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Are they really serious?

News tonight that the person heading up the enquiry into the riots is the Chief Executive of JC+. Given the chaotic, ridiculous and hopeless way that Job Centres operate wouldn't this man be better employed doing the job he already has? Looking at the rest of the panel I don't hold out much hope for any relevant answers, or indeed any insight into what can be done now, bloody useless and a waste of OUR money yet again........

Vanessa Smith ● 5361d11 Comments

Sadly, it does not seem to matter what political colours they wear, it all ends up with the same result.Just makes one wonder how good this country could be if they cast all that aside and ruled with common sense as it pillar rather than the worn out consumed inherently corrupt system that was once the model of fairness and integrity.

Michael Brandt ● 5349d

You could hardly accuse New Labour of listening to the public any more than this government do.Brown was supposed to have given us a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty but didn't,they had their ears closed to public opinion on immigration etc.This government is sadly no better or worse on listening to the public than most.We deserve better.

Keith Iddon ● 5349d

I know I am one of life's cycnics but I sometimes think that these sorts of things are purposeful. Given the current climate does the government really want meaningful answers? I think not, 'ordinary people' will tell them what they don't want to hear, so they just won't ask the questions, far easier to have a hand-picked panel who will toe the party line and mouth the same sanctimonious twaddle we've heard time and again. After all when you find out that developers and builders have drawn up the government's new planning proposals how can you have any faith that an even handed, objective view will be taken of anything?

Vanessa Smith ● 5349d

If they were really serious they would set up a panel of people who were there in one capacity or another.I have a journalist friend a lifelong resident, who was there in Ealing, his home town and what he had told me just a day after was horrific- a mixture of incompetence, attitude and poor leadership. I've seen his pictures and they bear this out.It would be wrong of me to claim this opinion as my own but I personally agree with it.The panel should be made up from ordinary police on the front line, not senior officers most of whom were too far away from the culprits to hear what was being said, journalists or witnesses, residents who were present and affected, firemen who were restricted.They should be completely free to speak from their eyewitness experience and ask questions of their superiors freely and of those from other services.If possible even some of those who were just out spectating and better still some of those involved.But if it ends up (as it seems) being a panel of Bufton Tuftons and career builders and 'experts' who were not actually there, then we will get nowhere apart from have another bill to pay for a load of waffle and missed objectives.

Michael Brandt ● 5351d

Agreed!!!!!Mostly,anyway!!!!!

Keith Iddon ● 5352d

MP's are always going to other countries to see how their system works! How about curfews like they do in the USA! I'm not surprised at the amount of disrespect the youth of today give! Just look at the sexual and violent content in music videos and video games that are allowed! You can't say it's not influencing this generation! Kids need discipline and to be taught the consequences of their actions! The riots were just an organised looting free for all and nothing to do with lack of facilities imo! Yes there aren't as many jobs for todays school leavers! But it's the ones who don't want to be educated and just want easy money without working for it that you'll find making the excuses! If you work hard, you'll go far!

Nilesh Shah ● 5352d

Up to a point I would agree with you, especially their record on housing - or should that be not their record on housing. We ain't going to get anything else apart from those two as I think the Lib Dems have pretty much shot their bolt and my personal philisophy is that even the worst Labour government is preferable to the Tories whom I despise and mistrust. I do not though accept that everything was the last government's fault as you can hardly hold them responsible for the unholy mess in Greece, Ireland and even the USA, the economic woes that beset us are worldwide and we all know that the bankers are behind the mess. Playing with education - ie 'free schools' is to offer preferential treatment to a few middle class tossers who have got us to finance their schools, that is hardly helpful, nor is attacking the NHS so that if you have enough dosh you will also be at the front of the queue. We have to build really affordable housing and I think we should look at every alternative method - have you seen what can be done with shipping containers? It is truly amazing. We have a housing crisis and we have to look at every alternative we can. I would also include a good look at the Human Rights Act, although in a perfect world we should be able to be proud of this it has too many exploitable loopholes which have brought into disrepute and lead to the lack of a 'Human Responsibilities Act' to go with it, however we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater. I hold out no hope for this appalling government to even scratch the surface of what needs to be done.

Vanessa Smith ● 5359d

Whilst agreeing with your point about public spending and the coalition Vanessa,you couldn't say with a straight face that the last lot didn't help scatter this seeds of this unrest with their limp wristed and 'lets throw money that we don't have at it and it might go away'philosophy.We all deserve better than either of them,imo.

Keith Iddon ● 5360d

All that and discipline in the home/school wouldn't go amiss.Get rid of this tolerance to low level crime we have,kids need boundaries that are  real and effective.

Keith Iddon ● 5360d

Absolutely Keith - another bunch of high powered turnip tops let loose to tell us what we already know. The answer is education, meaningful jobs with a future and decent affordable housing plus facilities for kids to go to when their parents are working or just to let off some steam, none of which is going to happen as this bloody government will never spend the money it requires to do this.

Vanessa Smith ● 5360d

What a joke!It'll probably be one of those affairs where a couple of million quid is spent in order to state the bleedin'obvious.The amount of times in my life where I've heard the outcome of inquiry and thought 'I knew that already',just like loads of us probably have.

Keith Iddon ● 5361d