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The wailing of the sirens....

Does anyone else get the right hump with the police driving down London rd or the A4 in the early hrs of the morning,sirens blaring out? This happens almost nightly.Surely at 3am there are not sufficient cars in front of the police to warrant this. A flashing blue light would surely be enough and the odd wail on the siren at this time...

Keith Iddon ● 7444d8 Comments ● 7442d

Saving St. George's Church

As someone who remembers when I was a child and a Girl Guide, I recall going to the church on our Girl Guides "Church Parade" on Sunday mornings. So I am very happy to hear that the church has been saved.  The old buildings should be preserved, thanks to everyone who fought to save this one.     I live in Oregon now so I am too far away to help much but had to tell you how much I appreciate the people who saved this old building.                          Doris M. Lediard

Doris M. Lediard ● 7443d2 Comments ● 7442d

Do an important thing?

What's the one most important thing we as individuals could do to make the world a better place next year?;-o

Gerry Tan ● 7447d10 Comments ● 7442d

decent workmen

who finds it difficult to hire a trustworthy, reliable workman nowadays? I did and was always a bit dubious about having strange men in my house! I was then recommended Richard the Plasterer by a neighbour and have never looked back! I have since seen his name on the Chiswick W4 site too.  He is very tidy, true to his word with his prices and is a very friendly bloke! Top class work too! Couldn't recommend him highly enough.  He can be contacted on his mobile - 07739 727 683

Mrs Lorraine Lonergan ● 7443d0 Comments ● 7443d

Kew Gardens at night

It's that time of year again and Kew Gardens are having their late evening openings. For any of you out there who havn't seen Kew in the dark they will be open late from 16-19 December (4.15 to 9pm free entry). It is a magical experience with many trees floodlit from below, and the weeping willow in front of the Palm house dripping with fairy lights reflected in the lake. This year they also have an ice rink next to the Temperate House. I went late on Saturday (not to skate!)and watched many adults & children enjoying themselves. There is a large cafe area too where you can sit & watch the skaters. It looks fantastic all lit up. (You can book hour long sessions see website www.kew.org)It would look even lovelier if we had the odd flurry of snow!      

Liz Cudmore ● 7479d3 Comments ● 7443d

Missing Dog

Has anyone seen a white jack russell type dog in Brentford over the weekend.  Shannon went missing from Ferry Square on Friday, and we are desperate to hear any news.  Did you see a white dog, with short white hair and a ginger patch on her forehead.  She barks a lot, but is not a threat.  NOrmally she would just sit outside the house, and wait for someone to let her in, so it is very strange that she has not come home.  If you have any news, or saw this dog on Friday please call me on 07931 295 235.Many thanks Louise

Louise Boulger ● 7472d2 Comments ● 7444d

Brentford Pubs

Can anyone recommend a good, friendly 'proper'pub in Brentford. I have tried a few that were not too bad but am looking for a decent local with a friendly, welcoming atmosphere.

Ian Campbell Barr ● 7461d13 Comments ● 7445d

Any good at deciphering dreams?

Picture the line of planes coming down my street - you can see the line banked up well into the distance.  Replace that with a line of those space invader alien thingies (they are all smiling incidently) and make them closer together for an invasion.  The space ships are heading for Heathrow to use the existing runways and they then take the tube to Osterley (skip the passport control and immigration bits they weren't in the dream).  Yes, this does take some considerable time and people are coming out into the street to point at the ships and discuss what is going on.  Somebody rings the Government.  The aliens take on the form of people but 'we' all know who they are and they have guns..If you come up with any strange interpretations which may confirm anything other than my being a level headed cen-sib-ell citizen then please don't respond, nobody will believe you .. anyway!Puh -leese!   ;-)

Sarah Felstead ● 7448d7 Comments ● 7445d

Gongs in BRENTFORD?

Has anyone in BRENTFORD featured in this New Year's Honours List? :-o

Gerry Tan ● 7447d4 Comments ● 7446d

New Year's RESOLUTION?

Any bright ideas anyone?I'm gonna resolve to be less grumpy and curmudgeonly. :-(

Gerry Tan ● 7448d12 Comments ● 7446d

Best thing & worst thing in 2004?

What's the best thing that has happened to you in 2004?What's the worst thing that has happened to you in 2004?Myself? - I don't know - I'm UNDECIDED.  :-o

Gerry Tan ● 7455d17 Comments ● 7447d

Alone at over ninety

http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1468842004Although it is said that old age pensioners prefer to live outside sheltered housing, who actually said this is still unknown to many people, including myself. Could someone please let me know if a poll was taken to decide this or could this be another money saving scheme by the present Government, more important, is this being wished upon the whole of the U.K.?I hope that the person or persons that committed this crime is caught and punished severely as an example to any others that might think they can get away doing the same.

Angus James ● 7450d4 Comments ● 7449d

The independence of the judiciary.

Were the Law Lords correct in comparing the detention of prisoners without trial (breaching their human rights) to the nightmare scenario of Stalin's Russia?  I firmly support the decision of the judiciary to stand up to this government's interference with people's human rights. Lord Hailsham once described Margaret Thatcher's government as an 'elected dictatorship' and he was her Lord Chancellor. Is the Blair government any better? What do you think? Should the judges do as they are told or remain free of political interference?

Ian Campbell Barr ● 7458d17 Comments ● 7451d

Ho ho ho!

Sorry this is a bit unseasonal, but it's news today and won't be shortly:---------------------------------------------------------------------From the most recent "Viewpoints" newsletter, published by members of the Labour Party in Brentford & Isleworth:"Can things get any worse for the Labour Party in Hounslow?  Membership has plummeted - except in Hounslow Central ward where multiple recruiting by men desperate to be selected as local Labour candidates have been signing up friends and family.  This familiar fiasco has led to the Constituency Party being suspended by Head Office."Our MPs are getting a lot of publicity.  'Farce of Mr. and Mrs. Expenses' says the front page of the Evening Standard.  'Husband and wife Labour MPs Alan and Ann Keen are each claiming £17,000 housing allowance despite living nine miles from Westminster.  The couple represent neighbouring seats in west London and share a house in Brentford'.  The couple, says the Standard, have not broken any rules.  Maybe not but is it very clever to use the rules so blatantly and claim a double allowance?  No wonder they can afford a second home in Covent Garden."Then there is the strange case of Ann Keen's son, Mark Lloyd-Fox, (who also lives at the home in Brentford according to the electoral register.)  He is in the property development business and was caught out making anonymous phone calls to Planning Committee Councillors.  He isn't even bright enough to make sure the calls couldn't be traced and the police got involved.  Thankfully he just received a warning on this occasion."Then there is the free skip that the Labour Deputy whip on Hounslow Council had delivered, saying it was for community use and then, it is alleged, got filled up with his own unwanted material.  The Labour Group, led by Alan Keen's employee Colin Ellar, won't investigate this and the only action taken by the Labour Group was to expel the Councillor who drew attention to the skip incident, ex-leader and mayor John Connelly, and that wasn't done in accordance with Labour Party rules so more will be heard about that."All this comes after years of dodgy practices on the Constiteuncy General Committee where a host of GMB delegates turn up once a year to vote in Ann Keen's favoured comrades and are never seen again for twelve months - unless something crops up that our MP wants fixed."Hounslow has a terrible reputation across London in Labour Party circles.  The word 'Hounslowesque' is a collective expression that stands for shadowy planning practices, domination of the Labour Council group by MPs, and just plain comical antics.  Hounslow provides the best free comedy show in London."When is something going to be done about this?  We are on course to lose at least one MP at the general election next year and control of the council the year after.  We have a suspended party, MPs whose reputations are tarnished and a Council that is the laughing stock of London.  The local party cannot do anything because it is in the iron grip of the MP.  The only hope is that those members who care about the Party write to the London Labour Party or the National Labour Party and urge them to step in before it is too late."----------------------------------------------------------------------POSTSCRIPT:  Last week the Brentford & Isleworth CLP sent out an appeal to its members, including those who are lapsed or only recently joined, urging them to volunteer to the Selection Group Panel for possible selection as local election candidates.  Desperate times call for desperate measures!Merry Christmas.

Phil Andrews ● 7454d5 Comments ● 7451d

When do we become middle aged old gits?

There is a turning point in all our lives when instead of laughing or ignoring some of lifes circumstances we start to moan and whinge about them.Poor service when attempting to spend my hard earned cash is one of my gripes and i think i stopped putting up with it about 10 years ago when i was about 30 which i guess is my cross over time but what about the others on this forum?When did you start to be looked upon as a moaning old git?

Paul Fisher ● 7456d12 Comments ● 7451d

Boxing Day

I hope you all had a great day. The weather in NSW was cold and overcast, a perfect English Christmas day. The max temp was only 19c with a chilly wind.Down to the beach today. Anyone going to see the mighty Bees win. I'll be listening on-line.

Neil Chippendale ● 7452d0 Comments ● 7452d

Happy Christmas to Matt the Editor, fellow posters and visitors

Well it has been a busy year on this Forum....and good fun too!It seems that we all have new friends and acquiantances in cyberspace!!  That has been invaluable.Thanks to Matt Harmer for putting up with us and for running the show ..behind the scenes!!So, to Ann, Michael and Neil (all abroad)...and to Gerry and all his team in the TW8 region...and to visitors from linked sites...I wish you a peaceful and Happy Christmas...and best wishes for 2005.

Jim Lawes ● 7457d8 Comments ● 7454d

Christmas Lights

I've just walked home and noticed a beautiful christmas tree in the window of one of the houses on Windmill Road, on the bit between Clifden Road and Hamilton Road. Has anyone else noticed any especially nice trees or decorations around?

Simon Foster ● 7454d1 Comments ● 7454d

Cool to be Warm...

Is anyone else sick of hearing people,mostly kids and teenagers, saying things are 'cool'. Surely,it's more altruistic, humane and 'cool'to be warm toward others and to things in general.I know I'm just being an early middle aged git on this,but it's my language too...

Keith Iddon ● 7457d3 Comments ● 7455d

Last Call

For comedy at The Waterside Cafe Bar, Brentford Dock, TONIGHT!!!!!The acts again are - Dave Ward, Steve Hall, Dylan and Glenn Wool. Tickets cost £8, £6 with concessions. To reserve please visit www.comedydock.com or call Robbie on 07801 786 046 merry christmas

Robbie Greig Smith ● 7455d0 Comments ● 7455d

What is your wish for Christmas?

Lets get some debate going....If you had a wish for Christmas what would it be?For Your part of EalingFor the Borough of EalingFor LondonFor the UKFor EuropeFor the WorldI have two, for affordable housing in London, end to nimbyism in planning and better design (I would say that as I work for a Housing Association)For the world, a recognition of, and action taken as a result of Global Warming. Stop debating the possibility, take action to reduce the potential disaster to our environment. Sorry folks but I may have to mention the 'T' word in this context.What do you think? Add your wishes to this post and lets see if we can outdo Chiswick W4 with something interesting....Iain Muir PS. This was originally posted on my local Acton W3 site but Gerry Tan who seems to visit all & sundry suggested I post it here as well, suitaby amended

Iain Muir ● 7463d13 Comments ● 7455d

Its your money, where should it be spent?

Every year we pay Council Tax. But where does our money go, who decides where our money is spent, how is it spent, and does the way in which our money is spent give us the services we want? We are approaching the time of year when Councillors will sit down and decide upon priorities for the delivery of all council services, they will be lead by the recommendations of officers of the council and these Councillors will approve or otherwise, the proposed budget based upon the current financial position of the council taking into account the future projections of the council. Councillors will also agree on the level of Council Tax for the coming year. The council also receives funding from central government in the form of grants and business rates to add to the revenue generated through Council Tax, so where do we want our money spent? The services the council provide generally fall into the categories below. Do we want to see spending levels remain the same or do we want increases in some services, or cuts in others? Community DevelopmentEducation, Arts & Libraries EnvironmentHousing ServicesSocial ServicesCorporate ServicesOur Council Tax also helps to pay for services such as ambulance, police and fire. So what do we want? Any ideas?

Gareth Evans ● 7477d41 Comments ● 7456d

RHYMING COCKNEY SLANG

Alright, so we know the APPLES 'n PEARS and the PLATES o' MEAT! Please send your other examples of rhyming slang - are there any examples relating to Brentford specifically? Thanks.;-o

Gerry Tan ● 7457d2 Comments ● 7456d

Slothful train service

Since the new timetable came in, has anyone actually been on a train which ran to schedule? Most of the trains I've taken have been delayed by 10-15 minutes, and a couple by as much as an hour. This is on top of the slower journey (not only have the fast trains gone, but the slow ones are timetabled to take 5 minutes longer than they used to), and it all makes the service even less competitive with nipping up the road to the Piccadilly line.

Bryan Betts ● 7456d1 Comments ● 7456d

Lovely language is English.

Hi folks - I've just been reading through the past topics on this site and I've been so impressed and amused by the use of language and the numerous words(some of them slang) used to describe just one thing. Here's an example: Several beautiful words have been used to describe "a stupid person" and those words have been used by Brentford posters - here they are:pillock, twerp, prat, idiot, wanker, plonker, nutter, dipstick, potty, dickhead, dunderhead, fruit and nut case, scrote, scumbag, old fart, etc etc. (guess there are many more - please add to this list, if you'd like to).As a matter of interest and fun, how many words can you think of that mean a policeman? I'll start: the bill,.......Yeh, I think English is a beautiful language! ;-o

Gerry Tan ● 7458d29 Comments ● 7456d

Gifted - 198 Brentford High Road

I would like to recommend this shop to those of you who haven't already found it - I drive over from Chiswick to shop there. Although on the high road it is a bit tucked away. It is full of great little gifts for all ages and nice smellies for around the house. A very useful place this time of year.And no, I am not connected with the shop other than a satisfied customer who appreciates good service.Happy shopping.

Angela Peel ● 7457d4 Comments ● 7456d

Do we want the OLYMPIC GAMES in London?

Lord COE seems to want our support in his bid for the Olympic Games to be staged in London. I don't know how to react to this one. Do we really need a major event in London in 2012? I'm UNDECIDED on this question. Please convince me one way or the other. :-o

Gerry Tan ● 7458d10 Comments ● 7456d

Artificial or Real Christmas trees?

I say artificial as I am not into chopping down trees (even those grown specifically for the purpose - must be a tax wheeze?). I think we are too busy chopping and knocking things down. They last longer as well.

Ian Campbell Barr ● 7457d3 Comments ● 7456d

What is your wish for Christmas?

Lets get some debate going....If you had a wish for Christmas what would it be?For BrentfordFor HounslowFor LondonFor the UKFor EuropeFor the WorldI have two, for affordable housing in London, end to nimbyism in planning and better design (I would say that as I work for a Housing Association)For the world, a recognition of, and action taken as a result of Global Warming. Stop debating the possibility, take action to reduce the potential disaster to our environment. Sorry folks but I may have to mention the 'T' word in this context.What do you think? Add your wishes to this post and lets see if we can outdo Chiswick W4 with something interesting....Iain Muir PS. This was originally posted on my local Acton W3 site but Gerry Tan who seems to visit all & sundry suggested I post it here as well, suitaby amended

Iain Muir ● 7463d31 Comments ● 7456d

The ayes and the noes for I.D. cards

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmhansrd/cm041220/debtext/41220-42.htm#41220-42_div24Did you spot anyone that voted differently to what you expected?I expected that there might have been a lot more noes especially in the Conservative Party. (Mr. Howard is trying very hard to make the Conservative Party unelectable for the next decade or two.)

Angus James ● 7457d4 Comments ● 7457d

Minister for Education

After reading some strange background stories 'promoting' the 'newly promoted' Ruth Kelly, in the Sundays, I felt compelled to ask Vanessa - if you had borrowed my three (I think you said you had 2 kiddy winks) do you think you would have beaten her to the job?Example - "Ruth Kelly holds a record by giving birth to four children while an MP but it has not stopped her rapid rise to the Cabinet table. At 36, the new education secretary is the youngest Cabinet minister by 10 years and has only been in Parliament since 1997. Her first child was born just 11 days after she took the marginal seat of Bolton West from the Conservatives and some commentators are already calling her a "super mum". Conservative MP Boris Johnson once said: "I admire the way she has managed to be a real person as well as succeeding in politics. She must be identical twins."

Sarah Felstead ● 7458d4 Comments ● 7457d

New England (Duke of York)

Does anyone know if the New England has been given a permanent late licence on Friday and Saturday nights as for the past couple of weeks it has been open late.

Simon Foster ● 7457d0 Comments ● 7457d

Christmas TV

I've just read the RadioTimes for this year's Christmas TV progs. There's very little to tempt me - the same old tired programmes. Wish they'd show more musicals and classic comedy shows. What d'yer think? ;-(

Gerry Tan ● 7464d27 Comments ● 7458d

How do I post back up a thread?

Sometimes it works and more often it doesn't!Is there a guide to posting which I have missed?

Sarah Felstead ● 7460d17 Comments ● 7458d

Christmas Market @ Chiswick Farmers & fine foods Market

The Ideal place to shop for Christmas DayChiswick Farmers & Fine foods Market is holding a special Christmas market on Wednesday 22nd December from 4pm to 8pm so that customers can buy their holiday provisions.As usual a wide selection of high quality fresh produce will be on offer including meat, game, poultry, vegetables, fruit, apple juice, home made pies and pastries, bread, olives, cheese and fish. Orders for Turkeys can be collected, to place orders ring March House farm on 01664 563919To keep out the chill mulled wine will be available and the yard will be festively lit for the occasion. Free parking in the Dukes Meadows Community Centre car parkTo get to the Market turn off the A316 At Riverside Drive and take the next left into Alexandra Gardens and follow down to Market Drive. The E3 Bus from Chiswick High Road and the 190 buse from either Hammersmith or Richmond stop close by, get off at Edensor Road or Chiswick Community School.Here's a map of the area to help find the Market Link to Area MapWishing you all a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year,Paul Allen (Friends of Dukes Meadows)Fodm Registered Charity No 1090171

Paul Allen ● 7465d1 Comments ● 7459d

How to roast turkey?

Having glanced through cook books by Delia, Stein, Elizabeth David, the lovely Nigella and others, we're confused - each has a different way to cook the bird. Which IS the best way to roast our turkey this Christmas? Any favourite ideas? And how long for a 4 kilo one? ;-(  

Gerry Tan ● 7463d6 Comments ● 7460d

Brentford on Thames

How does a Town receive the -on Thames 'tag' as a part of its name?  Seems those Southerners on the Surrey bank have more than their fair share?

Sarah Felstead ● 7463d13 Comments ● 7460d

BFC Planning Application

A planning application from Brentford Football Club is to be decided upon at the next I&B Planning Committee meeting on 16th December.BFC have secured over £1M in Football Stadia Improvement Fund money to make improvements to Griffin Park that will go a long way to help the club survive until a new stadium can be found. The FSIF have stated they are unlikely to offer such a large sum in the future, basically its a now or never offer.I hope our elected representatives see that approving this planning application is a key moment in the future survival of the club, and that Brentford, without its football club will become a much poorer regardless of how many new flats you build.

Paul Davis ● 7464d20 Comments ● 7461d

GLOSSARY of IMHO etc etc

Sarah: You were right to ask for an explanation for some of the XXX's used on these Forums.I went to the Chiswick Forum...typed GLOSSARY in the Forum Search  and there is a Topic and a long list of messages and explanations. Maybe someone could do a new list and publish it on this webpage and Paul Fishers...http://www.chiswickw4.com/default.asp?section=community&link=http://nnet-server.com/server/app/forum/default.asp?site=1

Jim Lawes ● 7466d4 Comments ● 7461d

David Blunkett: Home Secretary: a top job screwed up?

The Home Secretary's job ought to be untaken without any kind of character or personal life blemishes..if that is ever possible.Home Secretary's  are top officials!!I mean, isn't he in charge of the Prison Sevice, The Police etc etc.I can just about cope with seeing Tony Blair wandering around Downing Street in jeans, following Michael Foot's historical attendance on Remembrance Day some years ago in a duffle coat...but Home Secretary's should "CORRECT" and not susceptible to any foolhardy indulgencies. What do you think? Just await the enquiry's report?

Jim Lawes ● 7476d61 Comments ● 7461d

Letter to Phil Andrews and his party

PhilI understand from  email's regards the Area Planning meeting that a male member of your party was opposed to the Brentford Football Club  scheme, outright.   Could you please expalin on this forum why yourself or Fred Muston are so opposed Brentford Football club's survival plan. I hope you understand that you and your fellow Councillors may have signed the clubs death warrent at Griffin Park.If my information is wrong I will apoligise and by you a beer when I'am over.

Neil Chippendale ● 7461d4 Comments ● 7461d

Christmas Comedy Thursday 23rd December

Please have a look at this month's acts... Tickets cost £8 / £6 with concessions. Tables can be reserved by emailing info@comedydock.com or calling Robbie on 0208 758 2517. Act One - Dylan In 2002 Dylan won the Wilkinson Sword Cutting Edge of Comedy Award at the Edinburgh Festival and also scooped the runner-up award in the BBC New Comedy Award Final, managing to beat off all but one of 2,500 entries. Act Two - Steve Hall Runner up in the BBC New Comedy Awards 2003 and Daily Telegraph open mic finalist in 2002 Steve is back, fresh from his second successful year at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival. He's not the first comic to go for a wryly sarcastic, slightly supercilious approach - think of the proudly college-educated humour of Stewart Lee. Headline - Glenn Wool Glenn began his comedy career eight years ago in his home town of Vancouver. He moved to London four years ago and quickly became one of the rising stars of the London comedy circuit. His first venture as a solo artist, his one hour show Bizarre Cocktail, won him critical acclaim and has enabled Glenn to travel the world showcasing his talents: a favourite of The Edinburgh, The Kilkenny, The Melbourne, The South African and the Laugh Festival in New Zealand. "You have to go and see Glenn Wool" The Guardian " Well worth an hour of your time" The Independent " Tipped for greatness" The Telegraph "Lethally funny" Metro

Robbie Greig Smith ● 7462d2 Comments ● 7461d

Is this the best thread yet?

As they say nowadays, you must pop over and check out........http://www.chiswickw4.com/default.asp?section=community&app=forum/ShowMessage.asp?ID=96539&site=1

David Johnson ● 7462d3 Comments ● 7462d

Britain's largest books forum launches in West London

I live just down the road in Chiswick, and this week launched the largest books forum in the UK from my home, and the only one that is totally independent. It is called Book Group Online, and can be found by following this link: www.bookgrouponline.com. This forum has been constructed on the principle that it’s impossible to read a book and not have an opinion about it. Book Group Online is a place to come and discuss books to your heart’s content: to share your views and argue with those whose views differ from your own. We also want this to be a place to come when you’re wondering what to read next, and looking for recommendations. Amazingly, this is the first independent books forum to be launched in the UK, covering all the subjects you would find in any decent bookshop. There has never been a books forum covering as wide a range of subjects as Book Group Online, including different fiction genres, every non-fiction category you can think of, and a special section covering children’s books. Even on its first day, it is the largest of its kind.This is a brand new website, and I thought my fellow Chiswick residents should be among the very first people to know about it. To be honest, we’re just finishing off creating it now. You could look on it as like going on holiday to the Costa Brava and finding that the building is being completed around you – with the difference being that everything works, and that you have a say in how it’s constructed. Because ultimately, it is the first users of this site who will set the tone for future users.So please register and start posting! Click on www.bookgrouponline.com and it will take you to an opening page with simple instructions on how to register. All you have to do is choose a user name and a secret password. There is plenty of information on the forum on how to use the site.The other thing you can do is not keep the existence of Book Group Online to yourself. Spread the word! There are bound to be people you know who would enjoy this site, so we ask you please to pass on the address, email the link, whatever you can do to let others know about it. And then they too can spread the word! The more people who join and join in, the better this site will become. There’s not much point in being a pioneer if there’s nobody following you.If you haven’t finished, or even started, your Christmas shopping yet, our website contains an innovative way to do all your online purchasing at once. The site contains Top 50 charts for Fiction paperbacks and hardbacks, and Top 50 charts  for Non-Fiction paperbacks and hardbacks, plus Top 20 charts for children’s paperbacks and hardbacks. Each book has its own individual thread in chart order – go into it and you will see a description of the book, and a link that will take you straight to the correct Amazon page for that book. Thank you for your time!

Bill Matthews ● 7466d10 Comments ● 7462d

Vet recommendation for a Canary - Urgent!

I need a vet who knows about canaries!  Any recommendations?

Sarah Felstead ● 7464d12 Comments ● 7462d

Save St George's Church

Ladies and Gents:Former St George's Church (current Music Museum, just closed) 367 High Street Brentford, opposite Watermans Park.The above building is earmarked for demolition and goes before the council Sustainable Development Committee (SDC) this coming Tuesday 14th December 7:30 pm.I would urge you all to join in and object to any demolition order in the strongest terms and seek alternative uses for the church. Despite popular belief the church is NOT owned by Barratt but will transfer to them on successful planning application.This council has a somewhat poor reputation for saving heritage items but more importantly this piece of history is intended to go under the hammer for only 19 apartments - like Brentford needs another 19 apartments with all the planning and construction going on.Please either write to the SDC or attend in person. Thank you.

Stephen Browne ● 7469d28 Comments ● 7463d

The Bees v. Hinckley

Well, how about that game last night?I'm tempted to hop on a plane for the Luton match!!!!!!!Congratulations to the team and all concerned.

Ann S. Allridge ● 7463d1 Comments ● 7463d

Are we being taken for mugs?

I read a very interesting article in this weeks Brentford Chiswick and Isleworth Times about the attendance records of some our local Councillors written by our own Sally Henfield.It seems that two of the very worse offenders for actually bothering to attend meetings are the Syon Cllr Corinna Smart who has only attended 57% of her meetings but also claims an extra five thousand two hundred and fifty pounds for her extra responsibilities on top of the nine thousand two hundred and fifty two pounds which is paid out to each of our Cllrs regardless of how many meetings they can be bothered to attend.The other local Cllr is our old friend Patrick Edwards who is supposed to represent the people of Brentford but only managed to attend just 12 out the 22 meetings he was expected to.He also only sent his apologies 60% of the time.Cllr Edwards explained this as "I don't think that is bad form and I think readers will understand that council work cannot be limited to attending meetings. I prefer to meet the constituents. It is much more important to be out and about than sat bored in a committee room."and also "The constituents shouldn't be worried about my ambition or rigour - I prioritise face to face meetings with residents rather than the bureaucratic rigidity of a council meeting."Our non smiling Mayor has also attended just 57% of the meetings he was expected to and the leader of Conservatives on the Council Cllr Peter Thompson who represents Turnham Green only attended 54% of meetings he was supposed to attend.He also claims the extra five thousand two and hundred pounds!For the full story,please visit the excellent website http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/newsbct/display.var.553603.0.money_for_nothing_sham.php

Paul Fisher ● 7466d14 Comments ● 7464d

Wot! no lights?

Does anyone know why Scrooge is alive and well and residing in Hounslow. There aren't any Christmas lights in the High St. and no trees outside the Treaty Centre like there usually are. Some daft idiots left the remnants of the lights of several years ago in the trees in the High St, - but of anything this year? not a sign. Please someone tell me this isn't a manifestation of political correctness, or have the Council just cancelled Christmas?

Vanessa Smith ● 7476d25 Comments ● 7465d

Are there any ghosts in the Borough ?

Some 15 years ago a Manager at the Bultrode Pub..in Lampton Road Hounslow...near Hounslow Central Station...told me that a ghost lived on the first floor! ...often dormant..but has been know to make an appearance.Any other local creepy stories??

Jim Lawes ● 7470d19 Comments ● 7466d

Hiring a trio of musicians.

I'd like to hire a trio of musicians and I'd appreciate info on where to go to make a booking. Live background music is required for a reception - keyboard, guitarist and violin(or similar), evening for 3 hours, middle of the road popular music, venue in Ealing on a Saturday or Sunday in mid-February. I've no experience of hiring musicians - could someone give me guidance and information please and where to start my search? Perhaps there's such a trio in Brentford?? Thanks. ;-o

Gerry Tan ● 7469d7 Comments ● 7466d

Identity Cards - do we need them?

I'm an "UNDECIDED" on this question. Should we accept them or should we fight against having them? Any views on the subject please?:-o

Gerry Tan ● 7483d28 Comments ● 7466d

VYBORG shivers !!        http://www.vbg.ru/

As Ann reported the other day, snow has arrived in Vyborg.It starts getting dark at 4pm their time..(1.30pm Brentford time).Its so mild in UK..I thought it was going to be tough!

Jim Lawes ● 7481d9 Comments ● 7466d

I'm a LIAR! - Are you?

Much as it embarasses me to confess this, the truth is that I am a liar. But then so are you, and you, and you and you!Here is a list of some of the lies I've told and porkies that have been told to me over the years:"Well, it just came away in my hands, honest!""Oh you MUST come to dinner some day soon.""No honest, its in the post.""You look lovely tonight.""No no no, its just what I've ALWAYS wanted.""Oh yes darling, it was GREAT for me.""Don't worry dear, its good for the carpet."It was SO nice to see you again."Please add your lies to this list, if you want to that is!  ;-)

Gerry Tan ● 7468d9 Comments ● 7466d

"Hammersmith and Hounslow Tramways" Robt.J.Harley

Jim,You commented on this book recently, so I ordered a copy from Transport Diversions on 5th December:  my copy arrived today -  10th December!How's that for prompt delivery?  Amazon Books eat your heart out..Amazon Books take weeks; I am still awaiting one ordered in August, but to date  only loads of apologies and emails.   They have so far not delivered a book to me in earlier than eight weeks!

Ann S. Allridge ● 7468d2 Comments ● 7467d

Illegal Rave in Brentford all weekend?

Was anybody else effected by what I can only assume was an illegal rave all weekend in Brentford. I have been told by neighbours that it was held in a church/building that is empty and currently awaiting re-development. The music/base continued for two days and was incredibly annoying/disturbing. I phoned the police over the weekend who advised me to contact Hounslow Environmental services this morning who are looking into it as apparently the police have no power over such issues! Does anyone know anymore about this and what can be done as it will make living in Brentford miserable!

Clare Lidington ● 7472d12 Comments ● 7468d

Black tie dinner and dance

I have to attend a dinner and dance next Wednesday which is i have been told a black tie event.I am hoping that this does not mean i have to wear a tuxedo or similar as my wardrobe is more use to holding football shirts etc.Can one of our more discerning posters please throw some light on this please?

Paul Fisher ● 7475d15 Comments ● 7468d

The non-smiling Mayor of the London Borough of Hounslow

Three more pictures of the Mayor appear in this todays Brentford Chiswick and Isleworth Times.A stern, non smiling face appears in all three.Who elects or selects the Mayor each year?

Jim Lawes ● 7482d7 Comments ● 7468d

Cane chair repairs?

Please can anyone recommend a place in Brentford or Ealing where we could get our old cane armchairs collected and repaired? Had these old armchairs for yonks but over the years the grandchildren have gradually picked the cane bindings and they're getting a bit loose. :-(

Gerry Tan ● 7471d5 Comments ● 7468d

A happy Christmas to one and all

Hope you all have a great Christmas, see you all in March.

Neil Chippendale ● 7470d9 Comments ● 7469d

Christmas Trees

Being new to the area, where is the best place to get a natural Christmas tree.  I'm living up by Gunnersbury Park so I'm looking around the surrounding areas.....Thanks

Matt Beesley ● 7470d4 Comments ● 7469d

Coalyards near Kew Steam Museum

Is anyone old enough (like me) to remember the magnificent Clydesdales that pulled the coal carts back in the 1940s?During the 1947 blizzard, we had to collect our own coal from the yard (Dad made a sleigh, and my sister and I went with him for the coal).  For the first time ever, we were able to go into the stables to see the Clydesdales up close - towering like Mnt. Everests over their half-doors! They were housebound because of the snow. Ordering coal by phone today is no comparison to those few perishing weeks in the winter of '47, when we would make our exciting weekly forays over to Kew.

Ann S. Allridge ● 7473d30 Comments ● 7469d

The News of the World, Gordon Brown and short-sight

Report today that the Chancellor is going to "crack-down" on "shirking" civil servants because of the high levels of sickness. Never mind that they are actually less than British Airways a private company, never mind that a survey last week showed that high sickness levels are linked to low staff morale and lack of confidence in higher management. Guess where the lowest morale and the biggest lack of confidence were to be found? In the civil service, no surprise there then. What gets my goat is that no-one seems the slightest bit interested in asking WHY, well, perhaps Gordon would like to hear his job was being dumped via T.V., perhaps he would like to undergo the farcical appraisal system imposed upon the staff, perhaps he'd like to have wages so low he'd qualify for his precious tax credits, then when he's asked himself that perhaps he'd then reflect upon whether or not he'd put his health before his crap employer. No-one condones people taking the mickey and if people are then that is a matter to be taken up with the individual by their line manager, but to tar everyone with the same brush is insulting and out of order.

Vanessa Smith ● 7473d8 Comments ● 7469d

Royal mail

Is anyone else having problems with post deliveries.  Can the postmen read ?  They seem to be able to get the number of the door right, but not the street. Yesterday we had two letters for the right number - wrong street.

Pat Kingham ● 7478d29 Comments ● 7470d

ICSF Meeting tonight 06/12/04

We have a varied agenda for tonights meeting which i hope many of you can attend.The meeting starts at 7.30pm at the Public Hall on South St Isleworth.ISLEWORTH COMMUNITY SAFETY FORUM MEETING AGENDA 06TH DECEMBER 20041,  Chairmans intro.welcomes,apologies for absences.2,  Attendance list and circulation list (please add contact details)3,Minutes from last meeting (20th September 2004)4,Matters arising 5,Treasures report6,Chairmans report7,Secretarys report8, Old Isleworth calming plan latest9,West Middlesex carpark and revision of Park Rd parking10,The development of a footpath above the mill basin11,CCTV cameras update.12,Police issues relating to thefts,burglary etc.13.A.O.B14, confirmation of next meeting.Please note we have a dedicated email address for any correspondence which is icsf2004@yahoo.com and a website you can find at http://icsf.biz

Paul Fisher ● 7472d2 Comments ● 7470d

Please lend your support

Before this link gets lost on another thread,please have a look and if you agree then please join the online petition.http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/Ridgeways_boatyard

Paul Fisher ● 7477d5 Comments ● 7471d

Burglaries - Lionel Rd North, Carville Crescent & Chestnut Ave

There have been a few recent burglaries as well as attempted burglaries around Lionel Road North, Carville Crescent & Chestnut Ave The suspects have either smashed the glass in rear windows or tried to force them open, or broken into a garage and stolen a bicycle We advise you to be vigilant and report anything suspicious or any unusual activity to policeFor advice on improving home security, please contact our Crime Prevention Office on 8247 6423

Brentford Police ● 7471d2 Comments ● 7471d

Car club in Brentford/Ealing?

Is there a shared car club in Brentford? If there is, I'd like to know how well it works..Listened to a programme about car clubs on BBC Radio5Live this morning and I think the idea is an excellent one. I use my car only occasionally(1000 miles a year) and rely mainly on minicabs and my bicycle for transport and the wonderful London busses, of course), so a shared car on an internet booked basis would be ideal for my family. Anyone know if there's a car club in Ealing? I wonder if our Council might be interested? Does anyone have experience of car clubs - the pros and cons of their workings - and costs please?

Gerry Tan ● 7471d0 Comments ● 7471d

Carol services

Does anybody know when there will be carol services in the Brentford, Ealing or Chiswick area churches?Thank you!

Sarah Davies ● 7471d1 Comments ● 7471d

What's a nice happy Christmas?

I'd like to hear your views about what makes for a nice happy Christmas. I'm still getting a little warm glow remembering a question someone posted on the ChiswickW4 forum a few weeks back. A lady asked if there was a local charity where she could help out on Christmas day as she was going to be alone this year and wanted something useful to do. I thought that was nice. ;-)

Gerry Tan ● 7472d5 Comments ● 7471d

Farmers market again

Do the un-official un-elected members of the Brentford and (Isleworth) have plans to meet for a shandy after the next farmers market in a designated watering hole at a pre-determined time?

Paul Fisher ● 7477d20 Comments ● 7471d

Brentford High St Redevelopment

Can anyone tell me what happened to the proposals for redeveloping the south side of Brentford High St? We were going to get another supermarket and perhaps a cinema (can't recall whether this idea was dropped). The local paper was full of plans a couple of years ago. Can't say I've kept up since.

Karen Adams ● 7843d46 Comments ● 7472d

Anyone diabetic? How are you doing? Shall we start a thread?

A jar of lemon tea contains....83% sugar!!Those "healthy cereals" from Kelloggs contain......25%-35% sugar!Some Cooking Oils contain 100% fat!Does anyone belong to a Diabetic Club?  or go to information gathering sessions?

Jim Lawes ● 7473d1 Comments ● 7473d

Canalside History of Brentford

Kew Steam Museum opened an audio-visual exhibition on the changes in Brentford's waterside last night. It will run from today until February 28th.Maps from the 16th Century on, paintings, illustrations and old photos plus taperecorded reminiscences, all chart our changing scene.Go and have a look!

Nigel Moore ● 7475d2 Comments ● 7473d

hand car wah

being the mother of a three year old who loves to get whatever hes eating right into the seats and on the floor, my car always needs cleaning. ive tried nearly everyone of these places in our local area i have never happy with the result. i fell no sooner had i got out it was finished and was being asked for the money. living in a flat its impossible to do it myself (ok i am lazy!). today i tried the new one behind nat west bank in brentford high street. they spent about 45 minutes and cleaned every bit of my car. even getting all the stains out of seats. they have a system whereas 2nd visit is half price and 3rd visit is free. that in itself is good deal but they were so friendly and helpful. my car is the cleanest its ever been. will never go anywhere elso now - well worth a visit.

M Dowling ● 7476d12 Comments ● 7474d

music/dance/gym classes for under 5's

i am struggling with ideas to keep my son busy until he starts nursery school next sept. looking for group activites. any info about music session at watermans or gym class at leisure centre. any personal recomendations welcome of places we can go and have a look at.

M Dowling ● 7476d1 Comments ● 7476d

Sponsored walk to raise money for local Church

I was wondering if I might use this forum to promote an activity which I would like to think is for a good cause.During the last week in September I will be attempting a one-man sponsored walk from my local Church (Isleworth Congregational) to Abingdon in Oxfordshire, taking the long (i.e. river) route.  I am advised it is about 85 miles in total.  I did this route once before and it took me around 27 hours, but I was seventeen then and I'm...well...a little more than seventeen now.The purpose of the walk is to raise money towards the installation of access and washroom facilities for the disabled at the Church.  Being an old building, there are feasibility issues which make this installation a particularly complex and difficult task.If anybody reading this forum feels inspired to help a local Church, or would like to do something for people with disabilities, or simply has too much money and is looking for an excuse to give some away, then he/she should feel free to call me on 020 8891 6359 (answerphone) or at phil@isleworth.org giving contact details and the amount that he/she would like to contribute - either per mile or as a fixed total.  Any contributions, no matter how small, will be very gratefully received.Thank you.

Phil Andrews ● 7570d27 Comments ● 7476d

Rats in Brentford

Has anyone else encountered the plague of rats in Brentford or is it just me they appear to be following?  If I have a phobia at all its rats!  I really am terrified of them and for the last few years I know Brentford has had a problem but they have never been so visible until recently.  A while ago whilst attending the Brentford Health Centre as I parked my car I watched 2 well fed rats slink along the outside of the building.  That was bad enough.A few months back early one morning a rat practically ran over my foot at Albany Parade.However the other night in the safety of my first floor flat, I happened to look out the window which is opposite a meat processing factory and I noticed in the car park what I first thought was a cat (it was huge) then I realised it was in fact a rat.  This was joined by another huge rat then within minutes the car park was awash with them.  It was hard trying to count them because they were scampering in and out of pallets and a skip but at one point I did manage to count 8.  I phoned pest control at the civic centre and got an answerphone telling me to leave a message which I did, name, address and phone number.  They did not return my call.  I called again the next day and they said they didn't know which Layton Road I meant (this didn't explain why they had not returned my call) however I am now obsessed with checking the car park and sure enough round about 5.30 the rats appear.  Layton Road must be the worst road in Brentford it has the lot, derelict buildings, litter and rubbish, the railway line, foxes and now rats.  I am so pleased I moved here (not).

Bernadette Paul ● 7547d40 Comments ● 7476d

Current news item: Lady Diana tapes:  an Isleworth connection.

Just for information purposes...you might be interested to know that the disputed tape recordings being aired in the USA have a link with Isleworth.Mr Settelen, Lady Diane's voice coach lives/lived in Osterley and apparently he made and owns the recordings.His family were beset with a tradegy some years ago..and the website named below is a touching family dedication to their daughter.http://www.elliesettelen.net/index.htmo

Jim Lawes ● 7477d10 Comments ● 7477d

Residents"You are being shortchanged in your Policing" says local Police Chief

At the Civic Centre tonight..at the Borough Community Police Consultative Group meeting....it was announced that Chief Superintendent Jeff Harris,Hounslow's Police chief will be moving to a new post outside thr Borough in January.The meeting had just started when the announcement was made...and the Chairman praised Jeff for his outstanding service...both on the Committee...and in the Community. Jeff was given a standing ovation.He certainly has come over as a very personable and communicative person and his departure will be a great loss. No new appointment has yet been made.At the end of the meeting...when Jeff was summarising his thoughts on the Hounslow Policing..I could hardly believe my ears...and started to scribble frantically ..as he said that "you (Hounslow's boroughwide citizens) have been shortchanged in your policing.""We should have 495 officers to fulfill our line up..and sometimes we have been up to 9% down"  (40?) "At the moment we have 481..We are below staff level"  " We are a very undersatffed Borough""Too often we lose staff so that they can cover duties outside the Borough...sometimes 14 Borough Officers are missing in this way."Some local Boroughs in London are OVERSTAFFED with Police..and yet sometime their numbers are not depleted in the same way for external duties.Jeff said...(this our Hounslow Police Chief)..."I have banged heads...and made noise..to higher authority..but without success"When my officers have to leave the Borough for these other duties ..it means that there are less officers available for work in Hounslow"  "I have over £200,000 of dosh allocated for Police Pay...but I cannot get staff allocated to me (I think that what he said)Jeff...really cracking on with wizzo lines...said that WE ALL "should be challenging our MP's (cough cough)...our Councillors...(the MPA?)and voice his and our concern"  A letter to the Commissioner of Police was also suggested.Its 11.30..I need to go out for an hour..there's lots more to report.PS No ChiswickW4.com members attended..except me and Sally Henfield  writing (properly) from BC&I Times....and all those seats and sandwiches had been laid on!!!!

Jim Lawes ● 7492d21 Comments ● 7477d

Public services

In your opinion what is good or bad about public services? What do you get for your taxes? What do you want?

Gareth Evans ● 7482d7 Comments ● 7477d

What were the policital " boundary changes"?

The front page article about the new LibDem candidate for Brentford and Isleworth (& Chiswick) constituency includes the following statement."Ann Keen currently holds the seat with a majority of over 10,000 but boundary changes have removed some wards from the constituency that were traditionally Labour strongholds."Which wards.."Labour strongholds"... are no longer in the constituency? How many wards currently in the constituency?

Jim Lawes ● 7478d6 Comments ● 7478d

shortest Thread

Been out of Radio Range , anyone know who won the Rugby ,League and Union.

Michael D Giddings ● 7481d15 Comments ● 7478d

Hairdressers - formerly "Ideas for Brentford Lock"

As it was really posted in the wrong place initially my partner has asked me to post this question again.......Thanks."Hi, apologies in that this is not a reference to Class A3 planning permission, but when "the boss" saw that Liz had commented that, "As for shops, well most of us have to go elsewhere! There are no clothes shops at all."  she asked me to post a question on her behalf.  Can anybody suggest a good lady's hairdresser in the area?"

David Johnson ● 7481d24 Comments ● 7478d

A bad day for freedom and foxes...

Yes, I think foxes are cute too and I don't particularly want to go on a hunt either,but I respect the rights of others who do. It's ironic that nanny wants to ban the least efficient way of culling foxes(most get away)on the grounds of animal welfare and cruelty.That,it seems to me, is a complete nonsense when you consider what a miserable life pigs,chickens and cows have.Many of them are kept in nightmare conditions only to face a terrifying and miserable death. A fox,in relation, has a wonderful life.The chase, granted , must be terrifying for it and if it is fit and strong ,it will get away.This is simply the Dennis Skinners of the world having a go at the aristocracy,coupled with a few Jeremy and Jemimahs from Islington trying to 'modernise'everything.

Keith Iddon ● 7485d24 Comments ● 7478d

Brentford Lock - YOUR IDEAS & THOUGHTS PLEASE!

Having recently joined purely from the angle of market research on a new business I wish to bring to Brentford Lock, I would like to say how useful and resourceful this website is and how interesting the forum threads are.Getting to the chase, I am one of the few independents who have secured retail space at Brentford Lock , and in particular a unit with A3 (restaurant) planning permission in the Heron View retail units. I am in the process of researching the needs of not only the residents of Brentford Lock, but also residents of Brentford at large. Please do also speak up if any of you are residents of Brentford Lock itself.What I would like to understand is what you feel would work well and what you feel would not work well in that area, considering its location, what already is available in Brentford, target market and what you feel Brentford lacks that would benefit the residents at large.At present I cannot be more detailed in what I wish to bring to the Lock, purely from the angle of current lease negotiations with the Landlord, so sorry for that, but do bare in mind that my unit comes with A3 (restaurant) permission.My unit is the smaller of the 3 that come with A3 permission, excluding the public house on the corner, so I want to use the space ideally. 1500 sq ft is not overly large to put togther a new restuarant concept, considering the amount of space that will be dedicated to back of house, toilets, kitchen, prep, ofiice etc and then get enough covers in to make it viable.If you wish to ask more questions about the development, and if I can be forthcoming, I will be only too pleased.Kind regardsBob

Bob Chadda ● 7485d16 Comments ● 7478d

TW8 and W4 desperately  slow this afternoon - what's up?

Is it my computer, or is summat up with the two sites?I've been on to the internet today for other subjects without trouble, but logging on to our two sites is worse than drawing teeth...

Ann S. Allridge ● 7479d7 Comments ● 7478d

Salmon swimming by Brentford?

Is it true that salmon have been recorded swimming up the Thames? Therefore, might it be possible to fish for salmon off Ferry Quays or from the hard standing near the London Apprentice? Does anyone know, or is this an urban myth being spread by the London Tourist Board?Somewhere I heard that salmon and other exotic fish have been recently recorded in the Thames. If so, how the heck do they accurately substantiate these happenings?  ;-o

Gerry Tan ● 7480d6 Comments ● 7478d

And now for something nice!

Travelling home on the crowded underground yesterday, I was offered a seat by a kind young man. Now wasn't that nice? He was an American bussinessman going home to New York via Heathrow and we got to talking about Britain and the British. He said, amongst other things, that he like the Brits so much because we could laugh at ourselves just like New Yorkers. I agreed with him that humour was a most important thing anyone could have. He made my day and we parted friends, especially as he kept calling me SIR!! ;-))

Gerry Tan ● 7479d5 Comments ● 7478d