Older Forum watchers and participants might know the answer to thislittle question.A friend mentioned it..and I said "Really!"
Jim Lawes ● 5475d29 Comments
Noted Audrey. Was the Bakery northside or southside.?Both buildings are still standing..and the southside one makes sense as the back of the bakery could been from the School window ..according to Andrew.I've been speaking on the phone with an 88year old lady, Mrs Huxley who is very with it,,and she remarked that her family were so poor that they could only afford the mash and liquor for one old penny (240 to the £pound!). They couldn't afford the meat pie or the eel!And as for the luxury of fish and chips...Mrs Huxley's family never had it..she said!Wasn't that recipe for the liquor interesting? Thanks for posting that Hugh. Hugh and I must have attended the same street party in Whitehall Park Road, Chiswick after the War...celebrating with tables down the street and flags across the road. and tables piles with bread and sugar... and bread and "dripping" sandwiches!! Piles of cakes I'm sure!We've never had it so good!BTW: that Bakery on the corner of Hamilton Road might have gone out of business in the 1950's because of massive floods down New Road (burst main) which flooded the bakery basement. Anyone remember that?
Jim Lawes ● 5469d
Hi Jim you have the bakery on the wrong corner! It was right back of the RC school, corner of Hamilton Road & Brook Lane!
Audrey Walton ● 5469d
I think it was his son who ran the garage with him.When the garage closed,he opened a garage in Layton Rd. [the son].
Rosemary Junefield ● 5469d
That's great Hugh.. lol!So that's what the liquor looks like!Don't people still go to somewhere near Shepherds Bush Green for their pie and mash (and liquor) treats these days? Not by 657 trolleybus, of course!!
Sorry about that Jpg Jim...
Hugh Telford ● 5470d
Making my mouth water Jim.... Serves 2 but there was plenty left over!Ingredients for Pie and MashFor the Pie and Mash:>450gms of braising steak, cut into chunks>250gms puff pastry>1 onion, finely chopped>125gms chestnut mushrooms, finely sliced>5 large potatoes (maris piper), peeled and cut into even pieces>200 mls Guinness>200 mls stock (I used Marigold vegetable bouillon)>2 small bay leaves>3 springs of thyme>1 tbs of tomato puree>plain flour>worcestershire sauce>butter>salt and pepper>1 egg, beaten.> >For the liquor:>8 oysters, shucked (save the 'juices' with the oyster flesh in a bowl)>tub of jellied eels>500 mls water>large bunch of parsley, chopped>butter>plain flour>salt and pepper>1 tsp of malt vinegar.
So Mrs Pink's Pie and Eel shop was opposite the Gasworks and not(as I first said and have confused the thread) in Ealing Road.Andrew, who lived locally and went to St John's School AND worked at Trico's, has written as follows:""Our treat on a Saturday night, was for me to call in to Pinks for Faggots and Peas, and on the way back to call into the Pottery Arms in the Jug and Bottle , and fill a jug with a pint of Burton for Dad. When times were better we sampled a sit down meal of pie mash and liquor.......heaven!! ""-----------------------------------------------------You have to have the liquor.. I keep hearing. What is the recipe I often wonder? You'll remember that pubs in the old days use to have a small "Off License" or is it " Off Licence"! section for take away service! Do you remember taking back empty bottles to earn pocket money?Thanks Andrew.
Jim Lawes ● 5470d
As William and Rosemary have mentioned... opposite Proto's ice cream and sweet shop and a litte way up the road nearer the Baptist Church on the corner of Greet Road was the Garage.Kelly's 1938 says it was at 112 /114 Ealing Road and run by G Davis and ..was it his brother?.As William said they were Directors of Brentford Football Club. I remember the name of George Davis as I used to watch the matches in the early fifties (Walking /running down the Green Dragon alley way from Kew Bridge).I particularly remember the first game that Tommy Lawton played when he scored that debut goal with his forehead...getting on to a long centre from freddie monk out on the wing.Hunting in cyberspace I've found a picture of George Davis (at the signing ceremony for Tommy Lawton!!)Do you recognise him Willianm and Rosemary? It's a March 1953 event !!
The garage was opposite Brentford F.C.
Rosemary Junefield ● 5470d
on the oppersite side of the road to proto's was a garage named Davis's, the owner and his brother, l believe were on the board of brentford football club
William Micheal Read ● 5471d
Celia said.."Jim, I used to be in touch with Peter Rutt via his website address but not recently. The British Library is building up an archive of websites - someone kindly nominated my bhsproject.co.uk - it is a great shame Peter's site cannot be included"I think Peter's site has just "gone down" probably due to the cost of maintaining the web address. I once met his sister in law Janice Edwina Biddle outside the old Baths. She said she lived on the haverfield Estate...but her phone line is now dead I believe. I'll email the phone number to you.Your own website is a masterpiece and is very worthy of being recognised by the British Library. Congratulations. Your website has been listed on TW8.com's INFORMATION INDEX under "links" for some couple of years now.TW8.com hasn't done too badly over the years ...but the search box is the only Gateway to past threads...and many are now mislaid or unobtainable. Today only some 200 past threads are visable flicking through the Forum pages. Once we could go back to the beginning in year 2003? and see the lists of all threads! Paul Allen was around then!
Jim Lawes ● 5471d
Jim, I used to be in touch with Peter Rutt via his website address but not recently. The British Library is building up an archive of websites - someone kindly nominated my bhsproject.co.uk - it is a great shame Peter's site cannot be included
Celia Cotton ● 5471d
In 1940 trade directory:George W Wood, tobacconist at 322David Lee, butcher at 323Nelson Larkham at 324but suspect this is before your time!
Bernadette that was Jafrate's ice cream shop. As you say, now demolished. Proto's was a sweet shop on Ealing Road, next to the hairdresser.
Audrey Walton ● 5471d
since beeen told getting shops mixed up
Robert A Field ● 5471d
On the corner of Ealing Rd a few shops before Pinks was atobacconists, next to a bakers.There was also a newspaper shop and a club I think it may have been a Liberal or Conserv-ative I went there as a child to a Xmas party
Rosemary Junefield ● 5471d
ealing road this
protos was in ealing,opposite was a garage,regent i think,next to that a little grocery shop.
I only have a very vague recollection of an ice cream shop in Brentford in the 50s and that I think was in Albany Road sort of facing the fish & chip shop roughly where the garages are now so it would have been demolished when redeveloping the site. Don't know whether that was Protos definitely can't remember the name.
Bernadette Paul ● 5471d
Thanks for that Celia...we'll have to dig out the picture to complete the story.There are several interesting older houses still in Ealing Road South...one or two are gems.Isn't it the case when older people are reminiscing that they often mention Pie and Eel shops? This was the reason for this thread..after a chap who had worked at Wilson and Kyle for 40 years had recalled Pinks.Celia: Do you have any contact with the Peter Rutt family who used to have that inspiring old Brentford website that attracted local stories from all over the world?
Jim Lawes ● 5472d
The 1962 phone directory on ancestry.co.uk includes an A.W.Pink at 325 High Street Brentford, and this location fits the memories of Peter Reeve and Jean McMillan on the Brentfor High Street Project website: 'Mrs Pinks ran an eel and pie shop just past Ealing Road.'. There is a photo in Carolyn Hammonds' 'Archive Photo Series' & 'Then and Now Brentford' taken near Ealing Road showing "Pink's" in the 1950s.I have not come across Proto's - yet!
Celia Cotton ● 5472d
Your quite right Rosemary..Proto's sweet shop was next to Warringtons greengrocers/ and Woods Pie and Eel shop. at No 87 Ealing Road.The Hairdressing lady told us yesterday that Alfonso Proto even made and supplied ice cream. As you know No 87 is now a residence. One can see the variety of brickwork..but it looks pleasing don't you think? Maybe not if you have memories of some fabulous ice cream!Here's yesterday's picture.
Jim Lawes ● 5473d
I remember Warringtons greengrocers,next door was Proto,s sweetshop.[I don,t know if thats the correct spelling].The only places that haven,t changed a lot in Brentford are the pubs.
Rosemary Junefield ● 5473d
Hi Rosemary,Another Forum member and I spoke today with the lady who runs the Hairdressing salon in Ealing Road. You are quite right and I was wrong..Pinks (owned by a Mrs Pink!?) was in the High Street we were told again.At 85,Ealing Road is this well preserved shop.You will recognise it I'm sure. It's been a Ladies Hairdressers for some 40 years and before that it was Warrington's the greengrocers.And yippee! in 1937 it was Woods, another Pie and Eel shop!! If I've remembered correctly, the Woods were related to the Goodards. What a fine specimen of old brentford? A delight. I wonder what it was before Woods took it over. The georgeous archway led to stables behind. There are lady customers currently visiting there who have great knowledge of Brentford history..it needs to be recorded!
Jim Lawes ● 5474d
I think Woods was in the High St.can,t remember the shops next to it.
Rosemary Junefield ● 5474d
tThe only pie and eel shop I can remember was Pinks on the London Rd.oppositethe gas works.Although there was another shop, where I don,t know.
That's right Rosemary..pie and eels!Wasn't it also called Woods?And was it not half-way up Ealing Road at Number 85? I was planning to take a picture of the current premises today..but found I'd left my camera at home..so I got on with the leafleting!!More to follow?
Jim Lawes ● 5475d
Pinks was a pie and eel shop.It was opposite the gas works.
Rosemary Junefield ● 5475d
Serves 2 but there was plenty left over!Ingredients for Pie and MashFor the Pie and Mash:>450gms of braising steak, cut into chunks>250gms puff pastry>1 onion, finely chopped>125gms chestnut mushrooms, finely sliced>5 large potatoes (maris piper), peeled and cut into even pieces>200 mls Guinness>200 mls stock (I used Marigold vegetable bouillon)>2 small bay leaves>3 springs of thyme>1 tbs of tomato puree>plain flour>worcestershire sauce>butter>salt and pepper>1 egg, beaten.> >For the liquor:>8 oysters, shucked (save the 'juices' with the oyster flesh in a bowl)>tub of jellied eels>500 mls water>large bunch of parsley, chopped>butter>plain flour>salt and pepper>1 tsp of malt vinegar.