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ah, so are we now getting to the crux of the opposition - because the garden around the small mansion is the most pleasing whilst the rest of the park is 'bleak', 'scrappy'? If the only alternatives people can put forward are wedding venues/tea dances for the elderly or, sheltered housing for the elderly don't you think that, for security reasons parts of that very same park would be closed off?  If I was hiring a wedding venue I wouldn't want my photos to be blighted by someone stooping to pick up dog poo in the background? I wouldn't want uninvited 'guests' staring into the ballroom whilst having my wedding breakfast or evening entertainment...or coming in and stealing gifts or disrupting proceedings.  My elderly relatives have lived in sheltered housing and most definitely do not want members of the public milling around - getting into those places usually involves CCTV, and an almost 'pat down' before entrance is allowed. Tea dances?  How many other halls are there in both Ealing and Hounslow that are sorely in need of activities like those that could provide an income?  The small mansion needs so much money spent on the physical structure - and H&S would crawl all over it if it was to be hired out for music and dancing activities etc - would a 2hr tea dance income really cover the upkeep and renovation of the building, and the cost of the caretaker and cleaners who would have to be employed?Please, if alternative suggestions are made, can we make them sensible (and financially viable ones)?

Andrea Hall ● 4669d

I totally concur with all you have said on the state of Gunnersbury park.It has been going down hill for decades.That said as a kid some of the derelict bits were the best places locally for me and my mates to play in as it was for loads of other kids too. Even riding bikes round a drained pond with just rainwater was great fun.The main open part of the park is rather bleak but it is the area around the Mansion that is the most interesting and diverse and is the heart and soul of the park.There is no reason why it cannot be a small conference centre, or a wedding reception. even a honeymoon and guest rooms. As long as it remains something that anyone can use.A light music venue, tea dances, stuff for senior citizens. Even if the area was fenced off slightly so it could be closed for small events but open the rest of the time. But to lose it for 200 years and for it to become a premium venue just leaves me cold. As was mentioned, it runs down the road of Apartheid of wealth and that's letting greed win.But I too hate to see the state it is in. But I've kept a close eye on things going on in particular since the developments in Lionel Road were proposed.So far I've not seen anything but a lot of intellectual guff and political money solutions presented.I'm sure thee are a host of good ideas and initiatives out there but they either fall on deaf ears or get shot down by the constant political games that both Hounslow and Ealing councils have played for far too long.I would be happy if the mansion became a care home or sheltered housing ( I prefer Almshouses as a word) for the elderly of the immediate district.Something that there is already an acute shortage of and with an increasing older population will be needed just as much as schools at the other end of the scale.I don't think small children need a mansion to learn in. How well a school is run creates the best learning environment. Even a leaky old victorian school can be an excellent school if it is well run. There's a primary/junior school right in the middle of Soho, crammed in to a tiny space. But it is a brilliant school with a mix of kids but it's activities and staff make it outstanding.I think the whole park should be turned over to a wholly separate body who will run it as a public park with it's original charter.Plenty do but it's clear Hounslow and Ealing are too inept.The City of London Corporation have several parks and open spaces some well out of London. But they are all well kept and well run.

Michael Brandt ● 4669d

Of course it's beneficial to Alpha Plus Group. They will be able to hike the fees and market the school as some perfect idyllic utopia. Lovely for all those Masie's and Jemimah's before they go off to Godolphin & Latymer. ( my daughters names by the way !!)The examples cited are nothing like this scenario. Lammas Park has a franchise operating the tennis and five a side who has refurbished a derelict site. It's not terribly cheap but it's very good. But above all it is not exclusive. It is there for all to use with pay as you use. No membership fees or exclusive snobbery.Syon Park is the private land of the Duke of Northumberland, he has not yet bequeathed it to the Borough of Hounslow. In fact he would probably sooner dig it all up and tip it into the thamesa before letting LBH look after it.I also agree that it seems ridiculous to hand the place and the surrounding grounds over to a private company that markets exclusivity for more than several generations. For what?And we are talking about the most charismatic part of the Park that will in effect be sealed off.It's just not on and it would be better if it were franchised for a use that makes it fully accessible to the public with no loss of access to the grounds.Otherwise, it's a lot lost and bugger all gained.AS for a conspiracy over property developers and land grabs? Well wake up and smell the coffee, it is happening all over the place. Huge businesses with huge resources using every means to undo charters and covenants wherever a market exists.Why did they write such a covenant in the first place? To keep these vultures at bay. It was no better 90 odd years ago than it is now.

Michael Brandt ● 4669d

Falcons School for girls is one of 15 odd schools and 6 colleges run by alpha plus (www.alphaplusgroup.co.uk), it is not just a little girls school all on its own. As far as I am aware FSG has been looking for larger premises for some considerable time, as they have outgrown their current premises. Having previously failed to acquire new premises locally and more recently to acquire planning permission to turn office buildings next to the prep school in Kew into a girls school, they appear to have returned their search for larger premises closer to home. Lots of parks have parts of them run by commercial outfits eg isn't there a nursery in ravenscourt park? And 5 a side football pitches in Lammas Park and a hotel, soft play centre and garden centre in Syon Park? Both councils have failed miserably to maintain Gunnersbury Park, they had the opportunity to bring the butterfly house from Syon to gunnersbury but didn't. The public has not had access to this mansion for a long time because it has been allowed to crumble, perhaps the conspiracy theorists who think this is some land grabbing plot could come up with an alternative because so far I've yet to see a viable one. Falcons is an established local school and employer, I don't see a move to Gunnersbury Park as anything more than beneficial to the school and the Park, which cannot continue as it is. The park is huge and the mansion a small part of it, to say that the public would lose access to 'a large chunk' is ridiculous, particularly since they haven't even had access to it for so long. Good luck to them, perhaps it will be the start of restoring the park to its former glory.

M Vincic ● 4669d

I'm sorry, great read but not really in agreement with much of it.We are about to have a huge imposed population explosion, not by choice but the fact is we have not provided in any way any sort of local infrastructure to cope with what already exists let alone what is about to happen.Instead our elected representatives, not just on the local council but MPs and GLA members have indulged in ignoring to much that is needing attention and playing politics rather than tackling policies and directives that are clearly wrong.Passing planning applications again and again without securing or providing things like schools to the point that there is now virtually nowhere to build them is not just careless it's almost criminal.It's as useless as a car with no windows.Now we are talking about using parks for schools.Strange that school playing fields have been sold off to build on or to private organisations.Strange too, that the promises of accessibility are always 'safeguarded' in these sell offs and deals but seldom ever happens and when it does it is not affordable.Gunnersbury Park were the playing fields for more than a few local schools, Gunnersbury being the 'home' school.Despite the perfect playing facilities, the changing facilities have been so bad for so long that they are almost universally known by local clubs as the worst in London.  Consequently use has declined as they have not been updated and plenty of grants have existed since 1972 to do such. But it the funds have always been hived off with poor token projects of poor quality as some sort of fob off.So who is naive enough to think that a small private girls prep school can afford to lease and restore a ruin?Even with private school fees, it would not cover the costs.As for the whimsy of a lovely restored mansion. Wake up. It will be a school, with precious little cherubs in.It will have to conform to all the modern criteria, just like any other public place, H&S safety, accessibility, and those rooms will be classrooms.It's an old building, it will have to be seriously altered to meet fire safety and energy requirements for the intended use. It will be otherwise uninsurable.20  7 year olds perish in school fire or collapse of old building? All of whom have wealthy parents. The would sue not just the school but the lease freeholders. In this case LBE and LBH.This alone send out the signal that the school must be a front for something else.As for a 200 year lease, as I said before, that brings no benefit for the loss for 200 years of the best corner of the park.No school state or private could ever make restoring a building economically viable. If the councils cannot what's in it for the private school?Must be more to it than is being let on.I would not mind if Gunnersbury Grammar School was returned to proper state school use with the park utilised for sports. But I agree with so many both on here and locally.Going down the road of exclusivity is very, very wrong.If a true legacy and benefit is to emerge then

Raymond Havelock ● 4669d

A repeat of my previous post - apologies. I'm new to this!There now follows about 1500 words by way of a contribution to this conversation so if you are sitting comfortably…I have walked and run round the park for a number of years, visited the museum, taken kids to the playground, pitched and putted and generally enjoyed the space and its amenities. Five or six years ago whilst thus occupied I wondered why it wasn't being enjoyed and used by more children or come to that adults for sport and games. A huge expanse of grass is not just for looking at generally speaking although I could see why a house abutting the park might prefer to see the grass undeveloped and - if the homeowner was a truly credible example/exponent of the human condition - infrequently crowded.I confess that, when exploring that train of thought further, in the mansions I envisaged perfectly proportioned school facilities and in the grounds I saw space, fresh air and life for children. I also saw huge costs to undertake such a vision. Undeterred I did approach Hounslow to sound them out with the concept of a school and it was this that you refer to as the 'idea floated by the Councillors 5 years ago'. I was told then that the Councils were interested in more holistic, whole ideas for the Park as opposed to a piecemeal approach (i.e. small or large mansions only) and was asked to put forward a formal “Expression of Interest”. For the record my own school idea was also for a private or independent establishment and it was not because I wanted only the most privileged/moneyed/elite parents and their children to be able to afford the opportunity of being within the park's wonderful space  - it was just plain old maths and accounting. How could you raise several millions of pounds to restore and refurbish the tired old mansion(s) without resorting to commercialism to pay the coupon on a bond or the interest/capital on a loan?  Returning to the vision though, I pictured a school that was used by children by day and for free adult education in the evening. I saw genuine shared use with a school that was designed with the welfare and safety of minors at its heart, given that it would be sitting in the middle of a place that the public had and would continue to have access to. I saw a building(s) that was entirely self- sufficient from an energy perspective with ground source heat pumps and EH sanctioned discreet solar panelling – selling power back to the grid at weekends. In the holidays it would be open to the public or used for summer school or holiday courses. Sports would be on the curriculum in a major way and the children would be prepared for significant sporting success and pride – something sadly lacking in this day and age. The school would provide bursaries for local children to study there. A Gunnersbury Park foundation would be set up as a charitable trust and the school would distribute a certain proportion of its profits as a grant to go towards maintenance and upkeep of other facilities in the park. I saw leisure facilities being shared with the public in a sensible and efficient way. Above all, my passion, yes unashamed passion was to see what was once something grand be turned gently and yet positively into a source of superior modern day usefulness – turn a ballroom into a science laboratory, stables into DT workshops or an art block, put kids, yes real kids onto the rugby/football/cricket pitches 3 times a week and at weekends  make it something that works for itself and not just a default to the relentless repetition of the words “something that was bequeathed to the public for their leisure and peaceful enjoyment”. I respect those words I really do but I do think that their relevance needs to be tested. I did some research and I found an opinion prepared by a barrister, a QC no less, I think, with an address near Temple who had been asked, by the Councils, to look at whether the covenant could be overturned/ignored or whatever you like to call it. His opinion was that it could and if my reading of it is correct this is why. If the council can demonstrate that the park buildings/property has fallen into an advanced state of disrepair and that they are faced with no option demolish or fence for safety then options that would have hitherto been at odds with the covenant might be considered. The opinion acknowledged that the real beneficiaries of the covenant was not The General Public but were limited in number. Those who have the language included in their deeds/freeholds know who you are I guess. I’m very sorry if I haven’t understood it or recorded it properly but if you want to check the facts and dig this opinion out I’m sure it’s still available somewhere. My further understanding of the opinion was that, no, correction, is that – The Council(s) have (1) actively and visibly budgeted for  maintenance and upkeep of the properties and (2) they have actively and visibly spent the money on said upkeep and maintenance (3) they have undertaken (at material expense) a consultation project to determine  the future of the park and its buildings (4) they have engaged with the public in this process (5) they have investigated and established sources of funding for their plans for the park (6) funding has proved difficult to obtain/failed to materialise (7) the state of the buildings is now impossible to ignore (8) negligence could be proven through non-feasance (8) they are legally obliged to seek alternative options and challenge the covenant restrictions. I suppose that where I’m going with this point is that degree by degree the managers of Gunnersbury Park have manoeuvred themselves into a position of legal strength from which they will seek to overturn (?) the covenant and restrictions of use.  I respectfully venture to suggest that they would not have come to any agreement with Alpha without having taken further opinion that would support this course of action. In my own opinion this is your line in the sand and I wish you luck.What other research did I do? I looked into real instances of public access to private school sports facilities; Royal Ballet School in residence in the middle of Richmond Park at the White Lodge(?) – originally Ken Livingstone had torpedoed its application and thought they should find something on a brownfield site in Streatham but they persevered and he was overruled; almost wrote to Mr Dyson to see if he would be interested in establishing the Royal Society of Inventors/Engineers/Manufacturers and might he consider the prestigious and beautiful setting of the Gunnersbury Park mansion (either/or); I looked into the walled garden project of Chiswick House as a scheme within Hounslow’s bailiwick where the public had taken control of something that had been previously barred to them, they took it back and made it useful. Made it useful by bringing people together to enjoy it and enjoyed it by producing stuff a.k.a. allotments and collective farms/kibbutz. Do you see that this was not the furrowed brow and grasping hand of the self-serving entreprenueur/oligarch ripping off the public purse and robbing it of its assets, this was just A Person who wanted to do something that served more people than just a handful (relatively speaking) which brings me onto Community with a capital C.Actually it doesn’t, I think that if you have read this far you will be saying “please no!” so maybe I’ll do that another time. So to conclude and turn your mind back to 5 years ago. Remember the economic cliff we went over as taxpayers and consumers? Our banks collapsed and the borrowing of money became virtually impossible overnight. Funding a private school in a Grade II listed building on English Heritage’s ‘At Risk Register’? I don’t think so sunshine! Besides, I had no experience and dreams are never completely aligned with business plans and so, I left it at that. An itch unscratched. Three years ago I became involved in the West London Free School project with Toby Young and his group. Mr Young was looking for a site and was I think very interested in Gunnersbury – he could see what I had seen myself - but being pragmatic and politically attuned he recognised that whilst a new Government might get traction with their new ideas for education they couldn’t possibly entertain pouring money into old mansions in Ealing/Hounslow to revive them and change their original purpose, whilst Portacabins were being parked in playgrounds to cope with increased numbers in the same boroughs. So to respond to the many who say “yes, if it were open to all, I’d be OK with a school in the park” – I’m afraid it isn’t very likely to happen. Besides it’s actually quite difficult to get your child into a good free school. And so I stand in favour of Alpha Plus’ attempt to secure the mansion for education and I wish them luck. I hope that the council doesn’t grant them a whopping long lease that can be transferred and sold; I hope they don’t rope off more park than they need to and that it doesn’t mean we can’t walk around the small mansion when it has been beautifully refurbished; I hope that the Councils don’t bend over backwards to get rid of the millstone round their neck of an aged, listed, decrepit public building; they really can be clever about this and they don’t have to sell off the family silver but above all they certainly shouldn’t feel that the only way out of this mess is to sell parkland for house building.And to anyone still reading this I hope that you don’t pick holes in every little bit of what I have written but leave with an uplifting sense that there are more people on the same page as you than you thought. They don’t share all of your views but they would like to respectfully remind you that some of the best goals are common ones.

Alistair Milward ● 4670d

There now follows about 1500 words by way of a contribution to this conversation so if you are sitting comfortably…I have walked and run round the park for a number of years, visited the museum, taken kids to the playground, pitched and putted and generally enjoyed the space and its amenities. Five or six years ago whilst thus occupied I wondered why it wasn't being enjoyed and used by more children or come to that adults for sport and games. A huge expanse of grass is not just for looking at generally speaking although I could see why a house abutting the park might prefer to see the grass undeveloped and - if the homeowner was a truly credible example/exponent of the human condition - infrequently crowded.I confess that, when exploring that train of thought further, in the mansions I envisaged perfectly proportioned school facilities and in the grounds I saw space, fresh air and life for children. I also saw huge costs to undertake such a vision. Undeterred I did approach Hounslow to sound them out with the concept of a school and it was this that you refer to as the 'idea floated by the Councillors 5 years ago'. I was told then that the Councils were interested in more holistic, whole ideas for the Park as opposed to a piecemeal approach (i.e. small or large mansions only) and was asked to put forward a formal “Expression of Interest”. For the record my own school idea was also for a private or independent establishment and it was not because I wanted only the most privileged/moneyed/elite parents and their children to be able to afford the opportunity of being within the park's wonderful space  - it was just plain old maths and accounting. How could you raise several millions of pounds to restore and refurbish the tired old mansion(s) without resorting to commercialism to pay the coupon on a bond or the interest/capital on a loan?  Returning to the vision though, I pictured a school that was used by children by day and for free adult education in the evening. I saw genuine shared use with a school that was designed with the welfare and safety of minors at its heart, given that it would be sitting in the middle of a place that the public had and would continue to have access to. I saw a building(s) that was entirely self- sufficient from an energy perspective with ground source heat pumps and EH sanctioned discreet solar panelling – selling power back to the grid at weekends. In the holidays it would be open to the public or used for summer school or holiday courses. Sports would be on the curriculum in a major way and the children would be prepared for significant sporting success and pride – something sadly lacking in this day and age. The school would provide bursaries for local children to study there. A Gunnersbury Park foundation would be set up as a charitable trust and the school would distribute a certain proportion of its profits as a grant to go towards maintenance and upkeep of other facilities in the park. I saw leisure facilities being shared with the public in a sensible and efficient way. Above all, my passion, yes unashamed passion was to see what was once something grand be turned gently and yet positively into a source of superior modern day usefulness – turn a ballroom into a science laboratory, stables into DT workshops or an art block, put kids, yes real kids onto the rugby/football/cricket pitches 3 times a week and at weekends  make it something that works for itself and not just a default to the relentless repetition of the words “something that was bequeathed to the public for their leisure and peaceful enjoyment”. I respect those words I really do but I do think that their relevance needs to be tested. I did some research and I found an opinion prepared by a barrister, a QC no less, I think, with an address near Temple who had been asked, by the Councils, to look at whether the covenant could be overturned/ignored or whatever you like to call it. His opinion was that it could and if my reading of it is correct this is why. If the council can demonstrate that the park buildings/property has fallen into an advanced state of disrepair and that they are faced with no option demolish or fence for safety then options that would have hitherto been at odds with the covenant might be considered. The opinion acknowledged that the real beneficiaries of the covenant was not The General Public but were limited in number. Those who have the language included in their deeds/freeholds know who you are I guess. I’m very sorry if I haven’t understood it or recorded it properly but if you want to check the facts and dig this opinion out I’m sure it’s still available somewhere. My further understanding of the opinion was that, no, correction, is that – The Council(s) have (1) actively and visibly budgeted for  maintenance and upkeep of the properties and (2) they have actively and visibly spent the money on said upkeep and maintenance (3) they have undertaken (at material expense) a consultation project to determine  the future of the park and its buildings (4) they have engaged with the public in this process (5) they have investigated and established sources of funding for their plans for the park (6) funding has proved difficult to obtain/failed to materialise (7) the state of the buildings is now impossible to ignore (8) negligence could be proven through non-feasance (8) they are legally obliged to seek alternative options and challenge the covenant restrictions. I suppose that where I’m going with this point is that degree by degree the managers of Gunnersbury Park have manoeuvred themselves into a position of legal strength from which they will seek to overturn (?) the covenant and restrictions of use.  I respectfully venture to suggest that they would not have come to any agreement with Alpha without having taken further opinion that would support this course of action. In my own opinion this is your line in the sand and I wish you luck.What other research did I do? I looked into real instances of public access to private school sports facilities; Royal Ballet School in residence in the middle of Richmond Park at the White Lodge(?) – originally Ken Livingstone had torpedoed its application and thought they should find something on a brownfield site in Streatham but they persevered and he was overruled; almost wrote to Mr Dyson to see if he would be interested in establishing the Royal Society of Inventors/Engineers/Manufacturers and might he consider the prestigious and beautiful setting of the Gunnersbury Park mansion (either/or); I looked into the walled garden project of Chiswick House as a scheme within Hounslow’s bailiwick where the public had taken control of something that had been previously barred to them, they took it back and made it useful. Made it useful by bringing people together to enjoy it and enjoyed it by producing stuff a.k.a. allotments and collective farms/kibbutz. Do you see that this was not the furrowed brow and grasping hand of the self-serving entreprenueur/oligarch ripping off the public purse and robbing it of its assets, this was just A Person who wanted to do something that served more people than just a handful (relatively speaking) which brings me onto Community with a capital C.Actually it doesn’t, I think that if you have read this far you will be saying “please no!” so maybe I’ll do that another time. So to conclude and turn your mind back to 5 years ago. Remember the economic cliff we went over as taxpayers and consumers? Our banks collapsed and the borrowing of money became virtually impossible overnight. Funding a private school in a Grade II listed building on English Heritage’s ‘At Risk Register’? I don’t think so sunshine! Besides, I had no experience and dreams are never completely aligned with business plans and so, I left it at that. An itch unscratched. Three years ago I became involved in the West London Free School project with Toby Young and his group. Mr Young was looking for a site and was I think very interested in Gunnersbury – he could see what I had seen myself - but being pragmatic and politically attuned he recognised that whilst a new Government might get traction with their new ideas for education they couldn’t possibly entertain pouring money into old mansions in Ealing/Hounslow to revive them and change their original purpose, whilst Portacabins were being parked in playgrounds to cope with increased numbers in the same boroughs. So to respond to the many who say “yes, if it were open to all, I’d be OK with a school in the park” – I’m afraid it isn’t very likely to happen. Besides it’s actually quite difficult to get your child into a good free school. And so I stand in favour of Alpha Plus’ attempt to secure the mansion for education and I wish them luck. I hope that the council doesn’t grant them a whopping long lease that can be transferred and sold; I hope they don’t rope off more park than they need to and that it doesn’t mean we can’t walk around the small mansion when it has been beautifully refurbished; I hope that the Councils don’t bend over backwards to get rid of the millstone round their neck of an aged, listed, decrepit public building; they really can be clever about this and they don’t have to sell off the family silver but above all they certainly shouldn’t feel that the only way out of this mess is to sell parkland for house building.And to anyone still reading this I hope that you don’t pick holes in every little bit of what I have written but leave with an uplifting sense that there are more people on the same page as you than you thought. They don’t share all of your views but they would like to respectfully remind you that some of the best goals are common ones.

Alistair Milward ● 4670d

That's correct. In effect the land that was paid for was the land for building on. The Park came virtually free - as long as it was not built on but kept as a park for ALL people of ALL classes.All the authorities had to do was maintain it. Which like any other public park comes from the rates.And initially this became a park that was the pride of Ealing, Acton, Brentford and Chiswick.  A park full of activities, and big enough to provide something for everyone.Boating, Golf, Bowls, Croquet,Tennis,Cricket, Football, Rugby, Exotic plants, Rare tree species, cafes, sports pavillions and car parking making it a great venue for visiting sports teams.It even had it's own nursery, which along with Glade Lane, serviced all of Ealing and Hounslow's street tree needs and plant needs.Until it got messed with.But as long as my family of 4 generations can remember, Only the minimum has been done to the park since the early 1960s.The Problems begin with the formation of The London Boroughs of Hounslow and Ealing in 1965.And it is yet again junior party political politics that is the real source of it's problems.I would sooner see the Mansion become a folly ruin than hand the place over to some elitist school. It flies in the face of everything this country has worked for socially for 60 years.To use Falcons as a front as has now been fully revealed is underhand, devious and sickening.For Councils to fall for it shows just how stupid and gullible they can be. It is little wonder so many spiv like developers have managed to get such appalling developments through so easily.Even the Friends of Gunnesbury Park should be ashamed. That they are so desperate to be reeled into such a deal.  They have lost the plot.200 years lease. To lose a the best chunk of the park and the 'precious' mansion?Apart form the fact that even our great grandchildren will not be here to enjoy it, It will be returned .....derelict.Except Gunnersbury Park will be long gone.Selling or leasing parts of the park is not protecting it's future.Like so much in this Borough it shows the total lack of imagination and creativity to solving a problem and a total reliance on money as the cure for everything.Sad to say but this is precisely what the last Labour government did. Threw money at problems, but failed to solve the problems because too many hived of the cash and achieved little. End result : near bankruptcy. & nothing to show for it.If the money is spent then it needs to be fully accounted for.  Councils and the NHS get horribly ripped off by contractors and have done for generations.In house set ups have a culture of laziness and carelessness.Sort either of those out and we might actually start solving things properly with long term benefits.

Raymond Havelock ● 4670d

The Covenant for Gunnersbury Park that both the then Acton and Ealing Councils solemnly entered into in 1925 binds their statutory successors Hounslow and Ealing.  This land is held on Trust for the people of the Boroughs. The Gunnersbury Park covenant was imposed by Mrs Marie de Rothschild on 29th December 1925 when 199.8 acres of land was conveyed to the then Acton and Ealing Councils. The land included the two mansions and all of the grounds.The 1925 Conveyance imposed restrictions on the two Councils stipulating that:-“they will not use the land and hereditaments for any purpose other than as a public park or sports ground and that the mansion houses and buildings on the said land…shall not at any time…be used except for such public purposes as may be ancillary to the use thereof as aforesaid…”A strip of land at the perimeter of the Park had been excepted where private houses were to be built by The Newcombe Estates Company Limited and a local builder, Albert Cox fronting Lionel Road and Popes Lane.This covenant was renewed on 11th December 1926 when two Conveyances of land took place to The Newcombe Estates Company Limited and Mr Cox with the Councils covenanting again to observe the Rothschild restrictions that the land (apart from the strip for the intended houses) would forever be used as a Public Park or as a Sports Ground.Some minor modifications have been allowed by the Lands Tribunal - now called the Upper Tribunal (Lands Chamber) - on three previous occasions.  The last re. the greenhouses allowing wholesale nurserymen to run them rather than Council staff only.  That case came before H.H.Judge Rich 18 years ago. Initially, Hounslow Council's Legal Department told Mr Peter Blacker of the "Gunnersbury Park Covenant Group" that local residents had no say in the matter and that no residents were entitled to the benefit of the 1926 covenants.At the same time, the Council privately admitted to the then local MP Nirj Deva, that hundreds of residents were legally entitled to the benefit of the said covenants!Not long after, the Council were forced to admit this publicly but then demanded that every single homeowner or tenant backing onto the Park produced their original deeds from their mortgage companies, etc to show their entitlement to the benefit of the covenant by having to prove that they actually lived at their own homes!Since the Court of Appeal had ruled in "Williams v Unit Construction Co. Ltd. (1951) that on benefited land, "even a weekly tenant may enforce a covenant", the local residents challenged the unreasonable demands of Hounslow Council's Legal Department and made an Application to Judge Marder QC at the Lands Tribunal protesting at the necessity of having to do all this.Judge Marder decided that the Council knew perfectly well who resided at the relevant houses on the "benefited land" and that a Council Tax bill or Electoral Register entry would suffice to save all the residents having the expense of requesting solicitors to obtain their original deeds from mortgage companies, etc whereupon Hounslow Council agreed that they would accept this as evidence of entitlement in the case before the Tribunal.At the subsequent Hearing, some 50 or so residents living adjacent to the Park were admitted as having the legal benefit of the covenants.  Dr Peter Cocking, their representative, did not object to the proposed wholesale nurserymen in the former Kitchen Garden and Greenhouses and the Tribunal allowed the limited modification sought by Hounslow & Ealing Councils.The case now under consideration is quite different.  There is no existing “exclusive” school operating in the Park.  It's not the same as allowing a greenhouse to be used by a wholesale nurseryman rather than a Council one.Schools often want to expand, having new buildings and areas to themselves and with young girls there, they would want areas securely isolated and fenced off from the public and they would also want their own exclusive private car-park for parents, staff, suppliers, coaches, etc. possibly with a new access road layout exclusively for the school.Private schools also often hire out to or share their premises with other outside organisations at weekends, at nights or in school holidays causing extra traffic disturbance to people living nearby.The private "Khalsa Karate Federation" tried this in the Royal Borough of Kingston-upon-Thames in the Latchmere Recreation Ground where they offered to build a new £620,000 two-storey building replacing a demolished pavilion/changing-rooms which would have incorporated their own Karate Club with facilities.However they were prevented from doing so by the Lord Dyson covenant (imposed 21 years before the Rothschild covenant). I seem to remember that Heritage money was to be made available to Gunnersbury Park from the National Lottery. The Council has taken money off other local developers I believe under S.106 Agreements but which did not involve handing over part of the public Park to developers such as Alpha Plus Group Ltd of 50 Queen Anne Street, London W.1., who are apparently behind the current scheme.  Once ensconced in the Park, perhaps other money-making developments may be contemplated?Victor Mishiku "The Covenant Movement"18th April 2013.

Victor Mishiku ● 4674d

Just up the road from Gunnersbury Park is the London Transport Museum annexe.London Transport was the biggest employer in Acton Town, South East Chiswick & South Ealing areas.The museum is brimming with artifacts that can only be seen 4 times a year Some exhibits are good enough to be exhibited in outdoor glass cases like we have seen all over the world.  A tie in with Gunnersbury parks museum would be ideal.Indeed the question has been asked again and again for at least 40 years as to why the Park has become so neglected and the lack of initiatives to secure funding. Far too much has been focused on a few artifacts with astronomic costs. In Walpole park Ealing, Pitzhanger Manor was for decades the public library and a really good one at that. A perfect location for a library and it was a tremendous asset to the prestige of the park. No-one can argue that the replacement in the town hall was better and bigger. But something was lost when it moved. But even though a lot is due to be spent on it, there's no real useful use forthcoming.No-one has come up with a good use of the Gunnersbury buildings but a joint borough reference and archive library could be a good move.An activity centre for elderly and those with alzheimers will , with the huge increase in this affliction,  be needed very soon. Peaceful safe surroundings with decent access.There's been no creativity or indeed practicality displayed for the buildings but worse still no excuse for the terrible decline of the facilities that do still get used.The Tennis courts could have been refurbished under several schemes  from LTA to Tennis Europe and even the Olympic legacy fund for London.Similar exists for other activities that the park hosts or hosted.The same for the awful changing rooms which have not changed since the 1960s. Even the smell dates from 1962. They are colder in summer than a butchers cold store.Selling off or leasing should not be an option unless it really is of benefit for ordinary people. Not exclusively the 'haves' or inversely, the 'have not's'  but everyone.

Anthony Waller ● 4676d

So, I am reading rather emotive arguments against this scheme but no proposals for what could be done instead. The issue of how to get funds into to Gunnersbury seems to have been circling for a number of years.  Being an outer London Borough it has been historically more difficult for Hounslow/Ealing to get any priority over inner London Boroughs for any monies available.  As far as I can tell, the car park Ruth Bradbury refers to is not the public one but the one in front of the Small Mansion (which is not open to the public anyway). Whilst I champion residents campaigning and having a voice in local decisions what I do find slightly irksome is the lack of that viable alternatives re:how to lever money in and improve the park being put forward. A small amount of access may be lost but I don't see any fliers posted all around the Gothic Tower/Potomac Lake decrying the fact that you can only get access if you are a council employee or on the community payback scheme. The arts studio's lease made it difficult for the Council to make better use of the building whilst the arts group were there (as has been the case with the residential tenancy leases at both Gunnersbury and Boston Manor.  Surely, having learnt from the mistakes of the past, clauses can be put in the lease re: building use, length of tenure (and the Council's ability to review this etc).  With it's proximity to Kew Gardens and Chiswick House etc, the Gunnersbury museum could become a part of a West London hub/destination.  Why not look at what's possible and be productive instead of dismissing all opportunities out of hand?  If, has been suggested, there are monies to improve buildings out there, what ideas to campaigners have for the use of those building? How do they expect the money to be found to maintain the buildings and park once the work has been done?  Any funder worth a grain of salt would be asking that - what is the intention/justification for the granting of funds? There are many buildings at risk in this country.As a regular park user, I too lament the continued deterioration of the buildings, but I also see that the parkland are already used by schools, football clubs, theatre groups or film shoots. It has potential - why not look at that?

Andrea Hall ● 4676d

Cllr Cadbury makes it all sound so reasonable and benign - and I'm sure that's how she sees it. But we all know how  valuable this piece of prime real estate would be to developers. There are other agendas in the background. Before I am accused of being paranoid, we have over the years (dating back to even before I became a campaigner) stopped a number of proposals to sell off various bits of the Park for housing. And councillors come and go, so promises (even if made in good faith) made by one lot don't hold good for the lot that come after them.Barring the public from part of the Park or using the Small Mansion for commercial use would breach the legal covenant. If they want to proceed, Councils would have to approach the Upper Tribunal (Lands Chamber) and request a modification of the covenant. At the UTLC the public can represent itself (no need for expensive barristers). Win or lose, residents are not liable for costs.Even if the UTLC were minded to allow the variation, the covenant would remain in place. This is the vitally important point. The covenant is our only protection. If we allow it to be breached with impunity once, the rest of the Park will follow. What if the school decides to expand, build a new science lab or an art pavilion? As a private school, it probably has many after-hours activities, after-school clubs, summer courses or holiday camps. If we lose the covenant's protection, we would also lose the right to object to commercial events in the Park (as we have successfully done in the past). 

Bela Cunha ● 4678d

Thanks for alerting readers to the Advisory Panel meeting which is going to discuss the proposal for Gunnersbury Park on 19th April. A private school is offering to take on a lease;  and to spend £6 Million to completely repair and restore the Small Mansion, which is on the English Heritage buildings at risk register.The school also plan to restore the interiors and exteriors of the Grade II listed building, and allow this building to be used by the community outside of school hours·        The school are only asking to use the current car park and adjacent grass. The terraces, south lawns and access via the East Lodge will all be retained for public use·        The bid proposes a regular rent to be paid to the councils which could be ring fenced and used to maintain the park.So how have we got here?The basic problem with Gunnersbury Park, as with many parks in London containing historic buildings and landscapes, is that local authorities do not have the capital funding to do the essential restoration.  There have always, and will always be, need to find funding from other than the taxpayer, beyond the costs basic parks management.  If Hounslow did have a spare £6m, the first call on this would probably be to build sufficient new classrooms in our bulging schools.The challenge of finding sufficient resources has been an issue at Gunnersbury from the start - the purchase of the park from the Rothchilds in 1925 was funded by the sale for housing of the land on Popes Land and Lionel Road that backs onto the park. It's not mismanagement that has been Gunnersbury's problem but the simple fact that there have not been the capital or revenue funds available over more than 90 years, to maintain Gunnersbury Park in the way the Rothchilds would have been able to.Therefore funding HAS to be sought from elsewhere.  It's not acceptable to sell any more land for housing - as was mooted in c2005.So the offer from the school appears to provide an opportunity to restore one of the historic buildings, while still offering public access to the building and the gardens.I've not yet seen the details of the school proposal, but I do believe it should be explored further. 

Ruth Cadbury ● 4678d

Sorry, me again (cont.):Parks are indeed being rejuvenated with lottery money. Tring is one. It, too, was a Rothschild property and the Rothschild Foundation are making a contribution. We've asked them for help in the past, to no avail.The Park is protected by a covenant that stipulates that it will be free from commercialization and open to the public in perpetuity. The Councils are bound by this and would have to make an application to the Lands Tribunal to have it discharged. If they go ahead regardless, they will be breaking the law. Residents can represent themselves at the Tribunal (no need for an expensive barrister) and are not liable for any costs, whether they win or lose. We can fight to preserve our covenant and the integrity of our Park without it costing us anything.If we allow the Councils one breach of the covenant, we could be deemed to have 'acquiesced' and open the door for wholesale development of more of the Park. There is a case going on in Wembley where this acquiescence is being used by the developers as a reason for the covenant to be scrapped altogether.I have access to a covenant expert and to a barrister, who assure me that Hounslow cannot use Planning Powers, as this is not 'for the proper planning of the area'.Finally, the school in the Small Mansion idea was floated by the Councillors 5 years ago. They were very keen, debated it for months from every angle and decided in the end that it was unworkable and discarded it (along with the hotel suggestion). Covenant, traffic, access and health and safety problems were too unsurmountable. Why is the idea being resuscitated now?If anyone has any more questions, I'll try to answer.

Bela Cunha ● 4680d