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Who's in charge of what's being allowed to go on? As far as the November trials are concerned, my understanding is that the Civil Aviation Authority are supposed to have oversight of the trials being run by BAA. However the impression I have is that BAA have been given a fairly free rein and CAA do not see their job as micro-managing the detail of the exercise and instead BAA is expected to engage "fully and transparently" with relevant stakeholders. I believe many of the significant stakeholders (Hounslow, Richmond, Hillingdon...) are distinctly unhappy and some have bleated to CAA that the information and involvement they have received is not the kind of engagement they believe was intended by the Aviation Minister. More info on how the trial will be monitored will hopefully come out soon. BAA say "We are being monitored by the DfT, CAA and will publish a report every month. We will also update the website daily with data." But they haven't told me which page they are going to update and what info it will hold.As regards the current TEAM operations, particularly between 6 and 7am, I think the basis and rules are lost in grey clouds.I have heard various stories:it began as a trial and the 70's and still continues purely on a trial basis.....?the rules were outlined in a document presented to the T5 Enquiry c. 1995 ...... ?the rules are given in Appendix O of the 1999 Night Flights Consultation Paper athttp://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/archive/2005/nrheahtgatst/nightrestrictionsatheathrowg1775?page=30#a1072which says that DfT make checks on the process from time to timebut my FoI request to DfT revealed that DfT have no record of any checks between 2000 and 2011 !!the rules are given in BAA's 2005 Masterplan document.....Who knows what the truth is ? Will the real regulator or permitting authority ever stand up ?Or should we just accept it and wake up when something loud rumbles in the sky anyway ?The 6am - 7am period is also peculiar as it is too late to be included in the night flights quota (which ends at 6am). And it is too early to affect the limit on the  noise contours established as a planning condition for Terminal 5 (they are based on typical contours for a summers day for the 16 hour period starting from 7 am). So the window could be viewed as uncontrolled and there is little penalty to filling it up with no alternation.An interesting week may start tonight with the clock change being carried out on this side of the Atlantic. It doesn't change on the other side of the pond for another seven days. So planes may still be departing at their usual time and have to kill an hour before their landing slot becomes available ? Or do we use more nightquota up in this next week ? Or fill even more flights into the 6-7 window ? Or pray for a strong jet stream in the wrong direction ? Or ask Quantas to go on strike and use their slots.....

Tim Henderson ● 5031d

* During the departures rush hour at 6am..don't aircraft already take off on both runways?No, I don't think so.It's an arrivals rush hour at 6am as the official night quota period has finished. I get the impression that planes rush to get into the stack so that they are let out first and then those that didn't win the race fill the stack up! As there are relatively few departures between 6 and 7 then TEAM (landing on both runways) is routinely employed - ostensibly as a tactical plan to reduce the stacks. But if they hadn't planned to fill the stacks, would there have been any need ?* Isn't mixed mode already taking place..ie taking off and landings on same runway?Yes, ish. TEAM is apparently sanctioned during the day when air traffic control delays at at a particular level. The exact details of what triggers it and whether what happens between 6am and 7 am and the rest of the day is the same or different seems to be a bit obscure......But as it isn't planned to happen that way, the purists claim that it isn't really mixed mode. It just turns out that way !* I'm noticing that arrivals are sometimes touching down at 80 second (and less) intervals.* Between 6am and 11pm the clock travels 16 hours, With there being 3600 seconds in an hour..divide that by 80 and some 720 aircraft could land..plus the 18 "night flights that's a total of 738 possible landings per day. That's 12% more than the 660 ish that land at present. (Check figure someone).Can't fault the maths.It looks fromhttp://www.acl-uk.org/UserFiles/File/S11%20ACL%20-%20LHR%20-%20ATM%20Limits.pdfas if they plan the schedule for a peak week of 9520 movements = 1360 / day or 680 pairs of movements compared to your 720 pairs for a 16 hour day.I think they look at the operational summary for the past season before they declare the capacity for scheduling a future season - seehttp://www.acl-uk.org/UserFiles/File/S11%20Heathrow%20Operational%20Summary%20Summer%202010%20v1_1.pdfand note the effect of the volcano and BA strikes !It looks as if not much wants to land in the hour starting 2100. And average arrival separations were more like 86-87 secs rather than the 80 sec you suggest. I think some of the problems arise from the increasing use of the big A380's which need bigger separations from some of the lighter planes and so the hourly rate will fall - but I'm not sure if the scheduling planning can cope with reducing the number of slots in play. People hope always for the best and then when it doesn't happen there isn't any scope to catch up and the airport has one of its disaster days !

Tim Henderson ● 5041d

I wonder if this article posted on the Flight Global website (18th July 2011) and written by Kerry Reals will help us all understand what is happening. It can get confusing.It strikes me that a battalion of thinkers had already been employed to work out how Heathrow can ensure that it's daily ration of flights in and out can be achieved..especially when there have been delays either in the air or on the airport aprons. This is particularly in the case of arrivals stacking in the air...or departures not being ready to take off..the runway thus being wasted.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000""Mixed-mode operations[ie take offs and landings on same runway?] will be allowed at London Heathrow during times of severe disruption, under new measures unveiled last week(July 2011) by UK aviation minister Theresa Villiers.The measures were laid out in a final report by the UK government's South East Airports Task Force."They are focused on making Heathrow more resilient and better able to recover on days when the airport's operations are disrupted by poor weather or other problems," said the UK Department for Transportation."When such problems occur, these proposals would allow, exceptionally, both Heathrow's runways to be used simultaneously for either arrivals or departures as a way to cut delays and cancellations and get punctuality back on track."Heathrow currently uses one runway for arrivals and one for departures, switching halfway through the day to give local residents a break from the noise.Airports operator BAA is permitted to use both runways simultaneously in certain circumstances to clear major backlogs, but the new measures would allow "more flexibility for the operator as to when these measures would be used, and this approach would be extended to cover departures", said the DfT.The new measures will be trialled this autumn and in summer 2012, and progress will be reviewed this time next year.The Board of Airline Representatives in the UK (BAR UK) has welcomed the measures. BAR UK chief executive Mike Carrivick said the benefits "should include far less aircraft holding, resulting in much improved punctuality, fewer delays and reduced emissions".Mixed-mode operations have long been sought by Heathrow stakeholders, but were rejected by the previous government in favour of building a third runway at the London airport. However, plans to build a third runway have since been scrapped by the new UK government.""oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo* During the departures rush hour at 6am..don't aircraft already take off on both runways?* Isn't mixed mode already taking place..ie taking off and landings on same runway?* I'm noticing that arrivals are sometimes touching down at 80 second (and less) intervals.* Between 6am and 11pm the clock travels 16 hours, With there being 3600 seconds in an hour..divide that by 80 and some 720 aircraft could land..plus the 18 "night flights that's a total of 738 possible landings per day. That's 12% more than the 660 ish that land at present. (Check figure someone).I'm rumbling on....apologies!

Jim Lawes ● 5041d

Thanks for the replies and Jim's publicity for the video.(I still haven't had my leaflet !)The video says what might happen - but it is still very unclear to me as to how likely and how often disruption from "normal" will be. When will the procedures it describes be used ? Already on average during westerly operations between 0600 and 0700 there are an additional 18 flights a day landing on the wrong runway out of alternation . And an average of a further 13 occur at other times throughout the day. Is there scope for much more ? The leaflet mentions various triggering circumstances but is silent on how typical they are and what the likely usage over the trial period may be.The big report on runway resilience athttp://www.caa.co.uk/docs/589/ICF_runway_resilience_final_report_16Feb09.pdfhas interesting background on the delays at Heathrow in 2007/2008 . It talks about the savings in holding time in the stacks that TEAM (tactically enhanced arrivals mode = landing on both runways at the sametime) can provide - but it warns that it is quite possible that these may be virtually defeated by similar increases in ground holding time as the departure schedules are disrupted ! We will have to see how savings from CO2 from circling jets above are balanced by increased local air pollution from running the idling engines on the ground.The report also points out that removing flights from the schedule would be economically beneficial - but the airline turkeys on the recent SEAT review would not vote for Christmas and the idea seems to have been lost."1.80 The current level of runway utilisation at Heathrow is beyond the economic balance point throughout the day and throughout the year. Adding more flights without any change in capacity or the way existing demand is managed will have an economically adverse effect.1.81 Should it be possible to reduce the number of flights the savings in reduced holding costs would still outweigh the benefits lost from those flights at the current balance of demand and capacity."

Tim Henderson ● 5044d