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New housing development Windmill Road

It was with great disappointment I read the Vicar’s piece on the website about the proposed Windmill Road development.  It is astonishing how so many people can be whipped into action to try and stop new housing development when it is on their own doorstep.  How many of these people who have these “No to Reynard Mills” stickers in their windows actually live anywhere near the development?  I live in Windmill Road and my back garden looks out on a horrible brick wall that obliterates sunshine into my little back garden in the summer.  It also shades all kinds of dodgy goings-on in the back alley behind my house.  I would dearly love it to be replaced by people in houses.The people who want to stop the new development quote the change to the skyline as a reason for stopping it.  Has anyone looked at the skyline recently?  We are surrounded by tall buildings that make the entrance to West London along the M4 look like a twenty first century city.  Do you think one more is going to make that look bad?  I don’t think so.Another objection:  queues for doctors’ surgeries.  I work in the NHS and I know that the queue to get an appointment at a given practice is not because of the demand from new people coming in but because the doctors’ surgery is unable to properly manage its list and too greedy to say “No” to new patients.  Only a few weeks ago we were leafleted by a new GP surgery at the Brentford health centre that is looking for new patients.  There is choice.The traffic flow along Windmill Road has long been a problem.  Even with the zebra crossing put in a few years ago near the Globe pub, the traffic is still too fast out of rush hour.  We have fatal accidents waiting to happen.  Both Ealing and Hounslow Councils have done little to address this.  Regulated traffic junctions in and out of the proposed development will certainly help control the traffic flow, a plus for the development.As long as the new development provides enough car parking spaces for the homes proposed, the council considers improved traffic control, and Thames Water attends to the problems with sewerage and drainage, I welcome the new development and just wish that the perpetrators of all this nimbyism, xenophobia and hysteria would stop giving people invalid information about the management of GP practice lists, how planning permission is or is not obtained, blaming the greed of Thames Water on developers.  It would be a better use of their time to lobby for Thames Water to attend to the rotten drainage problems in Brentford, surely, whether or not any new developments are proposed.I would have thought the Vicar would welcome more people into her church.

Lesley Foote ● 4971d30 Comments

To respond to Claire about affordable housing, at the time 50% affordable was the desired 'target' for new developments as set out in the then adopted version of the London Plan.  However, that target wasn't written in stone, and the policies concerned went on to stress that the precise percentage sought for each site could be affected by market conditions/development viability, site circumstances or the nature of the proposals (e.g. a proposal might provide less than 50% affordable housing but other 'gains' like commercial floorspace etc.).50% was never a realistic target, even less so after the way the economic has gone in recent years, and the most recently adopted (July 2011) version of the London Plan does away with stating an exact percentage target for affordable housing altogether.In answer to George I agree, often there is not a right or wrong answer when it comes to planning matters, many of the aspects that need to be assessed as part of an application are, to varying extent, based upon subjective judgements.The S106 system isn't great, whether the CIL regs will be any better remains to be seen.  I don't agree about the 'behind closed doors' thing because Council planning meetings are public meetings and thus major applications are determined in public.  It's important to stress that the vast majority of both private sector and public sector planners are Members of the Royal Town Planning Institute and are thus required to comply with the appropriate code of conduct, something that I take seriously as my career/professional reputation is pretty important to me !.Whilst I agree that there is plenty of room for improvement in the way Councils are run, as a generalisation I only see a steady decline, and my personal view is that Councils need to operate more like businesses.

Adam Beamish ● 4964d

I think Adam you run the risk of being accused of relying on the authority of experience. But you probably would be the first to acknowledge that there are other professionals equally well experienced who may disagree with you.I have read the vicars’ views. She can say what she likes and it is a good thing that community leaders do speak up. If you summarise what she has said, it is that she asks for us to emphasize with and care about the quality of life in the neighbourhood. That is partly what vicars have always done and she is well qualified and has an abundance of authority to speak under this heading - and more so than a bunch of self interested developers and concealed planners. She may know more about the Bible than you do but that does not prevent you from having well argued different views – especially in her case which is about a belief system. Even though ye may not be a trained theologian, your views regarding the Bible actually may be more realistic. You might do better in a pulpit than you ever envisaged! But a first sermon might be difficult if it were to challenge received wisdom.In my view there are a lot of things wrong with the S.106 system. There is an insufficient vehicle for the community to have its views made AND followed when planning is applied for. How the S.106 money, collected over the years, is allocated is also a mystery and again has too little input from the community.What goes on behind closed doors IS a reasonable accusation however properly the various parties behave. That is because there are no proper Minutes which are published of such meetings. What happens in Cabinet Scrutiny and at Council meetings is also a mystery because there is no equivalent of Hansard style reporting. The Council is not a private company.There is plenty of room for improvement in the way Councils are run. Let’s face it, just in the same way as in National Government, Councils are the servants of the people managing our money and making decisions which often the community does not like. But there is insufficient evidence that they think that is what they are - or that they do what we want them to do.

George Knox ● 4964d

One of the problems in looking at how Section 106 monies (so-called planning gains from developers) has been spent in Brentford is that much of the spending has gone on fairly obscure items. Some examples I recall:1) Watermans Arts Centre was originally a planning gain from a Lesser Land office development next door. Further monies in the vicinity paid for the contentious extension to Watermans and the creation of Watermans Park along the river.2) St John's Primary obtained its new buildings through a land swap that eventually produced the TVU high rise on the old school site.3) The new Piano Museum was paid for by the housing developed around it.4) The improvements of Brentford Station were financed from the Glaxo development on the Great West Road.5) Funds from a number of GWR developments have been ploughed into Gunnersbury Park over the years.6) Large sums have been obtained from a number of developments over the years to fund consultations on controlled parking.The one area where funds have tended to be lacking is for schools. However, there have been surplus primary school places in Brentford for a number of years, and in the past the Lionel Road school reduced its intakes. (I think this has now been reversed.) Some funds were invested in Brentford School for Girls, though I do not believe it received the priority it should have in recent years.The main problem for local people is the lack of secondary places for boys in Brentford. The issue that has constantly plagued the educational planners has been finding a suitable and large site for a new secondary in the area.

John Connelly ● 4965d

Claire, in response to your final paragraph much as it rather embarrasses me to start a post in this way, do you know who I am or my professional background ?.Where do I start ? - Head of Planning Enforcement for several years at various Councils, including Hounslow, Taylor Wimpey's Planning Manager for the entire Greater London region, and most recently/currently a planning consultant acting on behalf of both developers and third parties on a plethora of cases.  So forgive me for laughing out loud at your suggestion that my understanding of legal agreements is 'naive'...I'll openly admit however that if you told me to take the pulpit and spread the word of God then I'd be struggling ;-)To get back 'on track' and to answer various posts, I actually concur (I do sometimes feel that people forget that I'm actually a human being who lives in the Borough and experiences the same things as the rest of us in terms of difficulties getting a GP appointment etc.) with what's been said about how the financial sums paid often don't appear to direct benefit the immediate locality.  However, my point is that such matters relate to how a Council distributes its 'pot' of money, and shouldn't be in some way used as the basis for a planning objection against a developer's proposals.Secondly, in response to the quote you have lifted from my previous post, I did follow it by acknowledging that the vicar would claim to be speaking on behalf of her community.  , so not quite sure where you're coming from.Thirdly, the public forum thing.  Correct me if I'm wrong but the vicar didn't post her views on this forum, but those views were the subject of a front page article produced by people who run this site.  I'm not aware of any other member of the public or any organisation who's been given the same platform.  I posted a similar criticism of this website on a completely unrelated matter (the Billy Wells scrap metal alleged theft story) when the site moderators published an article from the Times which made some serious allegations about a local individual and yet the moderators had apparently made absolutely no effort to balance the story by seeking out a response/comment from the individual.  In my view that's biased and lazy journalism (and just to bring us full circle I also worked part-time for 8 years as a sports journalist !!!).

Adam Beamish ● 4965d

"...if the Council consider that the scheme is acceptable the developers would have to pay large financial contributions to the Council relating to infrastructure matters such as education provision, healthcare needs etc..."How many new schools or GP surgeries have opened in Brentford in the last decade due to these large financial contributions? My son goes to school just round the corner from this proposed site and every inch of land has been converted into a tower block for TVU. The last thing this particular area needs is yet another high rise. The opposition against these plans is not that housing will be built, it's the magnitude of the proposal and the effect that will have on the surrounding areas, which seems extremely valid. "That's what particularly irks me about the article, here's someone who knows very little about planning peddling out several objections that simply aren't relevant and using their position to unintentionally delude their flock..."It is her position to speak for her community. Whether you (or her flock) agree or not is your choice (and theirs) but to represent the feelings of their community is an important role for anyone in the clergy whatever religion they represent. It could be argued that your understanding of what is actually brokered between the Council and private developers when agreeing planning permission is somewhat naive, yet you have voiced your opinion - to which you are entitled - on a public forum, so why can't she, using whatever forum she decides?

Claire Peleschka ● 4965d