the authorities for failing to clear rubbish.Ten properties in Worple Avenue, Isleworth were evacuated as fire-fighters tackled the blaze from 8pm.Three garden sheds were damaged and the back gardens of a number of homes were completely destroyed after fly-tipped rubbish went up in flames.Marion Dearden, 65, had between £10,000 and £15,000 worth of tools in her garden shed destroyed by the fire which she believes was started by a mattress in the access alley connecting Worple Avenue and Woodstock Alley."It was absoloutley horrendous – really dreadful. It's complete devastation, not just the sheds but our entire back gardens and fences. I am scared to leave the house as our back gardens are now completely exposed, anyone could just walk in."Four fire-engines and around 20 fire-fighters from Heston, Richmond and Kingston tackled the blaze which they had under control by 10.23pm.A fire brigade spokesman said: "Around eight cylinders were involved in the fire and a temporary hazard zone was set up around the affected area as a precaution. Some cylinders can explode when exposed to heat."Although the fire-brigade are still investigating the cause of the fire, grandmother of one; Marion, believes that it may have been children smoking in the back alley which caused the mattress to go up in flames."There are always youngsters hanging around back there because they are away from prying eyes. A fireman told me he thinks it was the mattress that has gone up. The council only came to take pictures of it on Saturday, I can't believe that even though they had two days to clear it nothing was done. Now look what's happened."I just thank god that my grand-daughter wasn't here with her school friends when it happened. They would normally be playing in the pool in the back garden at that time, but she was rehearsing for a play."

Paul Fisher ● 5502d31 Comments

JohnWhen you were elected unopposed in 2002 (not 2000) the reason for that was, if I remember, that the Conservative candidates messed up their nomination papers in Hounslow Heath.  Or did they?  I've heard other accounts that have left me confused in the fog.  What exactly did happen?For the record I never believed that altruism would inspire the Conservatives to do us any favours in the 2010 local elections, neither did any of my colleagues.  Why should it have done?  Every party in politics wants to win and win well.But I, and we, did believe they might be tempted to do themselves a favour.  Despite our immaturity in the art of politics we explained to the Tories some fifteen months before polling day that only Labour were capable of beating us in Isleworth and Syon and that in the event of a general election being held on the same day they might well do so.  If this did happen, we explained, the Tories would lose power in Hounslow.  Guess what happened?Whilst we understood that the Conservatives would naturally prefer an outright majority we assumed that their favoured alternative, their Plan B as it were, would have been a return of the coalition.  This assumption turned out to be erroneous - we underestimated the sense of security that some of our politicians gain from the two-party system, even when they are the second party - and this was where our naivete really did manifest itself.The Conservatives did not have to field candidates in all 60 seats to spread their national message.  They could have campaigned for their parliamentary candidate in Isleworth and Syon just as easily without doing so.  Without Tory local election candidates in those wards ICG canvassers could have spread the coalition message, from which the Conservative parliamentary candidate might have expected to benefit.  Instead we were forced to work against the Conservatives as opponents.  In the event this did not make any difference to the outcome of the parliamentary contest, but it could have done.John, the Conservatives fielded candidates in those two wards in the hope that the coincidence of a general election held on the same day would sideline the ICG and restore the two-party hegemony with which both of the major parties are so much more comfortable.  They succeeded in part, the seats were won by Labour.  But the Conservatives still came third, and with it have probably lost political control of the London Borough of Hounslow forever.With acumen like that on display, sometimes I'm grateful for the fact that I fundamentally misunderstand everything rather than being one of you experts John.

Phil Andrews ● 5482d

VanessaThe significant point here is that we didn't even seek an equal partnership.  I'm aware that politicians regard themselves as being generally cleverer and smarter than the rest of us, confusing as they do a preparedness to scheme, plot and be underhand with political acumen and skill.  I've frequently commented upon this irritating trait with which Labour partyists seem to be more or less unanimously afflicted but I have to say I encountered it in some of our Conservative partners also.However as I have said and repeated on countless occasions our brief was simply to use the position in which we had found ourselves to replace an entirely self-serving bureaucratic machine with an outward-looking and community-focused operation in which residents could themselves be meaningfully involved in the decision-making process.  In return for this we were happy to give our partners more or less carte blanche to do their money saving thing (although we did intervene in what we considered to have been some of the more unpalatable proposals).We figured that whereas Labour would find our programme objectionable on ideological grounds the Conservatives would be fairly neutral about it, possibly regarding it as eccentric but basically harmless bearing in mind that it didn't really cost any money.As your say, however, events were overtaken mid-term by a misplaced euphoria in which our partners for some reason began to believe that they would take the world by storm in 2010 and replace the coalition administration with an entirely Conservative one.  If you look around the web there are plenty of excited references to this expectation by Conservative supporters.Henceforth the desire to sideline the Community Group became, in my view, the driving force in the eyes of at least some of the Conservative Party bigwigs.  Chief officers, at the very highest level within the local authority, began to quite openly challenge and frustrate Community Group priorities whilst working hard to realise Conservative ones.  The Environment Department was without doubt the worst culprit and, as Steve rightly points out, this was best illustrated by the obstruction we faced over Mogden.  Only when the Conservatives recognised that this could rebound on them electorally did they deign to take an interest, and when they did Communications was quite shamelessly used in a way that it was felt would show the Conservative Party in the most favourable light possible at the expense of the Community Group.I have been asked why, all this being the case, we did not pull out of the coalition.  I have already stated publicly that I believe I was wrong not to have at least forced a discussion about this a year or so before the end of the administration's term.  Once we were within six months of the election to have done so would have given an impression of opportunism.  Instead we set our sights on another term in which there would be No Overall Control, and in Hounslow South even tried to give this desired outcome a helping hand.Had the outcome this year's election been a similar one to that in 2006 we may or may not have been prepared to re-enter coalition.  Indeed we may not have even been asked.  Certainly one of the options being floated by the Conservative Group was that of offering coalition terms to some members of the Community Group but not to others.  I am assuming I'd have been one of the others.However in the event of the coalition having been resumed we would certainly have learned from our mistakes and laid down far more robust terms than we did in 2006 when, perhaps naively, much of what we did was based on trust.  I have learned that in big party politics trust and honour and very rare commodities indeed.  I dare say that some very high profile P45s would have been issued as an integral part of the package and the "only acting under orders" defences that we would have doubtless have heard at subsequent employment tribunals would undoubtedly have answered a few questions.So much for the local authority, what of the coalition that is currently leading the country?  Well, I would imagine the feeling of many people is more one of relief that the old lot are gone than of trepidation as to what lies in store.  This is something that you need to understand in the context of the local elections of 2006 and subsequent events.  It is one thing being angry that your opponents are aligning against you, but quite another to understand why they consider it necessary to do so.Will the new administration make other options possible for the future?  Options that were not options at all in 2006?You are probably in a better position than I to answer that Vanessa.

Phil Andrews ● 5497d

Correction -'and we had constant reminders before the May elections from Vanessa Smith stating how bad things had become under the previous Administration and it would never happen with Labour in control etc etc' I believe I said we had never had these problems previously NOT as you have misquoted. And as a matter of record I have been in touch with Hopeless Homes so many times I am fed up with contacting them regarding the state of our rear access roads, they are legally responsible for them but show no inclination to tackle the dumping. I reported the last lot at least four weeks ago and HH have done sod all, trust me they are not getting off the hook Labour council or not. I also know there was a Councillor's walkabout with Officers on Saturday last which also looked at the problems. The dead end of Woodstock Avenue is a particular problem being piled high with old mattresses etc. We have also had stolen cars and youths hanging around in our rear access, as the false numberplates from one car were dumped - the Police were contacted by a neighbour who actually spoke to the youths in the car. The policy of hiking up prices for the removal of old household items instead of clearing them either for a small fee or free of charge as had been the case only served to exacerbate this problem, and the cost of dealing with this anti social behaviour continues to soar. You and your fellow ex councillors sowed the seeds for this by kow- towing to the Tories, yet you expect this council to sort everything out in five minutes.

Vanessa Smith ● 5502d