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There are two debates going on here involving the private and the social sector of housing.The problems we have as a country is that we have no land left to build. Some of those causes are because with new medical technology people are living longer. This applied with the great influx of immigration, especially over the last decade, has left us with a mass shortage of housing. In an attempt to be ‘fair to all’, Labour changed its housing policy which included how these existing homes were allocated. They allocated them on the basis of need rather than who was longest on the list. This ‘fair’ system managed to give priority housing to the needy-mainly the immigrants who were arriving with their children. An example of this was seen in the Isle of Dogs, which caused a riot against the Asian population who were allocated new houses whilst families from past generations were left waiting in cramped conditions. In another attempt to be ‘fair’, housing policy allowed those to be moved out of their communities-like needing to move for economic reasons. On the downside though, people can be pushed into moving into another area. These are examples of how housing policy disengaged communities that were able to look after and depend on each other. It has also been a big cause in thinning out our cultural identities.However, if you have 100 people and only 10 homes for instance, one has to find a solution-like it or not-we are at crisis point. The British have been working for some considerable time now with housing designers of the Netherlands-some of the best in the world who design builds with the best use of space in mind. Incentives have been given to those in social housing to free up their homes but that hasn’t been enough. The Conservatives have no intention of forcing people to give up their homes (as been mentioned here, housing law doesn’t allow for that anyway) but a solution would be to allow new tenancies to be flexible in that the tenant agrees to free up their home at a later date if they didn’t need the space any longer. Or if they were financially better off-bit like the Australian models.However, Dawn Hardy made no mention of social housing that was assumed here. And she needed to mention the Labour administration not because of personal biases but because Labour has actually backed a proposal-as stated by Tessa Jowell MP, to ‘tax’ older people out of their-private-homes to free up space for younger generations. She quite shockingly and discriminately agrees with a report that suggests people in their ‘sixties’ should be encouraged by a new land tax to move to smaller homes. This is from a left wing proposal that once again supports the notion of ‘fairness for all’. So Ms Hardy works all her life-to be forced and bullied out of her home-to allow err what...someone else to buy it? Or for the council to buy it back and allocate it to the needy? What an awful strategy. Perhaps Tessa Jowell should look at the thousands of pounds saved by those-especially the over sixties-who child mind their grandchildren so their children can work. Or take in and care for their elderly parents to free up the government cost-or even run a business from home to help the economy.As I am new to this forum, if there are any Cllrs reading this perhaps you can address why you have allocated a four bedroom house to a young mum with one baby? And if Hounslow Homes are not doing their job may I suggest that instead of being fobbed off you might at some point realise it is you who are accountable and could start by applying to the court to claw it back. Ealing council did.It’s seems Ms Hardy got up early after all.

Tracy Moles ● 5040d

There are two debates going on here involving the private and the social sector of housing.The problems we have as a country is that we have no land left to build. Some of those causes are because with new medical technology people are living longer. This applied with the great influx of immigration, especially over the last decade, has left us with a mass shortage of housing. In an attempt to be ‘fair to all’, Labour changed its housing policy which included how these existing homes were allocated. They allocated them on the basis of need rather than who was longest on the list. This ‘fair’ system managed to give priority housing to the needy-mainly the immigrants who were arriving with their children. An example of this was seen in the Isle of Dogs, which caused a riot against the Asian population who were allocated new houses whilst families from past generations were left waiting in cramped conditions. In another attempt to be ‘fair’, housing policy allowed those to be moved out of their communities-like needing to move for economic reasons. On the downside though, people can be pushed into moving into another area. These are examples of how housing policy disengaged communities that were able to look after and depend on each other. It has also been a big cause in thinning out our cultural identities.However, if you have 100 people and only 10 homes for instance, one has to find a solution-like it or not-we are at crisis point. The British have been working for some considerable time now with housing designers of the Netherlands-some of the best in the world who design builds with the best use of space in mind. Incentives have been given to those in social housing to free up their homes but that hasn’t been enough. The Conservatives have no intention of forcing people to give up their homes (as been mentioned here, housing law doesn’t allow for that anyway) but a solution would be to allow new tenancies to be flexible in that the tenant agrees to free up their home at a later date if they didn’t need the space any longer. Or if they were financially better off-bit like the Australian models.However, Dawn Hardy made no mention of social housing that was assumed here. And she needed to mention the Labour administration not because of personal biases but because Labour has actually backed a proposal-as stated by Tessa Jowell MP, to ‘tax’ older people out of their-private-homes to free up space for younger generations. She quite shockingly and discriminately agrees with a report that suggests people in their ‘sixties’ should be encouraged by a new land tax to move to smaller homes. This is from a left wing proposal that once again supports the notion of ‘fairness for all’. So Ms Hardy works all her life-to be forced and bullied out of her home-to allow err what...someone else to buy it? Or for the council to buy it back and allocate it to the needy? What an awful strategy. Perhaps Tessa Jowell should look at the thousands of pounds saved by those-especially the over sixties-who child mind their grandchildren so their children can work. Or take in and care for their elderly parents to free up the government cost-or even run a business from home to help the economy.As I am new to this forum, if there are any Cllrs reading this perhaps you can address why you have allocated a four bedroom house to a young mum with one baby? And if Hounslow Homes are not doing their job may I suggest that instead of being fobbed off you might at some point realise it is you who are accountable and could start by applying to the court to claw it back. Ealing council did.It’s seems Ms Hardy got up early after all.

Tracy Moles ● 5040d

That is absolutely right - where housing is concerned there are no truly 'fair' answers. It is also the case that many people having brought up a family and lived in a house for many years find that they are increasingly unable to cope with the garden, the extra heating bills and the maintenance etc. So it may well be beneficial to downsize. It is also true that the Labour government did not place housing high on its list of priorities, shamefully.And this lot with their attitude will certainly not do anything. The problem is that there is unlikely to be smaller accomodation in the same area thus creating a terrific upheaval and taking people away from their support systems such as long term neighbours and family. On the other hand families stuck in flats must gaze with envy at houses with just one person occupying them. We have a chronic shortage of social housing and really affordable housing, so this seems to be a new way of trying to make sure what is available is used to the best effect. People downsizing use to be offered a financial deal to do so, I have no idea if that is still the case. What I would say is that Hounslow (Hopeless) Homes could help by not letting family houses stand empty for months on end and then telling councillors a load of old bull when they make enquiries as to why this is happening. We have yet another 3 bed family home that has been empty since the end of August boarded up here, some work took place a few weeks ago - since then - nothing. It is not acceptable

Vanessa Smith ● 5040d

Dawn has me at a disadvantage because I have not heard the statement from Tessa Jowell to which she refers, but I would imagine she is talking purely about social housing and it isn't obvious from her posting that Dawn recognises this.Assuming this to be the case this is actually not a new idea.  The Labour Party was toying before the general election with the notion of making it obligatory for *under-occupiers", that is people who are living in social housing in excess of their needs, to downsize and make way for families who may be living in smaller housing in overcrowded conditions.This is a difficult one to get right, and I can genuinely see both sides of the argument.  If a person has lived in their current home for decades, brought up their children there, sunk roots and formed bonds within their local community, it does not seem fair or reasonable, especially when they are old, that they should be made to suddenly up sticks and relocate to some unwelcoming high-rise rabbit hutch at the opposite end of the borough.  On the other hand the raison d'etre of social housing is that it is supposed to be about need, not desire.  In Hounslow the number of people under-occupying is roughly similar to the number of households that are overcrowded.  If everybody who was able to downsize did so the problem of overcrowding would be more or less resolved.  I would imagine a similar situation exists in other boroughs.The present arrangement is that incentives are provided for under-occupiers who wish to move into smaller properties but it is not obligatory for them to do so.  More importantly, as there is no obligation to move the under-occupier is very much in control of the situation, effectively being able to make demands as to the type and location of the property that they are prepared to move to.  This protects them from the prospect of being uprooted from their communities against their will.The change that was being mooted by Labour (I'm not sure whether it actually became party policy) was that as from a certain date new tenancies would be awarded on the understanding that if and when the household no longer required a property of a certain size they would be obligated to vacate it and move to a smaller dwelling.  This was to apply to all new tenancies, not to existing ones (if they had tried to apply it to existing tenancies local authorities could I imagine have been sued by their owed tenants for breach of contract).Like I say, neither the current set-up nor the proposed new one is without pain, and there is no "right" solution to this problem.  But I don't believe that demonising an individual or a party for taking one view with honest intentions particularly helps the debate.

Phil Andrews ● 5040d