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Hamilton Road C.P.Z. to happen!

Over the 20+ years that I've lived in Brentford the issue of creating controlled parking zones (CPZ) in the streets around the football ground has been something approaching an bi-annual event. Having lived in both Lateward & Hamilton roads, I have watched many times as this old chestnut is trotted out only for the residents to kick it where it belongs..into the long grass. In my opinion a CPZ creates a range of problems for the residents of the street concerned, it is an open ended means for the regulating authority to levy excessive charges on car owners. The neighbouring streets will probably also have to take up their own 'exclusive' CPZ as the parking pressure builds. Friends & family will have to find other places to park during the restricted period. At the moment the parking in Hamilton road is free & generally fine. We knew there was a football ground here when we bought our houses & it seems to me very anti-social & un-friendly to deny the Bees supporters a couple of hours parking near Griffin park on a match day.

Stephen Keogh ● 4764d53 Comments

This was exactly the reason Isleworth residents round ' The Grid' off St John's Rd rejected their CPZ. The only people who benefit are housewives doing the school run who come back and find commuters have taken their space-these don't comprise the majority of residents,hence frequent rejections of schemes.

Ian Speed ● 4745d

Sorry to say but if you think a CPZ is going to get you a parking space outside your home or even in your street, you are fooling yourself.Only one street in this area has off street parking and that is for just a small number of residences, all the others have the same problems as Hamilton road.The difference is that Hamilton road houses are larger than in the other streets and have bigger households and thus more cars per household.Not the fault of the commuters or other residents that there are too many cars  for the street.The blunt fact is there are more residents cars than spaces and that will not change with a CPZ.All that will change is the street will be devoid of commuters cars during the day when many residents are at work- hence spaces.I have lived in a CPZ near a station and yes it made the streets easy to park in -if you happen to be around during the day.But after 7.30pm it was the same as it ever was. Only worse as yellow lines and other restrictions came in with the CPZ and reduced further the space available.This will be the same for Hamilton Road.  Only the division it will create will mean Hamilton road residents parking their cars in other streets to either evade a permit or because they still can't park, will be far from welcome.In other places where this has happened, it has become a regular feature of finding ones car with 4 flat tyres, keyed paintwork and worse, such is the anger stirred up.Don't think the charges won't get hiked either. Just take a short walk into South Ealing and ask what residents think about the 67% hike in permits last year and the 48% hike for this coming year - or the £5 a day visitors permits with no concessions for the old or infirm.This is in spite of the fact that a previous administration wrote in stone that the CPZs would be a resident led service and never be used as a revenue raiser. 6 years on that is now a folklore myth.Think too, about those who rely on visitors, the elderly and lonely. CPZs have put a lot of older people off visiting by car and taking elderly out for visits.Simply because wardens ticket them in the few minutes it can take to collect a  frail person and get them into a car.See what happens when a slightly senile person tries to find or fill in a visitors permit. See the distress it causes when a ticket gets issued as a consequence.That is really good for a 'caring' community. You and I will be paying for something that will bring no benefit unless you are at home in the dayWould you pay for an empty bottle of milk? Because that is what we will get.

Michael Brandt ● 4745d

I wholeheartedly agree with Arbel. Very well put and very valid points.

Niall MacAonghusa ● 4746d

Along with the majority of Hamilton Road I am strongly in favour of CPZ.I am surprised  by a fundamental misunderstanding of several contributors.It was not the council which imposed this scheme,it was the residents who requested it.We were neither invited nor compelled to take the initial steps towards establishing a view of the road.For those who fear that once imposed costs of the annual parking will soar,they need only reflect on the increase in prices across the borough to know that is not a valid concern.There has also been something of a knee jerk reaction to the perceived evils of CPZ.Can it be accepted that parking problems are going to get worse.At what point does it become intolerable?Why do people campaign for the rights of people who live outside the borough or indeed nearby roads to park  in our street for days/weeks when we ourselves cannot park?Isn't it also the case that no neighbourhood has ever asked the scheme to be withdrawn once in place?The majority of Hamilton Road residents in favour of CPZ in 2010 was small and the size of that majority is now significant.If as has been suggested there is a concerted effort to undermine the outcome of that vote,then it would be a very sad development.Since when did we become selective about democratic results?Neither is it conducive to good community relations when residents known to be anti CPZ seek to reserve a parking place (with cones,car manoeuvring or otherwise) outside their houses.There may have been a valid argument about a larger community vote but with the gradual increase of CPZ in nearby roads that opportunity is long gone.Hamilton Road can be distinguished from other roads in that it effectively has no off street parking.It is unsurprising the votes in the 2010 consultation produced the results they did.My own view is that it is inevitable that CPZ will be introduced across the area. Nobody wants to pay to park in their street but it is now a feature of living in a city like London.

Arbel Jones ● 4746d

Can we have your and the Council's response to all these points?And, with my conspiracy theory head, on why was your "Hamilton Road CPZ" announcement only in the front news on this site for a couple of days before it disappeared?  Hoping it all gets implemented before other Brentford residents know it's happening?

Reg Ghosh ● 4746d

The CPZ implementation has been going on because that is the council's plan to slowly ring fence as many roads as possible into introducing a CPZ. You only have to look at the profits other Council's have tried and tested to see the plan working. There will be no surprise if the current proposed cost of parking doubles within a few years. The council have never answered my question of why they are doing this on a road-by-road basis, apart from one young council employee at a public CPZ display who said they would never get it passed any other way!If residents think this will guarantee a place to park you maybe wrong, the bays reduce the space for parking and what if there are more resident’s cars than the street can accommodate?The reason as I remember the previous consultation never went ahead was the out poring of anti CPZ residents and the trouble they would have getting it through the Statutory Consultation phase. Matt Harmer has already told me this as the council defence against CPZ's for making money. But failed to explain why the planning is done on a road-by-road procedure, when this obviously affects all of us - eventually. Hence my opinion this is another tax to be imposed one way or another.If the council could show a proper planned Zone for the whole area of Brentford like they have with the station, with properly and well thought out traffic flow then I would happily vote either way until then they will continue hiding behind the excuse that it's what the people want on a road by road basis. The council is not on our side here otherwise why would they carry out such a flawed plan this is not good for everyone in the neighbourhood. Isn’t that what the council is for? The best for everyone not just a few.But a lot of councils are introducing CPZ via this slow blackmailing way of creeping CPZ's and proving what a money-spinner it is by creating CPZ’s road-by-road, I feel we have no chance of ever stopping this.This CPZ just causes division, upset and increased danger to our surrounding roads.

Alan Branch ● 4748d

It wasn't, and has never been, a case of voting 'yes'. It's not a democratic process - the 'vote' is simply a consultation at which people indicate their support for a CPZ or otherwise - the final decision rests with the council's planning committee. Which sometimes takes notice of the consultation and sometimes doesn't. It's a small point, but needs to be taken into account.The 'offloading of the other new CPZs' has been going on for years - certainly since I moved into the area in 2002. It's just reached breaking point now, where even those who didn't support a CPZ and never would have realised there is no merit in being the last bit of free parking in a borough of CPZs.I really don't think the Council is bright enough (apologies to Matt, if he's listening) to have come up with an evil scheme to raise funds through subtly forcing people to ask for CPZs for which they can charge. And if that is the Council's plan, then no-one informed the planning committee in 2010, when they rejected a CPZ in Griffin Park out of hand. The cost associated with a CPZ (arbitrary though it is, I agree) is there to pay for enforcement and monitoring. It's not a tax. (That being said - the quality of the recently-painted double yellows on Hamilton Road leaves something to be desired, and a sleeping traffic warden has been spotted in The Butts, so maybe the money could be better spent.)I don't like the idea of paying to park, but, if that's what it takes to keep the commuters and the LGVs at bay, to give me a chance at parking on the street, then so be it. We live in 21st century London - paying for something that used to be free is the norm. Anyone would think the council was going to keep the money for themselves and have a nice Christmas Party with it.Finally, Hamilton Road is now officially divided. There's a leafletting campaign going on, but they're avoiding the houses known to be pro CPZ. A rearguard action is being fought. We'll be like the Crips and the Bloods soon (or the Sharks and the Jets, for those of a certain age) wearing identifying insignia and having organised 'rumbles' down near the Royal Oak. *sigh*

Jeremy Probert ● 4748d

I spoke to a friend who had to vote yes to the CPZ this time because of the offloading of the other new CPZ's..there was no choice.Looks like the council plan is working, within a year or two the cost of parking a car down Hamilton road will rise, other roads will be drawn in and then they will rise again.http://neilherron.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/how-many-councils-have-illegal-cpzs-how.htmlThis is just one of many sites that have been through CPZ hell by councils that are determined to tax you for parking your car in Brentford.

Alan Branch ● 4748d

pathetic

Bernadette Paul ● 4749d

Thanks for the explanations folks. However I disagree that the chances for residents to park with the CPZ will not change. The number of cars competing for parking will become smaller. Even without 24 hours a day CPZ.The “host of restrictions” have already happened – the new double yellow lines have been introduced in the area.I’m not sure if indeed Hamilton Road has more residents cars than it can accommodate, but the correct solution would be to introduce CPZ not just in Hamilton Road, just as I wrote before, in the whole area between Ealing Road, Albany Road, Half Acre, Windmill Road and railway. This is the only solution that can somehow improve residents parking as there is no potential for offstreet parking (except for Clifden Road).The implementation of a CPZ is a different issue. And I do agree that “A simple CPZ is a sticker with ones council tax annually for each car registered and free visitors permits for each council tax paying household.And a No Commuter Zone.”

Alex Shpinkov ● 4750d

Anthony thanks this is exactly why they rejected a CPZ in the 'grid' roads off St John's Rd in Isleworth - parking there is far worse at night than during the day.

Ian Speed ● 4750d

Mick is absolutely correct. You will end up paying for something that you already have and there will be no difference.Unless the CPZ is 24hours a day, The streets will still be full at night which is when residents most want to park.It will be just the same with a CPZ because all those residents will be entitled to a permit will still be filling the streets up at night.In fact it will be worse because with the CPZ comes a host of restrictions which actually reduce the total of available parking.So as Hamilton Road has more residents cars than it can accommodate, where will they be parking?This sounds like a whim for the stay at home mums who drive everywhere and don't want to walk more than 50m to their cars.A simple CPZ is a sticker with ones council tax annually for each car registered and free visitors permits for each council tax paying household.And a No Commuter Zone.If it's not about milking the residents then go after and milk the commuters.Ah ! But it's so much easier to screw the local residents.

Anthony Waller ● 4751d

I imagine they won't change much at all. The main difference is that I will be paying through the nose for something I have done for 20 years for free!

Mick Brent ● 4751d

Mick, do you think that once CPZ is introduced your chances to park will get slimmer?

Alex Shpinkov ● 4752d

"Seems to me some people wont be happy until the whole of Brentford is one giant CPZ with everyone having to cough up in the hope of being able to park closer to their front doors.  It wont cure the problem and it will cost you all money.  Be careful what you wish for.  I have family who live in CPZs and it hasn't stopped them getting fines for a multitude of misdemeanours not to mention the cost of visitor permits and fines to their visitors.  Councils everywhere rubbing their hands.  Good luck."Couldn't agree more Bernadette. I don't believe that CPZs have much to do with parking - merely revenue maximisation. Luckily my road isn't (yet) under consideration for a CPZ, but when it does I will fight against it as hard as I can!

Mick Brent ● 4752d

"and the blatantly Daily Mail (please please think about the children you're going to injure with your CPZ)."I don't read the daily mail or write for them, it's a simple honest observation of the increased danger to all of the public by displaced traffic, and parking caused by wrongly implemented and poorly planned traffic management. I have witnessed a child get hit by a car and have 3 children my self, my comment is not meant to be offensive or alarmist just an honest opinion of my growing concern of the local governments poor handling of this. Think of St Pauls School in Lateward Road or the many other area's where young children are running for busses first thing in the morning.I am not for or against a CPZ in Hamilton Road I'm simply pointing out planning a CPZ on a street by street basis is fundamentally wrong! It doesn't even adhere to the guidelines laid out in the traffic management act it seems. Why can't the local government have a proper traffic flow and CPZ plan for the whole neighbourhood rather than this rather underhand and disruptive and dangerous process of one street at a time!

Alan Branch ● 4752d

Well said.... Think you are spot on there...

Saul Whitmore ● 4752d

I am delighted that the CPZ is being introduced, and have no objection to anyone parking on Hamilton Road from surrounding roads. If the CPZ eases the commuter parking problem and free's up spaces for all of us during the day, that can only be a good thing. But perhaps I am just a moron, but at least,I am now a moron who may be able to park somewhere nearby! I am afraid there is no solution to the problem that will be acceptable to all of us. I am saddened that it has caused so much ill feeling amongst friends and neighbours.

Niall MacAonghusa ● 4752d

Seems to me some people wont be happy until the whole of Brentford is one giant CPZ with everyone having to cough up in the hope of being able to park closer to their front doors.  It wont cure the problem and it will cost you all money.  Be careful what you wish for.  I have family who live in CPZs and it hasn't stopped them getting fines for a multitude of misdemeanours not to mention the cost of visitor permits and fines to their visitors.  Councils everywhere rubbing their hands.  Good luck.

Bernadette Paul ● 4753d

Well I think the only answer now is to implement a CPZ  throughout the Griffin Park Area, because once Hamilton Rd gets one, then the knock on effect of the "non residents" parking will be chaotic at best.

Saul Whitmore ● 4753d

A fair point - I had forgotten that Lateward was with Hamilton in expressing interest in a CPZ. I believe the argument that was made in 2010 - which is that Hamilton could be included as an extension of the Brentford station CPZ, while Lateward could not, thus contributing to the council's 'no' decision - may still stand now, unfortunately.

Jeremy Probert ● 4753d

Jeremy, I lean in favour of most of what you say. Although with regards to your ... as ye sow, so shall ye reap point, I disagree .....the road I live in Lateward Rd, back in 2010 voted in favour of a CPZ, however due to the council taking the area as one i.e Griffin Park, single roads were not counted on their own standing. Now the Council have opted to look at road for road, we shall see what happens next.

Saul Whitmore ● 4753d

Simply put, there has been a full, proper and transparent consultation with a large majority vote for CPZ from Hamilton Road residents.As other roads within the area have moved slowly to CPZ, Hamilton Road, as the front line, has had to increasingly bear the brunt of commuters and also residents from other CPZ roads who prefer to park free here. Meanwhile less saturated roads sit behind us. Let us have the right to make our own decisions. Regarding safety, nothing can be worse than the current 'race for a space' that occurs on work day mornings. Yes, the majority of residents in Hamilton Road have had enough and remember it is only 1 hour a day.Out of interest I have not seen any reaction to the move of many roads north of the A4 to CPZ - why pick on Hamilton Road?

Janet Haines ● 4753d

I'd like to echo the sentiments expressed in the last post. I feel the use of Hamilton Road as a commuter/holiday/football/don't want to pay for a permit in my own street car park undoubtedly contributes to the volume and velocity of cars in this narrow street.With two young children, the desire to park close to home is neither capricious nor moronic, but a primarily a true need to ensure their safety on what is an incredibly busy rat run of a road both in summer and during icy winters and secondly to make life a good deal easier when rushing around doing errands with young children.As it has been underlined, the trial period is for one hour per day- hardly a huge impact to Hamilton Road residents and their visitors.What has saddened me the most has been the vitriolic response of some of the anti-CPZ residents. I know of at least two anti-CPZ residents who find it reasonable to impose unilateral CPZs outside their own homes should they have building work being carried out or just want to reserve their own parking space (with a bin and wooden plank!) I am certain the whole road would see many benefits from the introduction of a CPZ and for my part am absolutely for it.

Jacqueline McBeth ● 4753d

Jeremy I take your points- I am not very familiar with your road but I believe it is largely without off street parking and these are the type of roads which would probably benefit from a CPZ providing residents support it.

Ian Speed ● 4753d

I don't know what Hamilton Road Mr Keogh is living in but it is certainly not the one where I reside.  Parking is 'fine'?  Three times this week I have been unable to park here and have had to park as far away as Braemar Road.  I can't wait for the CPZ.

Robert Parkhill ● 4753d

One of the reasons why I - as a resident of Hamilton Road - am in favour of a CPZ is because I have three children who walk to school each morning and are at real risk of being mown down by the commuters who wait at the top of the road and then speed down hell for leather when a space becomes available. Obviously, the residents of adjacent roads were not thinking about the kids on Hamilton Road when they responded to the 2010 consultation on a CPZ.Let's also remember that this is a one-hour-a-day CPZ. What it does is stop commuters and people with vehicles they either can't park in their own roads, or don't because they haven't got a permit. Light goods vehicles mostly. A one-hour-a-day CPZ does not stop short stay parking, or visitors to local residents.CPZs are being implemented elsewhere in the borough at a rate of knots. This is displacing traffic into our roads, and causing the dramatic worsening of the situation in Hamilton Road. It is going to continue. We all had a say in 2010, but roads other than Hamilton, which were maybe less affected at the time, indicated they didn't want a CPZ. Now these same residents are seeing it's a problem, and are starting to worry about traffic on their streets. Sorry people - as ye sow, so shall ye reap.Finally - I'm just a little bit taken aback by some of the comments here. The direct ('morons') and the indirect (something about our CPZ stopping wage-earners and taxpayers parking when they use the station - so we, the residents, are workshy tax-dodgers, is that what's being said?) and the blatantly Daily Mail (please please think about the children you're going to injure with your CPZ).It's a parking scheme. It will mitigate against the increasing parking problems we have on Hamilton Road. It will not solve the problems. I will not be able to park outside my house. But it will be better.If everyone else wants that, then - as I say - there was a chance in 2010 and it was rejected.

Jeremy Probert ● 4753d

Very good point about the Butts - there should be a scheme where local LBH residents only can buy a roamer pass to park in underused roads like this,and in Osterley & Spring Grove.

Ian Speed ● 4753d

To local residents of Hamilton road whom may love the idea of a CPZ , think of the increased possibility of a child being injured in a road accident in an adjacent road because of cars fighting over parking spaces.If we are to have a CPZ area lets plan it properly and all vote.There is a good paper by the government called the "Operational Guidance to Local Authorities as part of the Parking Policy and Enforcement Traffic Managment Act 2004.A few lines of this are completely opposite to Hounslow Councils handling of their CPZ's . 4.4  The appraisal should take account of: existing and predicted levels of demand for parking;the availability and pricing of on- and off-street parking places; the justification for, and accuracy of, existing traffic orders;Operational Guidance – March 2008• impact on traffic flow, i.e. traffic or congestion outcomes. parking restrictions are there for good reasons – to improve safety, prevent congestion, ensure a fair distribution of parking spaces, and help reduce pollution.

Alan Branch ● 4753d

I have just learnt of this awful decision, once again we are harrased by the local council and it's persistent poor planing with regards to CPZ implementation. So 61% of Hamilton road were asked a large proportion said yes.The question is is this legal or in fact fair to consult and implement road by road to a town like Brentford. I think anyone with an ounce of planing can see this is ridiculous, the impact on the surround area's will increase traffic flow and danger to the public.According to this paper by Andrew Nye of Hounslow Council http://democraticservices.hounslow.gov.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=72664Part 3.7 says "The consultation will ‘run’ for 21 days during which objections or representations to the proposals can be made in writing."So I urge everyone to write in to complain about this CPZ, the basis of any CPZ should be on a town wide or certain radius around area's like the station. Trying to squeeze in a CPZ on a road by road consolation is underhand and not in the interest of local residents of Brentford.  Most of the problems we have already is because of the huge area's of the Butts that sits empty every day!

Alan Branch ● 4753d

I can't comment on Hamilton Road but certainly the 2 CPZs in Osterley and Spring Grove respectively have just indulged oversensitive residents and the council's parking managers - in this area most of the CPZ roads have offstreet parking and the result is huge swathes of empty CPZ spaces near the tube or WT College respectively whilst local commuters living some distance from the stations(ie wealth generators and taxpayers) have nowhere to park.

Ian Speed ● 4756d

That's not the point Tony. If there is no CPZ - one can park. And it's fair. And in order to protect residents ability to park CPZ needs to be introduced.

Alex Shpinkov ● 4758d

Tony that's the point I was making earlier... The parking situation will become chaotic.... the only way it will work now, is if the remaining roads petition for their own CPZ

Saul Whitmore ● 4758d

But whose houses are you going to park outside when you want to go somewhere other than the supermarkets and your own CPZ area, will you feel guilty parking in a non CPZ? I hope so but doubt it.

Tony Wood ● 4758d

Cannot agree more Lesley!

Alex Shpinkov ● 4758d

First, some corrections to what has gone before.1.Hamilton Road voted in favour of CPZ at the last consultation in 2010.2.There was nothing shady or corrupt about this recent vote. Every household was sent a Questionnaire (with a stamped address envelope)and given ample time to respond. 3.Of the 61% who voted ( a very high turnout)74% were in favour of CPZ (are we all "pathetic morons"?)4. Save perhaps at weekends, parking in Hamilton Road is far from free and easy. It has become a bumper to bumper car park for short and long term commuters and those who live nearby who chose not to buy their own CPZ permits. This is not about wanting to reserve a space outside our properties but about being prepared to pay for the expectation of a parking spot in the same road as we live. Is that so unreasonable?

Lesley Mitchell ● 4758d

Now that Hamilton Road has been granted a CPZ.  I don't think there is any other option.... The remaining roads will have to follow suit or it will just be chaos........

Saul Whitmore ● 4759d

Certainly people who think that CPZ will make parking problems for residents worse are not morons.

Alex Shpinkov ● 4759d

Peace and harmony at last!

Niall MacAonghusa ● 4759d

Griffin Park has been there long before any of us, and if you are stupid enough to move here without realising that about 24 days a year you will find it difficult to park then you must be a moron.If they could guarantee a parking space outside of my housewhnever I wanted I would be in favour of CPZ's, but they guarantee you nothing, except a bill.

paul wilson ● 4760d

An interesting debate on the CPZ question..My family have lived in Hamilton road for over 6 years & only rarely find it difficult to park near our house on week days & weekends. Of course home match days can be tricky..but like I said, the griffin park ground has been there for decades & I think we should just learn to live with it. Once the CPZ is bought in for Hamilton Rd & Westbury place all the surrounding roads will be forced to take it up as well & parking will be restricted to your own road due to the various permits issued. The last time our road was balloted about this it was roundly defeated..I can only assume that the recent ballot where it got passed was arranged quickly to catch the majority of the residents off guard & get it passed on a minority vote. Clifden, Brook, New & Lateward Roads beware!!

Stephen Keogh ● 4762d

One other thing- if, as is entirely possible, the council issues more permits than there are parking spaces, where can you leave your car? In the next CPZ, where you'll be fined. Again.

Mark Gormley ● 4762d

They displace parking into the surrounding streets, which end up as CPZs whether the residents want them or not. Eventually, the whole area will have parking controls- which is fine, until you have to dash for a pint of milk, or whatever, when you don't have time to walk. Tradesmen, builders and deliveries can't stop. Residents who forget to renew their permits will be fined- not everybody's perfect at remembering these things. Finally, don't even think about parking an inch over a white line- or you'll pay for it.The experience of residents in Grove Park seems to suggest the Council is determined to enforce CPZs everywhere. If you trust them to be acting in your best interests, then do support it. Personally, I have my doubts.

Mark Gormley ● 4762d

Mark, so are you saying that residents will not benefit from CPZ? Why? What are the disadvantages?As for the Bees - be realistic, they are not moving anywhere in the next 10 years at least.

Alex Shpinkov ● 4762d

I've also recently moved into the area- from Chiswick, as it happens. Personally, I plan to object. While I don't believe CPZs, as such, are revenueraising exercises, they only benefit a few people- and cause unending hassle to everybody else. One thing I'm sure of- if the Bees do move from GriffinPark, the CPZ will stay. And the charge for a permit will never go down

Mark Gormley ● 4762d

Well I hope the council will get back to the Griffin Park CPZ. Parking is getting really tight and not just on match days. And there are lots of parked cars that don't belong to residents.And I still do not see any reason why would residents object it.

Alexander Shpinkov ● 4763d

Steven - who says it's going to happen?  I thought residents voted againsta a Griffin Park CPZ around 18 months ago, which is why the council put all the double yellow lines on street corners to get back at them?

Reg Ghosh ● 4763d

Sensitive subject CPZ’s, just look at the postings about Grove Park/Strand on the Green on the ChiswickW4 site.... I have recently moved to Brentford from Acton where I was very happy to be within a CPZ. Rapidly introduced after my neighbouring borough brought one in just over the road which caused real overflow problems in my street. My permit cost £75, visitor vouchers £3 a day, but all worthwhile.My new place has its own parking so I have to say that a CPZ would not affect me but as it is very close to Griffin Park I was surprised to find no local CPZ, and parking was tight on local roads, lunchtime-ish when I visited  a couple of times. Unlike Grove Park the houses do not have the space for off street parking, which reduces street parking. So I am puzzled as to why a CPZ close to the ground or train station is not current.Yes, a CPZ could mean an overflow impact but the timings could be judged to match games and I am sure that the GWQ development will not have enough  parking for all their flats, which when built out may have an impact on Hamilton Rd and south......IMHO,  CPZ is worth thinking about,  but I am only an incomer........Iain

Iain Muir ● 4763d

I mean CPZ OPof course - damn ipad(((

Alexander Shpinkov ● 4763d

Thanks Tony. Fraid this makes me the biggest supporter of SPZ.

Alexander Shpinkov ● 4763d

I suppose that taken to it's logical conclusion i.e. all streets in LBH are CPZs the only places you'll be able to park will be "somewhere" near your house and Tescos,Morrisons etc. Great if that's what you need.

Tony Wood ● 4764d

So what are the disadvantages of SPZ? Apart from the annual fee?

Alexander Shpinkov ● 4764d

I couldn't agree with you more but of course there will always be those that will seemingly be deleriously happy to pay for what they perceive to be the key to parking just exactly outside their house.  I think they are pathetic morons that will come to regret this in due course but of course once it happens it will not go away and as you say many other streets in the area will follow suit.  The only winners are the council.

Bernadette Paul ● 4764d