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what would you do?

I live in a small development of 14 flats.  We have a car park which can take approx 10 cars.  Most of the residents do not own cars however, someone living here has a fixation about the car park and who parks there.  There have been aggressive notes left on cars, interference with tyres (letting down/slashing) once when my daughter's car was left in the car park for a couple of days because it had broken down, there was a note left on it threatening all sorts.  I in turn placed a note on it warning what would happen to anyone arranging to have it removed etc.  Then, someone who lives in the front of the flats, who does not own a car but who evidently has his own cctv trained on the car park (and who knows where else) came to my door and warned me not to let my daughter drive the car as it had been interfered with and wheel nuts loosened or removed.  Naturally at that time I was grateful for this information as without it my daughter could have been killed.  I was new to this flat at the time and was not fully conversant with the workings and paranoia of the self elected car park vigilante.About 10 weeks ago a friend of my daughter came to stay at my flat.  She had just finished uni and had a training contract with a London firm.  She is staying with me until she finds somewhere of her own.  Her car was parked in the car park.  No notes were put on it but when she went to drive home to Swindon for the weekend two front tyres were totally flat and it turned out they had been cut - not just let down.  Her boyfriend was in the process of putting on the spare when the cctv chap appears his first words are "Do you live here?" she of course said yes and his tone became slightly more conciliatory.  The point is,I cannot prove this man is responsible for the miscellaneous damage that has occurred to cars in the car park BUT he is always first on the scene to challenge anyone he does not know (he verbally attacked my second daughter for parking in the car park) he was also the one who KNEW about the wheel nuts on my daughter's car and he is without doubt my number one suspect for the vandalism that has occurred to this and other cars.Needless to say my lodger was extremely upset.  I had all manner of crying and hysteria etc.  I called the police.  I was given a crime number and was told someone would visit to take a statement.  The person on the phone took my lodger's mobile number and said they would arrange a time to call.  The next evening she told me she had received a call from the police at Chiswick I think, who had virtually said there was nothing they could do and wait to see if it happened again!I didn't think that was good enough so I went to Brentford police station and spoke to the officer on duty who listened whilst I reeled off the list of previous occurrences that I had experienced or knew about and I made the point that I personally thought that whilst I did not expect them to actually solve the crime, on the balance of probabilities I thought it may be suitable for them to at least knock on this person's door and question him which may possibly result in a cessation of the vandalism.  He appeared to agree with me and called the person that had telephoned my lodger the day before, they had a conversation (which appeared to be in code) and he assured me that someone would attend at the flat but it could take a day or so.  Virtually the next day my lodger received a PRE-PRINTED UNSIGNED letter from the police basically saying TOUGH there was no further action to be taken.I'm sorry but I still don't think that's good enough.  The cars of known residents in the car park have never been vandalised to my knowledge but, whenever there is a new car which is unknown to our vigilante car park attendant there are notes and damage caused.  In the light of the above WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

Bernadette Paul ● 5356d27 Comments

Thank you to everyone for your interest and responses and special thanks to Matt for your interest.  As much as anything I wanted to make the point that people like my vigilante car park attendant and miscellaneous people probably even more dangerous than him, exist and live cheek by jowel with what I consider to be more "normal" people.  They can cause all sorts of problems, expense and misery BUT, our finest public servants either cannot or do not want to do anything about it.  You can't legislate for nutters unfortunately they exist everywhere but, why are the police so impotent?A couple of slashed tyres is nothing to what some people have to put up with in other neighbourhoods, there have recently been tv reports showing the sort of misery some people are having to live with and yet again the police cannot or will not do anything.  It brings to mind the lady who killed herself and her daughter because of the endless intimidation suffered where the police did nothing to intervene.It just makes me wonder what laws are in place to protect the public and why are the police so unwilling to even talk to nuisance members of the public but would prefer to treat victims as nuisances instead.  This country is overburdened with CCTV and legislation but how much of it actually protects the public.  Anyway, my young lodger is moving out and I gave up my car 6 weeks ago.  So perhaps I will just adopt the same could't care less attitude as the police and let this chap get on with his version of good citizenship!

Bernadette Paul ● 5352d

Adam I can't disagree with you but I don't think the current climate has anything to do with it.  I have a strong feeling this may always have been the case.Most "crimes" are insoluble inasmuch as unless someone is actually caught bang to rights the perpetrator is home and free.  Of course nowadays there is dna and forensics etc., but for those to work the police have to actually attend the scene.  Therefore, it seems to me on a local level we have a very expensive police force who can turn out en masse for football games (usually paid overtime) or to apprehend the occasional shoplifter (that has already been restrained by a private security guard) or, as in the unfortunate case of a couple of weeks ago, a murder (where there are numerous eye witnesses) but, bother them with an "insoluble crime" and you are really just a nuisance.  Moreover, the person responsible for cutting the tyres, removing wheel nuts, sticking nails into tyres, leaving threatening and anonymous notes on cars etc., is allowed to continue his reign of terror as and when the mood takes him because it's not even worth the police troubling to ask him why he has cctv trained on the car park and why in spite of the fact that he is out the door in a flash to tackle any errant parker he evidently never manages to see who is responsible for causing the damage.In any event, I suppose I really have no recourse and will just have to put up with it and so will the next person who has their car vandalised as I have no doubt will be the case when perhaps a new tenant moves in.

Bernadette Paul ● 5355d

Thanks for your support Jim - whilst I agree with Adam to a small degree I would like to make the point that I would rarely trouble the police with any sort of a complaint because frankly I do not have a particularly high regard for them in the first place.  I once witnessed an incident at the gates of St. Paul's Park about 8 years ago when a young man who was not known to me was being pursued by several police officers.  I presumed he had shoplifted from Somerfield as there was also a security guard from there in chase.  He was brought to the ground and was face down on the floor and was being held there by at least 2 police when, 2 police vans and a car arrived.  I can't remember how many police were involved but something like about 11.  Out of a van jumped a policeman who ran full pelt towards the boy on the ground and then dropped on top of the boy by ramming his knee into the back of the boy's knee (I don't know how better to describe the incident).  I was incensed by this and remonstrated with the police I was concerned enough to take the trouble to write a letter of complaint.  Sadly because I did not know this boy I have no idea how hurt he was but, even though I was in no way condoning whatever he had done he did not deserve to be attacked in this way by a police officer let alone by a mob of them particular bearing in mind he was already face down and being held by more than one!It seems to me the police are only interested in soft targets.  If you report a crime and it goes unsolved they don't achieve their targets therefore the public are dissuaded or prohibited from reporting crime, as in this case where they just can't be bothered, or so it seems, to even come and speak to victim or anything else really, just a pre-printed unsigned letter.  That in itself suggests that it is a standard response when crimes are reported.Years ago very early in the morning I witnessed someone breaking into a car by smashing the window and then stealing whatever was in the car (very large boxes of something).  I called Brentford police immediately but the thief was long gone before anyone turned up at least 30 mins later.  I watched the police (man & woman) arrive, get out of their car, walk up to the damaged car, have a look, get back in their car and go,  I never heard another word from anyone about that incident.  No police came to ask me for any sort of description or anything else.  I reported a crime and as far as I know the police had no interest in that crime either.  We pay a high price for the police force.  They are, in my opinion, well paid and well looked after with pensions etc.  We pay for them in our taxes and council taxes and I think we have the right to expect the police to take incidents like this more seriously.  I know tyre slashing is not the crime of the century but it is unpleasant, inconvenient and expensive to be on the receiving end of such a crime and the bottom line is I am very disappointed in their attitude towards it.

Bernadette Paul ● 5355d

No criticism of you intended Bernadette, I sympathise with how frustrating/upsetting the situation must be for you.I just feel that although in an ideal world we'd all like the police to get involved in such matters, in reality with so many cuts to public services etc. I expect matters like this to be regarded as the 'lowest priority'.  I'm not saying that's right, but it's the way it is.  And I know people have this logical view that their MP is elected by them to serve them, but from my time within local government I sometimes found MP's almost getting dragged into things by constitutents when in reality their involvement was totally futile and a waste of their time.I also think the owners/Council should make it clear to all residents (by way of a mailshot/meeting etc) who can/can't park in the car park - whilst in no way condoning the behaviour of the suspect I can appreciate that if there are only a small number of spaces and sometimes the use of those spaces is 'abused' it does get annoying (I know the suspect doesn't drive but it's stil a point of principal).  So such a course of action may also make the suspect feel more satisfied that the owners/Council are clamping down on any unauthorised parking.We only have very limited parking in the development where I live and I have been shocked in the past how, if someone parks in my allocated space when they have no right to and I politely ask them to move, they can be quite 'awkward'.  So I can see the problem from all sides, really what is needed is for the management company/owners/Council to take a firm hand so everyone knows where they stand.

Adam Beamish ● 5356d

Thanks for your replies.  The man I suspect is the man with the cctv!  It seems he monitors everything and sees everything except who actually causes the damage.  Conveniently he says it is not recording. (However I think it may be illegal for members of the public to record - not sure on that).These are council flats although mine and 3 others are privately owned and there is a service charge and we do pay for a caretaker although no-one has ever seen this caretaker and he does not live on site.I agree Sarah, it is criminal damage and moreover could have been murder or manslaughter or whatever if my daughter had driven her car and the wheels came off but evidently the police do not believe it to be serious enough to warrant any sort of an investigation.  As I said in my posting, I don't expect them to arrest anyone and I could be wrong in pointing the figer at this individual but I really believe it's negligent of the police to take the view that there is nothing for it but to wait and see if it happens again.  So what if it did happen again?  They still wouldn't know who did it.  Anyway the point is whoever is vandalising the cars is only vandalising the ones that are new to the car park and therefore not known to whichever resident is causing the damage.  It's not a case of any of the regular known residents being targeted which is why I strongly suspect this particular individual.  It can't be a coincidence that cars belonging to established residents are never touched.  I don't think her car will be touched again but nevertheless she has left it in Swindon and now commutes by train at weekends.

Bernadette Paul ● 5356d