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An elderly lady has died and the insults and disgusting behaviour of some is absolutely shameful.Mrs(Lady)Thatcher was both a good politician and Prime Minister let us not forget that she was voted into power 3 times, yes the miners strike was a terrible time in our history but let us also remember that one third of miners chose to continue to work. Arthur Scargill called that strike without a ballot did he go hungry, did he go without food absolutely NOT he took his salary on a weekly basis plus went on holiday at least 3 times to Russia whilst miners continued to strike. He continued as NUM President until 2002 and yet the NUM had to take him to court in 2011 because they could no longer pay £34000 pounds per year for a flat in London that he considered was his due. Upon his death will he be vilified like Mrs Thatcher or made a Saint.Unions had become so powerful that strikes were a weekly or monthly occurrence,cooking in candlelight,making do with cold cuts, yes of course we need unions however never as powerful as they once were.How she can be blamed for whatever has occurred over the last 35 years I really do not know, how was she responsible for Tony Blair lying to both us and Parliament that sent us into (Iraq)war, did she hold a gun to Gordon Browns head when he sold our Gold reserves at a give away price, it is so easy to blame others when they can no longer speak for themselves.I certainly did not agree with all that she did however she did do an awful lot of good.Do we really need to speak ill of the dead.Lady Thatcher should be allowed her Funeral in Peace and Dignity exactly as we would give to one of our own Family.

Dawn Hardy ● 4767d

I was a student in Nottingham during this. Deep shaft mining was coming to an end. Open cast imports were massively cheaper even after shipping costs and to compete in the world and improve quality we had to go for the cheapest supplies.The NCB knew as a business it was coming to an end. It had been subsidised for a long time like a lot of Britains industries and management had failed to update adequately. State supported or owned industries were the worst. ( It could take a year to get a phone from BT ( then Post office telephones)  Tied by unions and working practices which they had fought hard for and naturally wanted to protect but blind to the wind of change which would have come Thatcher or not.The unions had done their job and done it well in the pre and post war era but by the 1960's they had grown too powerful and petty in too many areas. The resistance to change was as damaging to business and the UKs reputation for being the best was now endowed with useless them and us management.The pond was becoming stagnant.Labour knew it but were tied by their natural allegience and funding by unions and Tories knew it.Ted Heath tried a soft approach to making change. It failed. Even ordinary union members were becoming uneasy about the way unions were being run but it was bully boys and difficult to make a stand even from within.Unions were largely also both racist and sexist in those days. Remember the fight the Ford women had with both the management and it's own union.Barbara Castle helped break that mould and set the cat among the pigeons for both unions and management. This did lead to a hardening of lines which led eventually the head on collision between Thatcher and the unions.But.  When you went out on a bus to some of the small towns where the mines had closed, you saw the big shortcoming.  Nothing in it's place. In some, nothing at all.  Strong blokes with hands like cooked hams and pissed out of their heads for many all day every day. Once proud people broken.People who were the blood of British industry since the industrial revolution.Not enough was done to address this and the mistake was the resistance by too much of industry to evolve. in the end too many industries just rolled over and died.  The Governments failing was to support the transition with vigour and the right kind of aid.I don't think they had a clue and nor did anyone else so benefits were given out like pills.I never thought selling off council homes was a good idea. Especially cheaply.That created a property boom of artificial prices that has landed us in the ludicrous situation we have now.But the right for anyone to own their own home?  Yes.It would have been better to have offered ultra low mortgages to free up council stock for those who could not afford to move up. It would have spawned an affordable private house building programme and not the madness of luxury flats that are only purchased by the very wealthy and overseas investors.

Raymond Havelock ● 4769d

The seventies were drab.  Just like now.Well in the very early seventies I was a teenager and not affected by political stances – or was I?  Doing O levels – German, Russian, and having a history teacher obsessed with teaching us about dictatorships, we covered the lot – from the fall of the Weimar republic right through to Kim il Sung  – at the local comprehensive I might add – I refused to go the grammar school cos they wore berets as part of their uniform.By 1972/4 unless you was someone like my grandmother, who in her mid-fifties and had never done a day’s work in her life bar a bit of housework and a bit of baking and knitting, had transport sent to the house to take her to hospital, and was on loads of pills – some of which I nicked – she never missed them – and she had them all - sleeping pills, valium, water tables, laxatives, pain killers, steroids – you name it she had, not that there was that much wrong with her losing a few stone wouldn’t cure  – but then the NHS was barely twenty years old and could fritter money away just to show ‘it  could’ -  could not notice things were on the slide.  If you were unfortunate enough to see any news programme there’d be some old, shouty man with a comb-over and another old bloke with a pipe or another old boke with a smirk on his face sailing off to the silly isles or yet another old bloke with a comb-over who scored a goal for some football team.  I remember going to work when all the street lights were off – and I lived in Bayswater at the time – and then by summer there was rubbish piled up at each street corner.And still all the news showed was lots of shouty men – some with comb-overs.The seventies were  * - which is why there were so many disaffected youth – who expressed what they felt – whether by dress, music, whatever.  And then – dull ole Britain got a female prime minister.  And by 1980, with two children in tow, I went back to work.  And during the 1980s I felt I was rewarded for the work I was doing – well it was certainly shown in my pay packet – because I was good at what I did.  These days getting a job is like being a performing sea-lion but once in situ it’s just a tick box exercise as to one’s performance.To me, back then, people like the miners – which is a really horrible job - were just relics of the past and just held the country to ransom with excessive pay demands but now wonder why they didn’t just demand their beloved mine from the government and run it as a co-operative?In hindsight I disagree with some of Thatcher’s policies – like the selling off the utilities – but was greeted with glee by my mother – who was a staunch labour supporter – but that was only because she worked for a gas company and would be getting free share certificates.  Or was that just greed?Thatcher dragged this country out of the doldrums – a place it’s gone back to since the turn of the 21st century and given some of the dreck labour let into this country since then I now feel I’m living in the middle ages.   

Xanthe West ● 4770d

The trouble is some memories are short.Mrs. Thatcher was such a dominant, larger than life force in politics that we have forgotten the dreadful and insipid period that preceded her and led to her rise.I was one of many whose education was almost continually disrupted in the 1970s. Power cuts, Bus strikes, Tube strikes, Caretaker strikes, Work to rule, Shortages of almost everything, the list goes on.Barely a week went by without some sort of disruption and on top of it the oil crisis and huge inflation sparked by events outside of the UK.To boot, we had a really poor period of poor quality manufacturing and production with bad management, bad work attitudes while other countries previously way behind Britain, surging past us and excelling at almost everything. Globalisation was starting and Britain was trailing badly behind.No-one had any answers, certainly not Labour who had run into all sorts of problems and had presided twice over the demise and done nothing.The Tories were no better. But they suddenly had a strong leader and there is no doubting that her energy and belief in putting her native country at the forefront was what was needed.But the policies were wrong.At the time there was a lot of shouting and screaming but no-one really had any better or workable solutions. Otherwise, she would never have won 3 elections.The Miners strike was handled dreadfully but it was Arthur Scargill's personal vendetta against the tories and Thatcher that scuppered the mining industry.An industry that time has proven was sadly at the end of it's era. At least for now.At the beginning there was huge support for the lack of  government support for communities- whole towns losing the key work place with nothing to go in it's place. Apart from benefits.But Scargill would not hold a ballot. Initially, he would have won easily and had a mandate.  The government would have not had a leg to stand on.They would have had to do a rethink and be far more human about helping our people.Instead, he chose to lead the miners into a desperate, devisive and futile abyss and help secure the rot that dogs so many towns in this country to this day.He polarised opinions and hardened Thatcher's resolve to the point that most politicians cannot back down.What is hard to define is where this country would be if she had not become Prime Minister?  Better or worse?  Who would have done a better job? Who would have formed better policies? Who would have made that happen?What has not happened is learning the lessons.Ken Livingstone, Thatchers nemesis summed it up rather well yesterday. Unusual for him but even he has recognised that some things would have happened without her.

Raymond Havelock ● 4770d